Why do firefighters cut holes in the roof of a building on fire? This is called "venting the roof". There are two basic reasons for this practice. Dangerous superheated gases and dark smoke accumulate in a burning building. Unlike the movie versions of fires, it is impossible for firefighters to see in such an environment or for victims to survive. When a hole is made in the roof, and the building is “vented,” the smoke and gases escape because heat and smoke rise. It increases the victim’s chance for survival and makes it much easier for the firefighters in the building to see. It also reduces the possibilities of backdraft (explosion) and flashover - two very dangerous conditions for firefighters inside the building. Another reason for venting the roof is to see how far the fire has progressed. One of the fastest avenues through which fires spread is the attic. Heat and smoke rise into the attic where the fire can move quickly. Firefighters may go ahead of the fire on a roof and cut holes to access the attic to stop the fire from spreading through the attic.

@douglas2lee929

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for explaining.

Kudos to multiple jurisdictions of law enforcement responding & working together. We were always thankful & grateful for their presence and just when you needed them as not all homeowners were cooperative. I pounded on a door one day to tell them to get out and received a 1 finger salute & the door slammed in my face.

I get a kick of all the living room couch fire fighters on here. Doubt any of you would ever consider even joining a volunteer force.

Why do they need 3 Officers and a State Trooper standing around?

Nice job FFs! Great job on video as well.

I just hope that everyone got out safely.. But good response and a very fast take down. Love from Marysville, California

Good video, and kudos to the fire department for fast action and stopping the spread of the fire!

Well done video. Steady clear footage. Looked like a good response and fast take down.

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching.

Great video thank you

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching!

Looks like a well trained team they hustled they knew what to do. Great job to all.

Thank you for video

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for watching.

Great video. I'm not from NY, but I have FF family in the Poughkeepsie area and I have an idea about fire districts, villages, etc. Was there an issue with Endicott responding out of the village and into West Endicott's district?

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't an issue, rather, it's encouraged. Due to West Endicott's geographic size and population, they are incredibly short on volunteers and were even on the verge of being closed down at one point. Due to this, they receive automatic mutual aid from Endicott for fires and whatnot.

Very nice video!

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

Thank you!

I am happy to see how fast they are attacked the fire directly after arriving at this place. No wait, no talk only, no police officers/cars in way, aso.

Great stop by the first due Eng & Truck ! Looks like they went with fast water and did a hell of a job knocking down the fire on there own ! I'm assuming the truck had a light crew ? Reason I say that is the Interior team went right to work and the truck was basically useless after that which is fine if your short on manpower. The truck I assume is a quint of some kind because they seemed more concerned with a water supply then Truck work ! Which I personally don't like because I've been there , my dept had one also. I would still prefer one or the other but you have to work with what you have and they did a Awesome job doing just that... im not sure why they were cutting the roof so late in the fire or for what reason that was but im sure they had one... All in All Great Job Fellas and awesome work by the 2 first due rigs going right to the fire and knocking it down...Great save and great work ! Nice to see !!

My house was next to the fire. But no one was hurt thank God

@kc5hgv

Жыл бұрын

That is heartbreaking to see that home burning. Yes, that is great that no one got injured or killed.

@sladewilson9741

Жыл бұрын

Send Speidi sauce.

Thank God for Vollies...

@wilson4180

Жыл бұрын

You can tell tell by the way they walk a lot of those vollies are getting old and no one’s replacing them.

@fighterpilot5105

Жыл бұрын

@@wilson4180 I saw that, too...

In addition, subdivision 34-a of Criminal Procedure Law 1.20 defines the “geographical area of employment” of a police officer employed by a state agency as “New York State”. Meaning that State Police Officers maintain their jurisdiction throughout all of New York State including the five boroughs of New York City.

@daveadler6112

Жыл бұрын

If people were wondering about the NYS Trooper being there, that is because the house was on the border of a town/village line, where the village (Endicott) has its own police department and the town (Union) does not. The house was in the town. In NYS, if a municipality does not have its own police agency it is covered by the State Police and county sheriff. Only one county (outside of the five in NYC) sheriff's office does not do road patrol, so in that county it is the responsibility of the NYSP if a municipality does not have its own police department.

@EyeWatchThemAll

Жыл бұрын

@@daveadler6112 Sounds like in Pennsylvania, except our sheriff's are primarily for court security and carrying out court orders. Recently, the PSP established a means test (to prevent small towns from dumping to policing on the PSP just to save money), so some areas will contract out policing to one of their neighbors instead.

@thomasallen6980

Жыл бұрын

@@EyeWatchThemAll Ten miles north of Pennsyltucky.

This 1st, 2nd, 3rd alarm system is strange. In Europe and the UK most types of incident have a (PDA pre determined attendance). The crew manager of the first appliance on scene makes an assessment of what additional resources are required and informs control, for example " make pumps 3 and aerials 1 " Should a shift or station manager be despatched they will decide on and if further appliances are required. Seems so much easier to request only the resources needed.

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

Sometimes you gotta expect the unexpected so we in us use alarms 🚨 instead and get all the resources we need by using it and then request different things as needed.

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

Few people really know what it means when they hear about a six-alarm fire. And different fire departments have different guidelines. The Louisville Fire Department catagorizes the fires by the number of firefighters sent to fight the blaze, said LFD spokesman Capt. Sal Melendez One-alarm fire (called a box alarm by LFD): 20 firefighters (five four-person units) and two members of command staff; three pumper trucks and two other trucks. Two-alarm fire: 40 firefighters and four members of comand staff; double the trucks. Three-alarm fire: 60 firefighters, six from command staff. Four-alarm fire: 80 plus eight. Five-alarm fire: 100 plus 10 Six-alarm fire: 120 plus 12 (though by this time the LFD is prepared to dispatch just about everyone and call in other districts).

@jamesaddie4895

Жыл бұрын

Every fire is different. Let's take this fire seems you have one or two rooms on fire you get up there and put it out right. Now what if some one changed the house and it's in the walls and suddenly the wind from hell picks up and now the house next door is on fire now you need more resources than you came with hinch the alarms. Two alarm fire vs a five alarm.

@EyeWatchThemAll

Жыл бұрын

The "alarm system" is a method of staggering your response based on need and experience. Where I live and work, we have the initial alarm, a "working fire dispatch," which sends additional equipment to support the initial response, then 2nd, 3rd, 4th alarms. In the more urban areas, your higher alarms are mostly for manpower to relieve the original firefighters, but in the rural farm areas, the 3rd and 4th alarms may be tankers to secure a water supply where hydrants don't exist. As I said in the beginning, alarm responses aren't set in stone and can be changed as calls are reviewed.

@micronicman

Жыл бұрын

Broome County works by three programmed alarm levels: initial response is a “first alarm”, first level of additional resources is a second alarm, next is third. Additional resources can be requested by incident command depending on the nature of the incident. Broome County is a mostly volunteer area, staffing has become increasingly challenging over the years. Our biggest challenge is manpower even under the best circumstances.

a little humorous watching the firefighter trip on the grass at 2:52. at least he’s alright

@JaCk3D3Y3

Жыл бұрын

I didn't find it funny one bit, glad he's okay but, twisted ankle's throwing hose sucks, been there myself .

@bigln3706

Жыл бұрын

At least he didn’t face plant the hydrant thank goodness

@JaCk3D3Y3

Жыл бұрын

@@bigln3706 I think he may have, but you'd have to zoom in , looks like he may have taken a lil bump maybe on the side if he connected with the inch and a half connection but, it's hard to tell

@bigln3706

Жыл бұрын

@@JaCk3D3Y3 28 years as a FF. I think he missed it and was lucky. We always had a rule no running on the fire ground but you know how that goes. Thanks for your service brother

@JaCk3D3Y3

Жыл бұрын

@@bigln3706 I hope so, and hey, don't thank me, honestly, I loved volunteering for the small town I did my service in , but I never wanted any recognition for that service, I enjoyed helping others for my community

Hopefully everyone was safe. Surprised to see it was daylight at that time of the morning. Does not get light here until 8 a.m.

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

To my knowledge, no injuries were reported.

Why cut a hole in the roof now the fire is out and no heat left in the structure totally unbelievable

Nice 10 minute video

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

I suppose I could’ve cut it down for brevity but that would defeat the purpose of claiming that my content is mostly “uncut”.

6-8 firefighers on scene did the first attack. Hell, they did a good job. 🎩🎩🎩

At 2:50, the fire-fighter was carrying what might be a bucket of wrenches so that he could open up that fire hydrant. It's lucky he didn't fall face first into that hydrant. It appears that he tripped when the toe of his boot and/or foot hit the edge of the street curbing that was covered by the fallen tree leaves. The community street cleaning guys/gals would be cleaning up those leaves at some point in time. It would have helped if the home owner at that corner could at least tidy up that batch of fallen leaves before the street cleaners would have come around and cleaned up that "hidden curb" at the storm-drain street hazard.

@BFD89

Жыл бұрын

Hey he fell right where he needed to be lol

job well done

I'm curious... I understand the venting process and why it is done... but in this case, it seemed the fire was knocked down and there was no longer any smoke coming from the building. Why cut a hole in the roof? When they did, no smoke came out. There certainly were not "super heated gases" at that point. It seems to me (granted I'm just watching a video) their efforts would have been better used getting a couple of fans in the building to clear out any residual smoke. It even looked like the crew that were fighting the fire were now all standing around watching the guys cut the hole in the roof. Seems unnecessary at that point.

@micronicman

Жыл бұрын

A hole was cut to check if the fire had extended into the attic space and how far. The back third of the building is an extension, the attic layout is complicated and tight. With the conditions inside the building there was no way to evaluate what was going on in the attic from inside the structure.

@marlomontanaro3233

Жыл бұрын

@@micronicman cool, that makes sense. Thanks.

Water supplies?

I have asked this before, on other channels, but no one answers me, what does it mean when trucks are setting fighting a fire, 😢 And they blow horns. I hear a single blow, and other times, trucks use a series of blows. Please will someone answer my question? Thank you.

@kadinwilliams

11 ай бұрын

In the event there's a need for the firefighters inside to evacuate the building, a notification will be put out over the radios to do so. Sometimes, the firefighters inside the building cannot hear their radios so the trucks outside will send three long horn blasts to signal to those inside to evacuate. In short, it just tells the firefighters inside to evacuate the building. I hope this answer could help.

@judithwalters8959

11 ай бұрын

@@kadinwilliams , thank you so much. Knowledge is good.

@kadinwilliams

11 ай бұрын

@@judithwalters8959 Glad I could be of assistance!

Any particular reason why a NY Stste Trooper would be dispatched to this?

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

The fire occurred in an area that's covered primarily by NYSP/Sheriff's Office. The reason why the local police were there is because the call was initially thought to have been in their jurisdiction, when in reality it was just outside of such.

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

Also state police have jurisdiction anywhere in New York I believe and can respond to any calls that may arise about their attention.

{MHO no need to open the roof after the fire is out. looks like good cross ventilation already. Maybe I'm just to old from a bygone era.

Lots of "white coats". We can't see them but they got a line in for a quick knockdown!!

Why does it take so long to get water going?

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

Limited personnel, this department only has 4-6 members on at any given time, split across 2 apparatus. In this video, 1 firefighter can be seen establishing the water supply and operating the pumps, 1 firefighter is seen operating as incident commander, 2 firefighters are seen making entry to the residence (presumably for a primary search), and 1 firefighter can be seen pulling and flaking hose lines. Also, water hits the fire by 1:36. While it has been some time since this fire and I've since forgotten some of the details, we can reasonably presume that the primary search was prioritized.

Fire is on second floor... why were the no ground ladder throw. Fire fighter emergency egress is a prioity You never know when a simple fire can go bad

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

23:45 ladders are put up ⬆️

looks like the members did great job ! not sure why a person would show up just wearing a white helmet an street clothes thou ? that the local paper reporter ?

THe chief needs to be at the command post not running around flipping hose

Who messed up the dispatch for Endicott? West Endicott station is exactly one block from that house. Ooops. At least they still got it knocked down quickly though.

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

The intersection at which the incident happened at is right on the Village of Endicott and West Endicott border. Fire department coverage is dictated more so by municipalities rather than distance. The "improperly dispatched (at the fault of no one)" theory is just speculation by me, not so much something that was confirmed by officials.

@daveadler6112

Жыл бұрын

It was not messed up. West Endicott (volunteer) and West Corners (volunteer) were dispatched first as it is in West Endicott's coverage area, and West Corners is automatic mutual-aid. West Endicott's command requested a 2nd alarm, which added Endicott (career), Endwell (volunteer), and Vestal (volunteer).

@micronicman

Жыл бұрын

The line between the village and West Endicott runs right down the middle of the street. The house is on the West Endicott side and the neighbor who dialed 9-1-1 is across the street in the Village. The dispatcher dispatched the department from the callers district. It happens more often than you think. It’s not a big deal.

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

@@micronicman Thank you for the proper explanation!

dont mess with endicott police they will mess you up trust me

Why do they on the roof not use fall protection?? Do they think they cannot fall?

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

Watch roof cutting videos and it will explain your comment.

@hermanvankampen6047

Жыл бұрын

@@marylandemergencyresponses In the Netherlands you are no longer allowed to work unsecured above 2.50 meters.

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

@@hermanvankampen6047 use is very different and there well trained to work on the roof without protection

@hermanvankampen6047

Жыл бұрын

@@marylandemergencyresponses Ok, so they can never fall down in the end....

@hermanvankampen6047

Жыл бұрын

@@marylandemergencyresponses And everyone would like to learn how to use it when they are secured at height

I noticed grandad Jake and aunty Karen are fire groupies, give them a hi-viz and make them " fire marshal's " and let them put strobes on their pick ups and they're happy as Larry.

little late in the fire to start cutting to vent the roof. but i'm not there so, don't know the situation.

@thomasallen6980

Жыл бұрын

The whole area is a chronic flood zone and drug neighborhood. Urban renewal. Someday it will be a pocket park or a community garden after the owner "lets it go for taxes".

Fighting over territory is one of the dumbest thing around. Your there put the damn fire out and fight about it later.

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

I assume you're referring to around 12:10. I don't believe they were "fighting" over territory, in actuality I believe he was just legitimately inquiring as to who/where incident command was. Other than that, I didn't observe any actual fights over territory.

@Allison-ti5vv

Жыл бұрын

They weren't fighting just asking who incident command was. Calm down

@mikehoysler4322

Жыл бұрын

I think I counted 7 white helmets…that’s as many as the FDNY sends. I’m not surprised there was confusion to where the IC was.

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

@@mikehoysler4322 I believe the confusion arose from the fact that the first arriving department was incorrectly dispatched at first, at the fault of no one. The high count of white helmets is just from chief officers responding from the mutual aid departments, it’s just how things flow here.

@micronicman

Жыл бұрын

Mutual aid chiefs in a lot of cases reverted to manpower when responding to mutual aid calls unless given another assignment by the IC.

+Sure is alot of cops around. Must not have had anything to do. Was the state cop necessary.

@daveadler6112

Жыл бұрын

The fire was in an area covered by the State Police and the sheriff (response is whoever is closest)... the side of the street the camera person was on is in the village that is covered by the local PD you see. So yep, the SP was necessary. :)

@michaelrose5079

Жыл бұрын

@@daveadler6112 Thank you for explaining that jurisdiction.

I don't understand why people have to drive into the area were thier is a accident or Fire and get in the way of Arriving Emergency Equipment.

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

There’s a volunteer firehouse very close to the scene, hence why so many cars are passing through.

So, what does the woman in the yellow jacket with the Darth Vader wand do?

👍🌎👍

chief wheres your turnout gear

@firevike2420

Жыл бұрын

What do mean, he has a helmet and jeans on? Good enough! 🤣

no need for trooper to be on scene

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

The incident took place in an area where the state police (and sheriff's office) hold primary jurisdiction, why wouldn't they be there?

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

In addition, subdivision 34-a of Criminal Procedure Law 1.20 defines the “geographical area of employment” of a police officer employed by a state agency as “New York State”. Meaning that State Police Officers maintain their jurisdiction throughout all of New York State including the five boroughs of New York City.

@daveadler6112

Жыл бұрын

The reason for the NYS Trooper is because the house was on the border of a town/village line, where the village (Endicott) has its own police department and the town (Union) does not. The house was in the town. In NYS, if a municipality does not have its own police agency it is covered by the State Police and county sheriff. Only one county (outside of the five in NYC) sheriff's office does not do road patrol, so in that county it is the responsibility of the NYSP if a municipality does not have its own police department. The Endicott police were there as mutual-aid to the State Police and to control traffic in the Village portion of the scene.

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

@@daveadler6112 Either way who cares their state police they can go anywhere they want to and respond any calls whether city county or state as they choose🤷🏽‍♂️

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

@@daveadler6112 hopefully he got the point tho

Give me a good truck company and Engine Company and 10-12 guys and I'll put any house fire out on the planet.

In the UK using the high pressure hose reels and onboard tank firefighters would have water on the fire in under a minute. Meanwhile suction would be run out to the nearest hydrant and dry lines to the house. BTW what is this American obsession with poking holes in peoples roofs. Fans will disperse any smoke logging and the loft area can be checked internally with a thermal imager for any signs of fire spread.

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

With fire being on the second floor and possibly extension into the walls it would run from the basement to the roofline you put a hole in the roof to evaporate the smoke more quicker rather than blowing a fan which could possibly light the whole house on fire if there is still extension and fire that they do not know about Until they complete overhaul assessment is done that’s the reason for the hole in the roof and clearly as you can see the smoke is coming from the roofline which means that there’s smoke in the attic the best way to clear the smoke out of the attic is by putting a hole in the roof

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

Why do American firefighters cut holes in roofs? By opening a large hole in the roof heat and smoke can quickly be removed from the structure. This rapidly improves conditions inside the building, hastening fire suppression.

@micronicman

Жыл бұрын

Building construction is different in the US. Buildings in Europe and the UK feature a much more compartmentalized constructing limiting the ability of the fire to spread. Houses in Broome County are in many cases almost 100 years old and feature something called “balloon construction”. This allows for easy fire extension far from the source of the fire. It’s just what we have to work with.

Hope nobody died of smoke inhalation

@kadinwilliams

Жыл бұрын

As far as I know, no injuries were reported.

There’s no need for roof ventilation!! The fires has been extinguished!!🤦🏽‍♂️

@Allison-ti5vv

Жыл бұрын

To get smoke out. Sit down armchair firefighter

@micronicman

Жыл бұрын

They also needed the hole to check for extension. The layout inside the attic area is tight and complicated.

@Gruntm203

Жыл бұрын

@@Allison-ti5vv trapped smoke? 😂😂

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

Why do firefighters cut holes in the roof of a building on fire? This is called "venting the roof". There are two basic reasons for this practice. Dangerous superheated gases and dark smoke accumulate in a burning building. Unlike the movie versions of fires, it is impossible for firefighters to see in such an environment or for victims to survive. When a hole is made in the roof, and the building is “vented,” the smoke and gases escape because heat and smoke rise. It increases the victim’s chance for survival and makes it much easier for the firefighters in the building to see. It also reduces the possibilities of backdraft (explosion) and flashover - two very dangerous conditions for firefighters inside the building. Another reason for venting the roof is to see how far the fire has progressed. One of the fastest avenues through which fires spread is the attic. Heat and smoke rise into the attic where the fire can move quickly. Firefighters may go ahead of the fire on a roof and cut holes to access the attic to stop the fire from spreading through the attic.

@micronicman

Жыл бұрын

@@JB91710 The damage to the roof was the least of the issues with the building. It was in a condemned state prior to the fire (posted on the front door). The roof was also vented off a roof ladder, a common practice. And, please note, the roof was opened to check for extension, ie, hidden fire in void spaces.

Vollies 🙄

@daveadler6112

Жыл бұрын

The first two apparatus on the scene were from a career department with members of your IAFF (I assume you are IAFF based on your image of an IAFF logo)...

@micronicman

Жыл бұрын

75% of fire and EMS is volunteer. You’re welcome to join us.

Why cut the Roof up / thier is no fire.

@marylandemergencyresponses

Жыл бұрын

Why do firefighters cut holes in the roof of a building on fire? This is called "venting the roof". There are two basic reasons for this practice. Dangerous superheated gases and dark smoke accumulate in a burning building. Unlike the movie versions of fires, it is impossible for firefighters to see in such an environment or for victims to survive. When a hole is made in the roof, and the building is “vented,” the smoke and gases escape because heat and smoke rise. It increases the victim’s chance for survival and makes it much easier for the firefighters in the building to see. It also reduces the possibilities of backdraft (explosion) and flashover - two very dangerous conditions for firefighters inside the building. Another reason for venting the roof is to see how far the fire has progressed. One of the fastest avenues through which fires spread is the attic. Heat and smoke rise into the attic where the fire can move quickly. Firefighters may go ahead of the fire on a roof and cut holes to access the attic to stop the fire from spreading through the attic.