Best scene in the movie.

@SlapShotRegatta22

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Totally overlooked. I think people miss what they're both saying (Nixon and the girl).

@gaguy1967

3 жыл бұрын

Five years later and it is more true than you know

@benkleschinsky

3 жыл бұрын

The day I learned this happened was the day I watched this movie. So extremely powerful that shows the human side of both sides in that we more or less agree we want the same thing for our country. It is true Nixon cut our military back more so than any President since before WWII. He is the President that ended the draft for good.

@Leo82870

5 ай бұрын

Great point, the Mao scene is also good.

@splinterbyrd

7 күн бұрын

Better than Shakespeare or any of the Ancient Greek political philosophers, the most important scene of any political drama ever made.

That girl speaking is unfathomably beautiful. Nixon is who we really are. 🎻💔😭

@RichardNixonsHippieRemoval

6 ай бұрын

Joanna Going. She's in her 60s now. Insanely good looking.

@calengr1

5 ай бұрын

@@RichardNixonsHippieRemoval en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Going

@calengr1

5 ай бұрын

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joanna_Going

For years after first watching Nixon I always thought this scene was fictional. But he really did show up at the memorial, practically alone, and these conversations really did happen. At least something like this anyway.

@firgasz2920

5 жыл бұрын

it did. But for Nixon it had only the effect that he was convinced that those students were radical lefties who would rather support communists than his vietnam-politics... he went there trying to "understand" those young students and after he met them he "knew" that there was no need to understand them because they were communists who would rather stab him in the back for his politics instead of support or understand his point of view.

@henrys5291

2 жыл бұрын

@@firgasz2920 I don't know if this interaction had a real effect on Nixon but he absolutely had a problem with the "The Beast's" ability to operate independently of and sometimes against the president. His objection was probably rooted in some narcissism but it is still a valid objection. If the highest elected official and commander-in-chief of the world's most powerful nation is powerless to implement his own foreign policy, then who can really change anything? Oliver Stone always does a great job of asking the viewer to consider questions like this

@splinterbyrd

2 жыл бұрын

There's no evidence this specifically worded exchange happened in Nixon's visit. But nevertheless there are important truths here.

@johnecoapollo7

2 жыл бұрын

@@firgasz2920 Still, he went. No other President since or even before would.

@firgasz2920

2 жыл бұрын

@@splinterbyrd Yes there is no evidence, but he met students in the middle of the night to talk to them and regret it instantly.

I seriously don't think any other scene in film comes so close to describing the way things truly work in politics/power.

@anthonyhanlon9556

Жыл бұрын

To paraphrase Douglas Adams in the Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy, the Presidency isn't the seat of power but a distraction from power.

@Tony-ol9ru

11 ай бұрын

@@anthonyhanlon9556There has never been a better example then Biden in office, and we're all supposed to believe he actually won. Elections are no different than pro wrestling.

"Nineteen year old college kid...she understood something that's taken me thirty-five years in politics to understand. The C.I.A., the Mafia, those Wall Street bastards...the Beast. Nineteen year old kid. She called it a wild animal."

@IronMan-tk8uc

4 жыл бұрын

25 years.

@feastguy101

3 жыл бұрын

You’re as deluded as she was. It comes from a faulty premise. The fucking communists DID want the war, they WANTED to conquer south Vietnam, and do unspeakable things to the people living there. And they did, as soon as people like you abandoned them to their fate. People like you have a lot more blood on your hands than the CIA or Wall Street, or whatever boogeyman you try to blame for the consequences of your delusion ever will. It was people like you that allowed Nazi Germany to grow to an existential threat. People like you that allowed the Soviet Union to exist, and then murder millions. People like you that allowed China to turn red, and murder tens of millions. Because life and the world aren’t the fucking fairytale you think they can or should be, and they never WILL be. You have no idea how much I hate people like you. Ignorance is no excuse for the devastation you cause. It should have been you in the gulag, or the lao gai, or among the boat people, or in the prison camps of North Korea, instead of the innocent victims of the inaction and stupidity of people like YOU.

@Dreammage1

3 жыл бұрын

@@feastguy101 blood for blood for blood. No clean hands here.

@squfucs

3 жыл бұрын

@@feastguy101 the EU is gay and so are you

@margraveofgadsden8997

3 жыл бұрын

@@feastguy101 that’s a lot of anger there, buddy. While you’re going on and on about how ignorance and stupidity allow so many bad things to happen, maybe you should point that finger at yourself, kid, because you clearly don’t know anything about the war in Vietnam. President Johnson is on tape, as early as 1965, talking about how the war was unwinnable, and the only reason he continued with it was to avoid embarrassment. Ever heard of the Pentagon Papers? Yeah, it’s basically a metric ton of paperwork detailing how the military knew there was no feasible way to win, but instead of pulling out and saving American lives, they chose to lie to the public about how well things were going. And while you’re talking about the evil of North Vietnam, you’re conveniently glossing over the many, many human rights abuses South Vietnam inflicted on their own people. In fact, the main reason why civil war broke out was because the South refused to hold the national elections mandated to take place by the Geneva Conference in 1956. They consistently rigged their own elections, had a succession of horribly corrupt governments which were overthrown by military coups, the Catholic minority repressed and persecuted the majority Buddhists, and it goes on and on. South Vietnam was a failed state that only existed because the US propped it up. As evil as the communists in the north were, the leadership in the south was no better. To be honest, the communists were really the only ones to have a legitimate claim to national leadership. They were the ones who fought against the Japanese and the French. They were the ones who liberated their country from foreign occupiers. Oh, and they were the ones who overthrew quite possibly the most evil, bloodthirsty government in modern history: The Khmer Rouge. If it wasn’t for Vietnam, Cambodia might have suffered for many, many more years under Pol Pot. Is Vietnam a nice place to live? Of course not. Were there atrocities committed when Saigon fell? Definitely. Would the South Vietnamese have done the same given the chance. Absolutely. If you don’t believe me, take a look at Indonesian history to see how US backed dictatorships treat the vanquished leftists. So, maybe you should tone down the hyperbole a little bit. You’re not as smart as you think you are. And ignorant people are not to blame for the actions of brutal dictatorships.

Welcome to the machine.

@nectarinedreams7208

2 жыл бұрын

Where have you been? It's alright, we know where you've been.

One of my favorite movies. I love this and JFK. Stone knocked it out of the park on both of these

@wesrm1

3 жыл бұрын

Those are his two finest movies by far.

@sallybrown5089

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah if you like BS propaganda movies! You may also like his Doors movies which the members all called total BS as well.

@danoso0931

2 жыл бұрын

As a movie, JFK is fantastic. But it is wildly and grossly inaccurate historically speaking.

@torque122

2 жыл бұрын

@@danoso0931 that’s an impossible thing for you to know since NOTHING about the entire assassination has ever been revealed and DECLASSED.

@danoso0931

2 жыл бұрын

@@torque122 That is literally not true, as SOME material has been declasified. Irregardles, there are several distortions of truth in the movie, most egregiously (at least in my opinion) the total time it took for Oswald to shoot the 3 shots. Accorsing to the movie, it took like 4 point something seconds, which is impossible for a single shooter. But in reality, it took way longer than that, more than enough for a single shooter. That can be verified through the Zapruder film. Stone just simply reduced the time to fit his narrative that Oswald either was innocent or not the only shooter. THAT BEING SAID... while there is no doubt that Oswald was the lone shooter, there is also little doubt that there was some sort of conspiracy involved. It is true that Oswald had lived in the Soviet Union, and there is no way he would have been admitted back in the US as an "open" communist unless he was working for the CIA or something like that.

The end of the scene is an important part of it -- Nixon realized that a 19-year-old woman had a better conceptualization of "the beast" than he did. And the "credibility" component was big. Things for everyone in the film.

@hyethga

3 жыл бұрын

While this incident with the students did actually take place in 1970, the conversation is just another one of Oliver Stone's many departures from reality. Most of the students were bored and disinterested with what Nixon had to say that day, and chose to argue with him rather than engage in a conversation. Nixon was at this time already trying to wind down the war in Vietnam and considering to visit China; the longhairs were just too dim to realize it.

@crimony3054

7 ай бұрын

@@hyethga Yeah, but the small nuance of Halderman (James Woods) giving the girl the go-ahead nod is hugely authentic, because if there was anyone Nixon could talk to, it was a young woman, to whom he was father to two.

The military industrial complex.

@georgesdubuis6833

6 жыл бұрын

& the FED

@napoleonsolo5929

4 жыл бұрын

Ike warned us.

@jimmyarmijo792

3 жыл бұрын

I don't know if the people who left comments before me will see this; When people say Industrial-military Complex, this attributed to Dwight D. Eisenhower's Fairwell Address to the Nation. In his original rough draft he stated The Industrial-Military-Congressional complex. Congressional was later taken out. Now you know. It fits like a puzzle.

@davidargon6623

2 жыл бұрын

MIC

@Ur2ez4me81

2 жыл бұрын

It’s not just that it comes down to prophecy. We are seeing it all play out right now in real time…

This is so pertinent today.

@napoleonsolo5929

4 жыл бұрын

It's been relevant every day since WWII ended and the National Security Act Of 1947 was signed. Look it up.

@seanwilliams7655

3 жыл бұрын

Still relevant in 2021. Will probably be relevant in 2041

Underrated film. Like Eisenstein's Ivan The Terrible, it examines the old adage of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

I almost expect Nixon to whip out a bottle of Coke and start singing "I'd like to buy the world a home and furnish it with love..."

@JohnSmith-zw8vp

2 жыл бұрын

If only it were anywhere near that easy...

The reason why Nixon and the Lincoln Memorial has been written about so much is that is when he stopped with the politics and did his job as president. The Wild Animal bit back...Pentagon Papers and later Watergate. Puppet Ford assumed the role and let the jackals in...Rumsfeld, Cheney, Bush, etc.

At least Nixon talked with the people even though they disagreed with each other. Our politicans today on both sides always tap dances around facing the people.

@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1

6 жыл бұрын

Allen- What about Town Hall events?

@APOCALYPSE_X-MEN

2 жыл бұрын

@@WORLD8NSH5KNIGHT1 Often staged nowadays

@JohnSmith-zw8vp

2 жыл бұрын

Behind the scenes they don't have any other choice if they really want to accomplish much of anything.

00:55 The women, who looks rather like a Greek oracle is just that in this scene with the Grecian columns as background. The "system" is referred to as a "wild beast" which is how Hebrew prophets in the Bible referred to man's governments: wild beasts.

@Brandon-hn4yg

4 жыл бұрын

Gaetana Nelson where in the bible is that mentioned?

@wesrm1

3 жыл бұрын

I’m glad they cast her in that part. She was great and had a great look. Young but not too young. Old enough that she had really thought geopolitics through and came to educated conclusions about what she saw.

@kevinfribley8621

Жыл бұрын

@@Brandon-hn4yg Daniel Chapter 7 and Revelation Chapter 13

This reminds a bit of the Cuban Missile Crisis. Both JFK and Khrushev spoke afterwards about not really being in control of all the events happening and their fear of not being able to stop nuclear war even if they tried to.

@JohnSmith-zw8vp

2 жыл бұрын

I still think (and I hope and pray it doesn't happen in my lifetime) when we do have a nuclear war...it will be because of a misunderstanding. Heck I wouldn't be at all surprised if the retaliation was on "auto-pilot" and like the Terminator movies, both sides desperately try to pull the plug but it was already too late.

it's the machine

1942: still the last time Congress declared War, ORDERING the executive branch to wage it.

He actually did meet a group of protesters outside the memorial

@benkleschinsky

3 жыл бұрын

@Alejandro Franchini Yes.

What a f****** masterpiece

@wesrm1

3 жыл бұрын

This movie is so brilliant on every artistic level and so few have seen it. I’m glad it got a new blu ray release a few years ago from Kino Lorber.

The Military Industrial Complex.

@IronMan-tk8uc

4 жыл бұрын

The one and only.

@JohnSmith-zw8vp

2 жыл бұрын

Ike tried to warn everyone in his Farewell Address...

The superpower (Hegemon) with a near absolute military industrial complex is yet still constrained by 'that' thing. Quite interesting though atleast in Political theory, but atleast I want to see the plan.

Nixon was actually a good man

@firgasz2920

5 жыл бұрын

yep, except his presidential years

@jmitterii2

5 жыл бұрын

He was crooked like many of them, he recorded himself and was discovered.

@EBUNNY2012

5 жыл бұрын

Many are "good" until they find themselves always compromising with the "wild animal" and they become that which they tried to tame: a wild animal.

@IronMan-tk8uc

4 жыл бұрын

I don't think so...

@xyPERSON

4 жыл бұрын

I think Nixon was a decent human being deep down. The problem is he surrounded himself with bad people for much of his political career and eventually became those people... whether he intended to or not. As others have commented the bad decisions he made unfortunately outweighed the good ones.

Better than Shakespeare or any of the Ancient Greek political philosophers, the most important scene of any political drama ever made.

this scene seems very unrealistic of how such an encounter would play out, at least today that crowd would just be chanting slogans in his face instead of a conversation

@khabbad

8 ай бұрын

He actually did do this

the beast

This is extremely important to understand what's going on in our system....It seems the mega rich is in control even now.

@MrLobo1024

Жыл бұрын

Leave the rich people alone. Worry about yourself.

@TheOnlyOneStanding8079

Жыл бұрын

@@MrLobo1024 I'm not messing around with the rich . What are you talking about? I'm not against getting wealthy I'm against the rich affecting us poor people..After all we are the only ones fighting your wars not the rich .🤬🖕 punk MF !!

@IronMan-tk8uc

6 ай бұрын

The rich do apply this mindset very well, since they only think about themselves and gobble up everything in their way@@MrLobo1024

That man in the brown coat standing in front, George Carlin, later became my mythology teacher. Small world.

@rorschach4489

3 жыл бұрын

👍

@bobrobertson169

3 жыл бұрын

What do you mean?

This actually happened but just for the movie they condensed alot of the conversation.......CIA and Military Industrial Complex and big money....Wild Animal

@brycemcneil4404

3 жыл бұрын

I'm not sure if this specific exchange happened in any form (I've looked for credible evidence of it). I know that the book "Before the Fall" talks extensively about Nixon's visit to the Memorial to talk with protestors. Elements of the full scene show incorporation of that version of events (his rather awkward attempt to namedrop his knowledge of Syracuse football, his talking of the complication of invading Cambodia).

@hashimawan5402

3 жыл бұрын

@@brycemcneil4404 It's Not Specific or Exactly the same it's a condensed INTERPRETATION.. ......And what do you say about Nixon meeting with Texan Oil Barons like Jack Jones who is an amalgamation of Clint Murchison and H.L.Hunt in this movie?

@brycemcneil4404

3 жыл бұрын

@@hashimawan5402 Yes, obviously it's an interpretive scene. Stone used the scene to further demonstrate both his own and Nixon's preoccupation with "the beast" (and Nixon was truly paranoid and felt higher powers like the CIA, etc. were out to get him, so Stone didn't make that up). I don't know if Nixon ever had a moment (like he does in this scene) where he realizes that some young people see "the beast" the same way he does, but others know more about Nixon than me. :-p

@hashimawan5402

3 жыл бұрын

@@brycemcneil4404 Haven't you seen the scenes of the Oil barons in this movie? Jack Jones?

@hashimawan5402

3 жыл бұрын

@@brycemcneil4404 Also watch this movie on Nixon kzread.info/dash/bejne/npisksmac6vFesY.html and also read Haldeman's book The Ends Of Power......Watergate has alot of Shadowy background and Alexander Butterfield was himself an Intelligence guy who first revealed that there was a taping system which can reveal whether the President was complicit or Not.... There are hints that Watergate guys were deliberately Sabotaged by some Force who knew what they were gonna do there most Likely a CIA team tasked to put dirt on Nixon so he could be weaken and possibly removed when the time is right....because Nixon was too independent after becoming the President the Intelligence Community hated that

Nixon was an idealist.

Imagine this today. Joe Biden going to a small town in Louisiana and listening to local townsfolk talk about concerns over gun rights, defunding the police, or woke culture, with no media around. Or go back a few years and imagine Trump sitting in on an Amazon Labor Union meeting, or going on a environmental cleanup work party with the Nature Conservancy.

@eaglesfan226

Жыл бұрын

“Woke” my ass. The only problem I have with Biden is he’s sold out to Netanyahu.

@yvonnemartinas1922

5 ай бұрын

Defund the police? My city added a mental health task force. It never touched the police budget. My state gave every student free meals. And every state resident free college. Its happening without you and your objections.

@PhilAndersonOutside

5 ай бұрын

@@yvonnemartinas1922 What state do you live in if you don't mind my asking.

The reason why Trump never drained the swamp.

@miker4430

2 ай бұрын

I’d argue he is the swamp

@fisterhr

2 ай бұрын

@@miker4430 No, the swamp loves to start wars. Trump never did. He interrupted a big cash cow for the military industrial complex and th members of congress who have money invested in the same arms industry.

@fisterhr

2 ай бұрын

@@miker4430 If he was, they'd have no problem him running for President again.

Yeah, but is the script here artistic license ? Or was it related to Oliver Stone By a witness paraphrased ? Just sincerely questioning Does anybody out there know ?

Makes me sad Netanyahu is becoming like the Nazis

It finally dawned on her

@benpurcell5431

17 күн бұрын

You can see exactly when she realizes how politics works. And you can see him come to the same realization too. This is a magnificent scene in a great movie about one of the most interesting people to ever be in the public spotlight

Wow

Does anybody know who that actress is because she looks so familiar but I can't put my finger on it. Edit: I figured out what it was, she looks like Kimmy Jimenez from Smosh. LOL does anybody ever get that feeling with a look at someone and they think "don't I know you from somewhere" and it turns out it's just a totally different person who just looks like that person ?

@charlesnyckd

Жыл бұрын

Joanna Going

@satyendrandonibanerjee8682

Жыл бұрын

@@charlesnyckd Thanks I'll check her IMDb and see if there's anything else I might have seen her in that might have triggered that although I'm pretty confident it's just because I think she looks like Kimmy Jimenez from Smosh. Edit: Oh my God, of all things, she was The other woman that Kevin's dad was with in Home Alone 4. SMH Amazing how the internet works and how the human brain reacts!

The (eternal?) mystery remains. Who, or what, is sovereign?

@SuperGreatSphinx

11 ай бұрын

Christ Reigns Supreme

Nothing says college hippie like a 30 year old woman....LuLz

A piece of the man at peace with the plan do the evolution baby and become death

Who his the female actor?

@simonthomson217

4 жыл бұрын

Joanna Going

@Kenneth_Mac_Pherson

2 жыл бұрын

Joanna Going

fun

I will give you all these kingdoms if you do an act of worship to me... Scene was interesting in the fact that the Bible refers to man's governments as "wild beasts" and godless men as "brute beasts." Interesting. Because she calls the system a "wild animal." Yep.

@JohnSmith-zw8vp

2 жыл бұрын

Jesus: But I'm gonna get all these kingdoms anyway...

@JohnSmith-zw8vp

2 жыл бұрын

I thought that offer was beyond stupid, Jesus was gonna get to rule over all those kingdoms anyway!!

I love this scene. The idea of screaming protestors actually quieting down and having a civil conversation. I feel like if MAGA or liberals actually tried to have a civil conversation, they couldn't do it.

@yvonnemartinas1922

5 ай бұрын

Maga wants segregation back with the power to end those they dont like. Emmit Till happened in the 50s. Liberals are the ones that will be ended. Why be a sitting duck to your oppressor.

Say what you want about Nixon but at least he met his critics. Trump would have yelled 'fake news' and got into a rant on Twitter

Does anyone know if this scene actually happened?

@guitardds

6 жыл бұрын

Szandor Ditra yes. It did. Nixon went out to the Lincoln Memorial in the midst of protestors. Whether this dialogue took place as scripted, I doubt it word for word, but he did go.

@wreathyofsydney5409

6 жыл бұрын

Uh yes it did. They've actually interviewed the woman he was arguing against here. Perhaps it didn't go this way exactly but it certainly did happen.

@firgasz2920

5 жыл бұрын

it did happen.

@firgasz2920

5 жыл бұрын

it did happen, maybe not the way it is shown here but nixon tried to undertand the point of those students by making an encounter with them. After met them he regreted it.

@alpha-omega2362

5 жыл бұрын

@@firgasz2920 It did happen but not like this. As I remember he asked them where they were from and one person said "Syracuse University" and to their shock he said "Ah yes.. Ernie Davis" who was a star football player who had died.... well anyway that's the part I remember hearing about... and also that he said he was working toward the same goals they were.....

lol it didn’t go down like this

What an irritating scene. A bunch of self-righteous, spoiled kids who think that the President can just wave a magic wand and end all wars. Perhaps if they learned a bit of history and world-politics, instead of sitting around smoking dope, they might have more of a grasp of what he was dealing with.

@Woozler554

6 жыл бұрын

Paul Jackson - The worst part of it is, the war-protesting college kids of the early 1970s depicted in this movie grew up to be the Democrudic Party leaders of today (e.g., Pelosi, Warren, Slick Willie, Cankles, Schumer, Sanders, Feinstein, plus many in the fake news media). They're just as moronic now as they were back then.

@williebori

6 жыл бұрын

Actually. She ended up being totally right. It was proven, through the Pentagon Papers, that the U.S. Government knew the War in Vietnam was unwinnable. Thousands died for a war that should have ended years before. And this was during the draft and people were being forced into this unnecessary conflict.

@Woozler554

6 жыл бұрын

David Rivera - It was NOT "unwinnable". Believe me, if we really wanted to, we would have won it. It was the lack of full commitment and the fucked up namby-pamby policy of Democrat LBJ (who consistently overruled the advice of his generals) that made the whole thing "unwinnable".

@firgasz2920

5 жыл бұрын

define "winning" how would a victory look like... and what then? Its the same like iraq you can claim mission acclompished but with no solution or plan how to manage an occupation after it or a transition for a government that can hold itself in power... there was never a chance for winning this war....

@Woozler554

5 жыл бұрын

Firgasz - For the record, that "Mission Accomplished" sign you libtards love to poke fun of had to do with that carrier's mission, not the whole war. But to answer your dumb question, how was it winnable? If LBJ had allowed his generals to defeat the communist pieces of shit in North Vietnam in the way they wanted to, and let the country reunite with the South Vietnamese government in charge, believe me, that would have been winning it. I realize that concept is very hard for fairies who had to be excused from dodge ball in gym class to understand, but that's the truth.

I wonder what if Trump has those similar reactions to those Tweets on his account. Heard he barely reads and just dictates the posts.

@firgasz2920

5 жыл бұрын

he would yell WRONG! WRONG! WRONG! at them^^

@JohnSmith-zw8vp

2 жыл бұрын

@@firgasz2920 Hey must really like that Waylon Jennings song! :D

who is that girl @ 1.01 she is hot

@davidmagalhaes2884

6 жыл бұрын

www.imdb.com/name/nm0324790/?ref_=ttfc_fc_cl_t31

@abbaszaidi8371

6 жыл бұрын

Thanks - interestingly she makes it to the White House as President Garrett Walker’s First Lady

bunch of bums

@eaglesfan226

5 ай бұрын

Those “bums” were educated and chose peace ☮️

Awful movie!

@DaveFisher-cq2dr

4 ай бұрын

it is not, it's a masterpiece