Thank you "Chomsky's Philosophy" for all this great content. I have learnt so much. Please don't stop.

Chomsky's take on "intellectual property" is the same as mine. Public entities do most of the research of importance, then corporate interests buy up the rights and install monopoly pricing. The term has nothing to do with intellect; everything to do with greed.

@foodparadise5792

5 жыл бұрын

@@FrostySnowflake "basic research" LOL... research and development are endless money pit with no guarantee of return...Chinese government put in over a trillion dollar tried to develop their own CPU with no result. Corporations have you pay for it and when the final product comes out, they take over and test it...what a moron you are learn nothing from Chomsky.

@lumtheinvador

3 жыл бұрын

@@FrostySnowflake this doesn't apply for pharmaceuticals but all the technology used in the Iphone was developed in the public sector, the "research and development" put in apple was arranging the tech in a way that was useful to consumers. This still is an achievement but wouldn't have been even thinkable without millions of tax payer dollars developing the technology previously

Finally. I was interested in what he thought of intellectual property, and I'm happy with his response

Great stuff, thanks for making all these clips available. I hope more people are able to find these gems.

If people saw as clearly as Noam Chomsky there would be a swift rebellion against this tyrannical system and something new would come. Not violent rebellion, peaceful but firm.

@beecee1235

5 жыл бұрын

Oh Yes... A Stiffly worded letter to the Times.... that would sort it ALL out.... :)

A man of gigantic heart. A true human being.

vote for Noam Chomsky!

@staatsfeindlich9939

7 жыл бұрын

Drew R Noam is a committed anarchist and would likely refuse to be nominated or take office...my prediction anyway :)

@drewr8604

7 жыл бұрын

staatsfeindlich yes yes, no gods no Masters. I'm very well much aware. thank you.

@drewr8604

7 жыл бұрын

staatsfeindlich I do not believe in hireachy myself.

@drewr8604

7 жыл бұрын

staatsfeindlich I personally think Noam would fit the criteria to help lead us towards socialism with his better logic and understanding of it.

@staatsfeindlich9939

7 жыл бұрын

Drew R Oh I certainly agree. He would...if he considered himself a leader lol

My gratitude and my sacrifice 🙏🏻for your mercy and evaluation for thoughts to the future thoughts of how’s to being better ourselves living together.

0:26 It's called "Free Trade" but is actually highly protectionist 0:47 "Intellectual property" enables monopoly pricing 0:56 for companies, most of their research is funded by the public

All types of intellectual property laws must be fully abolished immediately, in any and all jurisdictions worldwide ✊ As an aside, IP laws were relatively young at Marx’s time. He was unaware of how they worked, so he didn’t address them at all or about how they negatively affect the working class. Against Intellectual Monopoly is the most informative book humanity has on the subject now. Against Intellectual Property is another incredible essay, but it’s written from a right-libertarian perspective so if you’re leftist like me you’ll have to read with an open mind and extract what’s helpful.

I wanna grab this guy's head and give it one big kiss !

Great stuff 🙌

Key word “intellectual”

My favorite snipit.

What a legend. Yeah this person has lots of insight. One can disagree with him, but his insight should be respected and taken into account. He highlights tyranny better than anyone else. Corporations CAN become tyrannies, many Americans ignore this.

April 26th, Happy Intellectual Property Rights Day!

This audio says published June 1, 2017. But is that the date of recording?

@bozo5632

7 жыл бұрын

That's when it was posted to KZread.

@EvgeniyNeutralMusician

4 жыл бұрын

Probably late 90s.

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

3 жыл бұрын

April 22, 2005 at Washington State University. See this transcript:

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

3 жыл бұрын

groups.google.com/forum/m/#!msg/alt.fan.noam-chomsky/ULn_zJNF5NM/PdZZ1C62yRIJ

hear hear

Any piece of work can be looked at as having a probability attached to it with regards to its likelihood of manifesting from a group.

@rustyjohnson5018

7 жыл бұрын

Listers Kat I'd like to know more. What do you mean?

@ShadowsMasquerade

6 жыл бұрын

You're probably talking about that at the end of the day, no matter who funded something, it is the individual or institution that's central to creating that piece of work. I.e. I can be inspired by a certain artist or song in order to create new music... but ultimately it is I who created it and thus, credit belongs to me.

The same way Edison used and kicked Tesla.

I think that a good solution would be for patents to function on a basis of compensation, giving the owner a right to reduced taxes for 10-20 years, and for intellectual property infringement to pay a commission of a few percentage-points on revenue to the owner, only until the death of the original creator.

Does anyone have a source for all of this information? Britain stole all of :Indian technology?

@alexc773

7 жыл бұрын

+Anarchist Funny. I guess. But I think the OP was actually interested in things like sources for those claims. You know, because that's what he said he wanted. Not glib remarks.

@aoeu256

7 жыл бұрын

I need to know this. There is confusing to who invented what in the world for example: Arabic numbers were created by the Hindus not the Arabs. Thomas Edison took credit for inventions of his underlings. Alexander Bell stole the telephone patent from an Italian. The Rockets that the British used in the war of 1812 (the star spangled banner) were originally from the Indians, but I don't know about anything else.

@tinapatton7346

6 жыл бұрын

If Prof Chom says it, you can bank it - but NOT in a U$/UK 'Banksters' BENT bank!

@foodparadise5792

5 жыл бұрын

Indian ancient civilization the Aryan rivaled Babylonians. The Indian epic Vedas have a strong influence on Chinese culture too...Our school never property taught us the right thing because facts hurt the rulers.

@pietzsche

4 жыл бұрын

Its pretty well established that Britain stole all of India, not just their technology

Most People naturally cry out for decency, and good leadership, then they realize they need money... Ok i'm finished now... i'm off back to wallow in the mud....

So how does this line of thought relate to something like the video game industry? Should anyone be able to wholly copy a game and resell it as their own?

@subsonic9854

3 жыл бұрын

They're talking about patents and trademarks, which protect inventions and symbols. Copyright law covers art, books, speeches, movies, etc, and protects anything you or I create from the moment of creation till 50 years hence. Copyright suffers from a completely different can of corrupt worms. Characters like Mickey Mouse and Batman should have fallen into the public domain decades ago, but continue to be protected because their owners have pulled all kinds of magical legal BS. If you're curious, characters like Sherlock Holmes fell into the public domain long ago, which is why he can be in so many books and shows and movies in so many places and now, apparently, even has a sister. To answer your question as to whether games should be freely copied and resold: in my opinion, no. Indie developers would just die out as they would no longer be able to make money. Big companies would lose a lot of money and produce lower quality stuff as their prestige went down, but more importantly, games afaik are not subsidized by the public sector nor are they a public good. They're just entertainment. The purpose of IPO actually holds water for copyright: to allow creators to profit from their work. The issue with big pharma as I understand it is that they profit from the work of others.

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

3 жыл бұрын

SuB SONiC They’re actually just talking about patents here, not trademarks. Chomsky probably would be for trademarks as it allows consumers to see where something comes from and who authored it (though I’m not completely sure). So you seem to be unaware of the massive problems with our current copyright system. I’d recommend you read “The Public Domain: Enclosing the Commons of the Mind” by James Boyle. You can download it for free on his website.

@subsonic9854

3 жыл бұрын

@@user-wl2xl5hm7k A very interesting read. The problems discussed are with regard to abuse of the system, and that, mostly in the USA. Having worked outside of the USA in an IPO office and instructed people on the purpose and benefits of copyright registration, I guess I had assumed too much about our similarities. The main problem of my old office was a lack of copyright registration applicants. In a backwater country, the necessary samples submitted by registrants actually helps preserve their work for posterity and research. Otherwise, it just disappears forever. That said, my opinion on video games / art remains unchanged. Your system must be amended, but before it is, I still won't condone, as asked by OP, someone else copying and reselling another's art / game as their own.

@user-wl2xl5hm7k

3 жыл бұрын

SuB SONiC Sure. I hope you read the book when you have the chance. Especially considering your experience with IP.

I think patents can be destructive for some industries but if your company develops game changing tech and you dont posess the means of protecting your work then some larger player will come in and copy you, put you out of business and we just end up with more monopolies. Hows that good for any market.

@abhayalaukik1365

4 жыл бұрын

@高橋賢大 Great arguments - and thanks for the report suggestion. Here we see some of the reasons why Thucycides' trap rears it's ugly head. At any given time period, the status quo profits the dominant nation (currently, the entire world uses the US $, free trade, patents, IP rights, etc. all help US and other Western allies reap benefits unfairly), and when a rising power challenges the status quo (currently, China trying to set up it's own financial, trade and diplomatic networks) posing a threat to the unfair profit-reaping mechanisms of the US. Therefore, the 2 countries get into a tussle, which we are seeing today. Hopefully, the tussle doesn't turn into a war in the next 20 years -- I'm afraid, since war is what Thucycides' trap leads to usually. I am willing to bet my left kidney that if India had developed faster than China and was the number 2 in the world today, the US would be criticizing India's pharmaceuticals for IP theft (which they actually already do. But it's not publicized much since they have to keep a regional ally against China. US pharma companies repeatedly sue Indian drug producers for basically providing meds at a humane price in India). Actually, there's no need to bet my kidney on this -- in the 80s, when Japan was rising economically like crazy, one of Time magazine covers said "The coming war with Japan." Lmao, the US basically completely controlled Japan's army activities at that time. Still, anything that seems like catching up with the Empire must be a spawn of the fuckin Devil, in'nit?

@ryanvannice7878

3 жыл бұрын

I think that parents on the balance are good. However, the practice is difficult. Nearly all inventions are based on another invention. So what's the max amount it can be based on another in order to award a patent? It seems that today that max amount is too low and patents are awarded too frequently, especially to the big companies who can afford the lawyers to get the patents.

Oh God. I never knew British learned steel manufacturing from India. Why do they not teach us that?

@foodchewer

Жыл бұрын

With all due respect, did you just take his claim that the British "stole steelmaking techniques from India" at face value or did you actually look into this claim to see how accurate it is?

Chomsky is strictly factually wrong. The British domestic textile industry existed solely because India didn't want anything from the British in Trade. The rise of the Raj was largely based around the fact that the US couldn't compete with Indian Textiles in either price or quality. The British didn't steal Indian textile techniques though, those were a western invention and when introduced in India during the Raj caused the Indian textile production to skyrocket, however those textiles still didn't make it out of India because the domestic demand was so high that exporting of textiles kept being put off until satisfying domestic demand because less profitable. The US textile industry was protected by tariffs because of extreme productivity of the Indian producers, but it wasn't really functional and was more ideological since India was almost entirely a domestically consumptive economy at the time. Even in things they tried to export such as pig iron, they weren't doing so because they couldn't compete with China's iron producers. He is also wrong about the idea of stealing Indian iron techniques, in fact he is so hilariously wrong on this issue that I can't even imagine what his reason for believing this is. India was one of the worlds preeminent producers of steal 2000 years ago but it had nothing to do with techniques, and everything to do with the fact that the largest iron deposits in India were naturally mixed with several over elements. The quality of the famed Damascus steel for example wasn't a result of the techniques used but the fact that the local mined iron in south India and Sri Lanka. The Wootz steel in that was produced from these sources had similar properties to the butte steel, that Germany became known for. I largely agree with Chomsky on the functionally abusive nature of modern IP law, however the west is quite literally responsible for 90+% of technological advancement over the past 2000 years. If you don't find a way to incentivize that a type of productivity (IP has been a failure in this regard), you can expect the west to stagnate technologically as the rest of the word had/has. I also like how just ignores the fact that it is the US war machine that is responsible for a staggering amount of the technological advancement that he simply brands as "state production". The US war machine is overwhelmingly a private enterprise as he himself notes constantly. I also agree with Chomsky that forcing developing markets to open to free trade is insanely destructive to them. I would add to major examples, Ethiopia which was advancing fantastically until they were forced by the world bank to open their markets and the Philippines which has suffered greatly from the forced opening of their markets. This forced integration into the world economy ignores cultural and natural productive differences for economies. For example, much of Africa will not be able to compete with China for productivity regardless of what they do. Both Africa and China exist on a largely subsistence level of economic remuneration, thus if China's substance cost is lower then Africa's, there will not be functional mechanism that will allow for Africa to produce a competitive advantage in any manner baring access to resources, and even in this regard if Chinese workers are able to work at a lower subsistence level then they will simply be imported. That is to a large extent been the focus of China's trade deals in Africa, insuring that productivity levels by locals that aren't realistic for the culture and environment won't be met justifying the importation of Chinese workers. Chomsky is wrong however in his rhetoric surrounding the cause of innovation. The vast majority of innovation in history has been to cause. Building the better widget and getting rewarded for it. He has lived in an academic MIT bubble and it shows here. There is one thing that he didn't touch on here and that I think is a very important negative of the intellectual property system and that is the planned obsolescence and the way in which it slows our functional social advancement. It is now common for corporations to develop strategies around delaying the release and use of technologies in order to maximize profits from current technologies. For example the CD was obsolete when it was invented, the mini disc was superior in essentially all ways but the CD was used in the west with the plan of phasing it out a number of years after its introduction in order to maximize conversions from vinyl to compact disc, and then eventually encourage yet another conversion from CDs to mini-discs. Of course the MP3, digital storage age interfered with this plan but the entire western world was deprived of a far superior technology in the mini-discs in an abusive attempt to essentially use IP to gain additional opportunities to shake down the public. There are countless examples of these actions from hard drives, and video screen technologies right up to smartphones and cars. In this regard the Chinese model of an essentially open IP body is more functional despite its serious downside of discouraging technological advancement.

@angusmcbean752

3 жыл бұрын

"quite literally responsible for 90+% of technological advancement over the past 2000 years." what? Also what do you mean by African culture? "If you don't find a way to incentivize that a type of productivity (IP has been a failure in this regard), you can expect the west to stagnate technologically as the rest of the word had/has"- I think he responded pretty well to this. I think he's pretty clear in saying that technological innovation is no longer in the realm of creating better and better "widgets", technology has come too far, most innovations are a group effort. And often if it's an individuals effort, they aren't the ones being rewarded by IP law anyway. I really I think most people defend IP because they're thinking about the struggling artist getting plagiarised or the genius inventor in the basement, innovation at the structural societal level isn't like that aymore.

@jimsourdif2374

3 жыл бұрын

​@@angusmcbean752 Yes? Northern European males are responsible for nearly all of the major technological advancements in the last 2000 years. That isn't a controversial statement. African culture is a complex issue, I was refereeing to the common cultural portion. In this case the inter-tribal dynamic created by the lack of expansionary space. Neighboring African tribes have historically been viewed with great suspicion. Because there is no room to expand, each time a successful population requires more space to accommodate a growing population it necessarily comes from an existing tribal territory. So any advancement in a neighboring tribe through technology or establishment of a structure is seen as a natural impetus for war. The best defense against war in Africa is to have nothing that anyone wants and to not be a threat to anyone. Technology is not created by teams, teams are involved in the engineering portion because that is the natural structure of the system. The actual inventions are nearly universally down to one or two people. This is just the nature of advancement. The bigger issue here by far is parallel advancement where two different people or groups develop the same technology concurrently and the only one rewarded is the one that makes it to market first or the one that patents first. I agree that IP has been a failure though, as a system it simply hasn't had good results. I am not sure what might work but I do know that if you don't incentivize advancement in some way it will slow it. Maybe that is a good thing I suppose. But I think that technology advancements are overwhelmingly the mechanism by which quality of life improves. I think it is a never ending race with population growth, and I don't see it ending civilly if we can't keep outrunning population pressures.

@angusmcbean752

3 жыл бұрын

@@jimsourdif2374 i don't know where you're getting that from. Until the crusades most of western europe was a tribal backwater, many many civilizatiosn across the world were far more advanced. The list of technologies and inventions the west learnt from other countries is endless.

@jimsourdif2374

3 жыл бұрын

@@angusmcbean752 As I said, it isn't considered controversial at all. The vast majority of scientific advancement in human history has happened in Europe since the renaissance. Asia was more advanced 12000 - 9000 years ago, but for almost 3000 years was utterly stagnet. India and China haven't been more technologically advanced then Europe in 2000 years, although they were all tribal backwaters for the most part.The west learned virtually nothing from the rest of the world, that is just Asian and Indian ethnocentrism for the most part. Western domination in technology is so profound that it is almost always noted when something is invented outside the west. Compasses and gunpowder for example were invented in China more then 2500 years ago. Significant achievements but well outside my time frame and you will have trouble finding a reference to their invention that doesn't mention their origins. The west simply had a far greater devotion to academic productivity along the principled lines of scientific discovery where as most of the world took a far more philosophical bend in that regard.

@bencc827

Жыл бұрын

@@jimsourdif2374 you went from "in the last 2000 years" to "since the renaissance"... pretty big leap there buddy