They avoid switching cuz one switch problem would delay both lines at the same time. The less switching, the better

This was so interesting. Thank you. I'm a subway fan who now lives outside NYC, and this explained some videos I had seen (like, WTF is the F doing on Fulton Street in Brooklyn?!)

I live in London, UK but this is great stuff, subscribed!

1:55 prep for 8ave and Brooklyn Fulton Street cbtc,that’s why.

3:34 York St: 🎶but you didn’t have to cut me off 🎶

PLEASE MAKE MORE VIDEOS LIKE THIS!!!!

@ianrotheroe2540

2 жыл бұрын

@@TransitTalkNYC where did you find this graphic you used in the video?

I think they are telling folks to get the B67 to/from York St-Jay St or walk to High St for service. I don’t think they want to pay drivers added OT to go over the bridge. Other shuttle bus E. Broadway to Delancey St.

The E and F didn’t switch lines because they didn’t want interlining

3:02 in other systems (e.g. Toronto Transit Commission, Hudson-Bergen Light Rail etc…) they sometimes do weird things with terminating trains. So idk why. NYC is any different.

Late comment but, I think the C also went via IND Concourse ( B, and D trains) during those changes.

it switches at canal st on the e train

Does anyone agree that extending the (G) via Queens Blvd local would've helped assist & limit some of the confusing travel for this weekend???

Can be very confusing - especially for late night (IF THE LATE NIGHT SERVICE WAS RESTORED) Tracks/tunnels needs maintenance once in a while.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, but riders are well used to this. They actually have this type of service change engraved into their brains, especially since this is a classic reroute.

It makes so much more sense to just swap the E and F routes, cause then they use their trunk lines

@williamerazo3921

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly. This was dumb

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

They did swap the E and F lines. E trains were running via 6th Avenue and F trains were running via 8th Avenue. It’s like any other service change they have done for year and riders are well used to (and enjoying).

@RBMapleLeaf

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer My problem is why can’t they use the M it’s A: Running on 53rd and it can takeover the F line to Delancy Essex St using 63rd st it removes the conflict between F and M trains at Queens Plaza (I know it doesn’t work at 5 Ave - 53rd St between the E and F but that’s Deinterlining back into Interlining we can’t change that) but it means Local trains (M and R run together) and Express (E and F Run together) B: F trains can do M train service to Metropolitan Ave using 53rd St and 6 Ave linking back to A C: No disruptions to the C and E trains they can continue normal so can the G just with the extension to Coney Island whilst F is unavailable

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@RBMapleLeaf Demand, as well as reducing passenger confusion and train crews needed to operate the whole thing. Besides, they’ve done this for several weekends and nobody’s complaining.

@RBMapleLeaf

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer Well it’s either what I have mentioned or have the F and M run normally on their routes and switch at West 4th this just leaves the issues on 6th Avenue not affecting 8th Avenue service in the process however the previously mentioned demand I’m not saying it’s a bad thing but it was a more “controversial” move to also affect 8th Avenue when the MTA can just switch the 2 local 6th Avenue trains F and M two different destinations F to Metropolitan Ave while M goes to Delancy Essex St. I’m only pointing this out it’s similar how they switched the D to the F and F to the D not directly affecting 8th Avenue traffic tho at the same time I wonder how the B at the time ran normally from 42nd St Bryant Park to 59th St Columbus Circle with no problems

To recap what happened I took the G on the 14th and 15th (Saturday and sunday both from 21 st to Hoyt and when I took them - they were running full length to Coney Island with no separate sections. Maybe they were only doing this for the first week?

@daniloevangelista5798

2 жыл бұрын

@@TransitTalkNYC nah it’s all good 😊

Jeez thought it was this year

Oh well at least we can have the D train to Coney Island

3:57 they should sign those (C) trains as (K) trains because it mocks the k pattern

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

That’s not necessary.

@willair6278

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer but it would be a cool reference

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@willair6278 Not to mention that the C train IS the K train. In fact, before then, today’s C train was really two separate routes.

Why couldn’t they just suspend F service in Brooklyn and extend the G down to Coney Island (as it is in this plan)? Would cover everything the same without affecting the ACE lines.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

That would’ve done nothing for Queens and Manhattan riders to get to the Hoyt-Schermerhorn Station for access to the G train, which is going to Coney Island. Plus they’ve always done this type of service change and nobody’s complaining.

Run C trains to Euclid Avenue. Run E trains via 63 Street to Delancey Street. Run F trains via the G line between Court Square and Bergen Street. It’s not like 53 street never had no service before. Yes, I know the G.O. is over, I’m giving my retrospective opinion.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

53rd Street and 8th Avenue still needs service, especially since work on the 53rd Street Tunnel is already finished. In addition, almost all Queens Blvd traffic is going to Manhattan, so there is ZERO need to go via the Crosstown Line.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@Eastwood S That would’ve done nothing to get Queens and Manhattan riders to the Hoyt-Schermerhorn for G train service to Coney Island. What the MTA is doing is the correct way to do it.

Now imagine a Blue F train bullet and an orange E train bullet… lmao

@TransitTalkNYC

Жыл бұрын

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It is just the C, E, F, and G

Trains could terminate at East Broadway, there’s a program for it for the E to East Broadway

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

No need in fact it would have been better if they suspended the F entirely and had the M replace the F in queens and manhattan as alternative service and leave the A/C/E alone

@this51man

2 жыл бұрын

E Broadway is being used for a staging area for the work trains

@skrakaayyyyy_itzyostep

2 жыл бұрын

To be fair, it would be way much easier o If the E Terminated at East Broadway since it's an Island Platform.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

East Broadway is getting some work done too since it sits at the other end of the tunnel and it’s also getting renovated. Both tracks are needed to accommodate work trains.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@skrakaayyyyy_itzyostep East Broadway is the staging area for the work trains. It sits three blocks from the end of the Rutgers Tunnel.

I thought the mta completely fixed the Rutgers Street tunnel aready

@leecornwell1062

2 жыл бұрын

That is for Cbtcs in the future on the AC trains in the future right along with the /E/A/C lines which is in 2023.

This is an interesting reroute but I'd say it's a bit much as well. I kept trying to figure out the reason as to why they would send the F to Euclid but it wasn't making sense. If it were me, I'd send the F to Delancey [via 6th Ave Lcl/ via 63rd st] and have it terminate there, send the E back to it's terminal at WTC [8th Ave Lcl/via 53rd st], have the C continue it's normal Local route via Fulton St Lcl and have the G run Via Crosstown/ Via Culver to Coney Island and call it a day. Place the shuttles buses between York and Jay st and the others between Delancey and East Broadway. C runs its original route, E runs its original route, F runs 6th Ave Local only Til Delancey and the G replaces the F. Even if you were to make a pointless swap where the E would go to Euclid and the C to WTC, it'll still be less confusing to the customers than what we have now. Honestly tho, I'm taking advantage of these route changes because you don't see these happen so often. F riders have a chance to swap at W 4th for the A/C and take it to Hoyt for service on Culver. Want Coney Island? Take the D/N/Q, all available at Herald Sq.

@rayshurhomer-millien901

2 жыл бұрын

Guess because f train takes longer to come so has more time for workers to repair what ever in any tunnel and still keep it going instead of having the e train come every 4 to 8 minutes or having it close off for the weekend on 53 🤷‍♂️ idk really but mostly cbtc quick repair or installing I would say they doing

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

The MTA does it the way it did to reduce switching issues. Also, the MTA has sent F trains to Euclid Avenue almost every time the F is cut south of Jay Street-MetroTech, also to reduce switching and merging and to reduce the number of train crews that need to work on the weekends

@mikeny2010

2 жыл бұрын

They only send the F to Euclid as a means to connect to the (G) or (G) shuttle bus for the direct Coney Island via Culver connection

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@TransitTalkNYC And it gets a lot of use during these service changes.

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikeny2010 umm they can run G to forest hills

Now the issue with the E and F switching yes I get why they don’t want the F to stop at Delancy Essex St but it makes no sense when you also have the M also running on 53rd st and it adds a conflict at Queens Plaza to be fair tho if M ran to Delancy Essex st the F then can takeover the M service to Metropolitan Ave. it only then means G will continue to Coney Island and the C and E resumes normal operations Edit: I’m not a worker in the MTA nor am I agreeing or disagreeing with these changes it’s my opinion Note: in my way of doing this it would be F: Jamaica 179th St to Metropolitan Ave via Queens Boulevard Express, 53rd st and 6 Ave local M: from Forest Hills 71st Or Continental Ave 71st either way to Delancy Essex St via 63st and 6 Ave local E: normal from Jamaica Center to World Trade Center via Queens Boulevard Express and 8 Ave Local C: Normal Washington Heights 168th St to Euclid Ave on 8 Ave and Fulton Local G: Court Square 23rd St to Coney Island via Crosstown and Culver Local A: Runs normal from 207th St to Lefferts or Rockaways via 8 Ave Express and Fulton Local/Express (Someone correct me on this) B and D won’t be affected.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

M wasn’t running at that time. Plus the E and F switch is easier to do at 36th since it doesn’t create issues with other lines.

@RBMapleLeaf

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer I mean if F trains didn’t Conflict at 36th St and Ran express all the way to Continental Avenue 71st St and went via 53rd with the E and then 6th Avenue it can ultimately remove the conflict between the F, R and M trains M goes via 63rd St while F goes via 53rd St they will continue normal on 6th Avenue with no interference with 8th Avenue Service keep disruptions to a minimum with M going to Delancy Essex St While goes to Metropolitan Ave I get that M doesn’t really run on late nights I mean to be fair the R doesn’t as well (At least what I have heard) Otherwise another Alternative they have done this before again is Send the F to Delancey and Let the D run to Coney Island (Without any rerouting just normal from 205th to Coney Island)to Compensate for the F and people at Atlantic Terminal tho in saying that it wouldn’t stop at Jay St but that can be solved and the D still giving passengers that alternative to Brooklyn and Vice versa and it doesn’t have a conflict with the F as it runs express on 6th Avenue the F doesn’t tho I get why they want to replace C service with F to Euclid but it doesn’t really make sense unless the purpose of that is all because of Hoyt

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@RBMapleLeaf That would result in no service to 63rd. In fact, what the MTA did was absolutely correct for both operations and customer convenience. You don’t want to switch the E and F at West 4th since it would interfere with other unchanged services over there. Cutting the F to Delancey Street isn’t good enough since that line has to go to Brooklyn, especially to Hoyt-Schermerhorn for that connection. Sending the E to Brooklyn instead would make that line a little bit too long. Therefore having the E go to Delancey via 6th and the F go to Brooklyn via 8th Avenue makes everything work out fine. Either way, doing a service change like this without affecting 8th Avenue Service won’t work well. Perhaps the closest we could get is having the E and F maintain the normal routes through Midtown, and do the swap south of West 4th Street (with the E terminating at Delancey with the tunnel closed), BUT the C would have to be moved to 6th Avenue to make it work (to avoid delays at the interlocking) That’s too complicated and confusing compared to what the MTA chose, so it’s better off rerouting the E via 6th to Delancey and the F to Brooklyn via 8th. Works every time and you hear no complaints. Do you not trust what the MTA does?

@RBMapleLeaf

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer Yeah alright, i'll give them that, it all fairness yeah the M does only the Shuttle on Late Nights, it was just more of the question mark Why cant the D be more used as well i mean the M has been rerouted many times onto other routes Replacing C on Central Park West Line, Helped with the 1,2,3 Closure when the 96th St switch replacement I wouldn't dare send the E to Coney Island i can let the D and G do that but it would make sense to do the E to Delancy it just doesn't make sense why can't Riders switch to the D at West 4th St Washington Square or the A then switch at either Jay St or Hoyt. I get why they want the F to Euclid they have done that many times before

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@RBMapleLeaf The D serves a separate area compared to the F, not unlike the whole situation with the Broadway-7th Avenue Line.

The (A) isn’t affected

MTA if they had a brain: M runs full route extends to 179th and reroutes to 63rd. That’s it no further changes required and then suspend F with no F service that weekend

@xpertt4kexclusiveness_mov669

2 жыл бұрын

Quit dreaming bud because they’ll never let the M run to 179 to replace the F (suspended it) if it was for this G.O that’s happening

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

That would be if the MTA didn’t have a brain. What they are doing here is what they’ve been doing almost every time the F needs to be cut south of Jay Street-MetroTech, and they’ve had no issues. They also combined this with Rutgers Street Tunnel work, which required E and F trains to swap in Manhattan to reduce train crews and prevent switching delays elsewhere in the system (switching at West 4th would’ve also impacted A and C trains as well. However, switching in Queens only impacts the E and F lines themselves). Also, the M has nothing to do with F train work in Brooklyn.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@TransitTalkNYC He is proposing that the C be left alone. However, the flaw with his plan is that the F riders or any Queens Blvd rider will not be able to access Hoyt-Schermerhorn for the G service, which is going to Coney Island.

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

@@xpertt4kexclusiveness_mov669 but that’s the most efficient route

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer wrong the E and C do that on normal routes and the M links to the G at hewes via short walk. The M runs on 6th ave so this avoids confusion with routes and avoids having to truncate at Essex street the G is available at court street via E

I really don’t understand all the complaints about this. It’s literally versions of the same service changes the MTA has done for years and nobody has complained about it. Why are you all having issues now?

They really could’ve just made the f run to Delancey-Essex and G to Coney Island like bruh they like to make everything confusing

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

What the MTA did is NOT confusing, but rather something they have done over the years.

It was as simple as running the (F) via the (A) from W4 to jay sts

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

But at least it was running. Clearly what the MTA did here was a good decision.

@willair6278

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer true but it was kinda over complicated

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@willair6278 It was not complicated. Two simple service changes combined into one.

@Pigsbeawesome

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer They could've just cut the F to delancey essex and extended the G to coney island right? or is there something I'm missing...

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@Pigsbeawesome That would’ve not worked since F riders need access to Hoyt-Schermerhorn for the G train. I’m pretty sure the MTA came up with the right plan, since they’ve always done something like this and no complaints whatsoever.

This map tells you clearly that the MTA heads DO NOT live in the city and have no idea what they are doing!!!!!

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

Really, because this is the same type of service change the MTA has been doing for years on end when there work between Jay Street-MetroTech and Bergen Street with no issues?

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer issues operationally but not from customer service standpoint

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@qjtvaddict There are no issues from any standpoint. This is the most efficient service pattern the MTA can come up with, and they’ve done this for a while with lots of success. Passengers are well accustomed with the F train going to Euclid Avenue and the new Rutgers Tunnel service changes. It’s not that first time this has been done (though it is the first time the two have been occurring at the same time).

@williamerazo3921

2 жыл бұрын

Yup

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@williamerazo3921 What?

They should make the G go to Canarsie

Why not leave the C alone and have F end at WTC?

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

It would be more consistent 24 hours a day. The F runs 24 hours while the C stops service at around 11:30 PM. World Trade Center is serviced by other lines so it’s no big worries. Plus they have done this every time F service needs to be cut south of Jay Street-MetroTech, yet it’s not an issue.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@RYAN AYALA The MTA is not dumb, since this is a rather very efficient pattern. However, one modification they should’ve made was that they should’ve absorbed the Lefferts Blvd shuttle overnight into the F route, with the F going to Lefferts Blvd during overnights.

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

@RYAN AYALA I meant to just truncate F at Essex or not run F at all and have M do F stops in queens and Manhattan and leave C/E alone

@qjtvaddict

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer no no it’s not E is consistent and C can just run normal route and have M make F stops aka alternate service. In fact the most efficient way to do this is suspend the F for the weekend and run enhanced M service via 63rd street making F stops in queens and run normal C and E service.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@qjtvaddict That would not help F riders get to Coney Island, since they can not make the connection at Hoyt-Schermerhorn. The MTA has done this for quite a while, and it’s a flawless reroute, and there’s a reason: Hoyt-Schermerhorn. That station sees a lot of activity during service changes like these, since it’s a major interchange between rerouted F trains going to Euclid Avenue and G trains that are going to Coney Island to pick up the slack. Suspending the F entirely and replacing it with the M would’ve done nothing to help F riders make the connection to the G at Hoyt-Schermerhorn. Having the F to Euclid while the C goes to World Trade Center works, and they are not going to change it. Perhaps it’s you who doesn’t ride the subway.

*faints*

People who are actually good at rerouting trains like this are probably vastly underpaid…….

Dumb. Have the F run on the 6ave line

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

F trains terminating at Essex Street will do nothing to get Queens and Manhattan riders to Hoyt-Schedmerhorn for access to the G train, which is getting to Coney Island. Have you really been living under a rock because these types of service changes have been going on for years and passengers are well used to F via Euclid, F via 8th Avenue, E via 6th Avenue, etc? However, if they shall have the F via 6th Avenue and E via 8th Avenue north of West 4th Street, what they should do is have the C train run via the 6th Avenue Line with the F train, so that way, the C and F follow the same route all the way.

@giantdawg1193

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheRailLeaguer Queens and manhattan riders can take the E. They should keep the C and E normal, F to Delancey. idk why the mta keeps switching the E and F in manhattan.

@TheRailLeaguer

2 жыл бұрын

@@giantdawg1193 The E and the R do not have ample capacity to absorb F train riders, and practically everybody is going into Manhattan. Moving the E and F in Manhattan is a practically normal service change. A lot of passengers are well used to it. Are you suggesting you have no trust in what the MTA is doing?