Thank you. It's refreshing to watch an actual Lead Acid battery video without trying to sell me on Lithium! I'm sure your video is suppressed considering how KZread's search engine is.... Sorry frustration releasing. lol. Thanks again!

@JasonAndrade427

Жыл бұрын

If I built a new system and had a pile of money I would build a monster bank with telcom Agm batteries, these have been some of the best systems I've built

@rongray4118

6 ай бұрын

@@JasonAndrade427 Jason - I want to know more because we are attempting to set up a 48v Absolyte system in Northern Nevada. Do you have another video on you set up? Thank you!

Greetings from off grid Oregon,I think Roy is right. I have a 24 volt system and my absorb voltage is @ 30 volts for 3 hours. My battery bank only has eight L-16 batteries and my ending current is 6 amps. I use more water this way but sulfation is not an issue so far. I also do not let the batteries get below 88% SOC. I burn more diesel this way (27 gallons last year) but I hope to get 12 years out of my batteries. I have a friend who has been off grid for 40 years and he said I could get 18 years from them doing it this way. That's how long his first set lasted. He has the 5000 series Rolls now. Thanks for the video and I just subscribes too. Not trying to give advice when I should be learning from you. I just wanted to share my thoughts on what I have found.

Very nice setups on both sides. You make it look so easy. It is a lot of thought, preparation, work and dedication. Randall Cammack

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

+Randall C thank you I appreciate your comment and that you can see the extra thought I put into my projects

This was a great video, Jason. Keep doing more like this, sir.

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

aaron davies thanks for watching

Another awesome video again brother. Thanks for sharing and God bless.

Excellent video as usual Jason, love the dual system setup. The surge capacity on those XW 6048s .. OH MY LORD!! The system control panel is indeed a pain in the ass, but their Combox/cloud reporting site is a saving grace.

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

ejemm thanks!! I can't wait to get it up and running I was using the table saw last night with the generator and it will be so awesome to just have to flip a switch and run off solar

You are a great teacher of truth. Maybe for your next up-grade toward 480 volts 3 phase for larger shop. Batteries from electric forklift for extra heavy-duty DC storage power.

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

Stan McBeth hey there !! The next system will be the final one on this property and will be a true three phase system. If I wasn't so limited on room I would make the new one three phase but I can't fit any more under the house and am saving that for the new shop

Lithium is the way to go

Very informative! Always enjoy watching what others are doing. I got some advice for my L16 battery spacing. Everyone is saying 1" separation...gonna try to do the best I can. Yours look about the same as mine right now.

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

Hey Chris thanks for watching, pretty excited that it looks like I might be getting to work directly with a battery manufacturer to use there new 2 volt AGM on my system!!

@ChrisDIYerOklahoma

7 жыл бұрын

Oh wow...2v AGM? Now we're talkin'. Congrats on that!

Get the conext com box forget the SCP control panel, The XW inverters pack a tone of starting power especially if you parallel them together..

4 years is quite short, 8 is sort off minimum in the banks we sell and install...(lead acid that is), Y have several customers still using the 10 year battery's (getting adged now.))

You should also get an internal resistance meter to keep track of battery health. :) It's helpful to know what cells or batteries are beginning to go out and are not holding up well. Also how often do you need to water your batteries? And how much % of the battery capacity do you use on average throughout the year (I know it might vary greatly by season, but I'm curious).

thanks for sharing 👍

Brother that sucks! Thanks tho for bring us with you. One thing have you looked into buying a refractometer? I love mine.

Thanks for posting this video! What brand of battery are you using and why did you choose it? Thanks. :)

Good information

Very impressive. Subscribed!

So do you service your batteries, why are others lasting over ten years?

Thanks for your video. Perhaps a quick question? With 2 SW5548 inverters and 2 MX80 charge controller”s, would a mate 3 be of any use? And what BMS are you using on the 8 x 6 volt strings? Thanks for your help.

@JasonAndrade427

3 жыл бұрын

the benefit to the mate3 would be pushing the data to the cloud, if you add a flexnet and a shunt you can then also access the logging feature to better evaluate the health and constant SOC of your system

At 1:30 you are talking about the single cell that causes the entire bank to fail - should we be utilizing a BMS to see output/input?

@JasonAndrade427

6 ай бұрын

Hi Ron, you know I am not sure of any BMS for lead acid batteries. Unfortunately with lead acid batteries they really just need to be monitored with a hydrometer to see the specific gravity of all the cells on a pretty consistent basis. For a while DEKA was trying to release a sealed lead acid battery that had a BMS and I was pretty excited about it but lithium was just breaking through and I think it killed it. I will say that my first off grid system I built had a pretty monster seals lead acid bank (telecom) style and it lasted 15 years

@rongray4118

6 ай бұрын

@@JasonAndrade427 I am hoping we can recover a few year s or more from these. The Absolyte that we picked up are AGM (Glass Mat - sealed) so testing is not possible with a hydrometer. Thanks for you feedback - subscribed!

Jason how long have you worked w/Outback Power, and do you have access to refurb inverters, c.controllers, batteries and other Off-grid products for your testing? Thanks,

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

Mi Mulli about 10 years and I somewhat have access if I really beg for them!!

jason,, what is the input voltage on your charge controller at night when they are at rest

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

Garfield Oliver hmmm I will take a look tonight what are you thinking?

@bimmers323ci

7 жыл бұрын

there is input voltage on my charge controller at night at about 15v when at rest

Off grid in Tombstone, Az here. I have a question regarding replacing batteries. I’ve only lived off grid for 3 years now and we have a 16 count lead/acid battery bank. When we first moved in, we were told by an electrician that when one battery goes bad you have to replace the one next to it also. Is this true? If so which one do you replace the one on the right or left and how do you know?

@JasonAndrade427

Жыл бұрын

I'm not sure that's actually true or not, what happens when a battery goes bad is a cell dies or shorts. This means the rest of the batteries have to absorb the rest of the voltage as it usually isn't caught until to late. The extra voltage then will typically take out the next weekday cell, when I have replaced banks the bad batteries we're typically random

How did it go with your 1 battery replacement ? I have the same case but Trojan say one should not change only one battery !!

@JasonAndrade427

3 жыл бұрын

they lasted another 4-5 months and then I started losing other cells, i replaced this bank with another that worked well until i received some lithium from simpliphi

my findings are those hydrameter are in accurate compared to a refractometer. what voltage are you running on your absorb setting

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

Hey Roy! I am going to get one next week from Wholesale Solar and give it a try

@royamberg9177

7 жыл бұрын

What voltage is your absorb setting. And for how long. I did a bunch of testing on this. There's a lot more to this then most people think. The float voltage is another subject also

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

Roy Amberg I am bulking at58.8 for 2-2.5 hours and end of Amps is at 16.8

@royamberg9177

7 жыл бұрын

Looks like 2 strings of batteries so if we devide 16.8 by 2 it's 8.4 amps per string. That should get down to about 2 or slightly less. Your at 58.8 volts decide that by 4 for thinking purpose it's 14.7 my findings that's way to low. Around 15 is more realistic and if your useing your batteries at all 3 to 3-1/2 hours be more like it. A refractometer will tell more but the current at the end of the absorb cycle should end up below 2 amps per string. As the battery resistance goes way up when its fully charged

I know this is an old post but what was the age of your battery when you added the new replacement. I have a four year old bank and one cell died in one of the battery so its throwing off all the others in series.. is it still possible for me to add a new one or is the bank too old? Appreciate your input.

@JasonAndrade427

3 жыл бұрын

they were only 4 or so years old, I did not properly charge these though as I needed more solar but funds were tough as this place took so much $$ to make it livable in the beginning, in your situation and sorry this is so late, you could possibly add one but it would take a lot of the load because have less resistance then the others and likely you will see other cells start to also fail like dominos from my experience

@carlsonhenry

3 жыл бұрын

@@JasonAndrade427 ok thanks.. I already upgraded to lithium since then. Thanks for the reply though.

@JasonAndrade427

3 жыл бұрын

@@carlsonhenry what did you go with?

@carlsonhenry

3 жыл бұрын

@@JasonAndrade427 batteryhookup.com/products/samsung-8s?variant=35196071870626 testing those for now. Have 20 of them along with the old megavolt lead acid bank I had.

nice

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jeff

Batteries do not belong in parallel continuously.

I am an electrician in Virginia. Nice job . Just curious , how much money do you have invested in your electrical system . Thanks, Michael M

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

Michael McCracken hey thanks for the good review! I would rough guess 25 kw for both systems with about 13kw of pv. I would say this is way below normal as I received some amazing deals and trades along the 4 years I have been working on this system. I would say to replicate it with new material at this level would be around $75k. Not many people need dual off grid systems though, trying to do all the fabrication and projects off the grid and using sun power over a propane generator has added some extra expense. I also have designed in some other future additions that added a little extra cost also. Thanks for watching

@eyeswideshut2800

4 жыл бұрын

That's crazy, why so much when you will not recoup cost for how long?

@JasonAndrade427

4 жыл бұрын

Being completely off the grid it pays for itself immediately, I’ve been through fires and was the only one who had power 🤷‍♂️also I’m kinda an independent guy so it works

Is it worth the effort and money?

@JasonAndrade427

4 жыл бұрын

Jimmy, Well for me yes, since I live off the grid I didn’t have a choice and ultimately I enjoy being disconnected from the electrical grid. As for grid tie I have customers that paid for their system in five years and have had the last couple of years with 70-100%free energy.

This is great if money is no object......

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

This wasn't really that expensive?? Theses are about the cheapest batteries available. If you mean the system itself that was way more of my time than money, I'm not a sit on the couch and watch sports kinda guy so it's ok

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

This wasn't really that expensive?? Theses are about the cheapest batteries available. If you mean the system itself that was way more of my time than money, I'm not a sit on the couch and watch sports kinda guy so it's ok

Maybe I subscribed too soon... I see you went to lithium 2 years after this video. That sucks.

lead acid is so problematic that's why I went to lithium the cost is much higher but worth it..

@6969smurfy

7 жыл бұрын

yea about 7 to 10 time more....

dude, your not flushing your hydrometer between readings! Probably wont make a difference on that rear cell reading, but if you want to be accurate...

@windsine

7 жыл бұрын

nice video though!! :-)

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

windsine I really never thought about that being that you empty it, you think the residual will cause that much difference?

@windsine

7 жыл бұрын

yes it causes inaccurate readings. Its not so much that you rinse with distilled water between readings, but you can fill and empty 2 or 3 times with the electrolyte (you want to read) before you actually read it (from that same cell). so you, in essence, are rinsing (diluting) with the electrolyte before you read that particular cell. repeat for each cell. When finished with all your readings, wash out hydrometer with distilled water. Roy Amberg is right, refractometer is nice but requires good light to read. If you are in basement, stick with a temp-compensated hydrometer :-)

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

windsine see this is why I followed your channel years ago I think it's time for the winsine channel to make a comeback

iff these cels are worn in 4 years you did something wrong, these cells will take you at least 10 to 15 years, if mantained, connected and threated right. (from experience...)

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

I was harder on them in the beginning of there life as I had to build this system incrementally and had to rely on the generator as a primary charging source, also I am have pretty good usage and could use more storage now as we are doing more building on the shop but I wanted to used them as long as possible before replacing them with a larger Amp hour bank. I have never seen a set of these L16 ever go that long off a daily used system seven years is the longest so far.

@MrBugsier5

7 жыл бұрын

thats understandable, if they are not really good obtained in the beginning , decay falls in fast, now even whit the shorted cel. thats just bad luck, so early, are you ot affraid off missmatching trowing in the new cell? tats hard for all te cels..but y agree you can use it a few more years now maby, at lesser capacity..

@JasonAndrade427

7 жыл бұрын

MrBugsier5 I think it will be hardest in the new cell as it should have less resistance? Everything I have read and learned about adding old batteries to new is that the new one degrades to the old ones. Interestingly I have done a fair amount of battery stuff but most people don't usually catch the first failed cell it usually wipes the bank out. So we are watching them closer weekly instead of monthly to see if we see any other weak ones, it looks like I might have picked up a battery manufacturer sponsor for my channel that might be sending me 24 of there new 2 volt agm L16 batteries for the new custom rack!!! CANT WAIT