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People are obsessed with Aperature/Fstop. What they fail to understand: landscape or cityscape; you aren't shooting at 1.2/1.4 anyway because you don't want a narrow depth of field, or everything will be blurry. Usually it's like f4+ unless you are doing portraits. If took a picture of a tall building at night, and used f1.4, the first floor will be in focus and the top half of the building will be a blurry mess... It's for subject isolation, nothing more.

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Right! I tried using my 50mm 1.2 once and it was not fun, I'd miss most shots, it was really slow to focus because of all the glass, and I really missed having the zoom because I could not always reach the subject in time :(

@rlclark50

Жыл бұрын

You can get a wide DoF with bright aperture because it also depends on your focal plane to subject distance. Further away for any given aperture will widen DoF; focus to 25+m with f/2 often gets most things quite sharp on 35mm FoV for instance.

This is a great video, more people need to understand these things. I especially appreciate “I use this ancient trick called holding the camera steady when I take a picture” 😂

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah, people want a camera because of image stabilization but they havent even learned to hold still when they take a photo

I'm an amateur photographer who's planning to get into night photography, and I'm very glad I watched this video before venturing out to try it

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

I hope this will help you very much!

The picture I think is the coolest is taken when it rains!

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

I think so too : )

I just ran across your video and I’m so happy I did. Your take is really refreshing because your photos are amazing and you’re 100% correct. It’s very annoying when 99% of night photography advice comes down to get the latest sony full frame with a stupid fast lens.

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

I am glad there are people out there who share the same feelings as me : ) Thanks! I will be putting out night stuff as often as possible, just a little cold in the winter

*I love rants!* I 100% agree with you, shadows exist in real life and give depth to photos. LOOOVE your outro music/animation by the way!

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Thx man - gotta keep it in line with my theme : )

@RunNGunPhoto

5 жыл бұрын

@@Noealz You're doin a great job!

@KrishnenduKes

5 жыл бұрын

Totally agree.

@akearney1014

4 жыл бұрын

Love both of your channels!

Wow! So much of wisdom in that video. 1. Shadows are your friend in night photography. 2. Expose for the highlights. Loved those 2 lines amongst other things. Your work is great. Even though I push my iso rarely beyond 1600, less than you. You said 3200. 😊😊🙏🙏 Love your style.

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much, yes I rarely go as high as 3200 actually, but that is my max limit when I do have to go high. Since I underexpose, it is often unnecessary to make it go higher : )

@KrishnenduKes

5 жыл бұрын

@@Noealz Totally understand your point.

@zidane9958

Жыл бұрын

@@Noealz this video could be 2 min long 😑

@johngisbourne7197

Жыл бұрын

​@@KrishnenduKes It is about as perfect as it can be, it's a great video with good examples.

You are the perfect photographer to cover this topic. You do night very well. I learnt a few tips from this.

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much : ) I will keep making more things like this

Literally said this two days and thought I was crazy because nobody was talking about under exposure and it looks so much better. Glad I stumbled upon this video

@Noealz

3 ай бұрын

Its not used much by most people i think - but it makes things so much easier

Is this, dare I say it, the most sensible, down to earth video on night photography in KZread?

@Noealz

Жыл бұрын

I hope so, I dont like how people overcomplicate things just to make things longer on youtube

Love the fact that you keep to your own. You feel like doing something you do it. No one is right and wrong when it comes to photography, if you like the pictures youre getting, youre doing it right!

@Noealz

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you friend : )

As a Brand new photographer I appreciate your perspective. Thanks for creating this video.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! I hope you enjoy my other videos too : )

I'm so happy I found you're channel, love your honesty man, you earned a new sub

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much for that! I hope you will continue to enjoy my videos : )

I agree, if your taking a picture at night, you shouldnt try making it look like something its not. It will ruin the picture at the cost of making it something it isnt. (If you dont get what i mean is taking the shadows away makes it look more like a cloudy day, not night)

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much for thinking the same way - I still dont see the obsession with seeing everything in the darkness - darkness is good : )

The kind of advice and insight I've always needed! Thank you! :D

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Glad it was helpful!

Wow! I've been trolling KZread picking up tips and tricks for night photography and this video really brought contradicting ideas to light! (pun intended) looking forward to watching more of your videos now.

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you - we try to keep it real around here : )

Another awesome video. Don’t worry about what others say just keep doing what you are doing. I am learning a lot about photography from you so thank you.

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

I am glad I was able to help you!

I really like your approach on photography. All the different specs between cameras and the gear you could potentially use mess up your creativity, just shoot with what you have and focus more on your environment

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Thank you, yeah the cameras I have aren't close to the best but I think that cameras reached a point where everything is more or less pretty good these days and anymore is really just bonuses that help although aren't particularly amazing. Though that EyeAF from Sony is pretty cool, but it only works if youre like 3 meters away lol, not great for street photography =p

You have been a great help for my photography efforts with my old camera and even older manual lens. Who needs the top of the range gear? not me. Thank You

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Great to hear! I hope you continue to enjoy my future videos : )

Doing the exact same, EV -1 and/or spot metering, so nights look like proper nights, dark alleys look gloomy and no, usually the human eye can't make out the detail in the deepest shadows either, otherwise those alleys would be half as scary when you walk past them and something rustles. I'm still traumatized by night photography reviews on other channels and the abuse of the shadows slider. :)

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Haha - to be honest I stopped listening to what most people try to tell me to do. If I still listened to what others told me to do I wouldn't be where I am now. It's mostly everyone repeating what other photographers tell them to do : /

Great tips Noe, totally agree with you on all your points. Started underexposing my night shots earlier this year and its so much better.

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

I am very happy to hear that!

Man I feel you my page is all about filming and photography on mobile phones and I get so many haters daily oo you need a real camera nobody want to hire a mobile photographer but I tell them I'm not in this for you or to be the next big thing I do this because I love it and you don't have to have all this expensive gear but being on KZread for over two years now you'll get lots of haters I just use it as motivation to prove them wrong #keepfilming bro love you Channel and your work 💪🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾👌🏾🤓🙏🏾

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

You know it's funny because alot of people have been coming to me primarily because I shoot with my phone. I've even done some jobs for some big companies, like big as in rivals iphone big =p Keep it up man

Dude... thank you. Such a good video. I am always so confused when youtuber photographers are like “but the details in thr shadows are lost!!” like yeah.... is that not the point? Even been forgetting myself the importance of dynamic shadows. Thank you! stream soon and i’ll be there

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Dont listen to KZreadrs haha

Great advice for a photographer just starting out in the world of night photography! Love so many of your photographs.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

I do my best to help others :)

Your video really made me think about some dark photos I've shot, I always had this bad feeling about their being too dark, but at the same time they have a nostalgic vibe that I like somehow, Finally found the beauty in them.

@Noealz

Жыл бұрын

They look better dark imo ;)

Love your work, and thank you for sharing this inspirational advice. It’s so easy to get caught up in the influencer hype. But your style rocks and it’s encouraging know that with hard work, it’s within our reach, without the latest overpriced camera.

@Noealz

Жыл бұрын

Glad you appreciate that too : )

Great video thanks for sharing the tips for night photos 👍🙏

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Sure thing! I am here to share my knowledge about night photography - thx man

This is a great video. I agree 100 percent with the points you made about gear, iso and exposure. Big thumbs up!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you Jeffery!

Thank you so much for these tips! I'm glad I saw this before going out on my first night shoot

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

And I hope it will help you so much : )

Just stumbled on this video, and this is absolutely great. Embrace your shadows! Subbed instantly!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you so much - I hope you will enjoy my other videos as well

You're my biggest inspiration buddy! Thank you for all of your input and teaching about night photography

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

My pleasure! Ah the book stuff has slowed down! So I can get back to making content soon : )

Great video. I'm a HUGE fan of shadows! I also rarely use my tripod. Tripods are great, but there's nothing worse than lugging one around when you're out shooting.

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Thx man- Ps glad I was able to make it to your live, it's too bad I live on the other side of the world so I was getting ready for work : /

Great tutorial !!!!! Many thanks !!!!!

@Noealz

Жыл бұрын

You are welcome!

Love the topic! Learned a lot man

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

I sure hope so, I want to share everything I know with others :)

First of all, I love your background. Those colours are stunning. Your photos are SO amazing too, I'm really impressed. I really want to try out night photography. I'm not much of a photographer, but I definitely want to dive in and try it out. Unfortunately, it's summer now which means that it won't be dark until 11PM. Sooo.. I'm probably going to try it in a few months, haha. This video is very useful, especially your explanation of underexposing the photos. I'll definitely take these tips with me when I try out night photography and I'll report back to you how it went. I appreciate the honesty!

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Oh thank you very much, you might find that night photography is rather addicting : )

I also love night photography and i appreciate the advice and tips. Great photos by the way.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome, thank you!

I never thought of it that way, great vid!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you my friend : )

So good man. Love your philosophy. Totally inspired by your work.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear it! I'm just glad some people enjoy what I put out there

Great video and fantastic work, subbed & followed

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Oh thank you for enjoying my work : )

Interesting video, I'll try some of these suggestions for sure and report back. Everyone else is doing it another way, which means this type of style should be more unique. Love the "ancient trick" comment :)

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

The ancient trick is an old forgotten way :3

i love your channel, im new to this street photography, thanks for the tips.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Happy to help! I will make more updated videos on this topic soon! maybe with more examples. Welcome aboard :)

This video speaks TRUTH I don’t care bout the specs just care about how the camera feels in my hands Also big fan of Fuji cameras as well still use my original x100 from 2011 and it’s great 👍

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

I had that x100 for the longest time, in fact most of my photos were taken with that camera before I gave it to one of my students : )

Love your photos! KZread is meant to illicit comments and the fact that people have lots of opinions about photography is a great thing, but I fully agree that you have to follow your own style and what gives you joy in the photos you take. I personally like your approach and glad I saw this as I'm starting to get out more with my camera. Thanks.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely!!

@gerryphilpott9766

3 жыл бұрын

@@Noealz Curious, in your many many street shots, especially night, what focal length would you say is most often used? i have a 50 and 85 1.8 and soon a macro 105mm 2.8. I need to travel very light next trip to NYC and wondering best lens to take. New to this since I got back into photography. Thanks in advance.

Setting the EV a little lower is always a good technique to expose for the highlights 👌🏽

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Right - I'm surprised not many people talk about this kinda thing

You never try to sell us anything saying that we'll get better photos with it, just like everyone does, and you're very humble and look like a very nice guy too! 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻 We need more people like you here man (Love that point on people always wanting to see everything in the photos, dont understand either)

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for enjoying my videos :) I try my best to show people that they can do well even with something as simple as a phone! Or even old vintage lenses (you can get cheap ones as low as 10 dollars) - so I will do my best to keep on that theme :)

@TheAnonymousLinks

3 жыл бұрын

@@Noealz Thats the point! We need to stop all the mysticism about photography gear and go out and take pictures. Thanks for your work Noe, you're great📸♥️

It’s a similar argument when talking about “golden hour.” You’d think photographers only have a 30 minute window each day to take pictures outside the way they talk about it. If you’re taking someone’s senior prom photos, sure, the light is pretty good. It wasn’t until I started taking photos in harsh light at the worst time of day did I realize most of the “rules” out there are complete bullshit. At best they’re polite suggestions.

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

You can take some great photos in harsh light if you know what you are doing : ) Seems to me like people on YT just watch another KZread video on the subject and then just make a video repeating what they saw in other tip vids :/

Having easy access to exposure compensation is a really helpful feature! Quality vid

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Indeed, though most people I have come across don't actually know what it's for. I've even seen Youtubbers make videos about how useless it is...shocking to me

100% Agree with you .......Keep on doing things your way...........Its your art.......Really enjoyed the content of this video and have subscribed to see more

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you! Will do! Expect great things :)

great information. thank you.

@Noealz

Жыл бұрын

my pleasure!

This was the kind of info I was looking for!

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Glad to help!

A bit of sarcasm never hurts. Good video.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

That's how I roll : )

Buen video, me encantan tus fotos!

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

muchisimas gracias amigo : )

thanks for this video man, I always have the same thoughs about people obssesed with new the latest gear and autofocus

@Noealz

Жыл бұрын

Too many people fall into that trap

Wooow. Just came over your channel! Love it!!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

thank you very much

share more ancient techniques 👌🏼🤣 hope to catch up again next time i’m in seoul. ✌🏼. keep the content coming. 👍🏼 very helpful and informative.

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Sure thing! Lots of ancient secrets running through my veins :)

I agree; do what works for you. Make different art, than what others make. Liked, and subscribed. Ted, at the Art Of Photography channel, told us about this channel, as he us showed some of your art. I like it! Keep doing good work.

@Noealz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the sub!

Hi Noealz, thanks for sharing your very useful tips! I totally agree with you! Unfortunately I also see tons of night pictures completely "fake" with shadows that looks unreal! Very suggestive shots!

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Oh thank you so very much and you're right. Ah, love your videos! They show me something I don't see so much in Seoul, nature : )

@LuigiNespeca

5 жыл бұрын

@@Noealz Thank you!!

Well said my man... It’s like shooting a bebe gun... Hold still and squeeze... 🤪 I almost never go out to shoot night photography.. maybe I should.. 🤩

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

You should give it a try, you might enjoy it more than you think : )

Stunning works! Criticisms and rants can be a usual scene in the artists' arena! It is where we learn, stay gritty and motivated. keep Creating!💪

@Noealz

2 жыл бұрын

Yes! Thank you!

Like it, love the ranting 😁

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

haha I try to avoid rants but they have to come out sometimes!

Completely Right My Friend, As Someone With Extreme Light Sensitivity I Understand Staying Away From Lit Up Places I'm Glad Someone Made A Video On This. My Camera Myself Is A X-S1 Fuji.

@Noealz

2 жыл бұрын

Nice one!

i like your philosophy a lot, it is very helpful for me to watch your videos, it's another way to see the wordl ^^

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you - I think, I have alot to say about what I see in the world of photography, not sure everyone wants to hear what I have to say but I am happy when someone does :)

Hi, I really like your view point in night photography! So clever view point... Thanks for your tips

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Oh thank you so much for liking my photos and point of view : )

Absolutely correct ..

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

indeed :)

Awesome. Like the attitude. 🤙 subscribed.

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks friend :)

@bobby.palacios

4 жыл бұрын

Noealz - Rain Photography no problem! Keep up the great work.

Most people think that if they do what exactly you do or get the exact camera and settings you used, they'd get the same exact quality of the photo. I love your work and I'm inspired by it. Thanks for sharing your experiences and insights. ✨

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly! i am thankful to took the time to watch my videos : )

@jeizschey

3 жыл бұрын

@@Noealz hopefully when I visit Seoul I can come with you on one of your shoots 😁✨

EXACTLY what I needed. Thank you! Subscribed. Excited to start going through your videos. Will you kindly name a camera/s for low light that's good for [low light] video too? It's is for an indie game project.. I love your graphics and animations btw. Happy I found your channel!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

any camera these days will be more than enough : )

You the man!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you :)

Many thanks...that was so easy to understand and hope to try it out when I visit Budapest next week 👍

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

I hope you take some killer images too : )

@garywedley9601

4 жыл бұрын

Noealz - Rain Photographer ..Thanks Noealz...I love my Fuji XT2 and will take your advice on board !

Great vlog thanks

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Sure thing! Thx for watching!

Huge respect 💪

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Thank you

@Noealz

Жыл бұрын

You're welcome

Atta boy! Excellent job.

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks friend! : )

Great video buddy

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you very much!

Thank you Noe!

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Sure thing! I should semi rant more often =p

Art and creation are in the eye of the composer. No right, no wrong, it is how you perceive your images in your head. Good on you you buddy. I'd be happy if my pictures look half as good as yours. Rant on my friend!

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks - I am a little ranty aren't I? I just don't like how people try to overcomplicate photography. It's simple, take pictures that you like : )

It is awesome to see your process (seeing the under exposed along side with the edit) I'm with you on the lens thing- use what works haha. That said, I feel like those faster lenses are more important for shooting video at night, or even for dimly lit receptions at weddings. That's at least how I feel with my lenses. Great timing on this vid btw, it's supposed to rain tonight here ;)

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

I do have some 1.2 and 1.4 lenses, but youre partly right, I really only use it in weddings or events. That's about it really. Ever tried focusing a 1.2 in the street for some street photography? You miss a ton of shots lol

@SweetLouPhotography

5 жыл бұрын

@@Noealz Yeah even when I use my faster lenses, in portraiture it's soooo annoying to nail sharp focus with a depth of field that narrow

Bravo man this is cool

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Glad you like it!

Thanks for the tips ! I will definitively try that. I didn’t thought you can do like this... very interesting. 👍

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

I blame the other Youtubbers ;)

@obscur_yoann

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah, it’s like everybody on KZread uses tripod and/or fast lenses and only that. Crazy 🙃

great content! admittedly I did just upgrade my camera to the new a7 IV, but I was moving off of the Nikon D3500 that just wasn't meeting my needs all that well (the focus would almost never be sharp where I wanted it etc due to poor low-light capabilities and the crop sensor didn't help) I rarely take my tripod out with me, I have one mostly for the off-chance I was to shoot a light trail or long exposure of the sky. good to know that my new f4 24-105mm lens should still be enough for night photography as I was concerned that f2.8 may have been the sweet spot. I really enjoy seeing the shots you post to Instagram and its quite the inspiration. Unfortunately my location is pretty devoid of lights or interesting signs so have to travel for similar opportunities.

@Noealz

2 жыл бұрын

no worries, you can get some nice shots even without the neon lights ;)

You're so right about the shadows! Glad someone is saying it. Jamie Windsor also did a video recently about the obsession with dynamic range. Btw your photos are amazing! Absolutely subscribing :)

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

I love that guy's videos - I forgot to mention in this video that you can bring out the shadows later a little in post but you cant do it with highlights well. I prefer leaving the blacks black though - Maybe I should do an edit followup to this : )

Just discovered your channel. Really enjoy your approach where indeed the gear doesn’t really matter but it is all about the operator. I just have one question with regards to your light metering method. Which metering method do you use? Thanks for sharing anyhow.

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

To be honest, I don't know - I use the default one that came with the camera :3

Holly damn, i am so glad i found this channel!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

I am happy that you are : )

Camera companies hate your videos 😉. Great advices anyway. Greetings from germany...

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Haha to be fair most of their updates are minor, nothing of importance from them these days except for Sony's eye AF - but that only works if you are really close up

When I went back to take up photography again with a digital camera (I was old school, film) I wanted to take night time photographs using a tripod and long exposure time. That produced a look that I was going for. I also found out that my white balance settings on the camera gave a different glow to the image. When I learned to use the K scale for white balance, I got better color for my image. I have also done some night photography of a protest where long exposure would not work, so I cranked up the ISO and handheld the camera. Looking at the images that you provided look great. I usually don't have a person who would be the subject for my photos but underexposing and bringing up the shadows also creates a distinct look. So it seems that everyone who looks to do night photography will have a different artistic view that they are looking for. Learning how to do different looks in night photography would be a good skill to learn. Thanks for your insight.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

Oh thank you for taking the time to listen to my videos :)

Just feel good... Now no questions anymore 😊

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Good : ) I told you it was not so hard =p

Hello! Thank you so much for sharing your knowledge! Tell please, what type of metering modes you use at night? and white balance? Thanks!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Oh, to be honest I never thought about that. I just let the camera do the work. The white balance doesn't matter since I will edit in lightroom - auto white balance too

man, thank u!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

Oh thank you for finding me : )

I agree with the point on shadows. Photos where blacks are black do look better. Recently I started doing night time street photography and have been making the same mistake of trying to show something in the shadows. Now, I'll follow your example. I use Nikon D5300 with 35 and 50mm f/1.8, but I will be upgrading to D850 soon. So far, I've learned a lot with this DSLR.

@Noealz

Жыл бұрын

Awesome, have fun : )

Real talk !

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Hope this helps alot : ) I want others to learn well

Right on, so many vids out there saying you can’t do this without a lens and camera set up that costs more than a car…

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

right :/ you can do it with so much less~

Yo, really helpful video there!

@Noealz

4 жыл бұрын

I'm here to serve : )

Thank you.

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Sure thing! I hope this helps many others :)

Thanks 👍 😁 😊

@Noealz

2 жыл бұрын

No problem 😊

Yes yes yes. I do like fast lenses for the faster shutter speeds I can get at night though which helps if using a longer focal length. But I agree there’s way too many armchair photographers that care way too much about gear and less about the art and technique. Love the idea of just always shooting a bit underexposed. I’ve tended to use bracketing at night but I usually throw out the bright shot anyways.

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

It only really works for capturing neon lights though! Street photography at night because it helps you have a faster shutter speed

So thankful I clicked on this video 🙌🏻

@Noealz

3 жыл бұрын

thank you for that :)

Hi, congratulations for your channel, I find it really inspiring. I've just one question: why using EV compensation instead of spot metering the highlights?

@Noealz

2 жыл бұрын

You can use ev and spot metering if you want

you show ne so much I am happy for that

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

Sure sure, I try to help as many people as I can

Great tips as always Noi! Noob question here, Just curious to know if you kept the compensation at zero and dropped your iso would you get the same exposure but with less noise? Same for a wider aperture? Cheers!

@Noealz

5 жыл бұрын

You would get the same exposure but less noise yes but youre camera will still be exposing for the shadows so you'll get longer shutter speeds an more blurry pics, dont worry about things like noise - just pixel peepers worry about that =p

@TavisFlett

5 жыл бұрын

Ah right, gotcha, thanks that. Just reading up on ev comp and is only for various auto modes, no wonder I could never get it do anything as all my lenses are manual! Thanks again 👍