Love that you used a TV + VCR combo for this, like you said a perfect marriage of old technologies

I learned a lot. Now my brain is shutting down and I'm sleepy. But I had to look up many terms and definitions for those terms and commit to memory. I may have to write a lot of it down. Thank you for the interesting content.

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind comment. I suppose there’s to be some assumed knowledge when watching. My life in gaming and Phonedork are great starters

This is an exceptionally well executed and implemented mod. Good work!

@MarcoRetro316

10 күн бұрын

Thank you! I initially thought it would be a little gimmicky but it turned out to be pretty functional

Enjoyable video. I definitely learned some cool things about CRT's that I didn't know before.

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Thank you and I’m and glad you could learn something from it

Great work ! I am in the same boat, no cutting and bad unrevercable mods

nice modification you deserve a subscription

Ohh you had to throw that Nights footage in at the end! Looks really good on that set but man is it expensive!

Incredible work, excellent mod!

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! Cheers!

Ultimate combo for modding. Sony + multi standard VHS. Wish we had that unit here in the US.

@MarcoRetro316

Ай бұрын

Love me a combo unit!

Woooow beautiful CRT 😍😍🤩🤩

Mini-DINs are probably the easiest way because you can fit all the pins you need wherever you can remove a coaxial jack (RCA, F-type, etc).

amazing mate, greetings from sydney

@MarcoRetro316

7 ай бұрын

Hello up there!

That's an ingenious mod! The touch sensor is a great addition to the RGB mod, not only no cut, convenient too. Would you mind linking the touch sensor?

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Thank you! This is an eBay Australia link but you can find them anywhere on Aliexpress, Amazon and eBay. Just search for capacitive touch sensor www.ebay.com.au/itm/394444255003?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=705-154756-20017-0&ssspo=KgAvm18SSoW&sssrc=2349624&ssuid=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY

Nicely done.

8:16 The best part!

Great info 👍🏽 thanks for sharing. I'm thinking of getting a rgb mod for my trinitron KV-27FS17.

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Thank you 🙏 If it’s for versatility of having RGB and Component or for the joy of modding then you’ll be happy with the results. Otherwise an RGB to component transcoder on the KV-27FS17 will yield perceptively the same quality video as RGB

@rolandbaron5813

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 oh, okay. Thanks.

Excellent work and explanation

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Many thanks!

*great video sir! Yes CRT are dangerous to open and operate and you still alive to make these videos* 😂

@MarcoRetro316

9 ай бұрын

Thanks! I must be immune to the shock 😅

A 3D-printed attachable box for the scart connector at the air vent fins would be a nice solution for a no-cut-mod :)

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

I like your thinking

I still find it unbelievable most American and Australian TVs lacked RGB inputs. Almost all TVs in the UK (and Europe) had SCART sockets by default from the early 80s.

@adventureoflinkmk2

Жыл бұрын

You mean like the component jacks

@leeshepherd6512

Жыл бұрын

@@adventureoflinkmk2 let’s be honest most didn’t have component jacks.

@mr.jamster8414

11 ай бұрын

I just bought one without realising it *only* has composite video...

@flamespear86

7 ай бұрын

Brother people are still buying DVDs 😢

What a great solution!

Scart was readily available in Europe but outside of importing Japanese TVs at ludicrous cost mods like this are the holy grail for retro gamers in North America.

@MarcoRetro316

7 ай бұрын

It makes modding all the more fun and will get you as close as possible to a pro monitor without breaking the bank. It’s funny in hindsight knowing RGB was just sitting there and outside of Europe and Japan, there was no universal standard for having the best quality signal available. They were different times though and we were perfectly happy with rf 480i

I really want one of these color CRT's so bad! I have 3 vcr's that i want to use with a CRT tv, but I RARELY find any in my area.

Amazing work mate. I literally picked one up today and love it. Don’t think I’ll mod it though. I’ve also noticed the image jump, any further info on that yet?

@MarcoRetro316

7 ай бұрын

Thanks! I never figured out why the sync jump. Only happened with direct composite video and composite video sync RGB with the original NES/Famicom AV and PS1, never jumped with the Mister FPGA’s C-Sync

Cool mod

cool mod m8 :)

I wonder if it would be possible to take RGB output of some late jungle chip and use it as a cheapo transcoder? I mean devices converting other signals to RGB are pretty expensive but some jungle chips support component, s-video and composite so you could build a cheapo converter to be used with CRTs or upscallers :D I'd love to be able to plug component devices into my TV and composite -only consoles to OSSC.

@MarcoRetro316

6 ай бұрын

I like your thinking. It’s technically possible but probably more trouble than it’s worth. I went through transcoding composite and S-vid with external devices in another video (Revisiting the Sony BVM 20F1). I didn’t get to try the Koryu but they seem to be the most highly recommended transcoders for getting those signals into an OSSC

When you were adjusting the Yolk, what was it that you touched that shocked you? Nobody bothers explaining this part and I've been eager wanting to know because I do have problem with convergence. So when the tv is turned ON is it ok to touch ONLY the plastic around the Yolk or can you touch both the plastic around the Yolk along with the copper? Thanks

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

I was adjusting convergence rings, it wasn’t really a shock though. The back of my hand brushed on the heatsink and I was hypersensitive to any stimulus because of working in that high voltage area. The snack sound was just my hand hitting the plastic case on its way out so no harm done. I haven’t needed to make any yoke adjustments as yet

@DarkWolf80s

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 OK that's good to hear. But I still do not know which area is safe to touch when adjusting the yolk. If you could, could you elaborate a little on this part on what are the safe area to touch when moving the yolk around just so the picture looks right? Thanks.

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

@@DarkWolf80s watching Steve from RetroTech’s videos on yoke adjustment, he says to stay away from the copper winding kzread.info/dash/bejne/g2Z9qqyfpqeTZ5M.html

I wish the TRRS cable was chosen as the standard instead of the 3 Composite cables, this would have made it easier for older consumers to adopt RGB and would have had the familiarity of the 3 RCA jacks older consumers were used to using.

@MarcoRetro316

6 ай бұрын

TRRS as standard would’ve made my mod a tad easier

I have a Sansui 14" & 20" VCR combo units and could be a good RGB Candidate :) BUt Prefer to game on a Sony PVM2030. Good technical video but I stuill have no guts to open the back

i want a rgb mod for the commodore 1701-02

I have that same Sharp TV/VCR combo but I see little reason to RGB mod it. Either way, nice video.

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

On a small consumer set there’s not a huge difference from composite to RGB. I just don’t have composite cables anymore since using scart so it ends up being more convenient to mod for RGB. Plus it’s been a great learning experience for me if anything so I’ll use the opportunity whenever I acquire another CRT that’s not factory RGB. Great channel btw, just subbed.

@sinistermoon

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 for sure, I just have so many crts already that it wouldn’t really do me any good. I’d love to mod my JVC D-Series at some point. I’m just using a transcoder through component on it now. Thank you for checking out my channel!

Very cool! So in Australia, you got 50Hz PAL and no RGB SCART on consumer TV sets, is that correct? I knew that it was the case for New Zealand, but I wasn't sure about Australia. I really appreciate the counting TVL method that you used here, I always wanted to have a way to sorta know, out of curiosity, how many TVL my consumer sets have, and thanks to you, now I know of at least of way of doing it! I also love TV+VCR combos and have a couple of them as well.

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Yeh we got screwed with Pal 50Hz video and no RGB. Glad the TVL thing was somewhat useful to estimate, if anything it was interesting for me to actually see the loss in detail from a low line count up close. I actually saw your channel recommended recently and subbed, love your work!

@crt_rex

Жыл бұрын

​@@MarcoRetro316 Oh man, that's rough. Like the worst of both worlds, at least for most retro gaming. But at least you got around that now, with RGB mods, PVMs and all that. Anticipating angry European replies, we know about the extra lines, PAL60, that NTSC colors suck, all that, lol. It's fine to like PAL, but for me and many, no thank you, unless it's PAL exclusive content, of course. Tell ya, never expected that you would have ever heard of my tiny ass channel when I commented here, what a pleasant surprise! Thank you very much for your compliment, you made my day for sure! I really own Drew a solid one for posting about my lil' channel on Reddit. Thank you for subbing, and of course, I also subbed.

@crt_rex

Жыл бұрын

@@voltare2amstereo Ah, there you go, that's good, so it's a similar deal to what we had in the States then, because for sure, S-Video is a big improvement over composite, and YPbPr is nearly indistinguishable from RGB on a CRT, for the most part. My favorite big Trinitron here is component only, I just use RGB2COMP. Can you get away with component at 60Hz on those Aussie component CRTs, like you can with RGB SCART and composite sometimes on later European sets?

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Yeh I should’ve mentioned we had S-video for a short while and then Component. Very few non-European TV’s had scart here which is what makes RGBRob’s channel so great for us in Australia because if you stumble across a Scart set there’s high chance he’s covered it or something similar. That’s a great question about component running in 60Hz. I don’t think it would matter and I imagine would be treated the same way that RGB treats 60Hz

@crt_rex

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 Mine here does 60Hz on component, but it's not European, the folks I bought it from brought it from the Middle East, but they're PAL there too. The component quality is beautiful, has S-Video too. Funny how it is, in Europe, SCART is abundant on consumer sets, but S-Video not so much, and YPbPr is even less common, although it does exist. I think you're right, the Aussie ones will probably do 60Hz on YPbPr just fine. In the States, any CRT with component goes for crazy prices most of the time, I bet it's the same there, huh?

Wonderful idea! So, i'm thinking about this capacitive sensor... in this situation you have just 2 wires one for signal in and other to signal out so you put signal entry on vcc and signal output on i/o? So the ground where i can put him? Can you chiarify this thing for me? Please.... thanks a lot! Byeee 😉

@MarcoRetro316

18 күн бұрын

@@diegall there’s 3 wires soldered to the sensor: VCC in, ground, and VCC out. The VCC in/out will be the same voltage and the input voltage also powers the sensor. In my experience they’re great for around 3v in/out. You also need to open/close the appropriate A or B jumper pads to select the state, in this case the state is always on VCC out when pressed. It’s not that convenient a mod though as when the TV is powered on you need to remember to touch the sensor. Not that big of a deal but it was more of a novelty/proof of concept. I’ve gone back to using a mechanical switch

9:13 my 27" Sharp does that too! Did you ever figure out the reason?

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

I never found out but I wouldn’t say it’s an inherent problem with the set. I’ve only noticed with sync on composite video in RGB and it’ll do it in composite video regardless so something with the vertical blanking interval

8:16 Ah... The good ol' "get bit by the horizontal".

@MarcoRetro316

5 ай бұрын

Haha yeah the back of my hand touched the heatsink which only gave me a tickle, but my heightened senses caused me to withdraw like my life depended on it

Nice video. Terrible noise. the 16khz whine comes thru every now and then.. and somehow it coming out of speakers makes it more stomach crunching than from irl crt tv lol

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Thanks! I honestly can’t hear it in this video but can hear it in some of my early videos which is odd. I appreciate you telling me otherwise I would’ve continue making crt videos not knowing it’s there. I’m researching software that can filter that specific frequency for future

I thought lines were hoizontal and columns vertical

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

More info on TVL’s and how they’re calculated: en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_lines kzread.info/dash/bejne/mJqdtJZ-YczKXZs.htmlm32s

I have no idea what you just did, as it’s way beyond my understanding, but I think I need you to RGB mod my 78cm Mitsubishi DIVA CRT from 1993. 👍 It’s always annoyed me that the exact same TV in the UK had RGB on one of its rear SCART inputs whereas the Aussie version just had a set of RCAs and an S-Video for each of its inputs (two on the rear, and one on the front).

@MarcoRetro316

10 ай бұрын

Yeh we got screwed here, which is why we are more forgiving on cheaper brands like TEAC which have a higher chance of having a scart port with RGB

@just_passing_through

10 ай бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 I remember when I bought my Mitsubishi, it didn’t have the PIP option, so I bought the daughter board and installed it myself. I had to sever a couple of ‘rod things’ on the main board as part of the installation process and was so afraid I would sever the wrong ones, but… it worked. And it’s still going strong some 30 years later. I love that TV. Great picture. Auto degaussing. Motorised swivel base via the remote control. Everything but RGB. 😢

@MarcoRetro316

10 ай бұрын

@@just_passing_through swivel is awesome! I’ve had that on a B&O Beocentre1. Made the set feel like it was from the future. Amazing if the rotation is still kicking on after 30 years

@just_passing_through

10 ай бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 Yes. I’m surprised too - given the weight of the unit. I think it weighs over 80 kilos.

Why cant you just get a KV-14LT1U that has an integrated Component scart

@MarcoRetro316

4 ай бұрын

Hunting specific CRT models is near impossible these days so I pick up what I can get my hands on local to me

Great video keep your mode switche clean out everything proven in VCR players them mode switches in time gets dirty everything proven dirty mode switch causes tapes not play at all or sometimes it starts eat tapes everything proven people don't keep nothing clean out in there VCR player specially mode switches now if you don't know what a mode switch is you can go online and say how clean out a tv combo VCR mode switch eShop everything will come up what you need to see online

Man I need to do Component mod to my CRT.

@MarcoRetro316

Ай бұрын

It’s a great learning experience, just put safety first

@FR4M3Sharma

Ай бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 Hey didn't think you'd see this comment, but could you help me find any sort of guides or tutorials on how I can do so? All I know is I need to tap into RGB signals from the jungle chip then convert them to component. But I can't find anything on how to convert them to component. Also I have zapped myself before on my 21" crt. I touched the Anode cup WHILE the CRT was on. I was trying to eliminate "hissing" from it. Thankfully it shut itself down and I only almost blacked out for two seconds while I was contemplating my life choices.

@MarcoRetro316

Ай бұрын

@@FR4M3Sharma oof that shock sounds painful, be very careful! You’d need to look at the jungle chip/video chips datasheet to see if it has analog RGB or component inputs. I’ve never modded for component as all of my consoles output RGB so I’ve never needed it. If you predominantly have consoles that output component and the TV is only modifiable for RGB, then you’d be best to transcode externally into RGB

@FR4M3Sharma

Ай бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 Alright, thanks. I unfortunately only have an OG Xbox because all those 8-16 bit consoles never made it to my country, I think even the OG Xbox didn't launch here because the two I have are both imported Americans and Japanese models. The thing with Xbox is that it doesn't have any sort of RGB output only Analogue Component. So I have to do this mod, I'll see if I can find something on the Jungle chip. The CRT I have is a generic 21" Composite LG CRT which only has two Composite In(s) and one Out, the only reason I've held onto it because it's manufacture date is around 2008 and it was barely used by the previous owners so it might last me a good while. Thanks again :)

@MarcoRetro316

Ай бұрын

@FR4M3Sharma I see. The OG XBox definitely outputs RGB with a scart cable so you wouldn’t have to transcode. The output resolution through RGBs scart is capped to 480i but if it’s to an SD TV then that’s all you need

Everything is proven people keep there mode switch clean out like they should in there VCR player people will never have playing problem's at all if you don't know what a mode switch is you can go online and say how clean out a mode switch in a VCR player every other videos online will come up what you need to see online how clean one out

Broken vhs tape itself is fixable with Scotch tape it starts playing again with out no problem's everything proven online how to fix a broken vhs tape

Didn't think Critical Race Theory was around in those days.

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

I just learnt a new term, thank you!

bro the ringing wtf is wrong with your audio 8:19 - 8:35

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

Tbh I can’t hear it but I’m guessing you’re getting a loud high pitch screech? If so then that’s the 15Khz ‘whine’ of the crt, typically the younger an individual then probably more you’ll notice it. Thanks for pointing it out, I’ll have to look into ways I can detect the noise when I can’t hear it and filter it out post

@MrFAlLED

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 neither I'm 28 can't hear it. But can on my 3730c at 240p

I worked on critical race theory and now I have epilepsy :(

😮 aaa

Just like my own tv settings brightness being on 50 had turned that down on 35 now on to the color settings being on 50 not enough color had turned that up 87 now on to the sharpness being on 50 had turned that down on 0 on to the backlight need to be on 30 at all times on to the contrast need to be on 100 at all times everything proven everything more greater picture quality everything proven people don't want people playing with there tv settings now days everything proven people start playing with there tv settings more now days the truth will come out that tvs causes problem's on people's thinking now days on and with your vhs tapes

Rgb modding is pointless when you can color calibrate

@MarcoRetro316

Жыл бұрын

I doubt many people are RGB modding these days just for colour accuracy. RGB will always have better clarity over composite even against a good comb filter. For us owners of PAL consoles you won’t get colour 60Hz unless you have changed the consoles oscillating crystal. RGB modding gets around this and lets you play in colour 60 Hz, so it’s far from pointless

@realamericannegro977

Жыл бұрын

@@MarcoRetro316 I have seen videos of people not being able to tell the difference on well calibrated monitors. Even home on my Triniton it even looks like how people say RGB looks on composite

@alerighi

Жыл бұрын

@@realamericannegro977 You can tell the difference. Back in the day I used to go to my friends and setup the SCART output of their DVD players or satellite receivers to RGB from composite (that was the default since not all TV were compatible with RGB) and on every TV was a completely different thing. I doesn't matter how the monitor is calibrated. The problem is that in the composite the color signal is modulated along the sync pulses into a single composite cable. In fact the composite signal is first separated from the sync signal, then luma (Y) and chroma (C) are separated, then chroma is separated into B-Y and R-Y. Then from Y and the difference B-Y and R-Y the RGB signal is finally reconstructed and sent to the tube. Of course all these conversions, done with entirely analog filters, have losses, especially when the hardware gets old, capacitors are not good as they were new, oscillators have drifted, etc. Also the color information has to occupy a very small bandwidth of the video signal, that was done back in the day to be backward compatible with B/W TVs that could just ignor color information (that is stored in a portion that is not shown on the screen on B/W TV). The problem is that compressing an RGB signal into this small portion of the spectrum is not a lossless operation! And no matter how good your TV is, if the color information is partially lost, it's lost.

@realamericannegro977

Жыл бұрын

@@alerighi dang that is too much going on. It sounds like the tv would look worse over time from that mod.

@mr.jamster8414

11 ай бұрын

​@@realamericannegro977what did he say?

Damage blue ray disc movies damage DVDs don't play at all only damage vhs tapes continues to play at all times