The fact the designer moved from TM to Callaway for some makes this a simple elephant. What do you think? And do you think the average golfers would see the TM shape and think of the designer 1st or not. Let’s hear y’all.

@Johnlancaster

4 жыл бұрын

Fact is, the black Odyssey looks far nicer and high quality than the spider, which I use, but which looks like its been thrown together in a big factory in Taiwan. I will swap in a blink, so long as I can get on with the hard feel. I suspect many spider users will too ?

@PbD187

4 жыл бұрын

Also that guy owns several patents which I think the "spyder" was one of.

@keithfinley2939

4 жыл бұрын

I think the Indianapolis is a similar and better design but never caught the public imagination... so Cally said... we have to shut this Spider crazy down..

@simplycol4419

4 жыл бұрын

I had no idea who the designer was until this video. Saw the shape in the thumbnail when scrolling and thought it was a new TM model.

@adamfahey108

4 жыл бұрын

The most interesting point is do / is it common practice for club designers to own the rights for their designs as opposed the manufacturers. Ps would take the elephant in this case.

Why is quite simple, Mr Toulon has the patents and used a model that's his at his new employer to sell more putters... And I'm not Gunna lie... Now there's a spider but from odyssey, totally buying it, don't like the feel of TM putters but always liked how it swung

Laughed my ass off when you said "lot of people doing ytube videos now is there"... that was a good one

Fitted for the Odyssey Stroke Lab Black Ten S putter about a month ago. Love the putter! Easy to align, great distance control, feel off the face and balance! Putting strokes reduced approximately 15% or 6 strokes per round. Best golf club purchase I have made!

Im seriously considering a stoke labs myself, so thanks for the vid guys. Top class.

I recently purchased a Toulon Stroke Lab Portland and I absolutely love it. The Tuttle was going to be my original purchase but when looking at my buddy's after gaming it for 6 months it looked pretty hammered and cheap. These milled Toulons look, feel and perform exceptionally! Thanks for another great video guys. You are my favorite place to nerd out on techie golf gear!

@jasonamburgey7339

4 жыл бұрын

Oh and people need to get over this whole who copied who nonsense. If something works then it works and I want options to choose from when spending my hard earned money... also don't act like it hasn't always been this way. It's really just about brand loyalty more than anything which is a silly concept to begin with and only narrows your own ability to find and use the gear that truly works best for you.

Love odyssey putters, would definitely have a go with these. They look superb

The man who designed the Spider has the patent for it and now works for Callaway, it's Mr Toulon I think.

@Holf-dk5tv

4 жыл бұрын

John Donnelly I saw that video by Rick Shields too. 😊

@jjd9990

4 жыл бұрын

@@Holf-dk5tv really I only watch Mark 🤗

@rogue9464

4 жыл бұрын

I thought his name was Rife?

@jjd9990

4 жыл бұрын

@@rogue9464 he's the bloke at EVNROLL

@rogue9464

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Mr Donnelly, confused, I was. (Nothing new for me to be confused)

Moved to a stroke lab double wide when they first came out and have loved it. Defo interested in the two new shapes with the higher MOI. Merry Christmas me. ☺️☺️☺️☺️

I just bought the Stroke Lab 10 in 2-ball. Love it

I think it definitely shows the importance of practice with your putter, whatever that happens to be. Good clip.

I don’t love the Spider but would test the Odyssey because I think they make great putters. Keep up the great work boys, Scott

I ordered mine this morning!! The 10 that is.

TaylorMade, odyssey, ping, Callaway, Titleist personally I don’t care what logo and to a point what tech a club has on it what I do care about as a customer is that I have a big range to try and learn the feel ( whatever shape ) any club has in MY hands and it helps me enjoy my golf more. Surely that’s the point. Great video 👍

I’ll definitely be looking at Black Ten once it’s available. Always enjoyed Odyssey putters, and loving my current Tuttle. Hoping the firmness you all talk about isn’t too much of a shift from the soft feel of the current micro-hinge. Others have already tried to replicate the success of the Spider, including Titleist with the Futura 6M, but for me this is more of an evolution by the original designer. The fact he’s now designing for Callaway rather than TM is already a win for Callaway. From a golf consumer perspective, I’m happy that Callaway, and others, offer alternatives to products that prove successful elsewhere. More choice for me 👍🏽

I've loved my stroke lab 2 ball fang, wanted something newer. Love the look of the "elephant"! But never really got on with Taylormade putters. So the Stroke Lab Ten is a perfect change for me, sticking to a brand and feels that I know are good.

I'd like to give the Ten a go, I like the look of the bold line

Conversation had ! We’ll done lads

Love the alignment lines on those, I game the Oworks Black Marksman S. I also have the stroke lab Tuttle and prefer the softer feel and immediate roll of the Marksman.

Lovely looking putter. Will be nice to use , but I promise you guys ... if you bend shaft on the bladed putter .. make it sit flat.. you will put beautifully.. try it ! Great vid guys xx

I believe Sean Toulon developed the spider for TM, he moved to Callaway so he took his design with him, upgraded it to a degree and it’s been released! Why not? As rightly observed golf is full of copies, upgrades etc etc!

I've been using a Tour Spider X all year. It's a smaller version of the original Spider. When it stops working (they always stop working), I 'd look at the Odyssey "Spider".

I love crossfield!!!!

+Mark Crossfield , THANK YOU FOR ADDRESSING THE ELEPHANT IN THE ROOM!!😂👍👍 Total respect, for having the conversation. As to your question? None of them. WHY? I'm lucky enough to have a TaylorMade Nubbins, face balance and love it! So many Pros, have said, please let me buy it off you! F right off! It's soooo bloody good, forgiving and all I've done is regrip the handle and that is it. Great video and keep addressing the elephants when they appear.👌🤘😆😂 Jonathan

MOI? Try the new Cleveland Frontline putters...blew my mind and sold my Scotty! Never putted so well and the MOI is at the front👍

What about the Ray Cook version that came out before these and only a quarter of the price?

Great video, boys! I personally love the thicker line. Mental or not, it makes me feel like I can strike it better out of the center. PS Mark - would love to see these tested against your Phantom X. It’d be rude not to 😉

Good point with the wedges. Hi Toe is such a copy. So yeah, all is fair in love and marketing.

Awesome review!!! Please make a review on the Wilson putter 🤩

A big shot person from TM since long time, quit and came to Odyssey😄

It's quite funny to me as well. Callaway should release a stroke lab mini putter next year.

I think you could make an interesting argument that ALOT of modern day concepts came from PING... even custom fitting. PING seemed to be the first to push that, high MOI putters, game improvement irons. Just something the ending made me think of! Love the content!

Currently use the Spider Red, also have the Wilson as part of the fleet!

Very funny ,well done mark that’s the first thing I thought its a new TaylorMade spider ...😉

I like Odyssey putters, play their O works #9 at the moment. But I have been looking around at switch to a mallet. So this just adds to the mix of possible selections. As long as the putter "feels" like it is helping then why not. As mentioned, a Hoover is a Hoover, an Anser is an Anser, so now we have Spider as a possible new generic term.

White hot face before micro hinges was so nice. Firm feel yet a soft pop. You could feel the ball almost spring off the face. First series of micro hinge was way too soft and squishy. They’re slowly getting better

great vid as thinking of ten or bird of prey ,gonna test them this Thursday, they really forgiving? thanks Jon

Love how you show the money in the room, but when someone brings an Anser style out, never seen they same type of reaction from you.

Always thought the Spider was really accurate and I really wanted to game it, just felt like I had an obligation to Callaway to stay with them. Now I can... Good Job Callaway!!

Spot on Mark. Pissing match.

I watched the James Robinson video on the Callaway putters, he mentioned that there is a Callaway podcast talking about them.

Odyssey's number 7, fang style putter had great success on tour and now TM, Ping and Scotty all have similar designs. Whatever shape is successful will be copied simple as that.

I think “Mr Toulon” has kept his best work for odyssey, better looking than the spider ? Price is a big question point tho .....

great test: we weekend players would like to know would "we" make more putts with a high MOI putter, I keep going back n forth between my milled Ping Craze & Odessey double wide, I assume there's a large MOI difference?

Lovin the elephant in the room, and on the green !!

I have Danny boys jacket. Love the PM

Scotty Phantom X 12 THANK YOU !!!

I had Odyssey and returned it because as a feel putter i had no feed back. With the new designed face 'being' firmer i'll give it a try... but my spider is working just fine currently.

Mark, as you say there are all at it..... Another elephant in the room Taylormade Pix ball look familiar Coach Lockey !!!

I like the newer high moi putters. I feel I can keep the face more square. I've putted with a bullseye type putter for 20 years, but I feel like I'm putting better. Feel is the key word, though.

Still play my odyssey white hot 9 putter. Confident with it, and putt well, so no plans to change. It would take a lot to for me to change my putter

I'll definitely get the Black Ten when they eventually get to New Zealand. Trouble is here there isn't the fancy putter fitting gear in the stores near me, so it will be trial and error on the putting green as to which neck I go for. Is there test I can do on the putting green as to which neck the standard or the s neck version?

I think it would be interesting to compare modern high MOI putter like Odyssey Stroke Lab with modern low MOI putter, like the newest line from Cleveland. Both have a case for its tech and I am wondering who is right.

I've just changed to an "elephant" and it's been a revaluation. I was a firm Ping putter fan but my putting was very inconsistent, since using the Spider (there I've gone and said it) my putting is much better (around 2 putts per round). So now I'm a Spider fan and won't change unless I break it.

I used a Yonex PM blade putter for years, a really beautiful club. Sadly it is very difficult to be consistent with - never regretted moving to Odyssey Tank 7 putter. I do wonder whether Mark has it right - this is Callaway's way of sticking the finger up at TM. No doubt lawyers for both companies are currently having fun.

Black 10 all the way, just cause I love the feel of the counter balance

Surely the Scotty Futura was first out with this shape? Great video

Sean Toulon helped design the original spider back in 2007 and now he works for odyssey and helped design Strokelab 10

Can you do a video in directed force putters at their tech please? Interested in your views

Looks better than the spider, more of a sporty look and less clunky looking. I want one of these, but on the fence of the previous stroke lab vs the black. I think I like a softer feel, but not sure. Need to find a place with both options available to hit some putts with.

How do they compare on feel against the new Scotty, which one in your opinion is the better putter and is more consistent in your hands?

I've tried some counterbalance putters. And I tried a heavy grip on my own putter to see how it went longer term. In the end I felt that counterbalanced the putter felt light and controllable - but over time I really felt I'd lost some distance feel. So being direction accurate was nice....but being a yard longer or shorter than a normal mid sized pistol grip was not nice.

I love my odyssey 1w which is a variation of the ansor style

I never cared for TaylorMade putters. I did just buy the Odyssey Model Ten and love the Stroke Lab design. Also bought a Toulon Austin. Buying into Stroke Lab. Great products.

Im in if it comes sort of center shafted. My only gripe with my Odyssey 2MC CS is that the O-works insert is a little too soft, and when the greens are +12 on the stem it's tough to control the momentum because the putter rolls it so well.

“Feel” is the vibrations coming through the shaft and grip into your hands. I wonder if the graphite shaft is more responsible for the difference in feel compared to the face.

PXG has their own version as well, Operator I believe. I have the TM but the real determining factor will be price point. If Callaway is smart they’d come in a little cheaper

I think this happened because callaway has Tour pros on staff who played the spider, and couldn’t get away from it. They needed something to switch them into it. Plus Sean Toulon designed the spider so he can bring it over

Very good video. I think its no different than the car, jet, and so on companies. If it sells and works, every one will build it.

Epic flash twistface.... can't wait

Can you please test Clevelands new frontline putters there MOI story is totally opposite to all other manufacturers currently with moving the weight as far forward as possible. Would be good to compare with the stroke lab 10

I LOVE the look of the Ten. The TM Spider is great but I don't want a red putter or a copper putter or a chalk white putter. I want a simple black putter. I do want line up lines. I know TM do the Spider X in black and I might still get it, but this club looks stunning. My only improvement would be for a black face insert and black and grey grip to double down on the blackout affect.

Moi is a big thing I have always used a Anser shape for over 20 years I just got a Phantom and don’t know why took so long to get one. So I agree with Matt said. Why would you not use a bigger MOI

The bird of prey one kind reminds me of that ping craz-e putter

Do you think you could test some of the new Cleveland Frontline putters for MOI ideas? 👍🏽

"........ have a little play inside where we can feel everything." 😮

Question, are odyssey going to bring one out with the softer insert? I like the softer odyssey inserts

@MarkCrossfield

4 жыл бұрын

Not sure my guess no 👍👍

I moved to Canada when I was 1yrs old from Scotland and used the words Sellotape and Sauce until I grew tired at 10 years old of everyone outside of my home having no idea what I was saying - and it was so hard to change but I did. Testing putters in hurricanes on massive slopes makes for fantastic KZread videos but Statistics rule golf - and when you see the Statistical benefit of high MOI putters, and what it can do for a 8 foot putt, you will never go back if you are playing for a living; and, you can completely understand why the picture of a putter, for the younger generation, will not be that of a Ping Blade (Sellotape and Sauce), but that of Mr. Toulon's modern Spider (Scotch Tape & Ketchup). That said, the 'harder' insert isn't really for me, but the patents that Evnroll holds, and is enforcing behind the scenes, is affecting the putter world.

Hi Mark I still like my Nike method putter.

I game a Spider putter. Outstanding. I have no problem with a copy vat version as long as it is legal.

What are the toe-hang specs on the Elephant and the Branding Iron?

The 10 is what the spider would look like if Sean Toulon still worked at TM, think i would go for the Klingon copy myself "Maltz, chung chi"

Lockeys face when the TM comes in to shot 😂😂

If I were in the market for a 'Spider' style, I'd lean towards the Odyssey simply because in my experience the finish on Odyssey putters holds-up better. Oddly enough, I've owned the Ray Cook 'Spider' and the Taylormade Spider .... kept the Ray Cook and returned the Taylormade.

I would try both of them. All fair in the marketing war.

I tried the spider and did not like the look of it...it would not try the 10. I dont mind stranged shapes, I currently use the Cure RX2. I also love the Ping Konlinc Centershafted putter. I like big MOI and I cannot lie! (Insert music here)

The Ten Black until TM can fix the crappy paint chipping issues.

I’ve never had to strike a putt that hard in my life. Would’ve liked to see more 5-10 footers to see how they performed

Lookalikes: PING Valor looking like Odyssey Bird of Prey, PING Tyne is like Odyssey model 7, and PING Wolverine is like Odyssey Marxman.....so some high MOI shapes may be better than others.Would be interesting to test similar shapes blades and mallets of different brands against each other.....

Also look at all the manufacturer making similar putters to Callaway #7

Do you honestly think the massive space station putters help? They make me feel like I can't be confident if I'm using one! 😂

Designer of spider with rights took the design to Callaway!!!! Got his piece of the pie!!!💪💪💪 I like the look of the evnroll ER10 and now the Spider S (but do not like the micro hinges!!!🙂🙂🙂

Matt: go Toulon next year please. Atlanta i'd say would be your swag

Would love to test the elephant against the TaylorMade spider.

Note that the guys who created and holds the patent for the TaylorMade Spider moved to Odyssey earlier this year.

So is coach's tuttle not just a ram zebra? 😂

@MarkCrossfield

4 жыл бұрын

Defo

@davidnunn1306

4 жыл бұрын

@@MarkCrossfield And #1 Custom Shop is an Anser. :)

I'm a Callaway/Odyssey guy. And this putter is clearly a copy of the original by the same guy who designed the original. That being said, as you suggest, it's not the first putter to be copied. I mean there has been copies of Odyssey's # 7. And, as you pointed out, the most copied putter in golf is the Ping Anser. I really like the new Odyssey Ten putter. I don't know if I like it to the tune of $300 at this point. I haven't had it in hand. And I'm not sure about the firmer insert. But it looks great.

Like the shafts. Like the feel on the face. Love the grips However I think the heads look cheap. Seen some used stroke lab on eBay and they don’t generally hold up to well.

@jasonamburgey7339

4 жыл бұрын

That's why I decided to shell out the extra coin for a Toulon Stroke Lab Portland... high quality milled putter with all the bells and whistles of the standard Stroke Lab line... I highly recommend giving them a try. I fell in love with mine straight away!

Maybe TM and O both looked at the Frankly Frog putters and said that's a good idea we should make one.

Disappointed in you Mark. A putter called Bird of Prey, in the exact shape, and no Klingon reference? Coach and Dan would have been very confused. As for the putter, I am going to try them, and happy they have a firmer face.