Lecture series: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c22ctKxxaKXXnbA.html&ab_channel=CarefreeWandering

@photosynthesis69

5 ай бұрын

12:40 how is a tobacco advertisement that features women “woke?” What is your definition of woke? You should have included it after making such a claim.

I used to think chomsky was a mathematician, because i studied some of his theorems in my computer science course

@olegcherkasky2755

8 ай бұрын

He had an impact on programming language syntax design, I wouldn't be surprised that you heard of him there.

@frankwhite3659

7 ай бұрын

Goes with the territory,he's an MIT expatriate.

@katebasss

7 ай бұрын

Now i remember too - in compilers class

Babe wake up, professor hans just uploaded.

@davidfernandez8515

9 ай бұрын

It isn't a shot on you personally, but for the love of god stop posting this kind of comments. They aren't funny, they're irrelevant and they just seem silly to anyone with a brain

@microfarming8583

9 ай бұрын

Chomsky is a total clown. He wanted anyone who hadn't had the jab to be lo ked out of society. Total shill for big pharma and big government. Irrelevant old communist

@WilcoxNotreallythere

8 ай бұрын

Noam Chomsky arranged a meeting with Woody Allen through JEFFERY EPSTEIN. This guy is one of them.

@roblade6581

8 ай бұрын

​@@user-ih4hqdo not disrespect my crab king like that ever again

@Al-himathy

8 ай бұрын

😂😂😂

Of course like most I love noam Chomsky After watching a Canadian documentary regarding media - I emailed him - while working at a university in Switzerland - he emailed mr back !!!! He replied within 1 hour- and naturally schooled me / This event has led to lifelong respect and support- for most part agreement

@ianbanks2844

6 ай бұрын

Well done for liking a self confessed wannabe mass murderer .

@Barbabapan

4 ай бұрын

He is a sick psychopath actually.

@abdell75roussos

Ай бұрын

What he says at 6. 00 is a good idea, but i bet this has changed since to keep him popular. Also, its a logical error i suspect. He says the rigt wing wins by being cancelled, instead of the left wing wins when the left wing students cancel/deplatform at a campus. Its a subtle difference to keep him popular.

Any dictator would admire the uniformity and obedience of the U.S. media. -Noam Chomsky

@paulbarclay4114

9 ай бұрын

the irony is chomsky is among the most controlled he was calling for putting the unvx in camps 2 years ago

@excalibro8365

9 ай бұрын

As opposed to what? The Chinese, Cuban and Venezuelan media?

@ludviglidstrom6924

9 ай бұрын

@@excalibro8365 Yes. Especially the Venezuelan media which is extremely right-wing and anti-socialist and openly supported the far-right coup attempt a couple of years ago.

@FloatingErgonaut

9 ай бұрын

​@@excalibro8365Considering he and the tradition he belongs to are opposed to all of those, this is not as good a point as you think he is. Anarchism =/= Marxist-Leninism. They're opposed to each other to my understanding.

@xhxxf-rt7xm

8 ай бұрын

Western media is far more uniform and obedient than Chinese media.@@excalibro8365

The 1996 consolidation of media led to death of local newspapers and narrowed the public discourse dramatically. It included television, radio, newspapers, magazines and monthly publication. It concentrated the advertising dollar into the hands of a few giant corporations who shape the national narrative to their interest and not the public's.

@Larkinchance

9 ай бұрын

The consequences of this is that people begin to hold an iron clad point of view that is resists any critical analysis. Friends say to me about the history of events. "That was then and this is now." or, "Treaties are made to be broken" When you try to argue with people under the influence of corporate media, they close their ears and shout you down. Am I the f^cked-up one?

@artis1969

9 ай бұрын

​@@Larkinchance And we've now raised numerous generations to be unable to think for themselves.

@Larkinchance

8 ай бұрын

agree@@artis1969

@annalisavajda252

7 ай бұрын

Well people now want the ability to immediately react and respond to information too which they are used to online but newspapers don't allow as much of that just select letters to the editor so that may be part of it too. Not just the form of media but how interactive it is then of course authors get manipulated by public opinion more so shaping their perspectives instead of being influential themselves.

A quick comment on media diversity in the US: you mentioned that the US at least has corporate media for each party, so it is "more diverse" in that sense compared to Germany. However, since these two parties only disagree on a very small subset of issues (relative to all possible political issues), it certainly FEELS like there isn't any functional mainstream media diversity.

@preemptivekicks1355

9 ай бұрын

yes, just the illusion of diversity.

@18nakedcowboys69

9 ай бұрын

@@xunqianbaidu6917dude you have to realize how insanely diverse political parties are in other countries. Bernie sanders would fall under the British Conservative Party on the political compass. The only thing the dems and republicans disagree on really is social issue. And even then Joe Biden will gladly proclaim “fund the police” like any other republican while his party pretended to be on the political fringes with defund the police.

@DDd-gm8uz

9 ай бұрын

@@xunqianbaidu6917 Both parties are bourgeois and serve that class interest.

@DDd-gm8uz

9 ай бұрын

@@xunqianbaidu6917 Democrats have often praised theocracy in relation to places like Tibet, and they have no qualms over working with religious reactionaries like the Mujahideen or Falun Gong. Certainly Biden and Pelosi aren't antagonistic towards the Holy See. Democrats only cheer when the theocracies of Europe aid them in global destruction. Certainly the Democrats are more than happy to send the LGBTQ to die in imperialist wars. It's ridiculous that you can whistle past the dictatorship and Anglo supremacy of a segment of the bourgeoisie, simply because they are experts in rainbow washing. Socialism is necessarily a revolution against the bourgeoisie--it is hostile and combative, not reformist twaddle that succumbs to the political equivalent of the Mutt and Jeff technique. If you're going to watch Chomsky and be even less than a social democrat, forever placated by the most petty of bread and circuses, there is no point to you.

@user-lo3er3th8g

8 ай бұрын

Yes I feel like this section was weak

I've gone from a teenage watching Chomsky on KZread to a 20s yr old watching a video about Chomsky on KZread

@nixon5452

9 ай бұрын

Ever pick up a book?

@Daniel-mo7bj

9 ай бұрын

@@nixon5452 nope, that's the nice thing about having a bachelor's in Philosophy is that they don't make you read

@preemptivekicks1355

9 ай бұрын

@@nixon5452 did they say they didn't read books? I eat apples, does not mean i also don't eat oranges.

I'm really enjoying this series. Thank you for taking the time to produce and upload them!

@AortaKelly-de8ur

7 ай бұрын

Adonotdisturb

This is one of the best corners of the Internet. Thank you!

I am really looking forward to the next lecture, i hope it's at least 3 hours

Jordan Peterson is nowhere near Noam Chomsky.

@MikBak1814

2 ай бұрын

Why/how would you even mention them in the same sentence?

So many familiar Chomsky quotes. Takes me back to my early 20s.

@CraigTalbert

9 ай бұрын

@@AnnaCrystal-fd4hs your should hear the awful noises my wrists make as I move my mouse. :(

Love the channel. I don't think you've understood the meaning of 'the propaganda model' though. “The media companies primarily serve the interests of the advertisers, not the consumers”. This is a very mild version of what Chomsky is saying. 'The propaganda model' says that the function of the mass media is to serve passive, obedient audiences to corporations for exploitation, just as media in totalitarian regimes do for their governments. The reason Chomsky calls it 'the propaganda model' is due to the function, not the form of mass media. It is the corporations in the propaganda model that are the consumers. As for us - and I can't find who coined this phrase but - 'if it's free, you're the product'. This is an especially egregious error on your part given the Warning you end your videos with. I also think you're less coherent on 'sources' than you could be. You focus on 'facts' verses 'opinion' which seems to be a non-sequitur. Looking forward to your video on Niklas Luhmann, whom I know nothing about. Will he be the same happy-go-lucky barrel of laughs that Chomsky is? Only time will tell.

A number of well adduced points on clashing schools of social thought and N Chomsky's contribution to dissect some of those long standing axioms of social sciences.

I'm loving this series of media thinkers. Thank you so much. Any plans to cover Northrop Frye, a Canadian media theorist? I find very little discussion of his ideas online. From what I've read, it seems to take a bit of a Joseph Campbell approach for archetypes and a bit of Alan Bloom for literature, but I would greatly appreciate someone smarter than me doing some analysis.

@Vgallo

8 ай бұрын

I thought he was a religious thinker? I have his book, the great code

@ralphny

2 ай бұрын

@@gerrydonohoenice.

It's strange to say 'propaganda' is terminologically imprecise when it's also being done by departments that used to have it in their name. Calling it 'manipulation' would be imprecise because it'd be omitting the means.

@realCharAznable

8 ай бұрын

Yes, it would be better to say 'technically' imprecise rather than 'terminologically', because terms gain sub-definitions over time.

love this video, you explain chomsky accurately and easy to follow. thank you!

Chomsky obviously has had a huge impact on media discourse and linguistics. Media discourse is more and more important as social media becomes an integral part of society. Thanks for the video!

@joriankell1983

9 ай бұрын

You talk like a corporate drone

@theofthe2299

9 ай бұрын

@@joriankell1983 You talk like you could use some more time offline lol

@WilcoxNotreallythere

8 ай бұрын

Chompsky arranged a meeting with Woody Allen through Jeffery Epstein. I thinks the Noam likes the kids . . .

@oscarwilde5473

8 ай бұрын

@@joriankell1983 ... many a man broke his nose with his mouth ...

@sonarbangla8711

8 ай бұрын

Media and manipulations are defined on class considerations, there is nothing about authoritarian and non-authoritarian societies.

you somehow held my attention o a topic I'm well versed in, for 7 min, enough time for me to catch myself and write this comment

Chomsky does not consider the role of the media as analogous in totalitarian societies, where the threat of force has not been forsaken, and democratic societies, where thought control is crucial, since the threat of force is more remote. He has made this clear in may times and places.

BTW, it is apparent by a recent interview given in Hungary, that Noam Chomsky has caved to the neoliberal establishment. As someone who used to have a left-of-center orientation, I've seen everyone now who inspired me abdicate the left libertarian orientation.

@Danny310563

8 ай бұрын

I have been a huge fan of Chomsky but given everything he has said about media manipulation it was alarming to hear his views on Covid. Not only did he swallow the mainstream narrative he went as far as to say unvaxed people should be locked in their homes

@aristotel8678

6 ай бұрын

Exactly

Thank you for the amazing content. Please make an episode about Marcuse, really curious what are your thoughts about him and his work.

I love your work!

The Chomsky Foucault debate had me just grabbing my head about how Chomsky doesn’t recognise that he holds a perception of a political goal which he considers good. I was as stumped as Foucault. While the debate between the two was more focused, the two philosophers didn’t even reach common conceptual grounds to show disagreement in. Its not very different from the Peterson-Zizek debate in that way.

@RobespierreThePoof

7 ай бұрын

What Peterson and Chomsky share are that they hold credentials in academic disciplines but speak and write widely in topics that are far outside those specialist areas. Most academics would not do this. It's either seen as a misuse of your credentials or putting yourself in a position where you're likely to make mistakes. The other thing those two share is that they allow political ideology to shape their views far too much when speaking about these historical and philosophical topics. I respect Chomsky's work in linguistics tremendously. But as a historian, I find his political texts irritating. I can't speak to Peterson's actual psych research, but I hear it is very average.

@Jkjoannaki

5 ай бұрын

​@ems4884 petersons psychology expertise is elementary math with yungianistic/mysticist connections. He has said in a lecture "bpd and apd are the same disorder because women to men ratio to those 2 is 3:1 and 1:3 so that means it's the same as if all disorders have to be in 1/1 ratio lmaooooo he is a dsm sucker and apa fan boy but at the same type pretends to be jungian philosophical and anti psychiatrical

@jonnymahony9402

2 ай бұрын

Chomsky has written extensifly on history with awesome reviews and hight citations by scholars of the field. Look it up.

The documentary on Manufactured Consent that our host mentioned was produced by CBC - the Canadian Broadcast Corporation a.k.a. the Canadian BBC.

I think a quote from Edward Bernays will help you understand Chomsky's use of the term "propaganda". "The first use of public relations was to change the name of propaganda to public relations, after the Germans gave propaganda a bad name" Prior to ww2, "propaganda" was synonymous with marketing, PR and media in the west as well. So Chomsky uses the term to refer to more "honest times" when they just called what it is they do now in media, openly, propaganda. That is why the term "propaganda model" is correct. Also, the main distinction Chomsky makes between dictatorships, versus the west, is dictatorships don't really need good propaganda, because they can just force people to do what they want. In the west, you can't force people, you instead, have to control their thinking. So the only distinction Chomsky makes between the propaganda of dictatorships and the west, is western propaganda is far more sophisticated and well developed, as it necessarily has to be, them being unable to rely on the stick.

@madekekgra

8 ай бұрын

What is "the West"? You make a distinction between a certain place in the world where dictatorships flourish in contrast to "the West". I hear people using the term all the time, but I just don't know how to identify what countries it encompasses. What is it what makes a country western? A feeling?

@MassDefibrillator

8 ай бұрын

@@madekekgra "the west" originally referred to the western part of the British empire, it still refers to that basically, except taking into account the settler colonies that came out of that, like Australia, Canada and the US. Technically wouldn't apply to Europe at large in this sense, though some do apply it. to everything but eastern Europe. In this sense, there isn't any historically coherent notion of 'western values" as these countries have had totally contradictory values through their history.

@WilcoxNotreallythere

8 ай бұрын

We found out chompsky arranged a meeting with Woody Allen and Jeffery Epstein. That's all you need to know about this sicko.

@Mr.Monta77

8 ай бұрын

That is nonsense. The reality of the world is far more complex than to divide in two such simplified boxes and label them.

@Mr.Monta77

8 ай бұрын

@@madekekgraWestern often refer to democratic values and that our leaders are elected in democratic election under the scrutiny of election observers etc. But these are simplified and very broad and inaccurate descriptions. One could certainly argue that the USA election system is far from democratic when the majority of voters for a long time have been Democratic but because of manipulation with the electoral college and voter maps, the Republicans have a far greater influence politically than what their actual percentage should allow them. In addition, the authoritarian and wannabe dictator Trump’s refusal to accept the peaceful transition of power is just one example of how ‘Western’ and democracy is not a 1:1 relationship. There are, of course, a number of other shared values in the West.

That warning at the end 🤌🏽

This is really good. Big Noam, almost everyone recognises him as a titan but he has also largely been ignored in the mainstream.

@mrplease66

8 ай бұрын

he is also a highly problematic apologist of genocide and other crimes against humanity, but let's just ignore that.

@ApolloELM

8 ай бұрын

“Ignored in the mainstream” Are you joking? This is fundamentally false.

@Random6661

7 ай бұрын

@@mrplease66What genocide would that be?

@Superlongevityinstitute

6 ай бұрын

@@mrplease66 WE ARE WAITING ON YOUR ANSWER

Chomsky's is perfect when descriptive. When normative, he is a bundle of hope. Hope is the unfounded expectation of an unlikely outcome. What he describes is simply how a modern democracy ends. Wonderful rendition. Thanks!

@juan.zabala

9 ай бұрын

We (political agents with minimal understanding of power) "sin" and fail to exercise any legal rights by denying our inherent capacity of doing evil deeds. This is sadly why Noam's discourse remains referential .

@doctorstrangelove8815

9 ай бұрын

@@juan.zabala Human behavior is a product of data, association, metastabilities and Baysian statistics. If you control the data, this gives you a normal distribution with a small standard deviation. In other words; people act as they are told. It is a common human trait, however, to project one's own understanding onto others. This is what Chomsky does.

@jacobharmon1209

9 ай бұрын

@@doctorstrangelove8815 Not that it changes your theory much, but a much larger factor in behavior than 'what people are told' is 'what other people are doing'. We imitate much more than we obey.

@SvalbardSleeperDistrict

9 ай бұрын

"What he describes is simply how a modern democracy ends" If workers collectively owning and controlling their means of production, instead of being told to work to create profit for someone who does not work but privately owns that workplace, is "how a modern democracy ends", somewhere along the way someone lost the entire idea of "democracy" there.

@doctorstrangelove8815

9 ай бұрын

@@jacobharmon1209 Not my theory and imitation is a way of gaining data, yes It is why the majority of high school kids here want only to be an influencer.

The target of the PR is the collective mind which is unconscious due to a lack of individual self awareness/ psychological development. Particularly an awareness of emotional affect and it's role in our perception and in how we identify with each other and as groups. This is where fear based propaganda functions and that's why it works. It's essentially the realm of CG Jung's collective archetypes.

great video mr georg can you talk about philanthropy and charities ( do people actually care or is it merely for the profile ) knowing that mostly celebrities and influencers get involved in these acts and you can take the sideman charity match or mrbeast as a subject because they are relevant and trending these days

You should do one on John Zerzan. His critique of media is totalizing.

Anticipating the last episode :)

Regarding China, you miss the massive fact that CHINA'S VIEW OF THE WEST has changed enormously in the last decade. As someone who has lived extensively in China, when I arrived in 2004 the CCP promoted goodwill and curiosity towards foreigners living in China. For the last decade they have encouraged their citizens to view us with at best suspicion, at worst contempt. I think Chomsky's model doesn't sufficiently account for this, somehow locating the locus of US outlook purely within American elites.

great presentation, and important too.

Great content...thank you!

Fantastic video!

Chomsky has been a major inspiration for my own thinking. Your critique at the end is very interesting, but I think you should follow up on that. I'm already familiar with his work (which you did a great job at summarizing), but I have never really heard a substantial criticism of him that didn't come out of circles you'd dismiss out of hand.

@conjugatemethod

9 ай бұрын

You're right, like the twisting of his comments on Srebrenica

@ArawnOfAnnwn

9 ай бұрын

That critique is probably gonna come in the Luhmann video.

@hans-georgmoeller7027

9 ай бұрын

@@ArawnOfAnnwn Yes.

@chickenandksivideoreviewer9739

9 ай бұрын

Genocide denial is le epice

@TeaRiker

9 ай бұрын

he denied several genocides on different occasions

Love the burnout Warning at the end. Thank you!

imagine haveing the choice between manipulating, or being manipulated

@ulpana

6 ай бұрын

Not only can I imagine such a situ, it is also commonly referred to as the Human Condition or da Human Condition if'n yer from the\da Bronx....

Thank you for introducing me to Chomsky! I have binged much of his work and aside from his last 5 years, he has made sense of so much that is wrong with the world today.

Don't know much on Chompsky, interested in that film. Propoganda is a very interesting topic.

I think that Chomsky's Linguistics background, particularly his research and breakthroughs on the biological bases of language, is a potential explanation for his humanist tendencies.

@mck1972

6 ай бұрын

IF that were really true, then Chomsky should have been able to accurately predict the actions of others, based on the statements they made in advance of the actions. Can you provide an example of Chomsky ever doing so?

Great video, well done to the maker.

Very hyped for the ultimate Luhmann episode

Love the Indiana Jones themed thumb 🎥

This was very good! Thank you! Two points: I would be careful do discern between "woke" as in being able to see systemic inequity, and "wokism," the appropriation of that liberatory exercise. Second: your attempt to differentiate between "government propaganda" and some other kind implies they are different. For anarchists, they are the same. Chomsky calls corporations "private tyrannies," and his only positive acknowledgement of even partiallly accoutable goverents is that they restrain private tyrannies like Corporations. That it is private interests brainwashing us with the support of the US/western system doesn't make it any different or any better.

@johnk963

9 ай бұрын

The only difference between the forms of woke you point out are that the former is the descendent of Marxism through the Frankfurt school and its critical theory, and the latter is just the class of useful idiots similar to that which existed in pre-critical Marxism. Critical theory was response of Marxists to the fact Marx was completely wrong about his predictions about capitalism making the world worse for almost everyone.

@realCharAznable

8 ай бұрын

Haha, 'wokism' is appropriate, and encompasses the whole ideology. That includes belief in nebulous and highly pliable notions like 'systemic inequality'. It is clear to most people what it means, essentially clear to anyone who isn't woke.

@WilcoxNotreallythere

8 ай бұрын

Chompsky arranged a meeting with Woody Allen and Jeffery Epstein. Chompsky likes the kids.

@Fusseliko

5 ай бұрын

I'd argue that one can't be "woke" without being some kind of anti-capitalist. You can't claim to fight systemic inequity while ignoring the capitalist elephant in the room.

Also, I appreciate the characterisation of Chomsky as an American (to wit, estadosunidense) thinker, and 'not a European' (or, one might add, universal one). In my own studies, I have made the same distinction for critics of the U.S., like John Mearsheimer who has become a consistent reference point for non-US critics of US international politics. While I have great respect for Mearsheimer, align with him on many broader points, theoretical and practical, and am in fact myself a realist when in comes to politics and international relations, I frequently have to remind not only my students, but also myself, that Mearsheimer's concern is US primacy and US supremacy, and his critique touches more on the methodology and choices, rather than the principle. So it is with Chomsky who is making more and more sense to me the more I look at the world (and through a realist perspective), but who, ultimately, begins and ends with the US reality.

Chomsky is American with his heart and mind. His doesn't come to the conclusion democracy and capitalism are two sides of the same coin. While the Chinese government is defining it 's legitimacy by economic success, the democracy doesn't need success. The citizen is patriot and is looking at the state as a service provider and thus is lamenting about the state all the time, because the state has it's own goals and purposes. Chomsky is one of those citizens, which is the reason he is talking about a criminal Russia (Global Policy, 4/22/2022) while demanding a policy of saving lives. He is woke, because he is disregarding the goals and purposes of government, as when they acting as a contractor for the people while at the same time governments using people in the meat grinder of the war as means to gain a success. The success of the democracy is the unconditional patriotism of the citizen, powered by allowances such as freedom of saying an opinion or human rights. The contradictions of such a mindset doesn't bother him. He is the liberal who is stating many opinions like in a pub but in public. When he then talks about media as manipulated, he is insisting everything is alright, only bad people are in power. This is the talk of conspiracy theorists. Society is based on property which needs the power of a government to avoid expropriation by the poor. Property is the foundation of for influence on media, by owning media or by being a paying advertiser. Capitalism is promising of having the chance of having influence, but it is not the same as having the foundation for a debate. Those who haven't property don't get much influence. It is just according to the majority of patriotic citizen. Some remarks on BS terms like equality and unjust. The measure for such terms can be chosen arbitrary. Equality in it's worst form can mean the right to starve to death like others. When liberals are talking about just and equality it means mostly a politically compatible minimum of existence. The age of enlightenment was at least talking about the educated personality making a contribution for society. This is the past and is dead for ever. The demand for equality is an idea of an eternal capitalism,making people to individuals being compatible with the next job interview. This is what N. Luhmann not wanted too see, because his research had to be compatible.

Noam Chomsky went to the dentist, and the dentist asks him if he has a gnashing problem. Noam is confused but clearly says no. So the doctor asked Noam's wife to keep an eye on him for the health of his teeth. After a few weeks of "Noam watch", the couple returns to the dentist and reports that Noam does not have a gnashing problem. Except for about twenty minutes each morning as he browses the NY Times.

Just thinking and writing at same time so, not in english.. siempre me impactó mucho el optimismo humanista de los estadounidenses… irónicamente (o capaz no) cuanto más aprendo sobre su visión menos humanista me vuelvo… cuando si pienso en cómo veía las cosas antes de conocer las visiones de estos pensadores (y en muchos casos grandes referentes e influenciadores de opinión y agentes sociales), solía pensar más como ellos o ellas. Cuando lo escucho desde afuera me resulta completamente incompatible con la realidad. Sobre todo cuanto más atrás en el tiempo vamos parecieran tener una proyección a futuro (probablemente expresión de deseo) muy diferente de lo que terminó sucediendo… por lo que me pregunto, la filosofía o la sociología tiene que predecir? Yo creo que no

Michael Parenti could be another great subject for Media Thinkers (Inventing Reality)

@haroldgraphene

9 ай бұрын

I think it would be super cool if he did Parenti but I don't know if his reputation could survive it.

@ArawnOfAnnwn

9 ай бұрын

@@haroldgraphene Why?

@haroldgraphene

9 ай бұрын

@@ArawnOfAnnwn because he’s such a controversial subject.

@DDd-gm8uz

9 ай бұрын

@@haroldgraphene Parenti is controversial if you're reactionary.

Thank you for an intelligent analysis pf Chomsky's ideology and the American system for information controlled by capitalism and the government.

This video is very concise, intelligent, and unbiased. Thank you. I have subscribed. I have shared this and will be sharing your other videos.

@bachirmessaouri4772

8 ай бұрын

It is biased. It just happens to have the same biases as yours, which is why you don't detect them. I have no problem with biases, unless people can't even spot them anymore. That's basically what Chomsky is saying...

@fabiengerard8142

7 ай бұрын

@@bachirmessaouri4772 *The moment an information gets deliberately published by someone, I’m doubting more and more any 100% unbiased - or rather 100% bias-free - information is mathematically possible. May be the point is to be fully aware of it ?

Well done !

His lectures and ideas about what language actually is ...

I like how you used the Indiana Jones font for preview pic.

Such a great video. I've watched the documentary 'Manufactering Consent'. It's well worth watching.

I refuse to feel guilty for indulging in entertainment. It's perfectly reasonable and healthy to enjoy things that can allow you to relax everything, even your mind. Much like everything else, there's balance. It's not good to have all of one or all of the other. At least we can all agree that modern life is wrong and sad.

@briancox9357

6 ай бұрын

And yet much better from life 100 years ago, undeniably

Al Jazerra has made a nice video summary of Manufacturing consent.

Would be very interesting to hear an analysis by you of American Gods

Came to hear Chomsky talk about media manipulation &…? Feeling the bait & switch.

When our goverment is agaisnt the interest of the environment we live in and the people...what can be done?

@0MVR_0

9 ай бұрын

bring the environment into the home put the forest within the city

@DDd-gm8uz

9 ай бұрын

(redacted)

My question is, how can you be an anarchist and a leftist at the same time? Those are two opposite points of the political spectrum

@bachirmessaouri4772

8 ай бұрын

I don't think they are. If you see the political spectrum as a circle instead of a line, you'll find anarchy somewhere in between far right and far left. Which is why it has traits from both sides. In that sense, it's the opposite of the consensual center, not the opposite of either the left wing or the right wing. It shares some means with the right wing (no government) but it shares the end of the left wing (power to communities rather than to the state or to private interests).

Chomsky is for anarchy. Not chaos. Not lawlessness Of crime. He is for morality.

Chomsky has long been at pains to point out, especially regarding language, that human biology defines the limits and scope of human behaviour (and therefore why should language be any different?). This results in ‘universals’, i.e., stuff which all humans have or do in common. An example would be how languages divide up the colour spectrum. Cross-linguistic studies (eg. Berlin and Kay), show that this follows a strict pattern, not explicable via contact between human groups, but rather by shared biology. Yes - we certainly construct the universe we inhabit, but how we do this is limited by our biological structure and how this interacts with the biology of the universe we inhabit. Our on-board visual apparatus limits our perception of the electro-magnetic frequencies of light, and our languages reflect this. This applies equally to social organisation. For example, there are a limited, quite small, number of human kinship systems. Once again this is not explicable by contact between groups, but rather by biological constraints such as the duration of human pregnancy and childhood, incest avoidance, etc. I don’t agree with everything Chomsky claims (for example, I think much ‘common sense’ is culturally defined and that one person’s ‘common sense’ can be, and frequently is, another person’s ‘utter madness’), but I agree that we can’t understand social systems, such as the media, politics, the law, etc, without understanding how they are limited, and how their scope is defined, by human biology. BTW, I note that you point out how this ‘universalist’ approach is something shared by both his linguistic analysis and his analysis of geo-politics and the media. Strange that he himself claims not to recognise this. Thank you for your channel. Great stuff! I’ve been a subscriber for 18 months or so now.

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I read Manufacturing Consent and wrote an article on McCarthyism years ago as i gradually realised 99% of the news put out to the public are not to provide needed information. In Vietnam we say "then you read news on newspapers to gain knowledge, now you gain knowledge first in order to read news on newspapers"

@excitedaboutlearning1639

8 ай бұрын

I'm seeing this in action in the largest newspaper in my country. There's an influx of articles that claim that the schools are failing. They base their claims on PISA results and a couple of other statistics. Then they go on to ask teachers what is causing the failures. I'm a university student studying to become a teacher. It seems to me very often that many concepts that are mentioned in the national curriculum are completely misunderstood by some teachers. They then blame x concept for the failure even though that's not what the concept means.

Did he get to visit the island?

I agree with Chomsky.

What is the practical difference between manipulation and propaganda? I think you are saying the same thing but differently.

@DanDeLeoninthefield

4 ай бұрын

A good question to be pondered. For what it is worth, I think the answer lies with the intent of the source.

That ending was a bit too abrupt

Some time left in this era .What will you find after the war .only the distruction of the war .?

I still adore FOUCAULT

A perceptive & succinct résumé. And Barbie Dolls are for Dick Braynes. 🤔 (Green Fire, UK) 🌈🦉

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Too bad Chomsky never learned the most important lesson of Walter Lippmann: that of "cognitive humility". The insight that we cannot help but see the world through stereotypes / pseudo-environment / "pictures in our heads". Chomsky always acts like he has elevated himself to the status of a dispassionate judge of facts themselves, inevitably reaching the only true moral conclusion. However, when he expounds on some topic you happen to know better, you suddenly realize that he is a myopic ideologue with selection and interpretative biases, just like everyone else. A good recent example would be his statement that Russia is fighting "more humanely" than the US did in Iraq.

@zainmudassir2964

9 ай бұрын

I think it's because of his concern of Ukraine neo-fascists being armed by NATO no strings attached

@feikesterk598

9 ай бұрын

Oh it has been like that for years, especially when you look at his opinions on the ethnic genocide of Muslims in the Bosnian War. He is hated for his views in Eastern Europe and some parts of Central Europe. Also twisting the facts to suit his own view on these matters.

@dannydetonator

9 ай бұрын

@zainmudassir2945 You mean Russia's 'concerns' fabricated by Roskomnadzor's black-propaganda machine , who will claim everything Chomsky is claiming by mere coincidence? It's a fallacy some not-so savvy people on the left have fallen for. Of course there are far-right people in Ukraine, joining military. However they're less numerous than ex.g. in US, Germany or especially Russia. Neo-Nazi groups are training in Russia today instead of Ukraine, who have around 2% of votes going for all far-right politics combined, way less than most of the west. Learn meaning of words and fact-checked reality. (Nazi is as Nazi does).

@dannydetonator

9 ай бұрын

P.S. Misred your accusation. If talking about neo-fascists, in Ujrainian (and most of Eastern Europe) that's been out of fashion since occupation by USSR, only Russia has gone hard-line fascist, by choice of population brainwashed like never before, not even in USSR (which was more fascist than communist btw.)

@conjugatemethod

9 ай бұрын

He's right about this as bad as it seems

Mankind vs Asteroid the thinker and very intelligent Noam Chomsky.

This was over my head , what is guy talking about?

You're point about propaganda not being terminologically precise is not true. What Chomsky describes follows the definition of propaganda. If I own a newspaper and make it say what I want. that is just straight propaganda, it's no different than a state controlled newspaper.

30:54 Very interesting. Do you think that Chomsky’s humanist assumptions and Peterson’s sovereign individual are linked to the notion of rugged individualism, which like Chomsky v Peterson, appears to have its own duality as it is often associated with the laissez-faire but was a term coined by a Republican, Herbert Hoover? That is to say, how do we untangle, or affirm, MLK’s remark, “This country has socialism for the rich, rugged individualism for the poor” (1968)?

@0MVR_0

9 ай бұрын

laissez-faire policy is closely tied to Republican party platforms

@TomMarvan

9 ай бұрын

@@0MVR_0 Indeed to platforms, but in practice…

@0MVR_0

9 ай бұрын

@@TomMarvan Depends on whether you mean Raytheon Republican or autoshop Republican that owns the entire state's franchise shops.

Excellent research and narration.

Nice book shelves 🤓

It is because Chomsky as well as Peterson is idealist. In philosophical meaning of term. But weren’t anarchists always like that? Yes they were idealists, believers of “common sense” power since Proudhon, or even earlier.

Prof. Chomsky and J. Peterson? A slender thread, I would say, that this comparison is drawn by. Interesting and thoughtful analysis on the whole, though.

Any thoughts on the Chomskyites getting linguistics rival Daniel Everett banned from visiting the Piraha people in Brazil? Those people lived in a very free society and have/had a language/culture that was reflective of that. I don’t know if Chomsky ever addressed the effect his MIT cohorts had getting the Brazilian government to affect those people by state intervention setting up schools to teach Portuguese and the electrifying of their villages etc. To me and maybe I’m narrative building here but: there is a competitive linguistics theory that has empirical evidence in the daily lives of a people group, whose main proponent was a peer of Chomsky’s (Daniel Everett). And that same people group is about as close to anarchism as you can find in the whole world. And from MIT the state is called on to intervene to prevent contact between Dan Everett and those people. It seems to unravel both side of Chomsky: his linguistic theory and his anarchic side. It makes me think he is mostly a liberal professor with wokist pretensions and when the real deal anarchists (the Piraha) get in the way of his theory well too bad for them as they get assimilated into modernity.

@ludviglidstrom6924

9 ай бұрын

There’s no competitor to Chomskyan linguistics, there’s just a bunch of nonsense claimed by Daniel Everett about the Piraha, which almost no one else studying them and their language seems to agree with him on. The list of Western anthropologists and the like going to remote places and making fantastical claims about different indigenous peoples is very long and inglorious. These claims very seldom hold water when being put under scrutiny. Everett’s claims about the Piraha language are highly dubious: he claims it lacks words for colors, which it clearly has, and that it lacks recursion, which is wrong. I have no idea how Chomsky would have been able to make the Brazilian government ban Everett from visiting the Piraha, that sounds like an insane conspiracy theory. Everett sees the Piraha as some kind of noble savages living in the Garden of Eden and he then gets angry when the government provides them with schools, electricity etc. That is a very Romantic and colonial way of looking at indigenous people.

@yawnandjokeoh

9 ай бұрын

@@ludviglidstrom6924 I don’t believe it was Chomsky him self who got Everett banned, rather it was other people in Chomsky’s department. Everett isn’t against the schools and electricity in the public statements I’ve heard him make. It’s also very clear he definitely doesn’t make them sound like they live in the garden of Eden. I’m sure Everett gets things wrong. Just like Chomsky. Science of all fields is always open to further revision etc.

Personally I think it far to neat and simple narrative to say that it is the US and allies that are bad and actually China and and Russia are nice helpful countries that want peace. I always found a realist framework for international relations is the most compelling although makes you feel like a heartless psychopath for proposing it. To me the USA is trying to renegotiate its relationship China and vice versa, the USA pretty shocked at the speed that China sent from a partner to a competitor. I also not convinced that anarchism of any variety will ever work, both right of left anarchism. I think the state is essential for societies above a level of size and complexity.

“Fantastic” video, I like how it explains Chomsky’s Manufacturing Consent, which most fifth graders can easily wrap their heads around, and then just launches into tankie talking points

The US is about the fine print, manipulation and deceit. That's why we're always going on about "law & order," "rules-based system," "upholding the law," etc.

Chomsky's great brain. THANKS NOAH FOR YOUR REFLEXIONS !!! 🌐👎🏿🐱🎇🎇🎇

Finally

23:14 Here would have been a good time to include (in the interests of continuity) mention of the "pivot towards Asia" that was announced under Obama's administration.

I thought the systems theory video was amazing. much better than Chomskys theory

It Is interesting the WARNING at the end of this video. I ask myself: why so many available videos, obviously trying to manipulate us, fail to finish the same way? why so many available videos, obviously trying to make profit from us, are failing to finish the same way? Who is allowing us to see this video? To see it with this recommendation but putting it in specially in one of many videos, obviously trying to manipulate and make profit? Just for this and before We would be absolutely unable to listen, to feel, to think… to develop our intellectual capabilities or to listen our intuitive nature We should watch this video

The desire and ability to communicate is innate to being a living being. All living animals have this desire. The language we speak is learned behavior influenced by the ENVIRONMENT we live in. Kids adopted as toddlers will adapt to the environment they are RAISED in. Genetics has nothing to do with that. That’s just the argument educated bigots used to try to ignore circumstances and common sense to define certain groups as being born inferior or superior. Some of the dumbest things are said by the “smartest people”. The most bigoted viewpoints come from those who appoint themselves as ‘saviors’. Never mind the times Noam Chomsky has played the role of faux opposition as he’s advocated doing things he said he was against. Like ‘manufactured consent’ that pushes voting for the lesser of to evils right before telling people to vote for Biden because he’s not Trump.

well I value Chomsky's work alot and I think he is very important, I dread the day he and his vast knowledge isnt around anymore. Thankfully we have videos and books. however I harshly disagree on the topics of how to deal with fascists and cancelling, by deplatforming them is very important, they thrive when they are seen as "normal" enough to appear on regular television and can spread their poisonous ideas. and empirical facts prove that deplatforming is effective and discussing their ideas is useless and works in their favour, cause they don't care about convincing you or even convincing the majority of the audience. they only care about getting their message out and to occupy space in the public concsience, to make themselves visible, to gain power. which is kind of what we want and why I dont understand why he attacks "wokeism" so harshly, its about marginalised people getting visibility and a voice. anyway, we shouldnt take anyones word as gospel, not even Chomsky's. he's incredibly rich of knowledge and a sharp thinker, but even he can only speak from his perspective, however vast his horizon may be. so I'd say listen to this man, learn from him and thank him, don't blindly follow him or anyone else for that matter.

I love the video, but Anglo-continental philosophy is alive and kickin in the Netherlands...

Chomsky is based as hell. The only problem with Chomsky is once you understand his ideas you'll never think about the media the same way again.

Good video... One thing I wonder is why Chomsky has been getting negativity lately from people on the left.