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@KittyMeow1984

5 ай бұрын

Unsubscribe.

@KorraPokeReactions

5 ай бұрын

Nope. I had clicked like until that happened and then hit the dislike button. And if you’re going to shove in an ad, it better NOT be Raid. Cringe.

@asuka_the_void_witch

5 ай бұрын

the problem is that raid is such a bad game, it hasn't even been reviewed by professional critics, and it has a 2.3 user score on metacritic. im just saying, i'm not unsubbing, gotta get the bag blablabla

@TheChadTI

5 ай бұрын

Raid pays really well though and they have been around for awhile now so it's a solid sponsor. If it helps creators I watch, it's not a big deal to me. 🤙

@_cef

4 ай бұрын

@@TheChadTIfeel exactly the same

“The fact that these 20 year olds now have to play 15 year olds and we all just have to be okay with that.” When has that ever not been the case on teen dramas?

@shiloilo

5 ай бұрын

i think it’s cause there’s been more of a progression. like we watched most of them as kids.

@overgrownkudzu

5 ай бұрын

it feels different because the first couple of seasons they all looked believably their ages. that's what made it good, they were actually kids. now it's just like every other show

@drakeburnett7254

5 ай бұрын

@@overgrownkudzu I think both the pandemic and the strikes forced the show to have longer seasonal gaps than originally intended. I think the show would have ended by last year w/o circumstances out of their control.

@katherinealvarez9216

5 ай бұрын

I'm thinking that a few of them need a decent haircut.

@wetsock7790

5 ай бұрын

​@@katherinealvarez9216cmon now, its the 80s, lets not get unrealistic

My biggest problem with the writing in season 4, was then randomly bringing back the Steve Nancy and Jonathan love triangle, it felt like they had no idea what to do with Steve’s character, plus I hate that Nancy’s story line has started to revolve around men, Also Eddie’s death was written so terribly, and frustrated me so much

@katrinamack444

5 ай бұрын

as much as i love steve, the whole season i was hoping for him to die in place of eddie

@teehee3657

5 ай бұрын

@@katrinamack444 Same, it felt like a good time for him to go.

@AirQuotes

5 ай бұрын

Noooo Steve can't die. Jonathan is the one who needs to die. He doesn't do anything

@hinasakukimi

5 ай бұрын

it lowkey feels like character sabotage. my friend HATES nancy and i get it, i can't fault anyone for that, but my frustration is aimed solely at the writers. nancy's not bad, she's just written that way 😔

@rebeccacalledalice

5 ай бұрын

THANK YOU! SOMEONE GETS IT!

After season 5 airs, there will definitely be a slew of video essays with titles like “Stranger Things fall from grace”

@asuka_the_void_witch

5 ай бұрын

it's easy click money ahahahahhah

@pegacorn13

5 ай бұрын

Nah, I think it's going to be great and it will go out with style.

@peskyspider5103

5 ай бұрын

I actually think season 4 was the best series since the first and I remember it getting a lot of love when it was new. The final season they can go crazy and just do what they want without worrying about messing up future seasons or avoiding killing off characters. It could still be a mess but I think there is a good chance for them to end strong.

@dw9524

4 ай бұрын

@@pegacorn13 yeah they just need to tweak a few things in the script

@stewyyishim

4 ай бұрын

nah im insanely confident that the duffers will stick the landing with the final season

Finding out that Stranger Things was supposed to be an anthology show makes me so sad because that would've been so much better! One of the show's biggest problems is the disjointedness and retconning, and making something like season 4 a completely separate story would've fixed a lot of problems. We really deserved better as fans

@teehee3657

5 ай бұрын

Yeah the show would be a lot more enjoyable storywise if it was an anthology, but they wanted to milk the same characters for cash instead

@ericjefferson6249

5 ай бұрын

Same thing happened to Heroes back in the day.

@CheckersAndRecords

5 ай бұрын

Yes! The constant addition of new characters makes it hard to connect with both old and new characters. I haven't watched season 4 but it seems like this issue has continued.

@coolwithakatie5366

5 ай бұрын

I'm very interested to see how they tie up all the loose ends, if they do at all

@adam3647

5 ай бұрын

No wonder anthologies often age so much better than long running shows overstaying their welcome and running out of ideas what to do with their characters.

Netflix IS the villain of the story. They cancel so much interesting shows but refuse to let Stranger Things go.

@classiccarfanatic

5 ай бұрын

This is the last season. They are letting it go.

@terranceorwhatever60

5 ай бұрын

Will never forgive them for cancelling grand army wit only 9 eps and on a cliffhanger🤬

@crfstewarje

5 ай бұрын

Even though they have said for years that season 5 will be the last season 5....?

@classiccarfanatic

5 ай бұрын

@@crfstewarje people will complain about anything

@bangtangrapes2571

5 ай бұрын

Anne with an e😞😞

You can really tell that they didn’t intend to carry characters past one season with characters like Eddie, Jonathan, Nancy, Steve, and Robin. Jonathan and is useless past season 1. Nancy gets more cool, but she keeps getting written into romance plot lines where they make her feel like a homie hopper which makes her insufferable. Steve is just there to be the braun and go along w what the kids want to do. Robin literally went from being a really cool friend to Steve, and having such a good storyline w him, to being a stupid “uuuh, guys?” type of character. If Eddie hadn’t died in season 4, they would have definitely found a way to butcher his character too

@All-ze9cl

5 ай бұрын

The robin thing has always pissed me off so much. In season 3 she was this new cool character that was edgy but clever and snarky, but in season 4 she loses relevance and becomes the dumb one that is like the opposite of Nancy. Idk why they got rid of her cleverness and bite, opting to make her the goofy unserious one that is just an extra character with little importance to the plot. In season 3 she was actually vital to figuring out the russian sub plot.

@clairekelliest

5 ай бұрын

@@All-ze9cl She's not "dumb." And I'm pretty sure she's supposed to be neurodivergent. She just thinks differently and at different speeds, sometimes too fast, sometimes too slow. It was a pretty hackneyed handling of neurodivergence by the writers.

@TheDonaldduck911

5 ай бұрын

That "uuuh, guys?" Archetype coinage was fucking spot on and I'm stealing it

@All-ze9cl

5 ай бұрын

@@clairekelliest I think the neurodivergent thing would work better if it was introduced to us more obviously in season 3. It just seems to come from nowhere, and I understand that neurodivergent peoples personalities can change, but hers def came out of nowhere because of inconsistency in the writing.

@overgrownkudzu

5 ай бұрын

@@clairekelliest but she was already that in season three. they didn't have to make her an idiot.

Stranger Things lost the plot with that whole "Russians built a base under the Star Mall" plot line and then having the gall to continue that with "Hopper in Russsia fighting the Ruskies". I get that anti-Russia paranoia was at one of its heights during the 80s and unironically after 2016 when S3 aired but none of this helped take the story any more seriously than "Billy is now the mindflayer instead of Will because reasons". It was really jarring to see people fall head over heels for this bullshit when it aired and then see the writers still push it through into S4, possibly because they were trying to milk David Harbour's popularity in the Black Widow franchise? It was all such deep cringe and it's amazing that we got two full seasons of it and that the show actually got super popular with it. All of it leading to a really lackluster story of doom and gloom which still hinges on one telekinetic girl screaming her heart out.

@alexpiperhalliwell

5 ай бұрын

I hate that they went for anti Russia plot coz as a Slav its just reinforcing stereotypes of us Eastern Europeans (yes people mistake us for Russians) and its overplayed they didnt add anything good to this trope just reinforced it in a bad way. It felt weird that Billy was turned bad but Will is magically so pure and innocent. I aint gonna lie Billy is the best of s3 for me and they just turning him bad right away felt like he was forced and he turnt into a hetchman. The way Harbour was Hellboy in 2019 yet people only talk about his mcu role is kinda telling that the brand really did the heavily lifting and he reinforces Russian sterotypes in it too. At this point s1 was where the show peaked and even though it gets popular the quality dropped.

@zainmudassir2964

5 ай бұрын

Anti Russia propaganda is staple of US media, followed by anti -arab racism

@0912sooli

5 ай бұрын

​@@alexpiperhalliwell so true and imagine how as Russian I felt lol I was more disappointed than angry cause I was so happy seeing Russian guy being the most popular new character from previous season and thought what an intresting thing to see "nice" Russian who actually can speak Russian... but then in this season its all goes around

@mxmissy

5 ай бұрын

@@alexpiperhalliwell God they just like.... I don't know but the way they wrote Billy was SO WEIRD. Look I am a Billy stan, yes I realise he's not a good person but I also have media literacy skills unlike a lot of ST fans. But like, the writing for him was just so weird... and it felt like they never really committed to anything with him. So they were like "hmmm.... we need a bad guy, what about Billy? He's a bad guy!". And I get that they needed a bad guy and the idea of someone being a servant of Vecna/The Mind Flayer is a cool idea... just wished it was executed better.

@taylornusteling8692

5 ай бұрын

​@mxmissy His backstop was very rushed too, it was only seen in a quick flashback montage. It could've been interesting. Yes, yes, he's an awful human being, however, it's a shame what could've been.

The first season seemed like a perfect one season story, and the ending felt open ended with thought to be had for the future of El. Like a good book you will think about it after but that doesn't mean you need more story. To think they wanted to do an anthology breaks my heart because it would have awesome to see different groups of humans interact with different spooky creations from the upside down without a solid connection between them.

@1sugarplum971

5 ай бұрын

THIS.

@lightworthy

5 ай бұрын

i think i subtly picked up on this myself, i LOVED season 1 but just couldn’t get myself to watch season 2 for some reason. i think this may have subconsciously been the reason

@overgrownkudzu

5 ай бұрын

especially since in an anthology you could've included hints and references that she survived or does thing

@LuisGustavoSO

4 ай бұрын

I actually disagree. Obviously S3 and S4 are something completely new, but most of the stuff in S2 feel like conclusions to plotlines from the 1st season. Hopper's relationship/trauma with his daughter mirroring his relationship with El; Will's trauma and his connection to the upside-down after being trapped there; Eleven and Mike finally going to the school dance, and their relationship coming full circle; Jonathan and Nancy finally being together; Amongst other things. S1 would be a fine, but flawed show if it was just it.

@pinkiepielunagirls4541

Ай бұрын

@@LuisGustavoSO i definitely think they were setting up for a season 2 (the will hallucination thing in the bathroom in the finale of s1 makes it pretty obvious) but i also think they ended s1 in a way that left loose ends, but the ends weren't *so* loose that a second season was desperately needed. tbh i've never watched past the first season either, i was satisfied with what i got and didn't feel like i needed more

As someone who never got into Stranger things it's so interesting watching the evolution of the shows discourse

@karabo171

5 ай бұрын

I didn't watch the show either and I gotta 100% agree

@samuelline9573

5 ай бұрын

@@ville__ uhh, what? Did you meant to comment under me, this feels very unrelated

@laincoubert7236

5 ай бұрын

i couldn't even finish season 1 for some reason, and it's weird seeing the show is still going on

@eatatjoes6751

5 ай бұрын

@@laincoubert7236 Never watched it, but it *FEELS* like I’ve watched it.

@emdove

5 ай бұрын

​@@samuelline9573 it's a bot.

As much as I have enjoyed Stranger Things over the years, I find it deeply frustrating to see Netflix only put its energy into specific projects and letting others that still do well only get one season, particularly in the teen-led supernatural television area. Stranger Things and Wednesday get multiple seasons, but shows that did well and were critically and audience acclaimed (i.e. Lockwood & Co) are deliberately under-marketed so they can cancel them without giving it chance to find its footing among a mainstream audience.

@charliehady6157

5 ай бұрын

Right??!! Lockwood & Co. and Shadow and Bone were genuinely so good. I was devastated when they got cancelled despite how much attention the shows got, even from non-book fans.

@tsukitanuki101

5 ай бұрын

Good shows get canceled so mid and seasonal rot like stranger things can continue. Very unfortunate

@brkli1485

5 ай бұрын

i will never forget what they did to "i am not okay with this"

@elricthethridelricthethird8964

5 ай бұрын

the pain i felt when Lockwood & Co, Shadow and Bone got cancelled was intense. they all were getting into their best arcs and Netflix has to cancel them for no effin reason just to give the budget to overhyped, overrated shows they have. i love ST, but shows that I mentioned deserves a 2nd and 3rd seasons

@dalekrenegade2596

5 ай бұрын

Can't forget Inside Job.

Hopper should've stayed dead after season 3. It would've completed El's emotional arc is season 3 and it would've gotten rid of the Russia subplot in season 4.

@bookshelfhoney

5 ай бұрын

Yeah he could've stayed dead, I wouldn't mind honestly. The actor gave a great performance but I hate the way they wrote him after season 1, he was just a big dumb yelling man like DON'T mess with my daughter I'll get my gun! Ugh

Every time I say this I feel like a criminal, but I'll say it again here: there is no reason for stranger things to exist after season 1, the first season is near perfect TV and the show could have easily ended there (with a proper ending I mean). I think if it was a limited series it would have been a masterpiece, and the more I think about it, the more I think the story doesn't have enough material for 5 seasons. Not to forget the quality decreases season by season, the second one was unnecessary but still a good sequel, but seasons 3 and 4 were straight bad. So even before the Schnapp fiasco I didn't want to watch the 5th season because the show got dumber and messier over the seasons and had many good ideas that weren't exploited enough. Anyway don't kill me guys.

@astrohaute

5 ай бұрын

Completely agree, i loved season 1 and still enjoyed season 2, but from 3 onwards it became obvious that the writers were just throwing shit at a wall in terms of the plot. I think the only reason it has had so much staying power is bc the writers are good at making new characters that will be fan faves (like eddie or robin) and there’s usually at least one really iconic scene or plot thread per season that makes people forget about how mediocre the rest of the show is (running up that hill sequence, scoops troop in s3). the writers are great at making lovable characters but they do a terrible job of keeping them consistent and doing their personalities justice (the change in hopper from s1-2 to s3-4 is JARRING, robin was nowhere near as teehee quirky in s3 as she became in s4).

@falconeshield

5 ай бұрын

It should've ended in S4. The hype of S4 was met. The cast was grown but not too much. It was juuuust before the pandemic. Had it been completed then the show would be a masterpiece.

@selmadjeziri8285

5 ай бұрын

@@astrohaute exactly, also Mike, Jonathan and even Nancy become kind of useless and don't exist outside of the romance.

@selmadjeziri8285

5 ай бұрын

@@falconeshield to end a show with such a bad season would be criminal in my opinion. Season 1 was the last for me, maybe season 2 but certainly not 4.

@LocalTorchwoodIntern

5 ай бұрын

Honestly I would rather see the outcome if the original premise (like AHS) was in effect and we didnt see the characters anymore. Like would have ST absolutely flopped or would it still be a juggernaut to this day but with different standards.

Stranger Things as an anthology makes so much sense! When I first watched season 2, the new characters such as Billy, Max, and Kali + her gang felt awkwardly written into the story, almost like they belonged in a different one.

@amthenewgamer

5 ай бұрын

Yeah same thing fools like you said about true Detective season 1. Season 2&3 of that show literally proves that you are absolutely right.

Wait wait wait...Stranger Things has been running for 8 YEARS...WHAT I FEEL SO OLD-

@asuka_the_void_witch

5 ай бұрын

not really. 7.5.

@asuka_the_void_witch

5 ай бұрын

(if we're counting the hiatus years)

@haliee

4 ай бұрын

when i saw a tweet wishing finn wolfhard a 20th birthday, i had to look away from my screen and process how many years it's been.... he will always be a 12 year old with mushroom hair in my mind

Argyle basically looks like myself, we have the exact same clothing style and I have his exact hair. When I first saw that dude on Stranger Things I finally was so excited to see someone who looked like me on a mainstream show. People compared us all the time when the season aired and thought it was hilarious. For most of my life I have gotten shit for it, the fact that they just dropped Eduardo Franco without any notice baffles me. It's sad.

I'm going to be honest - I like S03, its the silliest season and i just like it.

@fusetunes

5 ай бұрын

same here. i know it’s not as solid as season 1 but i really like seeing characters doing ‘goofy’ fun things and just hanging out and there’s a lot of that in s3, especially with steve’s group who is my favorite lol. plus i love retro mall aesthetics so it has some of my favorite visuals as well. but i’m definitely curious to know what it would’ve been like as an anthology too

@sketchycat6223

5 ай бұрын

Season 3 is my favorite, I love the campy stereotypical 80’s vibes compared to how grounded the other seasons are. The Mall is just such a great set piece & summer vibes just make it the easiest season to rewatch for me.

@asstrid_

5 ай бұрын

Me too! It might not be the best season story-wise, but it was fun. And it gave us the golden group of Steve, Erica, Robin, and Dustin which was fantastic

@sarahviola3942

5 ай бұрын

Me too the vibes are so good it makes me smile like crazy!!

@bookshelfhoney

5 ай бұрын

Have you seen the fear street trilogy because they have a big showdown in a 90's mall and I love it! I feel like nobody talks about those but I really liked them

I've been feeling more and more like there's the expectation in our current era for everything in media to be explained in depth and have every question answered in detail; like the quality of a story is judged less by internal consistency and more by how many tidbits there are to shove into a fan wiki article. That sucks for a lot of shows but esp for Strangers Things, bc like you said early on in this, the best, scariest, & most interesting parts of the story only work when we're left wondering about stuff. Not everything needs to have Deep Lore, sometimes the question marks are more satisfying bc they force you to actually engage with the story instead of just committing plot beats & trivia to memory.

@hassansulaiman3848

5 ай бұрын

I completely agree like the questions mark are really satisfying for viewers and fans because we are left wondering about the situation and what we think is the answer, and that is so cool and we don’t need more story or continuation and I always felt like season 3 was the final season of the show because of the emotional goodbyes and some of the characters finally leaving Hawkins

@overgrownkudzu

5 ай бұрын

yeah, the upside down felt really lovecraftian in the beginning, that looming dangerous thing you didn't understand fully. now they just do camping trips there.

@mjjjermaine

4 ай бұрын

+1

one infuriating thing about the stranger things creators and even the fanbase is this insistence that every single thing has actually been planned and is all part of this cool in-depth story they've had written since the very beginning, when it's kind of clear that some things are not thought out and the overall story is actually becoming worse and less coherent over time. I thought season 2 was maybe the best one, but the dip of quality from that to season 3 was... so abrupt? like, why are there so many more plot lines, why did we start adding more characters/putting side characters in main character positions, why did we introduce a hamfisted russian enemy plot that no one really liked? It really feels like there are no people telling the duffer bros "no" and just letting them add waaaay more things then needed, not telling them that less is more sometimes. this alongside the fact that they've had two zionists who spread misinformation on their platform has just caused me to become so disillusioned from a show that I actually did love at one point. Just so disappointing, dude.

@hassansulaiman3848

5 ай бұрын

Omg same I feel the same way this show has just got more bloated and too much things were just happening all at once, and objectively season 1 is the best and always will be and season 3 is objectively the worst

@youbasictoxicconch

5 ай бұрын

BBC Sherlock flashbacks (I haven't watched BBC Sherlock)

@roaringviking5693

4 ай бұрын

It's exactly what happened with Lost.

@someguy-ee5pd

4 ай бұрын

Literally. As a FNAF fan who had a friend insist that Scott planned everything from game 1, I just feel like people refuse to acknowledge that sometimes stories aren't planned 100% from the first moment

@LjuboCupic1912

4 ай бұрын

@@someguy-ee5pdthat example’s a bit redundant since Scott has literally said on multiple occasions that he makes it up as he goes along

Why can’t they just skip a couple of years and have them in college to develop the plot and let it breathe. They’re having the same issues with marvel where they refuse to age up Tom Holland when it’s been 10 years!!!

@falconeshield

5 ай бұрын

It's almost like uni doesn't exist in America mediums. It's always HS!

@johannaelloso9418

5 ай бұрын

​@@falconeshieldthat's why Gen V was so refreshing because it had main characters that were young adults except it was finally set in college instead of HS like every dark teen drama is

@Givemepeacealone

5 ай бұрын

@@falconeshield have them in the final year of high school Atleast! I’m sure the audience will be okay with skipping years after years of waiting. So annoyed when the first 6 projects after end game were set directly during or after end game and it’s like come on MOVE ONNN

@asuka_the_void_witch

5 ай бұрын

i mean peter got blipped so he's "younger" now because everyone who wasnt blipped aged normally.

@Starburst514

5 ай бұрын

I thought that was the plan for season five??? Didn't they say there would be a time skip?

something i really liked about season 4 is the break in eleven's and mike's relationship. you'd assume they'd be endgame considering their initial plotlines so I thought the twist on that was nice. mike falling out of love first really helps us grasp their characters in a light where they are finally individualized from each other.

I like Vecna too, but I wish it was the other way around: Vecna became that way because of the Mind Flayer. The Mind Flayer was this looming eldritch threat that needed a powerful medium to operate on Earth, while Vecna was his main servant, a figurehead that the characters and the audience could put a face to for the antagonists. Like Maul, Dooku, and Vader were to Sidious, or Saruman to Sauron. So I'm ok with the "direct human antagonist" angle, but not as the final boss in Stranger Thing's case.

@houndofculann1793

4 ай бұрын

Isn't that exactly what the characters thought about Vecna in S4 too until the full reveal? That he is "just" the general of the big bad

@Nite-Mite

4 ай бұрын

@@houndofculann1793 pretty much, yeah.

@cloutwolf5665

4 ай бұрын

Vecna is not in control of the mindflair and was groomed by it as a kid to be what he has become it’s pretty easy to get when you think hard enough. It was revealed in the stranger things stage play that he was never in control.

@Fatcat-ss6nh

4 ай бұрын

So basically what chthon was doing to Wanda in marvel comics.

Sad that being critical of something is interpreted nowadays as not liking it. Because you like something is more reason to be critical of its flaws. Ignoring flaws doesn't make you a fan, it makes you a sycophant. I just hope that whatever happens in season 5, they stick the landing and we can finish it with a satisfying conclusion. It doesn't have to be better than the preceding seasons, just well made.

@ohmyelliejean9156

4 ай бұрын

I was literally coming down to the comments to make this point. To me, constructive and respectful criticism is the highest form of love you can have for content you enjoy. It just shows that you care, that you love something so much that you want it to be the best it can be, and you want to engage with the creators on their vision. I love Star Wars, for example, but I have plenty of critical things to say about EVERY single movie and show, but I still unironically enjoy it all. And it's also how media improves, by people sitting down and talking about stuff that they love and how it could be better and then going and making that thing happen.

@williamgregg6339

4 ай бұрын

You can't even say you like/dislike something without someone getting mad because you don't have the same opinion as them. I never understood it.

@ohmyelliejean9156

4 ай бұрын

@@williamgregg6339 To be fair, I also think we've lost the art of saying "it was okay". Everything has to be the best thing ever made with zero flaws or worst thing ever made with no redeeming qualities that's an affront to the art of [insert media type here]. Nothing can be just a pleasant waste of a couple of hours or something you consume for the fun of it and then move on. In a scenario where people think in these extremes, it's much easier to be drawn into arguments when people disagree with you.

@williamgregg6339

4 ай бұрын

@@ohmyelliejean9156 - I agree. I love video games and every other game seems to be called "The best game ever "' by someone.

Nowadays, TV platforms seem to have this unfair standard that if a newer show doesn't reach the same ratings as this one show they milk the hell out of but isn't much better, if not even worse, they'll barely advertise it, cancel it, quietly cancel it or all of the above. The crew behind that new show are pressured to make the show perfect ALL THE TIME so it can get some decent ratings. And I don't think that's fair to shows that have potential but need more attention to prove it. And usually, that one popular show is controversially divisive with a long string of bad episodes or bad seasons and has gotten renewed for more seasons than any other show on their channel despite that. And they have some good or even great episodes or seasons but they're ultimately infamous and divide the fanbase. Nickelodeon has SpongeBob, Cartoon Network has Teen Titans Go, Disney Channel has Bunk'd, Fox has The Simpsons and I get the feeling Velma is gonna be this for Max for a while. And in this case, Netflix has Stranger Things. I actually never watched Stranger Things or most series these days unless they have already ended or the twists are so interesting and EVERYONE online is spoiling it that I have to watch it immediately! For instance, I just started Sense8 a few months ago and finished it last weekend. And yeah, I also want some sort of continuation. Maybe a miniseries about another cluster? Who knows?

@devonmunn5728

5 ай бұрын

Plus art is really subjective anyways so it's impossible to make any piece of art "perfect"

@SquidFiction

5 ай бұрын

YES, I was SO mad about Sense8. I’m glad that we at least got a over 2hr long finale to wrap things up, but it was so rushed given the circumstances. If they’d have got the same amount of advertising and backing from Netflix as Stranger Things did, I reckon it would’ve been just as, if not more successful. It had an interesting story line, a diverse cast of characters, they shot ON LOCATION, which required A LOT of money. I will never get over how Sense8 was done dirty.

I used to really like the show, but I personally feel like it should’ve ended after season 3, for several reasons: 1) It would basically result in the show being a trilogy of seasons, which just feels right. 2) The season ends by basically splitting up the main cast and sending them to new pastures and effectively ending this period of the characters’ lives, which feels as close to a definitive ending in this kind of show as it’s possible to get. 3) It’s the last season where the cast felt like they were the right age to play the characters. By the time season 5 comes out, the actors are going to visibly be a full decade older than they were when the show started, and trying to act like it’s only been a few years in total. I can’t see any version of the show where that isn’t super distracting and takes everyone out of it. 4) The same passage of time has resulted in a massive shift in cultural attitudes. The big 80s nostalgia boom that was in play when the show first debuted is no longer a thing (90s and early 00s nostalgia is clearly now the trend), and there’s a clear sense that the show’s warm throwback approach is starting to feel more than a little passé. 5) Season 3 was easily the biggest and most overblown season to date (which, unpopular opinion, is why it’s my personal favourite season). The 80s neon aesthetic is on full display, the action is more elaborate and brutal, the gore is through the roof, the comedy is broader, and the stakes are higher than ever - I mean the season literally climaxes with the fate of the world in the balance, a Soviet invasion to be stopped, a giant kaiju rampaging around a shopping mall, and even a big musical number in the midst of it all. There’s really no way the show could get bigger than that in my eyes, which may contribute to me feeling let down by season 4 and finding it quite anticlimactic. Add to that the various questionable story decisions that have been made in recent years, multiple cast members outing themselves as complete scumbags, and parts of the fanbase generally acting really cringey (the general response to Eddie in season 4 was a prime case of this), and it’s left me in a position where I’m doubtful I’ll even watch the final season. And that makes me really sad, because I used to really like this show, but it’s been really hard for me to muster up any enthusiasm for it at this point, and I’m curious to see how many others will be feeling the same when season 5 finally drops

@asuka_the_void_witch

5 ай бұрын

i'm in the extreme minority here but i've been on an 80s kick since i played GTA VC back in 2003 lol. i still listen to 80s pop music every weekend. but also i thought ST5 was gonna be a time jump with different characters? when did they decide it was going to be a direct continuation of ST4?

@hassansulaiman3848

5 ай бұрын

Omg same that’s where I felt like they could have ended the show and then season 4 came along I didn’t hate season 4 but oh boy was it bloated and messy with so many plot holes and hopper coming back this season just shows that the duffer brothers just really don’t have the balls to actually let one of the main characters just die and I feel like he could have just died and that would make allot more motivation for Joyce and El but no they kept him and made that season 3 scene of him sacrificing himself feel meaningless and Eddies death was so stupid and I knew it was coming it was so goddamn obvious and him feeling guilt of him running away was just stupid because he didn’t need to feel ashamed for running because that was just the most logical thing to do when you see a girl in your house get floated up in the air and get her bones snapped, but yeah his character clearly only exists so that they don’t have to kill of Steve

honestly I wish Vecna and 001 were two separate characters. seeing the Upside Down being framed as this eldritch, primordial dimension for 3 seasons and then finding out it somehow just popped into existence when Eleven defeated some guy was so disappointing. like, all of that build-up to the Mindflayer & Vecna being the biggest, most threatening villains of the show and his whole origin story is that he liked playing with spiders in his attic??

Great video, and I agree that the creative train has left the station a long time ago. The Eddie problem is the real evidence for that. The writers have been upping the ante with manipulating emotions, rather than telling a good story. Eddie was (for me) the best out of all the "Destined to die, one-season" characters. Instead of letting him be part of season 5 to help the kids save Hawkins, clear his name, and finally discover his true self, they do the opposite. Anyway, despite the quality, I won't be supporting this show through its original platform. I'm gonna watch it "elsewhere" because I will not be supporting Zionists. My completionist self just wants to know how it ends.

@stephaniewilliams6756

5 ай бұрын

We pirate here for sure, god bless the internet and free Palestine

@asstrid_

5 ай бұрын

Agree with this 100%. I felt that S4 had some cool stuff, but also a lot of awful decision-making with their storytelling. I also need to know how this mess ends, but I'll be pirating it for the same reason. Free Palestine

@LunaWitcherArt

5 ай бұрын

My problem with Eddie is that he didn't need to exist at all. He was only created so that the Duffer Brothers wouldn't have to kill Steve. Eddie serves the exact same purpose in the story: older teen that acts like a protector to the group and gets attached to one kid (Dustin), and dies to give said one kid a bit more drive to go through with the plot. Steve should have gone with Dustin to distract the beasts in the Upside Down. Steve should have died courageously trying to save Dustin - that decision makes way more sense to his character than to Eddie, who hasn't had an actual consequence of -running away instead of fighting- specifically, and whose main characteristic related to conflict is stated by him "There's no shame in running away". Steve was even talking about leaving for college soon, giving him already an out to not be in the next season (and that would make him dying all the more tragic, as well). Mike could have had ANY initiative and funded his own D&D club and been the DM, and we would still have that branch about Lucas choosing the team instead of the party and being replaced by Erica, growing up and drifiting apart thing. Chrissy could have been friends with Max since the beginning, they could have bonded over their need to go to the school counselor regularly and Max would know she was attacked by Vecna and tell the others, without needing someone ELSE to take Chrissy over to where she could die "in sight of plot-significant characters". Everything he did could have been done by a different character without making the story so bloated and contrived.

@FKA91

5 ай бұрын

And Steve should've died instead of Eddie. They built a very cute friendship between Dustin and Eddie, but ultimately, we didn't really see much of it. Dustin's tears over Eddie's body and his "I love you" seem like they should have been reserved for Steve. But the writers are cowards. So they'd rather have Steve pining over his ex of 3 years 🙄.

@baashasucks

5 ай бұрын

I'm sorry I can't stop focusing on the Zionist thing. What the fuck does that mean. Are you implying the fucking concept of piracy is Zionist?

Its mostly because of Noah Schnapp. For me atleast.

@pllandstfan

5 ай бұрын

Honestly I think some people should be open minded to at least try to understand that everything has gotten completely mixed up.

@dhruv9744

5 ай бұрын

@@pllandstfan go look at what he said. It’s not exactly the type of statement that has an “up to interpretation” aspect to them.

@BuildinWings

5 ай бұрын

@@pllandstfan Neither he nor Brett Gelman were subtle about calling ALL Palestinians valid war targets.

@Renee5322

5 ай бұрын

I'm glad he said what he did, and he has no reason to apologize

@dhruv9744

5 ай бұрын

@@Renee5322 good for u dude

I’ll really never understand how badly mikes character was like abandoned after season 2…like..completely abandoned

Ugh, the bringing back Eddie thing really bothers me. He had such a great arc, and while I can conceive of ways for him to return, they all feel like fanfic in my head, and I don't want this show to become fanfic of itself. Eddie should be the kind of boogeyman kids in Hawkins tell each other about: "Don't go out there at night or Eddie Munson will get you."

@jellogirl2010

5 ай бұрын

The demand for Eddie and Argyle to come back is driving me to the edge. Both served their purpose, there's no need to bring either of them back.

@realestsienna

5 ай бұрын

@@jellogirl2010argyle wasn’t even funny, he was annoying so idk how ppl liked him so much

@mjjjermaine

4 ай бұрын

I agree, the earlier part of the video that said characters became relevant based on “how many funko pops they sell“ feels especially relevant with Eddie.

@the.44magnumisamonster

16 күн бұрын

i will be so pissed off if they bring him back, let him be dead

I liked the mind Flayer when it seemed like some random entity that just so happened to get mixed up with our world, got into it with Eleven and just had a vendetta against her. It being 001 the whole time was just kind of disappointing tbh

I felt like season 3 should have had a two year time jump. Not only would it have made the kids ages closer to the actors' real ages but it also would have added to the sense of calm and normalcy the characters seem to be experiencing at the beginning of the season. Two years in a row of spooky stuff happening would surely put people on edge but two years of no spookyness would lure the characters into a false sense of safety and perception that all that really is over. Which I think would have made for a better story. I think it could have worked. Nancy and Johnathan having those internships already feels like they have jobs. Steve's overall dissatisfaction with life and loss of "rizz" (sorry) would make more sense for some who has been bouncing around dead end jobs for a year or two. Joyce would have had more time to grieve Bob's death. I know we would have missed important milestones like Nancy and Jonathan graduating and the kids going to highschool but who really cares? Season 3 was silly and tonally very different from season 1 and 2 but I ultimately really enjoyed it. Season 4, on the other hand, was really messy in a way which I found hard to ignore. So much of it felt like filler because they were trying to give all the characters something to do but there are just too many characters at this point. They should have had two or three less episodes. They should have trimmed the fat and focused on telling a concise and compelling story. I've enjoyed stranger things a lot and I will probably watch season 5 any way but it should have been a limited series that ended with season 1.

Honestly, I would bet my money, that when final season of Stranger Things will be out, everyone will forget they where even mad at the first place…

@wowlookatthathugestringof8s

5 ай бұрын

I have been mad since season 3 and will be mad until I die about the wasted potential this show was.

@lucythestrawberry

4 ай бұрын

i know. everyone has every right to be mad, but i don’t think season five will flop, because of how big the show has always been.

Yeah, I agree. The problem with Netflix is the quality in their TV shows tend to go downhill after the second or third season. We’ve seen it so many times with the umbrella Academy, the orange is the new black, the Witcher, and most recently sex education. It’s like the writers at Netflix don’t know how to write convincing character development for more than just one season. All Netflix shows have this problem. I don’t think there is a Netflix original that is a masterpiec from start to finish. Even older shows like the Fall and the killing. The first seasons were always well done, but when the second seasons come along, they become underwhelming.

@waldoododo

5 ай бұрын

i agree. the fact that i can only think of two netflix shows who had better second seasons is... saying a lot about their quality

@recycledideas4261

5 ай бұрын

Bojack Horseman had a rocky start but ended strongly.

@possumbb3759

5 ай бұрын

@@recycledideas4261 doesnt count since its animated

@recycledideas4261

5 ай бұрын

@@possumbb3759 Animation is a storytelling medium. Bojack being an animated show doesn’t make it any less impactful.

@crfstewarje

5 ай бұрын

Kipo And The Age of Wonderbeasts stuck its landing, as did Hilda. Also, you say, "Writers at Netflix" as if because something is a Netflix original, that means that Netflix is exclusively behind its writing. The show is just distributed to them.

one theory i've had about super popular franchises like this is that in the first instalment, when it's still new and the platform is a little more hesitant to go all out on it, the writers had limitations. they had restraint. they couldn't always do everything they wanted, so they focused on what really mattered to the story. to me that's why season 1 of ST felt so freaking good. everything had their place. nothing felt unnecessary. it was tight knit and satisfying, because it HAD to be. but once the franchise grows popular, the creators get more control and leeway, and suddenly, it seems like plotlines that would usually be cut are given the go-ahead. whatever they wanted to add to the story, they could, because the platform knew the show was going to make them a billion dollars regardless. so now we have episodes that are 1+ hour long, each with four or five basically useless plotlines that very easily could have been written out (the russian / jopper stuff, the eddie manhunt led by the basketball team, those are a few storylines that i felt existed just to pad the runtime. it's kind of wild these plotlines exist OVER giving characters like jonathan something interesting to do). also the fact that hopper came back to life is just proof that they're not caring as much about the story as they used to. they don't have to. because they will make a billion dollars regardless. anyway lol in terms what i actually wanted to see from the show, there was a brief but warm interaction between joyce and eleven in season one, and when eleven moved away with the byers, i was like FINALLY! we're about to see some more interactions between eleven and joyce!! eleven never had a mother figure or a normal family dynamic before. we'll get to see her hanging out with will and jonathan! and then the show decided having joyce go to russia to save a man who should have died last season was more interesting.

@tempoticandmeepstar7584

4 ай бұрын

I’m glad I’m not the only one who was upset at the lack of Joyce and Eleven scenes. I would have loved to see Joyce being motherly to Eleven once again. We had that one scene back in season 1, and I fell in love with it. They really robbed us of some Winona and Millie scenes in season 4. That would have been a great dynamic both of the actresses would have been stellar at.

I didn't know ST was supposed to be an anthology series, it makes a lot more sense now what I always told people about S3 changing the tone of the series. I know people don't like S2 much, but for me I always felt it was more in tune with S1 than S3 and S4 ever were. The russian's plot always felt like another plot mixed in, it made season 3 more interesting for sure , but it took away the focus, I was more interested in what was going on with the russians which means I was more interested in Hoper and Joyce and Steve and the Scoops troop than I was on the kids that were supposed to be the focus, for me Eleven is a side character in S3. This translated horribly in S4 because the russian plot is super interesting, however, it is pointless to the rest of the story, it could have been a spin-off. I think S5 will be entertaining just like S4, but at the end of it everyone will say it was not actually good.

@maggierhee0

4 ай бұрын

no s3 is perfect but people always want horror things so they dont like s3

Stranger Things season 4 erased so much potential. I'm not a fan of Vecna because the explanation that he was responsible for everything just made no sense. I mean, his whole plan is to kill children just to open the gate and bring the Upside-Down into our world? Really? Because he hates humanity? Really? And he's responsible for everything? REALLY? Okay. If he could send a Demi-Gorgon back and forth, why would he need all the deaths? If he was responsible for Barbara's death, why did the Demi-Gorgon still hunt by blood scent? Why Barbara? Why not attack the doctors at the facility or Papa? If he created the Mind Flayer, doesn't that fly against everything said in season 2 and 3? If Vecna was the mindflayer why didn't it act with intent as soon as it laid eyes on 11? If Vecna was responsible for Billy, why didn't the converted Billy or that weird thing in the mall battle immediately recognize 11? Vecna has to be the 1st villain in villain history to not recognize and attack he arch-enemy. . .several times. In season 2 it was pointed out that the Upside/Down was slowly invading our world. If Vecna could do that what did he need 11's powers for? Why convert all those humans into that thing who's entire purpose was to wound 11 just to steal her powers? (OMG, I'm beginning to see how right you are here.) And Season 4 did the one story trope I'm done with in all Super Hero stories - the hero loses their powers. What a dumb way to bring back Papa. I suspect there was a lot more to why they decided to go all Palpatine in Rise of Skywalker with season 4, but that's a whole can of worms I won't touch in this comment section. As to the two actors coming out for Zionism - yep, that's a deal breaker for me. No excuses in my geek world for genocide. I don't think I'll be watching Season 5. It could have been one hell of an alien invasion story, now it's just Saw meets Nightmare on Elm street, and not in a good way.

@HoundsBane

5 ай бұрын

Yes. Everything feels retroactively added/shoehorned in. Which is fine, most stories evolve & unfurl with the creators as they go along naturally & build on what came before. However, the events of ST felt tacked on & like they were just trying to top what came before rather than expanding naturally. It doesn’t feel natural especially in the most recent season. Not to mention feeling insanely bloated. The connective tissue & character motivations just feel Lacking.

@guybeleeve

4 ай бұрын

I agree, it made absolutely no sense how 11 was able to defeat Creel when he is the original telekinetic force, plus papa had an inhibitor implanted in him because he was way too dangerous and powerful. Yet this child who didn’t even know how to use her powers properly and was basically created from his blood was able to not only defeat Creel but send him into another dimension. Then she defeated him twice, that’s very sequel trilogy like.

@therayosunshinexx

2 ай бұрын

to answer the vecna/mindflayer stuff- he didnt create the mindflayer. theyre separate entities with their own motives. it wasnt explained in S4 which is unfortunate, but it gets hashed out in the VR game and the first shadow

I feel like the problem of Vecna is that they wanted him to be this big bad glooming over 11 but then oh he aint the last one so he kinda not really that big bad. Its like he was viewed as the main villain but nah he is a sideman. I agree that lots of chars are 1 dimensional and seem unnecessary for the story. I have a problem with it too. I will most likely not watch s5 coz I got tired of how chars got handled and watching s4 was already exhausting for most of the time.

You are my favorite youtuber and I am currently, and randomly, in a stranger things hole right now. Seeing this on my feed just made my day. How do you ALWAYS make videos on exactly what I’m looking for??? Love you Kayla please continue to keep up the amazing content and thank you for your videos. They have a bigger impact on people than you’ll ever know and are some of the best I’ve ever seen on this platform P.s. would love a video on how you got into the industry/ your experiences etc if you’d ever be willing to make one!!

The Rise of Skywalker frustration is so real.

@asuka_the_void_witch

5 ай бұрын

disney killed star wars for me. for good. well not for good but it's on the thinnest ice possible without being called just water.

I could just CRY watching this video, you hit the nail on the head with every problem that I’ve had with this show, and yet, going on Twitter and seeing people say the complete opposite this whole time, I felt like I was going nuts. That I wasn’t seeing what they were seeing, but YOU saw what I saw, and the comments I’ve seen here have too :’) so THANK YOU 🙏🏻

I agree with all of your criticisms about season 4 but for me the biggest reason for my dislike of it was the runtime. The extra time was not even used to develop the characters from the main cast but instead to focus on new characters we have no investment in or plotlines that went nowhere.

Noah and Brett play quite main characters in the show, Noah especially. Argyle was a very one note comedy sidekick character. The way they wrote him seemed very difficult to ever do anything serious or develop him. So I can see why he was ditched for the last season so they can focus on the main cast of original characters and wrapping up the story.

This would have been a really cool anthology series. What would this have looked like if there was a story in say, the 1920s, and then the 1950s in the same town with different main characters and various threats that relate to the overall larger threat?

Stranger Things is one of my favorite shows. I genuinely loved season 4 and I’ll admit that even I didn’t expect Argyle to return for season 5, so the whole Eduardo thing took me by surprise when it happened. It’s so funny that people are hating on it now because I guarantee it’s gonna do insane numbers when it comes out, even from people hate watching 😂

@pegacorn13

5 ай бұрын

YES: this!!!!!

“The fact that these 20 year olds now have to play 15 year olds and we all just have to be okay with that.” why is stranger things the ONLY show where people point this out?? for a TV show a 5 year age gap is COMPLETELY reasonable. yet we have literal 30 year olds on euphoria playing high schoolers and nobody says anything about that. make it make sense. and argyle was not "fired" he is irrelevant to the plot of season 5 and was simply not asked back. its not that deep.

@natsby4life842

5 ай бұрын

Because Euphoria's 30-year-olds were not hitting puberty on screen lmao The thing with ST and other shows with young actors is that they have 15 year old characters played by 15 yeard old actors and we're asked to believe the characters remain 15 when the actors are past 20

@jackisafanofthings

5 ай бұрын

@@natsby4life842Noah, Millie and Priah are all still teenagers and not one of the main kids are older than 22. Never once have I watched the show and thought they looked too old to play high schoolers. If that’s something you can’t get past then that sounds like a you problem.

@natsby4life842

5 ай бұрын

@@jackisafanofthings Chill, I don't even watch Stranger Things, just genuinely answering your question lmao

@user-xr7ci8tf3e

5 ай бұрын

It’s definitely not the only show that this gets brought up for lol

@moveslikeninja1

4 ай бұрын

thank you!

one thing that really confuses me is how everyone seems to have forgotten about the "stranger things hotel" that netflix was going to make that used to be a lithuanian c(...) camp. and apparently a season was partially filmed there - which i'm guessing was season 4 based off of the article i read that was posted in july of 2022. if anyone is interested, i found the article at the jewish chronicle.

I know this is probably an unpopular opinion but s3>=s2. Tho both seasons had there different issues, I still really enjoyed them. I liked s3 slightly more because it just felt very different in comparisons to the other seasons, but like in a good way. Idk it was just a fun watch. S4 was ok.. but nothing in comparisons to the other 3 seasons. I didn’t like how very split the groups were that season. I didn’t really like the Russian and California plot. They should’ve kept everything in Hawkins in my opinion. I also really hate the fact they haven’t killed any of the main characters yet (even tho I love them all), they really should’ve kept some characters dead like Hopper… and now maybe even Max as well. I just feel like they lost a lot of that risk factor because they refuse to kill any main characters, and just kill off the new ones they introduce. I’ll still be tuned into s5 tho. I’ve invested too much time on this story and characters. I wanna see how it all wraps up and ends. Regardless if it’s sh*t or not.. the one thing that I could always count on the Duffer brothers for doing is creating a fun watch in my spare time.

@hassansulaiman3848

5 ай бұрын

Thank you I have the same problem with this show

@JaredOn_YT

5 ай бұрын

I agree. In my head S2 and S3 always merge into one season, and I only really remember the mall portions.

Vecna to me feel like such a writing cop out. ~~oh he was there the whole time pulling strings~~ no he wasn’t! You guys wrote him in because writing a big bad like that is easier than something more ambiguous. Edit: lol I wrote this comment at the same time you were saying the exact same thing. Clearly couldn’t agree more.

@byler4eva_or_whateva

3 ай бұрын

I think people misunderstand that the mind flayer is the one behind it all. Yes, Vecna's pulling the strings but under the mind flayers command. Vecna didn't create the mind flayer, he just shaped it. Vecna's the mind flayer's "five star general". So, I think in the end they will have to defeat the mind flayer.

To be honest, I feel like one thing that surprinsingly did a disservice to the quality of the show was its increase in budget. I'm not a expert or anything, and ultimately I have no idea of how things are run behind the scene and what working with a smaller budget does to creators and workers on the show, but to me Stranger Things was at its peak when it was emulating the feel of an 80's movie : a thighter cast, lower quality cameras, cheaper costumes, a minimal use of cgi and expensive props, showing less of the monster to save some pennies, resulting in a sort of tension that really felt similar to the one in Alien for example. Idk, maybe the show having such a huge success was really what doomed it in the end.

I didn't know it was originally meant to be an anthology series, and now I'm upset we didn't get to see that

Why do people keep talking about the ages! Tons of actors play younger roles as adults. These actors still look like teenagers.

@labyrinth123

5 ай бұрын

totally

@moveslikeninja1

4 ай бұрын

for real

Stranger Things would have been better off as an anthology series.

I keep seeing a lot of critique on s4 and I get it, it’s justified… but I unironically love it and have seen it 8 times. And I’ll probably watch it. Three more times until season five comes out. 😂😂

@HoundsBane

5 ай бұрын

And that’s fine. I’m glad you did! I wanted to love it! It was just too much for me

@Idontwantahandle11

5 ай бұрын

I really enjoyed it! but I try not to take it to seriously :]

This show has fully become another instance of the Heroes problem where they just add more character types, not fully developed and the rest of the homegrown kids/main players are on the bench while wasting time collecting these people.

Some excellent points - and I especially agree that it's mostly the newer characters that get the most story & development, so it can feel so lopsided on the character arcs per season. I don't think cringe should be shorthand for bad though, but that may just be my age talking lol. Cringe is so subjective!

@bookshelfhoney

5 ай бұрын

One man's cringe is another man's...binge?

12:57 id initially thought when we heard sex education was ending with season 4 (mostly because it was phrased as if it wasn’t canceled ) that it was the choice of the show runners and writers. When it aired it became abundantly clear that wasn’t the case and it was just another situation where they had a full season planned and had to scramble and do what they could mid production to wrap it up because it was quietly canceled and they were “allowed” a final season rather than Netflix just shutting it down as it was (like GLOW). When on of the writers came out and said thats pretty much what happened, it made so much sense. Imagine what would’ve happened to say a show like bojack horseman if the show runners hadn’t had the foresight to say “hey at least give us a heads up before we start producing a season if you’re going to cancel it anyways so we can give it an ending”. Everyone else who’s had the unfortunate opportunity to make a show at Netflix has been getting fucked over since 2019 consistently and ruthlessly and it’s fucking ridiculous. Anyways, any time I hear a “show is ending” atp over at Netflix it’s a dead giveaway for “we cancelled this but we really don’t want backlash for explicitly saying we’ve tossed this show for the 30th time”

@user-iw8wl9wu8y

5 ай бұрын

This all being said, I’m really fucking surprised out of all the shows they’ve made these last 7 years, *the umbrella academy* is the show that ended up being the anomaly. Even as someone who had watched it from season 1 I was surprised it got renewed no matter how much I liked it or good I thought it was, let alone got renewed for 4 and 5 after season 3.

With respect, I actually do like Stranger Things. Even the weaker seasons have enough good parts to make the series enjoyable overall. But we do need to hear dissenting opinions and I can totally see where Kayla is coming from. Great channel btw!

On point as always, thanks!! 😍😍😍😍

7:50 YES YES YES!! this is my main issue with season 4 but i find it so hard to articulate for some reason. it just took away so much of this otherworldly feeling that stranger things had going well

totally agree about the Vecna/mindflayer plot point, by adding Vecna as the explanation behind everything (who, don't get me wrong, I do rly like as a character) they've made the big, main monster into something more accessible, and therefore less scary. when the monster was otherworldy, completely inhuman and unknowable, that's when it was scariest, in my opinion. the "it was actually this one evil boy who grew up to be an evil man who turned into a monster" explanation feels like it dilutes the terror and satisfaction of the scariest parts of the upside down.

As a person named Chrissy who does not watch Stranger Things, the barrage of 'Chrissy Wake up' memes I was sent almost made me lose my mind. Replying 'I don't like this' made it even worse. This show SHOULD have only been 2 seasons, let it pass away.

it hit me the other day abt how long it’s been running. i was like “aw they were so little!” and remembered they’re only 1-2 years younger than me, so therefore i was just as little. it’s insane

Yeah, It was disappointing that the mind flayer ended up not being its own entity. That being said season 2 was my least favorite and I despise Mike with a burning passion. I like Vecna, I really do, but I would've liked it if he and the mind flayer worked in tandem with it being his second in command while he is the leader. Your palpation connection hit harder than I thought it would and I thank you for that. As for the character killing, it doesn't work with a show like stranger things. An example would be characters from Buffy (spoilers if you are watching or planning on watching it, so heed your own risk) Buffy will introduce characters in the same season and kill them off, the only difference is that with a longer episode count it allows for more things to linger. Season 4 is prominent with the main baddie killing the leader of the initiative and then frankenstining most the soldiers there by the seasons end. While Tara was introduced in season 4, she was killed off in season 6 to push willow over the edge. Then there is Jonathans death in season 7. These are 3 different kinds of deaths: The initiative leader was killed of to show the severity of the new big bad for the rest of the season, this was also the turning point (and I think it was the midseason finale) Tara as described was there for 3 season before dying, this was shock value because the scene preceding it was so terrifying you'd never think she would be in danger, only Buffy and Xander. Her death was one of the saddest in the series and provided an ample reason for Aunt lily to lose her shit and flay a man. Then there is Jonathan, a side character in early seasons then a villain in later, his death was impactful because you'd never think it'd happen to a fan favorite that wasn't part of the main cast. The duffers fail at this because not only did they make it a formula to kill of the likable character that joins for a season then dies Barb and benny Bob Alexi and technically Billy and Now Eddie It would've been bold for them to kill off Max and really show Vecna is a force to be reckoned with and could've set up that now no character was safe in the final season. As much as I was happy for her to live, the emotions we went through with her death is now meaningless and if she dies for real in season 5, it might not have an impact like the duffers want. Sorry for this essay level comment but its what I think.

I used to be a huge fan of this show but the cracks starting showing around s3 and i think it should've ended after that.

i loved stranger things for YEARS as it was my fav show but I'm a firm believer that it could've been finished with 3 seasons (with some more closure of course).

So happy to see your channel continue to grow! Btw, if you're taking requests, please do "How The Internet Fell Out of Love with Shane dawson"

8:55 my one critique to you is that the show is an obvious homage to HP Lovecraft and the concept of dreaming an entity existence is a direct reference to Azathoth (another Lovecraft diety) who is a center of the universe dreaming the entirety of time and space so that it may exist so i enjoyed the reveal as it shows just how the consistent the writers are about their Lovecraft knowledge

Vecna was ORIGINALLY a DnD character before he was on Stranger Things. A might arch lich that looks exactly like he does in the show

Fascinating. Stranger Things qas never for me. I wasnt into a lot of the media it was referencing. So watching people dislike it has been interesting and im glad you've explained more of it.

They lost me after they started in with that goofy red scare shit lol.

Guys, 20 something year olds playing teens is NOT a problem. Some ppl look like teenagers.

I remember some discontent with where the show was at and the delay leading up to season 4, and it satisfied most fans when it released. Chill, people, and let’s just see what happens when it drops.

The VR video game for Vecna just revealed that he isn't the "mastermind," that is in fact "the General" of the mindflayer after all. The mindflayer already existed and was talking to him to get him out into the real world, then Henry/Vecna decided to do things his way and failed-ish. What that means for the season five is that even though Vecna is on fire and shotgunned in the chest and has to "find a new body" or "the bloody hand of Kas" or maybe Jason's body thats now in two pieces in the Creel house where Vecna an Jason both were when the hole opened up and split Jason, letting his body fall to the depths of the upside down. Or maybe he crawls all the way to Eddie's body, and Eddie's mind will have to help them fight back against him. But I digress, it simply put, means that the first "hit the ground running and action is happening and people are actually dying episodes" will probably be against the actual mindflayer who is not on fire or dying from shotgun wounds. Then once the team thinks they have beaten the mindflayer or Will (possessed by the mindflayer as his body on the rightside up), they will again have to fight Vecna in whatever new form he takes. I'm thinking the mindflayer will be in Thesslehydra form this season, since he does have that "Ghostbusters' turn into the thing you are most afraid of" vibe and he loves Will's D&D filled brain.

I don’t even watch stranger things but I love hearing Kayla talk

I realize I am very much in the minority in that S1 is my least favorite. It's good, but it took a long time to hook me, and I enjoyed the story a lot more after Max joined the group in S2. I was never a hard-core fan, but I liked watching 3 and 4 a lot. That said, certain characters have not been well served by the writing, and the death of Eddie Munsen made me actually angry with the pointlessness of it. There was no reason whatsoever for him to die narratively; the in-universe logic of it is so weak it's insulting. And it only served to make Eddie one more addition to the show's worst pattern, introducing a character only to kill them for stakes and tragedy, because the core cast have been gifted the thickest possible plot armor. Even as a casual fan of the series, the prioritization of fan service over good story has stuck out to me, and is my biggest criticism when it comes to Stranger Things.

@SquidFiction

5 ай бұрын

Totally agree with you about Eddie, the one reason I enjoyed the slog of what I felt was season 4, is now gone, and so was I lol.

i know damn well everyone’s gonna preach the boycott and still watch it. a show that huge is basically untouchable. plus i don’t personally think it’s fair that the hard work of writers, producers, costume designers, other actors etc should be diminished bc of one controversial take

me thinking Stranger Things had reached it's downfall in S2.

Honestly, the only thing wrong with Stranger Things is the refusal to kill off main characters! Hopper shouldn't have come back and Steve and Max should *not* have survived season 4. It would've been devastating but also the right plays for the story.

RAID SHADOW LEGENDS AD??? DUDE YOUVE OFFICIALLY MADE IT

@alejandrocervantes3624

5 ай бұрын

Sponsor almost as old as the show itself

God, I love Stranger Things so much. It really sort of got me back into both reading and writing fanfiction (not that I stopped I just sort of ... lulled it). Like, it really is just great. But man... there are some choices that I just fucking hate. A lot of it is what you've touched on and others in the comments. I know a lot of people dropped out during s2, like my partner for example, but I love s2 it's neat. But there are a lot of things throughout the whole series that I really like, like a lot of the world building is just fantastic, and even the characters we meet are super cool, but there are moments where I just go "hmm". Like Kali was cool as, I loved her little rag tag team, but the fact that you can just say "El met a girl she was in the lab with and then she met her mum and then she came back to Hawkins" and you really didn't miss anything really sucks. That and the Duffers have a real weird issue with BIPOC folks. Like the fact that Lucas in S1 was the only person of colour (aside from his family of course), and then in S2 Billy just happens to be racist??? To the only BIPOC? Like, I do know that it's the 80s, and not everyone is going to have the same politics as 2023/2024. And I'm not saying Billy isn't. But it just feels weird to be like "hey so we need a bad guy, and people hate racists, right?" Like, Dacre felt uncomfortable saying the n-word, which I don't blame him. But the Duffers imho did such a poor job at like.... making him racist w/o being overt about it. And this isn't to say that to be racist you need to say the n-word. It's just that, all Billy sees is this kid who seems to be bothering his step-sister, sure he doesn't like her, but he's going to protect her. Oh and he happens to be black. And let's not start on the token-isation (I mean Erica is "Sassy Black Girl"). Stranger Things has a tonne of issues, diversity is a huge one. And it feels REALLY weird to just... not invite Argyle back. I get that he's not a core member of the show, but... he drove people there? I assume they'll just timeskip I suppose to explain why he's gone. It just... it's really disappointing to be a fan of this show. The fandom doesn't help half the time as well.

Argyle also doesn't fit the tone of the finale at all, which is going to be very serious. And they want to focus on the main cast which is WHAT THEY SHOULD'VE DONE FROM THE START rather than introducing new characters and then focusing on them just to kill them off at the end. So I'm honestly glad argyle wont be present, because while I like him, characters like Will Jonathan and Mike NEED the focus. They have been sidelined and need to go back into the spotlight to really bring back the unity and focus of season 1, because the story feels disjointed ever since those 2 were shoved aside (which was season 3 and 4) for fancy new killable characters.

I think the first two seasons were the best, I also feel the later seasons have too much going on and ironically too little plot development, while I appreciate seeing just more of the characters lives, I just think it can get a bit muddled what is relevant and important to the plot, and perhaps it's going a bit too off the original track that the first two seasons have

@beepbeepworm

5 ай бұрын

I also think maybe there didn't have to be a big evil mastermind behind it all terrorising this group of teenagers and they were doomed from the very start, maybe it could literally just be a complete accident that Will ended up in the upside down and just leave El to be the mysterious "doomed" character, not by Vecna though, but by her past and such, Papa and the experiences she had as a child

i had no idea about that noah snap thing and now im a little pissed off. to me he seems very intitaled and bratty, like the whole thing with doja cat and him just leeking privet dms for shits and giggle rubed me the wroung way, dont get me wroung doja reacted poorly her self but noah knew he could get away with that with no repercutions and now him posting himself as PRO zionost, is dicusting. he was given such a big platform from being om stranger things and hes just being an intitaled little shit

@christianwise637

5 ай бұрын

I'll be honest Noah Schnapp had been giving me "douchebag" vibes for quite a while for some reason, so it's kind of vindicating to know that my assessment wasn't too far off at all

@pllandstfan

5 ай бұрын

He's a kind person. And it seems that no matter what he did or does since he was 12 years old, he's always wrong to some people. I don't get it. He's been the friendliest to the fans and so out going with people. And then he gets completely judged for coming out gay. That's where this real hatred started. That's really sad. Guess what I'm bi. He's only 19 and more than half the stuff he got hated on was while he was a minor child. That's disgusting. Sorry but this is one Noah fan who will always support him.

@user-xr7ci8tf3e

5 ай бұрын

@@pllandstfan he is actively supporting a genocide, so I guess you are too

@drenter477

4 ай бұрын

@@pllandstfanI literally saw no one hating him for being gay besides the known homophobes. Like, Pizza haters hate pizza (This is coming from a Bi man)

@kanna.k1zuch145

4 ай бұрын

@@pllandstfan He is NOT a 'kind person.' He supports genocide. His sexuality does not make that any lesser, coming from a lesbian.

completely agree with the points made in this video. season 1 ( in my opinion) was the only season that felt polished, season 2 was forgettable, season 3 was way to over the top 80s stereotype and every episode of s4 was way too long and split the gang up which I think was the worst decision they could of made for the gang and it annoys me that there isn't any character development for 11 or will. like 11 was THE main character and it felt like she had no personality other than being used by Brenner and the gang. will isn't even a main character in my eyes so if they do decide the write him out I don't think it would that much affect on the story.

@hassansulaiman3848

5 ай бұрын

One thing that always bothers me is that will was always the main character and always will be, fans saying that eleven is the main character of the show it’s just false, the show literally started with will,and after season 2 they made him very useless and unimportant and just forget about him, but I’m glad that the duffer brothers said that will will be a focal and vital point in season 5 because the show started with will and it should end with will

all valid points but the whole “with cable they were able to church out 22 episodes in a year” like. im perfectly ok with waiting several years for a tv show to drop if that means the cast and crew arent overworked?

I’d love to hear your thought on The First Shadow!! More backstory about Henry my fav

love ur new pfp & banner 💞 it’s giving brittany’s shoot for the broski report

i don’t think the boycott is gonna work, because there is a lot of people that is going to watch the show anyways

I'm just glad that there is one season left. I will end up watching it, because unfortunately I'm too caught up and involved in the series now to just drop it. Especially with it being the last season. I will not watch spin offs though.

i will die on the hill that stranger things should've been a miniseries.

Stuff like this makes me happy that Lisa Ambjörn wanted Young Royals to be a three-act story and got what she wanted. No filler, a complete story as intended completed in 2 years and 8 months from when s1 aired to when s3 will air in March.

honestly season 3 was a drag to get through, i still haven’t finished season 4, i can’t imagine why the decided to stretch beyond two seasons

I wish Vecna’s character design had been more scary looking and not looked so much like the grinch with his lil belly pouch

@SquidFiction

5 ай бұрын

Same! I can’t take his appearance seriously, especially now with all the memes. His earlier designs looked more scary to me.

@8:40 exactly. It felt very shoehorned in (cause it was) and you said it best. Also, no disrespect to Vecna, but the mind flayer was still 100x scarier than him

Kayla gurl I’ve been WAITING for this one

With everything that's been going on I feel like the show should've concluded with the second season rather than adding seasons 3 and 4. Personally season 2 was my favorite but I feel like it's still a good conclusion if they would've decided to wrap it up there.

I think that your new setup would really benefit from some additional lighting, especially to your face. I know you want to draw attention to that awesome accent light behind you but you could still balance that with additional lights. Love your new branding, sign, and content. ❤

I hope they don't bring back characters from the dead to life. Eddie was great but don't make him the marvel loki

Season 1 and even 2 were good. After that, it almost felt like a chore to keep watching it. There were some good points in each season, but overall I couldn't even tell you what really happened in season 4. I cancelled Netflix a while back and said when season 5 comes out I 'll get it back, I don't think I even want to do that anymore. It has been SO long between seasons I kind of forgot about the show all together.