Some priceless footage by the great Fred McLeod. Fred recorded every one of his railroad films with sound-on-film technology. This means that the sounds you're hearing were recorded right on the spot as the film was shot.

@Watchmaker_Gereon-Schloesser

Ай бұрын

thank you very much for this info! It could have been an 16mm Auricon Camera he used.

Seeing those Hudsons and Niagaras being absolute racehorses with live sound is an absolute treasure. 👌🏼

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

Yes

@ogragan3492

11 ай бұрын

I totally agree my brother 🤘🏽

You can tell that this footage was shot near the end of steam operation, because most of the engines no longer have their cylinder-head covers in place.

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

also because of the cars, the cars must be around 40-50s

@b3j8

Жыл бұрын

True. Most of the footage was shot on the Big Four in Ohio/Indiana late 1950s.

@glorialotz3333

Жыл бұрын

@@b3j8 Steam was gone by the late 50's.

@b3j8

Жыл бұрын

@@glorialotz3333 Right, and???

@jayyy3_yt295

Жыл бұрын

And they lost their streamlined shrouds

Hudsons and Mohawks always get more air time, so it's nice to see some good footage of the workhorses of the system: the 2-8-2. Local action at 5:03 and 7:03 was exceptional. Thanks for sharing.

Man, what a thrill it must’ve been to ride the combine on the rear of those mail trains! These are incredibly valuable images…bravo and thank you for posting.

Magnificent scenes, beautifully set up and filmed. Must be 16mm at least, and the sound--well, my jaw is on the floor. Thanks to the visionary who caught these wonderful sights and sounds!

@maxwellwalcher6420

2 жыл бұрын

are there J3a hudsons.

@cjsnidlio9409

Жыл бұрын

I'm curious if the sounds were added. Sometimes sound is added to these old recordings

@kurtarmbruster

Жыл бұрын

@@cjsnidlio9409 I'm not the photographer so don't know for sure, but I don't think the sound was dubbed, and believe this was either a sound camera or separate recording on the spot.

@charleswhitcomb4470

Жыл бұрын

These are the original sounds recorded with the picture..

@maxwellwalcher6420

Жыл бұрын

@@charleswhitcomb4470 What Hudson you like Mine's 5406.

Some of the best vintage footage of NYC steam I've ever seen! Thank you so much for sharing this!

Beautiful in-focus footage…outstanding.

one of the only nyc steam videos i’ve seen with the actual sound. Thank you

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

there's a video with 2 scenes showing the Dreyfus hudson with audio, i think they have the original audio because the whistle smokes when blown, the scene matched with the audio

@harrison444

Жыл бұрын

@@daniko4447 really? do you have a link?

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/hIymmLSTc6y4YqQ.html

@maxwellwalcher6420

Жыл бұрын

@@harrison444 What Hudson did you like Mine's 5406.

@harrison444

Жыл бұрын

@@maxwellwalcher6420 huh?

This footage is fantastic! The quality is impressively high and the lack of dubbed audio especially considering its high quality as well is awesome.

I wish I could go back in time and ride one of them. Great video.

Wow - just wow! I am so glad YT recommended this video of my favorite railroad! It is fantastic. I wish I knew if this is on a DVD!

8:37 may be the only audio existing (definitely the only audio I know of) of a Niagara using its air horn! Awesome!

@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory

Жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/iX-Or6anl8ebf6Q.html This is a recording of one, I also believe in some of Heron Rail Video's DVDs there is audio of some of them.

@daniko4447

3 ай бұрын

There's another video on YT that shows it using the horn

The Yard scene of the H-5 and Big four caboose is taken from the Big Four at Greensburg Indiana. The scene of the Hudson leaving under the coal dock is without a doubt Greensburg, Indiana. The train is likely the James Whitcomb Riley. This is the Chicago line of the Big Four. Which leads me to believe that the double track footage is on the Chicago line as well (half of this line was double tracked at the time). Another comment I saw could be right as well. It does also resemble the Bee Line, or line between Indianapolis and Cleveland in Ohio.

@charleswhitcomb4470

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for the information.

Concieved an alternate history of American Railroads where an Oil Crisis in 1953, combined with laxer regulations in the 1920s, enables a larger rail preservation movement. I even came up with specific locomotives and where they'd be displayed.

shame that hardly any NYC locomotives were preserved, thanks a LOT Alfred e Pearlman

@CrossOfBayonne

3 ай бұрын

I think 5413 was supposed to be saved and sent down to the Smithsonian but the museum wanted one of the locomotives that pulled Roosevelt's funeral train so they went with the Southern 1401 as it was right next to that railroads HQ

@jamesholton2630

2 ай бұрын

5313’s tender was preserved

The long train headed by the Niagara at 8:37 and the two mail and express trains behind Hudsons (at 9:18 and 9:37) look to me like they might have been shot somewhere along the NYC Western Division (Elkhart-Chicago). Maybe Fred McLeod got up there a few times? The shot at 9:37 is a dead ringer for many of the slides in Sandy Goodrick's NYC Western Division book.

Probably filmed with a 16mm Auricon, which photographed an optical sound track along with the picture. The 16mm film had a single row of perforations, rather than two, which left room for the optical track. I handled one: they were all-metal and heavy as heck!

Good job with the camera for those who took these films . These are good videos THANK YOU KEEP THEM COMING!!

Awesome footage. Thanks for showing us.

Video from this time with live sound is so hard to find! I’m always appreciative when I can hear the sounds that were recorded at the same time. Thank you for sharing!

Quite a few of these scenes were in a pentrex DVD on the NYC from a few years back. It was a double disc and the program was from 1987 I think.

When I was visit family in Blue Island, IL I'd take ride over to the NYC right of way and get set for a show. Chicago was a busy NYC destination as well as big freight trains too.

Hats off now that this is digitally preserved for all to see👏🚂🇨🇦🇺🇲🚃🚃🚃🙋

Dear Charles! Thank you so much for putting this online! Eli_Santin wrote that this was filmed by Fred McLeod with a sound on film camera! Fantastic! First time I hear those great Hudsons with true original sound and the whistles! Perhaps Mr. McLeod used an 16mm Auricon Camera. Those were famous for sound on film. Love also that great KODACHROME color. They hold the color so great. Even today. ALWAYS retain/hold your reels of film even after digitalisation! Cordial greetings / herzliche Grüße! Géréon

I love around 7:26 you can see a lump of coal fall from the tender. Just amazing footage.

Great footage!

Terrific footage!

I can't see if anyone has asked this question, but where I can buy this video? Is it still for sale out there? I have lots of NYC steam videos, but this one is one I've never seen before. The sound is among the best.

8:25 Looked like a shot from The Polar Express

@maxwellwalcher6420

Жыл бұрын

you found the scene.

AWESOME video thanks

Need to restore that mohawk!

Dude did you see that, one of those new York central steam locomotives was accelerated going like 70 mph how awesome is that man wicked cool bro sweet

Fantastic!

I always enjoy seeing footage of NYC rr steam power in operation, it's a true shame that the NYC didn't save any of their Hudson and Niagara type locomotives from being scrapped and preserved for future public display in some type of museum or park. I would love to see a streamlined Dreyfuss class Hudson and a Niagara type engine on display somewhere still in existence.

@SouRwy4501Productions

11 ай бұрын

It’s a real shame that none were preserved. If preservation was a thing when they were retiring them, then we might have seen one in preservation. Perhaps maybe someone will come along and build a new J3 Hudson. We still have a tender, so they can work off of that.

1:28 looks like Batesville

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

It is

I think this has to be the most surefire set of footage that actually has real sound of these beasts working. I haven't seen many videos of a Hudson or a Mikado with real synced audio, but this video takes the cake. Like 3:58 is so good it sounds real. That or it would take unnecessary skill for someone to patch the sound with that of another locomotive from another bit of footage. Also 9:37 solves the question: Did NYC Hudsons have Nathan 6 Chimes?

Is this part of a DVD? If so, where on earth should I look? This is probably the best find of this kind of treasure I had ever seen.

Anyone know what program this came from? I see Reading Steam right at the end, so there’s obviously a DVD or something out there with all of this on it. Would love to buy it!

Wish that he had filmed at grade crossings with mee-mool lights *(o)T(o)* and gates and trains not moving so fast. Some of these films are played back too fast.

Fantastic video! This is NYC steam gold!! Would this be available on DVD at all?

1954-1955 Two Tone Scheme is present.

8:22 Awesome shot here!

Hi Charles, we'd like to inquire about usage of some of this footage for an NYC related project as many of our excursions take place on former NYC territory. Is there a way to get in touch with you directly?

@SuperFoxyRailwayProduction6702

9 ай бұрын

I guess you guys can used these footage, because this channel is abandoned

@SuperFoxyRailwayProduction6702

9 ай бұрын

I guess you guys can used these footage, because this channel is abandoned

WOW!!!

8:37

Is this some kind of DVD? If so is it available to be purchased anywhere?

7:21

It's sounds like 765 in 2009

Imagine there will be a new York central 4-8-4 Hudson steam locomotive cool right

The workhorses of the old world.

Where is this footage from? This is some incredible stuff, especially with the original sound! 3:20 is amazing, that has to be 80+ MPH.

@b3j8

Жыл бұрын

Looks like alot of it was shot on the Big 4 mainline in east central Ohio. Saw the tower at Valley Junction Ohio, coal dock at Galion, and a couple scenes betw Galiin and Marion.

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

That looks like 60mph or 70mph

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

​@@b3j8 The coal dock is not in Greensburg?

@b3j8

Жыл бұрын

@@daniko4447 Yeah, looking at it closer you're right. It was Greensburg. Both had towers close by but Galion's BURT tower was farther away. Thanks.

I Love Hudson's.

@rogerlollar4325

2 жыл бұрын

We should build a new one since none were preserved

@daniko4447

2 жыл бұрын

some guys are rebuilding the t1 duplex

@maxwellwalcher6420

Жыл бұрын

@@daniko4447 yes and number 1361 and How about NYC J3a Streamline Hudson 5406.

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

5406 is being rebuilt?

@maxwellwalcher6420

Жыл бұрын

@@daniko4447 is she she has a Streamline Boiler of sparkling blue and white paint the drive wheels 4 Boxpok drivers front and back and 2 Scullin disc drivers in the center a Boston and Main 6 chime an Bell on the side swinging back and forth a Berkshire tender with a stoker and a water scoop. The 20th Century limited will bee good it will have 2 mail cars 4 sleepers a polar express car 5 passenger cars 6 looker passenger cars 2 kitchen cars with big domes 2 dining cars with small domes and the observation car with the 20th century logo in the back.

Is there anywhere we can watch the rest of the video?

Anyone know what DVD this is from?

Okay, the horn at 8:36 has me really confused. I thought that was a diesel's horn. But on a steamer?

for the first time we hear the Niagras horn but sadly not its whistle :C

0:15 hang on! The New York central did have 2-8-4 berkshires. Never saw that coming.

@howardswanson4708

Жыл бұрын

The original Berkshires were built for the Boston and Albany which was a NYC subsidiary. The Berkshire in the video was built for the Pittsburgh and Lake Erie Railroad (a NYC subsidiary). They were soon transferred to the Big Four where they operated for the remainder of their short life.

@saxonaudio

Жыл бұрын

@@howardswanson4708 oh. So the New York central didn’t build their own berkshires ?

@howardswanson4708

Жыл бұрын

@@saxonaudio it depends on how you define what is the New York Central. NYC subsidiaries, the Boston & Albany and Pittsburgh & Lake Erie had Berkshires built for them. The B&A was the first railroad to purchase Berkshires and the name comes from the Berkshire Mountains that the B&A ran through. The New York Central proper, roughly defined as the New York to Chicago mainline, never owned a Berkshire. The P&LE Berkshires were delivered in the late 1940s. The New York Central System, including subsidiaries, dieselized from east to west. The P&LE switched to diesels a few years after the Berkshires were delivered. The relatively new engines were transferred to the CCC&StL (commonly known as the Big Four) which was another NYC subsidiary on the west end of the railroad .

@howardswanson4708

Жыл бұрын

This video appears to be mainly taken on the Big Four.

@nosignalatall

Жыл бұрын

i believe this one call nyc a-2 berkshire

Is this a sort of teaser for an upcoming MOI video? If not, where did you get this from?

@maxwellwalcher6420

2 жыл бұрын

The NYC is running on Amtrak of today.

@seaboardrailfan429

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxwellwalcher6420 That's.... not my question. My question is whether this is a preview for a Machines of Iron video or not, since the channel's name, Charles Whitcomb, is one of the two people running said film company.

@maxwellwalcher6420

2 жыл бұрын

@@seaboardrailfan429 I wish Hudson 5406 is steaming again.

@seaboardrailfan429

2 жыл бұрын

@@maxwellwalcher6420 What kinda drugs are you on mate?

@charleswhitcomb4470

2 жыл бұрын

This is one section of future MOI DVD and BluRay. It was one of eight railroad on the video. It was online to gather information on locations.

Any ideas on where these were filmed?

@daniko4447

3 ай бұрын

Mostly at Indiana on the lines the Big Four operated

Because The United States is essentially The saudi-arabia of Coal, we should bring back Steam Locomotives in a new Modern Era of phasing out oil and gasoline engines. A modern efficient Coal powered Locomotive (see the Niagara) would be amazing.

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

Steam trains are expensive and heavy and they drink a lot of water. It would be cool but it's hard to happen

@michaelbragg6903

Жыл бұрын

Look up the ACE 3000 project. It was an attempt to make a modern in the 1980’s steam locomotive by Ross Rowland. It never was fulfilled.

1:10 Is that 3001? Kinda hard to tell.

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

looks like to be

3:40

4:00

Where’s the reading footage?

@alecbutler2450

Жыл бұрын

I have seen that footage at the beginning of a Sunday River DVD involving Reading 2101 but had some T1s on sound Film and even a G3 Pacific.

Location & dates ?

@jordankramer9523

2 жыл бұрын

@2:34 it's Valley Junction which would be Hooven, Ohio on the Cincinnati- Indianapolis mainline. @2:57 I believe that could be either Riverside yard in Cincinnati or Cincinnati Union Terminals Roundhouse. @3:49 I think this Greensburg Indiana is where the big coal tower is shown same line. @5:00 I think we are back at the small yard at Valley Junction. @8:10 the train is coming off the Whitewater Branch (Connersville Indiana- Hooven Ohio) on to the Cincinnati- Indianapolis Mainline.

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

where's the coal tower? i found the mainline

Are the sounds real or dubbed over?

@Jackwald001

2 жыл бұрын

Real.

@AdmiralColdhead

2 жыл бұрын

This is, by far, the realest sound footage of NYC action I've seen. Most NYC videos are dubbed over with reused Reading T1 audio, but THIS? This is authentic. This is sound you would get from the stored audio archives.

@maxwellwalcher6420

Жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralColdhead What Hudson did you like.

@AdmiralColdhead

Жыл бұрын

@@maxwellwalcher6420 3:56, about my favorite bit of Hudson footage. We not only hear it’s authentic whistle, but we also get some wheelslip.

@daniko4447

Жыл бұрын

@@AdmiralColdhead "realest" does this word even exist? i've never heard this word

3:22 XD

0:13 and there it is, the most ugly train of the New York Central Railroad

@daniko4447

2 жыл бұрын

true

@WesternOhioInterurbanHistory

Жыл бұрын

I think it looks awesome

2:32, 5:04, 8:07 this place is located at hooven (39.169623,-84.775495) the camera is facing east

8:36

3:40