At the end of the video I said $250 would make the RTX 4060 'a great buy'. I'd like to retract that. Rather $250 makes it worth considering, $200 or less would make it a great buy.

@davidbrennan5

Жыл бұрын

I was thinking $150.

@PcCentric

Жыл бұрын

A price war between the 7600 and 4060 could happen - 225 for a 7600, 250 for the 4060 isn't unlikely over the next 6-9 months

@benjy117

Жыл бұрын

Really all of this Taiwanese Chinese products should be priced at least 33% less than what it cost retail.

@davidbrennan5

Жыл бұрын

@@PcCentric I can't see them moving the cards at this price with so many great deals on used last gen stuff.

@limanac111

Жыл бұрын

Please test this card on PCIe 3.0 mother board

This is a 4050 on a 107 die rebranded to the 4060. This card is ~60% faster than the 3050 and this is what it is - a 3050 successor with 8GB of VRAM for $300. Thank you, Jensen!

@moderator578

Жыл бұрын

Exactly!

@noobitonobombito9174

Жыл бұрын

You are right, history is cyclical and now we are seeing exactly the same repetition of the 2000 series after the mining boom. There is every reason to believe that at the end of autumn we will still be shown an updated series with the addition "super" where, by analogy with the 2000 series, everything will fall into place and the lineup will move one point while maintaining prices.

@cogthusiast1150

Жыл бұрын

Except for the 4090, the entire 40 series generation is meant to be 1 tier lower. The 4080 is a 4070, the 4070 is a 4060 etc etc.

@existentialselkath1264

Жыл бұрын

It's not a coincidence that the 60 series has always been the outlier in vram, but this generation it's the 60ti Everything has been moved up a skew

@V3ntilator

Жыл бұрын

Standard 3070 is faster than 4060 TI.

Nvidia, these maniacs, did it! They made a card that performs in certain situations worse than the previous gen. You can’t insult your customer more than that

@garyb7193

Жыл бұрын

It's not really an insult when it's targeted and backed by fanboys. Like many things in life, if they never expect or demand better, they'll never be treated or given better.

@GLDragon93

Жыл бұрын

Too early to be excited when the 4050 is on the horizon.

@mehck-gk9yn

Жыл бұрын

@@garyb7193 if ATi didnt suck so much at productivity I could actually purchase their products is the issue.

@NyangisKhan

Жыл бұрын

@@garyb7193 Even Nvidia fanboys aren't buying them. The only ones who are purchasing these cards are people who are upgrading from their pascal and turing cards. Or the guys who has extra money that always upgrades their 90/80ti series cards each gen which doesn't amount to much tbh.

@Axeiaa

Жыл бұрын

Sure you can, you do it twice. And they did already because the 3060 Ti outperformed the 4060 Ti in some cases as well.

In a nutshell, the 4060 is a notebook GPU, dressed up in a desktop cooler so they can apply a higher clock frequency. It's designed to perform somewhere between a 3060 and a 3060Ti, while costing nVidia less to produce than either of those. The product is all about optimizing nVidia's mainstream profit margins.

@Cyromantik

Жыл бұрын

Ooooh, I get it. It's like what AMD did with the confusingly-named RX 6500 XT.

They're not clowning themselves, the consumers who use the Nvidia badge like a designer handbag are.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

Жыл бұрын

Well said.

@benjaminoechsli1941

Жыл бұрын

Agreed. They're only a clown if no one buys the product. Fortunately, given the sales data this gen, I'm the most hopeful people will skip this nonsense that I've been in years.

@Notyouraveragename

Жыл бұрын

I only use the nvidia brand because amd literally only runs at half the speed for ai without mainstream optimization support for features such as xformers. (Ex: 10-27 steps/second on 250-1000$ nvidia cards, vs 1000$ for 10 steps/second on a 1000$ 7900xtx card.) That said, far from buying into the amd hate, i wish i could buy the vram amounts that amd offers. Nvidia actively holds the ai market hostage with cuda software, YET 8 gb for 300-700R cards is not enough for the models you want to run while the amd cards give 12-16 gb. The problem is they don't have the software to be utilized. And we don't talk about 0.5 step/s intel. Literally in 20x slower ai driver hell even though they have 16 gb cards at very good prices. Nvidia is like a shitty shoe manufacturer who deliberately tapes bricks to their shoes, to make you buy shoes with *slightly* smaller bricks released each year. They could fucking make a 32 gb vram card for just 100$ more on direct vram costs (27$ for 8 gb vram chips at industry price).. Yet they would rather sell you a 700$ gpu with only 8 gb vram that already can't keep up with a 1000-2000$ computer for a 399$ ps5.. They deliberately handicap their models for planned obsolence. Yet because ai is expensive and focus is spent on the hardware 90% of people have, and cuda/tensor cores so important to ai, you're forced to buy nvidia for ai while they literally handicap their models just to force a higher cost 12-16 gb 1000$ card when amd has 16-24 gb vram on their 500-1000$ models.. Sure a shame all that wonderful vram only gets used at 1/3rd the speed with how expensive ai is.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

Жыл бұрын

@@Notyouraveragename well then people who only play games (most of them) should buy AMD, then NVIDIA would actually be bothered to offer more VRAM, but they have 84% market share so they just say fuck you you're buying our stuff anyway why should we give you something extra?

@benjaminoechsli1941

Жыл бұрын

@@Notyouraveragename If CUDA is what you need, AMD has translation layers to run that stuff (HIP / ROCm, depending on your OS). Adoption seems to be slowly improving, so hopefully that stranglehold will be broken over the next few years.

This card would be truly impressive if it's name was 4040 and it had a price to match the name.

@Jameswilliam1982

Жыл бұрын

ikr

@dlsisson1970

Жыл бұрын

More like 4010

@garwynrosser8907

Жыл бұрын

Given inflation in 20 years a 4040 will be the asking price.

@evers6214

Жыл бұрын

I think 4050 would make sense for this gpu. Looking at it reminds me of the 1050, and 1650 class. And it is gobs faster than a 3050. You are correct needs to be cheaper like $219

@dingo23451

Жыл бұрын

@@dlsisson1970 hold your horses there

This card would have made a very nice 4050 at $199.

@extreme123dz

Жыл бұрын

$159*

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

Just wait 4050 to be released at $250! 😂

@MurCurieux

Жыл бұрын

+1

@marcm.

Жыл бұрын

Precisely

@TheTeek

Жыл бұрын

This!

This proves once again that Nvidia is not desperate to sell GPUs at all at the moment. They're just doing what's necessary to stay in the game while making big money with AI.

@Grimmwoldds

Жыл бұрын

NGreedia is milking their days as the NN hardware provider. Pytorch is going hardware agnostic where previously it had been heavily CUDA-centric. NGreedia does not have the ability to stack RAM on die, while AMD and Intel do. NGreedia does not have an x86 license, and they've banked on tensors rather than FPGA technology. They're trying to get money now, because it'll be A LOT harder to get that datacenter money when there are better choices.

@strongforce8466

Жыл бұрын

@@Grimmwoldds For future gens you mean about Pytorch ? or will they upgrade it to make it work better with AMD GPUs, would be cool because Stable Diffusion doesn't seem so good with AMD from what I seen

@jasonking1284

Жыл бұрын

@@Xcepter I am not paying any damn subscription. I want to own my hardware not rent some else's.....

@Nafipon

Жыл бұрын

@@Xcepter you can comfortably play fast games with 4k 120fps on local hardware, but for fast paced games latency of cloud will be horrible no matter fps, compression artefacts also will detract from picture quality and we come back to choice of cheaper with quality issues or more expensive and better quality (faster, clear and so on) that we have now with hardware tiers so cloud doesn't really look like suitable solution

@alexrusu6417

Жыл бұрын

@@Xcepter True , a billion is a billion !

I honestly can't wait for the 96 bit, 6 gig desktop 4050 to be reviewed it'll be a guaranteed laugh.

@AustinTechAuthority

Жыл бұрын

But but the higher cache helps right?

@desertfish74

Жыл бұрын

I'm predicting that my rx580 will outperform that trainwreck of a card

@weiqianglin1314

Жыл бұрын

Can't wait for AMD to smash the 4050 with their next APU

@gamerdon6

Жыл бұрын

@@weiqianglin1314 nic one🤣

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

I predict that the 4050 could save you up to 160 euros in 4 years in Germany. I'll be a tremendous investment.

The RTX 4060 is beat by the RTX 3060 Ti, actually insane. Nvidia needs to realize that frame gen does not make up for bad performance, and that 99% of games do not use frame gen, and literally anything other than gaming doesnt benefit from it either, raw performance matters.

@tourmaline07

Жыл бұрын

This is embarassing. I'd expect an RTX 4060 to at least be as fast as the *3070* for $300 , and more like the 3070ti.

@einarcgulbrandsen7177

Жыл бұрын

Old 3060Ti and 3070 seems to be a better choice here if the price of 4070 is too high and you dont need the extra VRAM.

@bumperxx1

Жыл бұрын

It's not insane these people want their 4080 graphics card for $400 cuz their cry babies

@phrog.4809

Жыл бұрын

@@bumperxx1 a 4000 series card can't even beat the 3000 series Ti version card from the same tier, that's not even defendable.

@Welly_FS1

Жыл бұрын

@@tourmaline07 4060 with 12gb and 3070 perf for 300$ sounds fair.. but hey this is ngreedia xD

The more you buy the more you save is the most insulting thing Nvidia has come up with so far. 8Gb in the next 4 years. Enjoy that paperweight. One of the best reviews with GN as always. Thanks Steve and Steve!

@AyataHiragi

Жыл бұрын

You always gotta watch out when companies come up with weird slogans like that. Its always a sign that their product is shit

@edraburhdohr667

Жыл бұрын

Steve²

@ffwast

Жыл бұрын

The grain of truth is that buying the most expensive card means you didn't buy one of the steaming piles they dropped in all the other product levels, that's savings right? 🙄

@tim3172

Жыл бұрын

It was in reference to businesses buying hardware-accelerated AI, video transcoding, etc. etc. The more cards you buy, the more time and money you can save. It had *zero* to do with you and your single GPU.

@wtfbros5110

Жыл бұрын

cant wait for 5060 ti with 6 gb of GDDR8 Vram with more fake frames!

11 years ago, the 60 series GPU was as fast as the second fastest in the previous gen. The GTX 660 was as fast as the GTX 570. That means the RTX 4060 should've been as fast as an RTX 3070 or an RTX 3070 Ti. Instead, this card is barely faster than the RTX 3060, the card it replaces. I am without words.

@wertywerrtyson5529

Жыл бұрын

You don’t even have to go back that far. The 1060 was almost as good as the 980. Beating the 970 easily and had as much VRAM as the 980ti. Instead we get less VRAM than the last generation 😅

@Space-ny6zk

Жыл бұрын

660 compared to 570 did not have new technologies like DLSS 3.0 and better support for ray tracing. No one will work for free and even more so at a loss.

@Space-ny6zk

Жыл бұрын

​@@wertywerrtyson5529Does the 3060 Ti have more video memory?

@wertywerrtyson5529

Жыл бұрын

@@Space-ny6zk No the 3060 had more than the 4060 was my point. The 3060ti was also released years ago. Everyone said it was a good deal at launch. But games are more demanding now.

@Pushing_Pixels

Жыл бұрын

Here's a word: pathetic.

It’s impressive how the 4060 makes AMDs rx6650xt and rx6700xt look even better than they already did.

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

I have an RX 6700XT that I payed entirely too much for during the crypto crap, but at 1440p it is such a trooper. Set textures to max, terrain geometry to high or very high, character geometry to very high or ultra and shadow detail to medium or high, and even the latest AAA titles crank out 90-120FPS as easy as pie while everything looks amazing.

@drago939393

Жыл бұрын

​@@andersjjensenThe benchmarks in this video kinda refute what you're saying tho.

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

@@drago939393 No. These benchmarks run Ultra and nothing else. Texture resolution does not affect performance (provided there is memory bandwidth to spare), but everything else does. Lowering geometric detail ("triangle count") frees up compute power to run pixel shaders faster, etc, etc. Try the above general recipe yourself and see how little it affects visuals and how much it boosts performance.

@civilian142

Жыл бұрын

You reminded me that these cards are competing against 2~3 year old cards. and not winning....

@Karibanu

Жыл бұрын

Not shown in this review, but it makes the Arc A750 look good in some scenarios too - and with Intel drivers absolutely sucking that can only get worse for the green card... If only AMD had a competent marketing department rather than a blindly reactive one.

All these new releases just keep making the 6700XT look better & better!

@HuntaKiller91

Жыл бұрын

Yup $199 for those is ez purchase Bought mine back in November for $300+ tho

@boufenarafetooh

Жыл бұрын

6600 is the true champion with Less than 200$

@mc_sim

Жыл бұрын

@@boufenarafetooh i got 6600xt for 200$ two weeks ago. used, but pristine condition. best buy ever.

@master0fnone

Жыл бұрын

@@mc_sim Damn bro well in, that is the GOAT price point 100%. Enjoy :)

@being_mr_gamer386

Жыл бұрын

I got a New RX 6700 Non-XT 10GB for 190$ 2 months

I love it when companies show this level of contempt for their customers. It really shows who's got the power in this relationship.

Accurate version of the marketing: “Manufacturing this card costs the environment more damage than holding onto your 3060! Buy it anyway!” Reduce is the first rule of environmental protection for a good reason.

Amazing how many generations of xx60 cards we've had targetting 1080p gaming :D

@robertr.1879

Жыл бұрын

They are still targetting 1080p for the xx70/xx80 series. It's called DLSS / FSR.

@Chrissy717

Жыл бұрын

Which is very funny, because if I remember correctly, the RTX 3060 TI was marketed as a 1440p, high settings 60fps card, sometimes even with raytracing. So theoretically, we actually went a step back in terms of targeted resolution.

@alexg9601

Жыл бұрын

What is both sad and funny is that the RTX 2060S was able to go 1440p30 or 1080p at high refresh rates with high settings in many cases, and now we have a 4060 that can barely handle 1080p60

@Extreme96PL

Жыл бұрын

Fact that 4060 is crap doesnt change that midrange 60 always target 1080p60fps high its midrange if someone want 1440p or 4k ultra with RT high end 80 and 90 models are for that.

@varmastiko2908

Жыл бұрын

4K won't be mainstream this decade. Next decade? Maybe?

Nvidia ignores raster performance, even though that's what 99.9% of games rely on, and only focus on RT + DLSS performance. They're also treating DLSS 3 frame gen like real performance and are saying "Up to 2-3x the performance of [insert older card here]!"

@mapesdhs597

Жыл бұрын

It would be more accurate to say that the raster increases have been so bad because these are not gaming GPU designs anymore and haven't been since Fermi; they are compute designs for Enterprise, the gaming products are just the table scraps. RT/DLSS was just a way of doing something with silicon that was going to be on the die anyway, in a manner that allowed them to cover up for the poor raster gains, something made very clear by Turing. Worse, it isn't even a particularly good implementation of RT either. I was going to say all this tomfoolery by NVIDIA won't stop until gamers let these cards rot on shelves, but now I wonder if NVIDIA just doesn't much care either way, as their sales & margin sights refocus on AI markets, the latest rapidly growing subsection of Enterprise. In theory this should be an opporunity for competition, but AMD is riding the same Enterprise/compute/high-margin bandwagon, they're content by their own admission to just slot inbetween whatever NVIDIA is doing. Some have high hopes that Intel can shake things up; well, maybe, but if so then it's still going to take a long time for that to happen, the NVIDIA mindshare is very strong. I know someone who didn't realise AIB cards even existed, to the extent that he couldn't find his preferred "NVIDIA" card because all he could see on the boxes was MSI, EVGA, Gigabyte, etc. :D

@damara2268

Жыл бұрын

@@mapesdhs597 pascal was still gaming focused, after that tensor cores were added and then doubled fp32 units clearly showing those are architectures designed for compute

@mapesdhs597

Жыл бұрын

@@damara2268 The basic design had already become compute-heavy long before Pascal. What happened after Fermi was NVIDIA crippled FP64 to push pro users away from consumer cards, though of course many pro tasks don't need it (such as the RT3D function used in After Effects back then). Don't confuse Pascal with being in any way a gaming oriented card just because NVIDIA made it by accident more powerful than it needed to be, hence why it's still popular today. This btw is why after Pascal the NVEnc abilities in these consumer products were also scaled back, NVIDIA halved the number of chips on the die. It's also why NVIDIA wanted to kill off SLI, prevent gamers from being able to use two lesser models to achieve the performance of an upper tier SKU (the narrative now is that SLI was terrible, but that's utter nonsense, it actually worked very well for many years, long before anyone gave a fig about frame times). I personally saw from extensive testing how driver changes deliberately ruined SLI performance, especially for older titles. Pro cards do have other features not supported by consumer cards at all, such as a full speed PCIe return path, better cache designs and ECC (also differently optimised drivers such as better AA line drawing support), which is why for some tasks consumer cards cannot be used at all (such as financial transaction processing), but without a doubt Fermi was the turning point in where the tech was heading. It's not the addition of Tensor cores which makes these compute designs; they were already compute-focused long before Tensor tech came along. One can get a better idea of how all this changed over time by looking at the history and evolution of the Titan vs. x80 Ti models, from Maxwell through to Pascal, a constant dance of tempting gamers to buy something at ever inflated pricing which only a short while later gets outdated by a faster model with half the VRAM, a double whammy of marketing (the latter having less longevity of course), with the Titan variants for Pascal completely breaking the original basis for the split in SKUs (Titan X wasn't a full die, yet cost vastly more vs. the 1080 Ti for only a tiny VRAM gain despite having the same shader count).

@robertkubrick3738

Жыл бұрын

@@mapesdhs597 Ai is a scam. Nvidia execs are selling off millions of dollars worth of stock rather than riding it to the top. The execs expect Ai to fail.

@noway8662

Жыл бұрын

Sadly, AMD's supposed new competitor 7600 is vastly inferior when compared to 4060. They're not anywhere near equal value when you look at the entire package. Even 50 bucks less is way too much of an ask. It's abominable that AMD even dares to ask 249 for it. It needs to be below 200, if 4060 is 299. Leftover RX 6600's should be lowered to 99 bucks and become a proper entry-level GPU.

The 4060 at $300 would be a great deal IF they called it the 4030 title it deserves and charged $120 that 150mm² dies have historically sold for.

@arkgaharandan5881

Жыл бұрын

really? Id say its a 4050.

Nvidia keeping with the “for the price of three tiers higher we will let you brag you have a card named two tiers higher”.

This should have been the 4050 and it would have been great. The 4060/4060Ti is probably the first time we have seen a drop in Shaders/TMUs/ROPs compared to last gen, which puts them in the 4050 category.

@MrYatagan

Жыл бұрын

100%

@bmanrockwell2174

Жыл бұрын

Yep

@deansmits006

Жыл бұрын

It seems like Nvidia's main move was to reduce the size of the die, and make up for the performance hit with DLSS3. And then bring all pricing up a tier. I don't know how this is a good strategy

@boredgunner

Жыл бұрын

The 4060 Ti is the real 4050. This is even lower.

@danielcobia7818

Жыл бұрын

I suspect that these were going to be 4050 and 4050 Ti (same ridiculous price though) before the rage over the "4080 12 GB" fiasco. As several people have mentioned it's (the 4070 Ti) the same product, it just has a different name. So, they moved everything around in their stack naming wise is my assumption. But kept the same outlandish prices. These smell about as sweet as "roses"

Christ... I'm glad I actually went with a 6700 XT and switched from Team Green to Team Red because some of these results are abysmal! Paying that little bit extra for a 6700 XT really was worth it looking at these results.

@user-ey9xi9dq6l

Жыл бұрын

In Russia, 6750хt pulse can be found at a price of 4060.

@DimkaTsv

Жыл бұрын

​​​​​@@user-ey9xi9dq6l we still have heavy upsell on all of these because of supply line nuances. But it is only if compare to EU, US, or China prices basically, witin country yes, 6700/6750 are beasts. But yeah, 6750xt or 3060ti are much better choises right now... And 3060ti is just about 5% more expensive if you want all Nvidia stuff. P.S. Owner of 6750XT AORUS

@o0Donuts0o

Жыл бұрын

My 6800XT will have to run for another 5 years considering I bought it during the height of the card price hike. Then again I had 970 when it was released and lasted me fine till the 6800XT.

@fandomkiller

Жыл бұрын

nvidia cheaping out on vram is disgusting. i hate my 3070ti

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

@@fandomkiller Yeah, that one in particular must sting. Good powerful card, and if you bought it after the crypto crash also reasonably affordable when looking at the performance on offer. But now it's just dead in the water, and looking at the system requirements for a lot of exciting upcoming titles, it's not just going to be dead in the water, but outright six feed under.

What I am astonished by is how close in some cases the RX 6800 is to the 4070 even. While being nearly 150 euro cheaper.

@robertkubrick3738

Жыл бұрын

And the 6800 is clocked way too low and easily overclocks.

@Goldthius

Жыл бұрын

@@robertkubrick3738 Very much agreed easily 2400mhz and 2075 VRAM, but I do understand this is rasterized out of the box performance. Otherwise they could do that for every card.

@robertkubrick3738

Жыл бұрын

@@Goldthius They do sometimes give overclocked numbers. I think the RX6800 is a special case in how greatly underclocked it is, undervolted out of the box in comparison to the rest of the AMD line.

@hadifelani

11 ай бұрын

​@@robertkubrick3738 true, my 6800 is rated at 1025 mv by default. But I still undervolt it further to 900 mV anyway 😂.

@robertkubrick3738

11 ай бұрын

@@hadifelani Mine isn't completely stable under a torture test at 900mv so I run mine at 935mv. I don't feel like I'm missing out on anything.

The most impressive and yet depressive thing is that the RX 6950 XT is 2.6% more expensive per frame than the RTX 4060 and 1.6% CHEAPER per frame than the RTX 4060 Ti.

This is the GPU generation of all time.

@flyingpiglet

Жыл бұрын

The 4060 is without a shadow of a doubt, one of the GPU's of all time.

@davidbrennan5

Жыл бұрын

They gimped almost every card in some way.

@armed_but_blind2768

Жыл бұрын

You are correct this really is one of the generations of all time

@nicollasdx

Жыл бұрын

definetely one of the nvidia's launched gpus

@Chris-hw4mq

Жыл бұрын

No wonder they released it in july, just ewaste.

Nvidia knew exactly what it was doing. The real people who "clowned themselves" are the people who did those "preview" videos on Nvidia's terms.

@timpatrick564

Жыл бұрын

It's extremely misleading when some of them start a video talking about how "awful" it is that these companies force embargo of reviews until day before, or day of sale and keep consumers from making educated choices. Then all that reviewer does is present ONE GAME that the company has best optimized their card for and running SPECIFIC card software configurations while doing it. You can make as many jokes in your video about not being an Nvidia 'shill' as you want, but if you are doing PR for them to mislead consumers all because you hope to make money by having an EARLY RELEASE VID. Hardware unboxed, Gamers Nexus, hell LTT *WENT HARD* on the 4060 and turned off DLSS 3.0/Frame gen just showing how weak the HW improvements are. The stuff coming out today shows the actual ability of the 4060.

@emlyndewar

Жыл бұрын

Their brain dead fans won’t notice. Probably gobbled it up and will be eagerly awaiting their 4060, so they can save a few quid on electric.

@mchonkler7225

Жыл бұрын

Jayz2Shekels comes to mind.

@NGreedia

Жыл бұрын

@@mchonkler7225 well, he did have a video praising the 4060ti although it wasn't Jay himself only to retract it later lol. Gotta wonder if Nvidia is paying them or threatening to blacklist them if they don't prop them up.

@sownlengoc

Жыл бұрын

​@@timpatrick564how many games support dlss and frame gen?

You know the marketing is struggling to sell you something when they have to not only make up performance numbers, they even have to put in power efficiency in the mix and tell you how much money you will safe on your electric bill over the course of 4 years 😂

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

The card will pay for itself in only 12 years!

@conyo985

Жыл бұрын

LOL! I save money on my electric bill by not using a PC. What the heck is Nvidia smoking?

@eventhorizon9598

Жыл бұрын

But forgetting about the fact, that you will already cry about the poor performance of you outdated GPU in just one year. :D

It would be really nice to have ARC cards included in this comparison, as they are around the same price range.

@drek9k2

Жыл бұрын

Courage is a weird word for greed

Finally the RTX 4050 is here!

@tma2001

Жыл бұрын

and great value! /s

@MrYatagan

Жыл бұрын

100%

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

And at wery affordable price! 😂

4050 renamed to 4060 while asking for 4070 price.

@NamTran-xc2ip

Жыл бұрын

Since when did 70 series card cost $300?

@c99kfm

Жыл бұрын

@@NamTran-xc2ip Quick Google: The Nvidia GTX 1070 release price (MSRP) was $379 at launch. That's not $300, but pretty darn close...

@mattBLACKpunk

Жыл бұрын

@@NamTran-xc2ip they came really close to that with the 970, apart from that they've always been ~400$ afaik

@MNuggat

Жыл бұрын

​@@mattBLACKpunkgtx 770 was 300 $

@mattBLACKpunk

Жыл бұрын

@@MNuggat 399 according to google

Yep, you guys are truly one of the few last channels that takes Nvidia to task for their B.S. It's much appreciated and a hardy thank you for your honest work.👍

@Phil_529

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much every channel has been giving NVIDIA flak for these cards. NVIDIA marketing frame generation deceptively is just as lame as HWU ignoring the feature outright.

@gamingunboxed5130

Жыл бұрын

​@@Phil_529😂

@Phil_529

Жыл бұрын

@@gamingunboxed5130 What's funny about that?

@seniorAlfredo

Жыл бұрын

yepp. might switch to amd. i dont want to even support this crap

@Karibanu

Жыл бұрын

I got 4 reviews in my subs feed yesterday at the same time, and they all absolutely killed this card. LTT's thumbnail came up in the "related" feed & it looks like even they didn't like it.

Great video! Informative, to the point and well structured. Thanks folks!

Wow, so it has an incredible 2GB more vram than my 1060 I bought 6 YEARS AGO. Great stuff.

@danilov114

Жыл бұрын

And that 6gb on 1060 cost more than 8gb on this brick.. Damn LED strips or Fans cost more this days...

@shyboy2112

Жыл бұрын

So?

Steve, I think I figured it out why Nvidia is so focused on power savings. It's because the card is so underpowered that people won't even bother playing games on it. Thus they will save money on their energy bill. It's genius I tell you. LOL

@ETophales

Жыл бұрын

But that's only if you don't play 10-20 hours a week for 4 years.

@otozinclus3593

Жыл бұрын

The 4000 series focuses on efficiency to make the RTX 4090 possible. The 4090 already consumes 450w, imagine thex had a less efficient node for it. And because they chose that node for the 4090, everything else has to follow Currently Nvidia doesnt *want* high sales. They want high margins. Thats because they make most profit with professional GPUs and due to the AI boom these are at very high demand. So, instead of selling small margin consumer GPUs, they overprice these GPUs and focus the production on the professional cards. Out of a business view, this move is a smart one. Though, it ofcause absolutely sucks for consumers, because if Nvidia raises the price, AMD happiely does as well

@RobBCactive

Жыл бұрын

​​​@@otozinclus3593come off it, Nvidia could have used a cheaper node for mainstream. The 4090 value proposition is set against over priced cards previous gen and the failure of AMD RX 7900/xt to meet its performance goals. They basically have screwed the pooch on the whole range, just keeping the more money than sense crowd happy.

Now we know EXACTLY why EVGA went bye bye. They saw this coming. It all makes sense now.

@iikatinggangsengii2471

8 ай бұрын

lol

Hi Steve! I appreciate the work of all you various Stevens. Would it be possible to squeeze into your schedule testing RTX4060 PCIe 3 vs 5 - for all us plebs who can't be arsed (afford or similar) to upgrade the entire platform. The 8x lanes on PCIe 3 might be limiting and let's be honest it is common to upgrade the GPU every 2 to 3 gen but leave the CPU and MOBO the same for 5+ gens.

Remember when a GTX 1060 was better than GTX 970 and had the same amount of Vram of previous gen flagship( 980 Ti) you see how much the difference is now? We are getting less vram and even slower performance sometimes 😂

@stanleysmith7551

Жыл бұрын

The good old days. I miss 2016.😅

@sirab3ee198

Жыл бұрын

Nvidia learned from its mistakes, we will never see something like a GTX1080TI also. They play the game of planned obsolescence.

@boufenarafetooh

Жыл бұрын

​@@sirab3ee198man, Pascal was just ahead of its time and it's definitely the best Nvidia generation imo

@romero9274

Жыл бұрын

@@sirab3ee198 4090 is the new 1080ti. But they somehow managed to more than double the price while also convince everyone that it's the best value card.

The problem with nvidia this gen is the wrong branding name of it's product : RTX 4060 is actually an RTX 4050 4060 Ti is a 4050 Ti/ 4060 4070 is a 4060 Ti 4070 Ti is a 4070 They are just manipulating names just to justify the MSRPs

@jadedriviera7402

Жыл бұрын

It would have been worse if the “4080 12GB” had actually been launched. They had every intention of screwing us even further

@ilya1998tnk

Жыл бұрын

Considering previous gen there is conclusions that: 4070ti - 4060 ti 4070 - 4060 4060ti - 4050 ti 4060 - 4050 Based on memory bus, size and power draw.

@DrakkarCalethiel

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. GPUs are all at least one stack down from what they are getting marketed as. Ph, and the price is one tier higher. Seriously, I hope the worlds economy crashes, hard. Everything is unjustified high in price.

@notwhatitwasbefore

Жыл бұрын

Old news thats what happened when they moved from top card being an 8 to it being a 9. I mean you are spot on its just way way too late

@nayan.punekar

Жыл бұрын

Same with amd

how many years before you will need to replace the card due to the loss of performance?

I like that Antec case in the promo spot, I'm thinking of grabbing that and the Sonic Z790 for a new build, since it has glass panels on both sides.

@Dane-ep8bb

Жыл бұрын

Don't usually comment but I have this case and its a dream to build in so easy and spacious it's best case I have owned and I've had a few to say the least!

You guys should do a video comparing the 10, 20, 30 and 40 series of the 60 card's to see how generations have compared against eachother

@cracklingice

Жыл бұрын

But do you use the real 4060s they're calling 4070s or the 50 class cards they're calling 4060s?

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

Жыл бұрын

also compare both VRAM models to see how fucked the lower models are.

@SabsWithR

Жыл бұрын

Pretty much every new gen, the lowest tier card (excluding xx50 series) is on par with the highest or second highest tier card of previous gen for lower price. And then there's the 40 series where the same class of card is slower than it's previous gen version for higher price

@eradication541

Жыл бұрын

2060 is the last good xx60tier card t till some new tech come out till then just trash xx60cards edit:xx60 cards where equal to previous gen xx80 now not even close t o that looking at you 3060 and 4060 :'D

@raulitrump460

Жыл бұрын

20 30 and 40 are all in the video you can compare them.

Back at Computex, one of the youtubers was taking a GPU factory tour and there was a huge crate full of 6700 XT's waiting to be built. I didn't understand why, with all these new releases just out and coming up, why a factory would have a bunch of 6700 XT's on deck to be built...now I understand perfectly.

@josh4434

Жыл бұрын

6700XT is the best bang for the buck card of these two generations by far. Great cards

@TheOriginal_BigMac

Жыл бұрын

Such a great value proposition - I love my 6700XT

@josh4434

Жыл бұрын

@@TheOriginal_BigMac I had one for almost a year after they first launched. Loved it. Was able to upgrade to a 6950XT eventually and I love that too lol

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

Because AMD told TSMC to run full steam ahead on production of Navi 22. Then the crypto crash happened followed by the post pandemic recession followed by the knock-on effects of Russia's inhumane stupidity, and woopsie, the market tanked. But the problem is that the lead time of N6/N7 wafers is 5 months. I shit you not. It takes 5 months from wafer start to packaged silicon. So from the time AMD pulled the emergency brake until crypto-level-volume stopped pouring in was 5 months. What I don't get is why AMD even bothered with the 7600 when they're sitting on mountains of Navi 22 and Navi 23 silicon that needs to be palmed off first. They're clearly working their way through Navi 21 stock, as those aren't nearly as universally available anymore. But 22/23 is available in abundance, and will clearly be so for a while to come. If AMD had just waited a longer, and then given the 7600 16GB (clam-shell configuration like the 3090/4090), they could have made a compelling case.

@robertkubrick3738

Жыл бұрын

Because they stopped production of the 6800 and 6800XT. The much cheaper to build 6700XT and 6750XT are projected to fill that gap...but they really can't.

It would have been nice to see the ARC A770 16 GB included in these charts.

can the 3060 ti be upgraded to dlss3 or is it a hardware thing?

The new 4040 looks good. A bit too expensive tho...

For gaming, $310 6700XT FTW. Talk about DOA. If I do need CUDA, there's always the $270 3060 12GB. "The more you buy, the more you save" is for real lmao. I'll not be surprised if the 4050 turns out to be worse than the 8GB variant of the 3060.

@HanSolo__

Жыл бұрын

*THIS* in fact was their real RTX 4050 graphics.

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

At this point the 4050 will have 6GB.

@juanford55

Жыл бұрын

If the 4060 cant even beat the 3060Ti have for sure that the 4050 will be toe to toe with the 3060 8GB at best...to me is totally a generation to skip if you have a 30 series gpu or a high end 20 series.

@AncientED5

Жыл бұрын

@@DioBrando-qr6ye it's been leaked that it will actually have 6gb

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

@@AncientED5 LOL, the meme is getting true.

Did anyone try out the Rx 6700xt in premiere pro and how would it compare the 4060 or 3060ti?

will there be any 4060 12GB varient to look for in the fututre

I thought I would be playing games in 4K resolution with photo realistic graphics by now... But Nvidia still makes expensive GPUs for 1080p 😡

@thefury4815

Жыл бұрын

I’m new to the pc space and don’t understand why people like them. I got a 6950 xt and it kicks the 4070 in the balls in anything that isn’t ray tracing and they’re the same price.

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

AMD too. Not even the arrival of Intel managed to break the AMD/Nvidia cartel, it's baffling.

@jacobmansfield-go9fz

Жыл бұрын

I thought my second build/upgrade was going to put me at 1440p consistently. Game devs are partially to blame for terrible optimization, they release games that look about like 360 titles and take 5x the computing power to run.

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

@@thefury4815 I'm into PCs since the late 90s and I ask myself the same question. Back in the days Nvidia didn't benefit from such huge favoritism. It's only in the last few years that the average gamer started to see AMD (previously ATI) as "the inferior brand", the second rate stuff.

@XLIIVideos

Жыл бұрын

sweet sweet graphics at 4k will set you back just shy of 2000$ (for the gpu that is) :D

The 4060 launch is the greatest ad campaign for the RX 7600

@Collin_J

Жыл бұрын

I never thought that card would look competent, but here we are

@yellowflash511

Жыл бұрын

So it's for the first time Nvidia is doing what AMD does everytime at launch

@Andras889

Жыл бұрын

and the 6700XT, and the 3060Ti

@user-gw2ws8lh2w

Жыл бұрын

you know, 7600 is too close to 6600xt

@RatBotEins

Жыл бұрын

You really shouldn't be buying a 7600 either.

The idea of a new midrange card targeting 1080p at this point is pretty silly. The only people gaming at that resolution are those working with ultra high framerates, or those very little cash to spend at all (and very hard up indeed considering how little a decent 1440/165hz display can be had for these days, I picked up a S2721DGF for $250 USD on a sale). Neither of these buyers are in the market for a $300USD GPU with marginal gains over the previous gen.

My GTX 970 is on it's last legs and I think I cannot postpone update anymore. Would MSI RTX 3060 Ti at 370 Euro be a good value?

"Nvidia is saying, 'Spend $300 now to save (up to) $100 on your electric bill over 4 years!' Truly a 'the more you buy, the more you save' situation." I would say Steve didn't have to do 'em like that, but he did, so thank you, HUB crew for your dedication to calling these companies out on their crap. 😆

@you2be839

Жыл бұрын

I'm just shocked that Nvidia didn't take the opportunity to "inform" potential buyers that if they purchase 2 RTX 4060 graphics cards, they could save over $200 on the electricity bill over the course of 4 years!

Worth noting that the real pricing of the 7600 has dropped to 250-260, giving it roughly equal cost per frame to the 6650 XT on average. Considering the huge uplift in MW2, AV1, etc, I'd go for the 7600. More games could end up optimizing for RDNA3, amd the 7600 will pull further ahead.

@yellowflash511

Жыл бұрын

Exactly they should've just launched at 249 🤦 And here we go Nvidia doing the same thing but way worse at 299

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

AMD lost an opportunity to put 12GB on the 7600, it would have cost them next to nothing and would have been a huge selling point.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

Жыл бұрын

AMD being really smort out here launching cards at terrible MSRPs then having them be appropriately priced retail.

@imnotusingmyrealname4566

Жыл бұрын

​@@DioBrando-qr6yeYup, they are really good at shooting themselves in the foot.

@mikidof

Жыл бұрын

@@DioBrando-qr6yemaybe the 7600xt will have 12 gb of vram and 10% higher fps for $300 msrp

Now I'd like to see all these mid range cards in tests with older systems without PCI-Express 4.0 and Resizable BAR, like a second generation Ryzen or a tenth generation Core i, since mid range cards usually were good options to upgrade in old computers and in this generation this isn't the case anymore.

The more I watch these reviews, the more I feel lucky to have found a 3060 TI at December 2020 close to MSRP, before scalpers got their hands on them. That 3060 TI was on par with 2080 Super, a two tier upward generational leap compared to previous generation. And it can still hold its own against 4060 TI at 1440p. It's just sad for the 40 series.

Thanks for the RTX 4050 review!

imagine when the 1060-2060 was the budget play to introduce gamers to fast paced gaming at a budget price? No? Just me?

@master0fnone

Жыл бұрын

@@drunkhusband6257 If I remember correctly the 1060 dropped sub $200 really quick and the 2060 ~$280 after a bit of time. Am I wrong in saying that these days there seems to be some reluctance from Nvidia in dropping prices?

@cc0767

Жыл бұрын

Am I getting old or are you just young, because the 2060 was even worse than this

@tpf92

Жыл бұрын

2060 (And 2000 series as a while) was terrible value, while it was a fairly large uplift in performance, it was a $350 GPU, a $100 increase from the previous gen. It was considered more like a 1070ti replacement as it was slightly faster while being slightly less expensive.

@afelias

Жыл бұрын

@@drunkhusband6257 Don't forget the 1660 Super at $230. Makes me wish we got x650/x660 +Ti models still.

@PotatMasterRace

Жыл бұрын

10 years ago 300$ would buy you an entry hi-end card like R9 280x...

Great review, thank you for it. And your thumbnail pic title is the best title, and best joke of the day in the same time. Even now I am laughing out loud. Wonder who and from where you find so inciting ones. Is the title a team work too? Creativity and inspiration at your best. Keep posting guys.

Nvidia is trying to sell us a 4050 for $300 and claiming they lowered MSRP. What a joke.

I distinctly remember Nvidia making a big deal about how the Ampere GPUs scaled better as you increased the resolution up as a feature of their "doubled" cuda cores. Now the Ada Lovelace generation somehow has worse resolution scaling than not only Ampere, but even Turing. That's pretty pathetic

@garyb7193

Жыл бұрын

Because bandwidth is as important as cudu cores, maybe more, when it comes to resolution scaling.

One of the problems with Nvidia and AMD is the two main shareholders in both are Blackrock and Vanguard, they can not lose whatever you buy.

@Nokav

Жыл бұрын

its weird how they own everything hmm

@Fractal_32

Жыл бұрын

Well us gamers could buy a majority of the shares and have sway over the company, but we choose not to.

@iwillnoteatzebugs

Жыл бұрын

@@Nokav wowowowo COOL IT with the antisemitic remarks

@mannyc19

Жыл бұрын

@@Nokav isreal debasing all our money via FIAT prInting,aka THEFT..

@ffwast

Жыл бұрын

​@@Nokav oy vey stop noticing things!

dlss is definitely an interesting feature. However, even more interesting is the good and "old" native resolution. Nvidia's aggressive marketing over dlss tries to sell it as if it were something better than native resolution, making people fail to realize that if the graphics card has great performance in rasterization then you don't need image interpolation that generates degradation and reduced response time on input commands.

@tyre1337

Жыл бұрын

and aggressive it is, some tech reviewers already put dlss results on the same chart as raster results and that's exactly what they want

I know you did one before with other cards when Last of Us was first released but I'd love to see a follow up on what living with this card would be like. Do games still chug or have horrible texture drops due to the low VRAM capacity. Sometimes the benchmark numbers don't tell the full story.

What a wonderful 4050! For 100$, maybe even for 90.

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

Don't forget the 130 you'll save in 4 years in Germany. So, make it 230 or even 360 if you plan to keep the card 8 years.

@MrYatagan

Жыл бұрын

За 100 баксов слишком толсто

@sergtrav

Жыл бұрын

@@MrYatagan 1050, как говорит Википедия, стоила 109$ - вот красная цена этому недоразумению.

@DioBrando-qr6ye

Жыл бұрын

@@MrYatagan Ну давай уж

@pandemicneetbux2110

Жыл бұрын

Damn, yeah I just realized the f'ing RX 550 was a what, $90 MSRP GPU like 7 years ago? And while it did suck, it was at least I think a, what was it GTX 1050 competitor or something? God...

This week the 7600 has been available for 250 dollars. Probably the best cost per frame

@jelly8594

Жыл бұрын

It is with 4,03 $ per frame. If you can get it for 250$ while the 6600 and 6650xt remain at their price (which I guess they won't).

@eba6949

Жыл бұрын

you can also get the 6600 for 180. Which is $3.67 per frame

Why do you exclude Intel Arc from your benchmarks? Looks really competitive at higher resolutions against the new x60s cards.

Looking forward to that hd textures video.

Like someone else said in another video comment. These cards were designed during the mining craze so the focus was on reduced power consumption without LOSING compute power. Basically we are getting last gen cards with reduced power usage.

@Syping

Жыл бұрын

These cards are terrible for mining, memory bandwidth matters most where the cards suck more than previous gen. When it comes to mining a 5700 XT beats the 6700 XT by a large margin Same will be with the 3060 vs 4060. So the design is more to give gamers less while charging more.

Glad to see real reveiwers sticking around and not shilling out "early" reviews with one cherry picked game to showcase, keep it up!

@iancurrie8844

Жыл бұрын

Yeah jay is a total sellout. He's not on our side.

@DKTD23

Жыл бұрын

​@@iancurrie8844his video out today certainly doesn't seem to be heaping any praises to the 4060

@mattirealm

Жыл бұрын

@@DKTD23 But his video from just a couple days ago was pumping up the card; the preview video. Jay might not be a complete sellout, but he is not nearly as impartial as he claims to be.

How much does 4gb or 8gb extra cost for Nvidia or AMD, to add to these cards ???

Will NVIDIA still have the courage to launch an RTX 4050 in this generation? 🤔

TSMC: we have created this amazing 5nm node for you to play that will allow you to make blazing fast GPU's that will smoke the last generation and bring back the spirit of the GTX 10 series! NVIDIA bean counters: yeah uh, about that second part..

Now I want to see this tested on PCIe 3.0 because it's 4.0 x8 I wonder how much performance gets reduced if any

@bmanrockwell2174

Жыл бұрын

Me too, I would like to know this also.

@DragonOfTheMortalKombat

Жыл бұрын

4060Ti was worse than 3060Ti in that config, 4060 will get destroyed, not just because of less PCIe lanes, but also less VRAM.

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

Don´t even consider this with PCI 3.0…

what is best rtx for graphic design?

“The more you buy, the more you save” is always hilarious. 😂

Behold! The RTX 4050!

Both this and the 7600 need to be under 200 USD to be even in the conversation. Their die sizes tell the whole story of where they should be positioned and priced.

@andersjjensen

Жыл бұрын

You need to tell TSMC that. All EUV nodes (N6 and onwards) are significantly more expensive per wafer than the shrink makes up for. If the 7600/4060 had been 12GB cards I don't think a $250/$270 asking price, respectively, would have been completely stupid. I mean, I pay 17% more for bloody milk than I did 2 years ago and I can't imagine this isn't also inflation to varying degrees on the prices for copper, aluminium and the other components of the card itself. But $300 for a 1440p card that can't play 1440p is just absurd regardless of the die size.

@gatocochino5594

Жыл бұрын

?? Navi 23 and Navi 33 have almost the same die size.

Frame generation enabled in that 4060?

AMD and nVidia both seem to be laboring under the impression that we're all still desperate to buy anything that can output a signal to a monitor.

Thank you HUB for some of the most comprehensive and thorough reviews. Another great review and we greatly appreciate all the hard work it takes while testing

Prices should be the following: RTX 4060 TI 16gb $250 RTX 4060 TI $199 RTX 4060 8gb $150 RX-7600 $140-$145 What a joke. Keep holding out and make them drop their prices. 8gb of VRAM/bus and performance isn't enough for this price!

@F_youtube_rassist_cencure

Жыл бұрын

AMD should release 7400xt with 16gb of ram - 99$. all children who consider themselves experts in IT will be delighted)

@ComputerProfessor

Жыл бұрын

@@F_youtube_rassist_cencure if the GPU is 20% faster than the 6400 xt and had 8gb of vram I'd call that a very good deal. 16gb there would be zero profit and they'd be losing money.

@NamTran-xc2ip

Жыл бұрын

They all should be free then 🤣🤣

Few years ago before RDNA 2 I said the 3070 didnt have enough Vram and that Amd would compete with the 3080 and even 3090. People called me crazy. 6700xt still the best card to get for the price😊

I think this is not a bad card, but yeah, not for 300$ US. It is great to see a significant power consumption reduction (3060 takes 50% more than this, that is a big difference!), and of course it has next gen DLSS which also neat. However, I see this strictly a 1080p card, for which it could be excellent if offered at a lower MSRP and a xx50 moniker. Marketing really misfired here...especially with that savings projection....omg...I really care about power consumption (because I like silence), and I underclock/optimise everything in my rig, but that blurb was really painful even for me.

No one seems to be trying harder to get rid of their fan base than Nvidia

Thank you Steve and team for making these videos and all the effort that goes into them even though this generation graphics cards are basically a joke. I am grateful for you for always keeping us informed!

nvidia: But look at how fast the new 4060 can "halucinate" frames!

Nice review, seems like people should just scoop a 6700XT. I thing I have been saying for a bit now. Appreciate you guy's consistent attention to detail on these new product releases.

This has to be the first time a XX60 class GPU has lost to the older gen GPU! Every new GPU this Gen makes me think EVGA saw what was coming, kind of sad.

NVIDIA at 3000 series launch: "Look, 8k gaming is the future." NVIDIA in the future: "Pay us big bucks to play 1080p..."

@haukikannel

Жыл бұрын

= profit!

Shouldn't we test at high settings instead of ultra for 60 class card??

Apparently you can now get the 6700xt at close to 300$ now, to me that's the best buy of current gpu's on the market especially with it's 12gb of vram.

Is it just me, or did I see the previous gen 6950xt beating the 7900xt and 4070ti in a few scenarios? That just blows my mind. And then I see that the cost per frame at current sale prices puts the 6950xt right next to the 4060 in the list. "Shut up and take my money" comes to mind. 🤣

@jasonking1284

Жыл бұрын

Actually it's "Shut up and give me your money" these companies are saying....

I hope at the end of autumn we will still see a refresh in the form of super versions, as was the case with the failed rtx20 * 0 series.

But what is is like on PCI 3?

Kinda wondering if it's worth it over the 6650 xt, with dlss 3 and better rt in the mix

@TonyChan-eh3nz

9 ай бұрын

1. FSR 3.0 exists and is an option 2. Good luck using rt on that, you are still getting a slideshow, just slightly smoother on Nvidia. By a slideshow is still a slideshow. 3. 6650xt should be much cheaper

@MrVybson

9 ай бұрын

@@TonyChan-eh3nz dlss is better + has more support yeah, but some games don't have such a big performance hit using rt dunno, kinda 50/50 for me

@TonyChan-eh3nz

9 ай бұрын

@@MrVybson If rt isn’t too big of a hit, it’s not too heavy of a load, and the 6650xt can also do that. Also, fsr is getting better, and afmf also exists if you are interested in that.

Man that was rough 😂 great job guys. Quality content as always!

This channel is my favorite for reviews and other tech content. Great work guys!

can you please include intel arc in the grphs as well ! thank you

they really just took a step back in performance and took a massive leap in price