This is how sport disciplines split. If WR keep on this tack, we'll have a new rugby organization that embraces the traditional game.

Nigel is correct

No matter how they spin this, World Rugby wants to destroy the scrum and the game as we know it.

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

Get a life Hun. Technology destroyed a calmer better way of life and we have to adapt. Get with the game changes or go watch netball😂😂

@stephenstrydom1

Ай бұрын

@@user-qe1tv1bu2f I'm not you "Hun" go away

@nicobr00

Ай бұрын

@user-qe1tv1bu2f we might not have to, they are turning Rugby into Netball

@pierre2898

Ай бұрын

​@@user-qe1tv1bu2fwtf is this argument 😂😂😂😂😂

@geoffhughes225

Ай бұрын

​@@nicobr00bollocks

This is a rule that should be tested in the lower divisions first before trying to implement it on international matches

@MickeyMouse-ul2zs

29 күн бұрын

This a rule that should NEVER have even been proposed, let alone tested in any division of rugby.

Only the following teams have a strong scrum focus; SA, NZ, Australia, Argentina, Fiji, Samoa, England, Wales, Scotland, Ireland, France, Georgia... You get the picture? This is rugby UNION, not league!

@sinenhlanhlamlondo8013

Ай бұрын

Australia?😮

@KKOPPONG

Ай бұрын

😂

@AndrewBaileyMusicProductions

28 күн бұрын

@@sinenhlanhlamlondo8013 Australia couldn't scrum a mashed potato salad

@sinenhlanhlamlondo8013

28 күн бұрын

@@AndrewBaileyMusicProductions Australia are one of the teams who'll benefit from the free kick rule change

@user-du8em2xq5c

8 күн бұрын

I was trying to make the point that rugby UNION teams scrum. In Australia if they do not like the scrum, they play rugby LEAGUE; painful game to watch

Waiting in anticipation for Dr Rassie to completely take advantage of this rule in the Ireland v Boks series this is gonna be fun to watch 😅

Who the hell are the individuals in World Rugby that dictate these stupid changes?

@rorygilmoreNZ

Ай бұрын

I hear via the grapevine that Nienaber was on the panel with a number of ex players, coaches and refs.

@laurentlassen7812

Ай бұрын

The people who has not played the sport at alll! Sitting on their plush cushion and cry "Rule change, Rule change" if they drio a teaspoon on their toes!!!

The rule suck but South Africa has speedsters the world has not yet seen. They will cry in future.

@MosesMatsepane

Ай бұрын

Remember we use scrums to rest our forwards as well. Scrums are a deadly weapon for us. If these rules were in place at the last world cup we wouldn't have made it out of the quarterfinals.

@rorygilmoreNZ

Ай бұрын

@@MosesMatsepaneinteresting point Moses. Hmmm… Can you describe an example for us?

@raphaelfillos6120

28 күн бұрын

@@MosesMatsepane wha the fuck are you talking about ? Trying to move 800kg of meat muscles and bone is not an actual way to rest.

@dionmatthews7319

28 күн бұрын

Yep your black players are far more talented and faster

@rorygilmoreNZ

27 күн бұрын

@@dionmatthews7319 faster than what? White players? An unnecessarily race based comment. And for the record… the springbok speedsters you’re probably thinking of (Kolbe, Arendse, Moodie) are not black, they are mixed race. Not that their race should even be brought up.

Totally agree. Rugby league is so unpopular with S Africans, it doesn't even get played here.

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

Over the top exaggeration

@pierre2898

Ай бұрын

​@@user-qe1tv1bu2fHow is it exaggerated? Literally nobody plays or watches rugby league here. Do you even know what rugby league is vs union?

@Livhutank

Ай бұрын

In south africa people don't even know what rugby league is we only know and play union

@Venomroos

Ай бұрын

​@@user-qe1tv1bu2fNetball is more popular in South Africa than league. That's not an exaggeration.

@MosesMatsepane

Ай бұрын

Yeah, if you say Rugby in SA 90% of people would assume you're talking about Union. I also personally discovered League by accident a few years ago when researching the History of Rugby.

Well. I don't know what they are talking about. The 2023 WC produced some of the most stunning rugby we have ever seen!

@RabbitholeIsrael

Ай бұрын

those days are over. 15 guys defending at all time will get boring real soon. hopefully thousands of people will stop watching then.

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 palooka talk. Every world cup has had awsome moments. Personally, I think us fcking up england in final 2019 by a huge margin was way better than our pigeon droppings just scrape in by 1 point x 3 games. Get a grip.

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

​@@RabbitholeIsraeltime will tell. But hey, don't fret, u can always switch to badminton 😂😂🎉

@RabbitholeIsrael

Ай бұрын

@@user-qe1tv1bu2f i bet i can beat you at badminton.

@wot4922

Ай бұрын

With some iconic moments from our boys.💚💛🇿🇦

South Africa has serious depth in the backline with some of the fastest wingers on the planet. WR will love to regret this.

Who said "a wider audience" wants "a faster pace"?

New Springbok pack 1- RG Snyman 2- Franco Mostert 3- Jean Klein 4- Eben Etzebeth 5- Lood De Jager 6- Siya Kolisi 7- Pieter-Steph Du Toit 8- Malcolm Marx 😂

@rorygilmoreNZ

Ай бұрын

Hahaha… awesome

If World Rugby really want a rugby union equivalent to rugby league, they should just invest more in sevens, and try and make that compete with Rugby League, Sevens has a lot of potential.

@pierre2898

Ай бұрын

This is exactly what I was thinking

spot on, Nigel. Stop tinkering with the game and stop pandering to sulking coaches like Gatland who take issue with the scrum.

Thanks Jordan, Tanks Nigel! The sudden change of rules so soon after the World Cup make sone wonder why?

Nigel Now you wil see springboks run like the wind. Thanks man. You wil see.

This rule is going to discourage strong scrummaging teams from playing to their strengths if their strength is in the scrums. Time will tell how this plays out

Totally agree with the points you make here. Iwould take one of your points further, and that is stopping the clock not just when the scrum is being set, but when the ball is out of play at lineouts and when kickers take forever to take a kick, including the time spent celebrating tries. It may require a rethink as to how long the game should take, but may encourage players to get on with things.

These rules are just made to target Springbok's superiority in world rugby

@KekeHimona

Ай бұрын

As if South Africa are only ones with a decent scrum lmao

@KekeHimona

Ай бұрын

Being superior at something means winning everything…not just a World Cup

@Justanotherrando-ny3vr

26 күн бұрын

​@@KekeHimona It's so nice to know that your precious NH teams haven't won a world in over 20 years. Keep crying.

@KekeHimona

26 күн бұрын

@@Justanotherrando-ny3vr Typical South African thinking NZL is in NH…but carry on whining believing everything rugby is only about SA

@rorygilmoreNZ

26 күн бұрын

@@KekeHimona no team is so dominant anymore that they win everything. You can still be superior by winning more of the important tests than anyone else. Just as the game is complex, so is navigating all the competitions, managing player resources and rotations and peaking at the right time. Erasmus & Co have been superior at that.

Why on earth isn't Nigel Owens on the world rugby panel consulted about making these sorts of decisions?

I don’t want to get rid of scrums but originally it was just a way of restarting a game, what I don’t like is that a knock on or forward pass can quickly be changed into a penalty by the scrum isn’t having possession good enough & teams using the scrum just to have space to create running rugby & put the ball in straight.

Wht haopens if SA win the world cup again What then????

@jcb9108

29 күн бұрын

World war 3 or 4 or 5 Fuck

@sylvesteraugustine6815

15 күн бұрын

😅😅😅Good question mate!!! I would bet on more changes to the rules 😂😂😂

Ruby Union is Rugby Union. It's not mild! It's tough! It's Modern Gladiators!

@samkelosam7581

Ай бұрын

😂

Leave rugby alone. Don't change a thing. If you want entertainment, simplified laws, no time consuming line-outs and scrums and a faster game played by full-time professional athletes, there is a version of the game played in Australia called NRL. I highly recommend it to any fans who think there's something wrong with rugby.

Never been a fan of the scrum, but, now see just how important it is to the game. Nigel makes perfect sense.

It’s not to “Help the game of rugby”, it’s to help the NH win a World Cup. Understand this and the all the changes will make sense.

@peterlangan1181

26 күн бұрын

They are also pandering to the U.S. market, trying to attract more of them into it, which is a bad move as they (the US) would end up pushing stupid other rules to suit them and further change the game. This ruling is stupid. The last World Cup had several fantastic edge of the seat games. If SA is dominating stop crying and learn how to beat them. Scrumming has always been the Boks super power, but history shows other sides still beat them. Looks to me like it’s NH crybaby antics. Changing rules to win won’t work. History has already demonstrated SH domination.

@cnoc500

24 күн бұрын

Yer erse

Money wise, worldwide, what is the current bigger game/money spinner, Rugby or League?

They must start thinking about a new name for this game without scrums. The scrum is pivotal to the game of rugby. A lot can be done to address the time wastages around scrums.

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

I wonder what the guy that picked up a football and ran with it thought when scrums were introduced.?? Probably had a fanny collapse.😂😂

@geoffhughes225

Ай бұрын

That's is what they are addressing.what advice do you have?

@quentinadkins432

Ай бұрын

​@@geoffhughes225perhaps add the time lost to scrums setting to extra time that ll work

@geoffhughes225

Ай бұрын

@quentinadkins432 how? That will make the game longer not faster

@quentinadkins432

Ай бұрын

@@geoffhughes225 thanks. Idea is though scrum set takes time if added to game time There's more time for running the ball. Games will be a bit longer which well if we love the game an extra 10 - 15 mins would be a treat That's the idea I think better than beginning the demise of scrummaging.

If we want to get the scrum back to being exited it is easy. Apply the rules put the ball in the center and straight. The drum will then be a contest you have to scrum higher and then punish the loos head if his side goes down and the tight head if it goes up

Am all for this, in fact I'd ditch scrums all together. Let's face it, the modern prop, (the most penalised player on the paddock), can barely seeout 50mins of the 80 before being hooked and replaced by another neckless wonder. If it meant the demise of the chest-beaters then so beit. No more Munster killing the clock by making a scrum last 15mins. No more dodgy pens, and no more man-bun'd ¾'s running in to pat backs from 25yards away. The ball would be in play longer. The play would be faster. The game would be more entertaining and ultimately SAFER. Bring it on.

That is why I love AFL. Fast game, non stop, with a rucking (with an r) component.

Exactly. There’s a reason that we love Union and those roars and behemoths like Beast, Os du Randt, Spicy Plum, Ox, John Smit et al. The scrum is integral and since Willemse’s call in that quarter-final, France have had sour grapes and then of course we knocked over England successively, ol’ Bill has been muttering down the corridors of Pembroke Street. Rugby is violent chess and we reward strategy and tact but also power and dominance, so teams quake in their boots against SA, Argentina and Georgia because they all have dominate scrums and can use that as an attacking platform. Let’s see it play out and the loopholes used around the scrum and deliberate fouls and watch the teams’ strategies adapt. I wonder what Doc Rassie has up his sleeve...

I agree fully with You and NiIgel,,well said !!! ,,Think firstly!! Who is world rugby actually? and who influences them? Then you'll understand a different dimension of this change . When ever one team , normally the Springboks, finds a way to dominate some form of the game, wr develop this allergy against them and start developing antibiotics to counter. So who are the allergic ones? who leads and who follows?

i get the point of the rule. Its horrible having 10-20 mins eaten up by scrumming attempts and fails. Its just a poorly thought out rule. You could of just stopped the clock when scrums started. That way its not used for time wasting and for big lumbering forwards to get a rest. Speed it up thats what everyone wants. But dont get rid of the scrum.

The scrum is a complete yawn. It can take five minutes or more out of game time and is often used as awayofwinningcheap penalties in a way that was never intended. The attacking side should have the option of reducing the scrum to two rows or one row, just like line outs. If the first scrum attempt does not succed the ref should have the option of reducing the number of rows as he sees fit. I'm fed up paying £90 to watch several resets of a scrum, and then it can happen time and again.

I think World Rugby should put severe speed limits in F1. It's just too dangerous. Do it for the fans.

At least what WR could have done was to give this a trial at say junior, under 20 WC etc and then take it from there. Tweak it or abolish it.

The scrum, as we have known it in recent times has been administered to become something it should never have been. Scrums are awarded as a result of a minor offence, however as a result of the unique unspoken games that props play between themselves, what has developed has been obscure awards for penalties, which can effect the results of the games. This does seem to be an unbalanced consequence to a slight forward pass. Thinking back to scrums at school boy level, they just got together, stooped down, ball down the middle, hook and shove. Back rows break away as quick as possible to nail the 10. It didn’t take too long, and a couple of resets were all that was ever needed. Looking at Genge, as to how his game is developing in recent times, that is interesting and better for the game as a whole. Union over League every time, however Union has been shooting itself in the foot with recent attempts to ‘improve’ the game. Perhaps if props spent their time pre match having arm wrestling matches in the bar, then that would get that part out of their system, and then we could all watch a good game of rugby afterwards?

Can't help but notice all the soccer jerseys 😅.

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

Closet football fanatic

As a number 2 this is concerning. Selfishness aside, it could ruin the spectacle. Scrums will be collapsed without worry, it could completely eliminate the scrum. What’s next no line out?

Actually Rugby League has Scrums and you can push.The ball may be feed in not straight, so it comes out very quickly and generally teams don't push. I understand in the NRL that they have experimented with a six again rule. This was scrapped in SuperLeague because it was very unpopular.

Just as a matter of interest, before everyone gets their knickers in a twist, does anyone know, on average, how many scrums are taken from free kicks per game ?

it removes the tactical aspect of the game I'm not too fond of the these changes

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

Oh bollocks. Just slows the whole game down. Adapt

Why am I only finding this channel now ?😮

Wanna see Rassie find a way around it anyway and Win😂

The other point people forget about making RL faster and faster is that not only did the body shapes become uniform, but it decimated participation from vets, over-35s etc. Simply got too fast. The knock on was those players dropped out early and fewer got diverted to coaching or reffing in later life. And that knocked on into youth teams......Which is why RL has such low player nos in the UK. Let us hope RU learns the lesson from RL's mistakes.

The problem addressed by the rule change was teams changing a free kick or a mark into a penalty. That’s why it’s a good change.

Agree Wholeheartedly with your opinion💪🏼👍🏼💪🏼

Absolutely agree with Nigel Owens. World rugby will in changing the scrum destroy the game.

Not to worry. The Springboks camp are on the Drawing board working for the way forward for a stronger Bomb squad. Always remember it's not only forward play that wins games for the Springboks. When they hear the name Rassie ! !! Panic are on the other sides camp.

totally agree and I hate these arguments between League and Union just watch what you prefer its not a contest about formats it's a love of the game

The best way to get people interested is to educate them . Sell the game, spend money and advertise it. The Americas are discovering rugby, Japan loves rugby...... Sell it. I hate this but sport is a business, treat it like one and sell, sell, sell. Sell it and people want to then know the intricacies of the sport and then appreciate the finer points. Don't change the game, change the fans, level up.

When you limit and eventually take scrums out of rugby, you have league rugby. I would suggest they rather apply the rules...like enforcing straight feed in the middle of a scrum to ensure teams actually have the opportunity to compete for the ball at scrums and line-outs, ensuring players are behind the kicker, especially at re-starts etc. And consider stopping the time when the ball is not in play, like with line-outs or scrum sets...will stop teams from wasting time by causing scrums to collapse etc. The team with the ball in hand should be given the advantage, more than the team defending (that could help limit all the kicking and the mindset to give the ball to the other team and then put pressure and hope they make a mistake), and it would commit more forwards to rucks and mauls and allow more space for backlines to create moves. And maybe line-outs should have all the forwards in it to ensure space for backlines on attack... Anyway, just a few thoughts...

mmm rugby league is pretty popular my dude.. i do agree its fucking up union.

if the law is going to be enacted a scrum option should be available from a free kick by the attacking side inside the 22. Many years ago off a free kick you would tap the ball , one pass, drop goal. We may see more of that. Next drop goals and penalties will drop back to 2 points.

About time this change was made. Scrums are now ridiculous. Watch the game from even 25 years ago when the scrums were over before the current teams even get to the mark. If we continue with scrum options perhaps we should again insist that a Goal i.e. a converted try has to be scored to be able to win a game. Current scrum laws make the game very boring most of the time when it can take a long time to get a scrum completed. A quick free kick will obviate the worry about a fully set up defence being in place.

Welcome to Rugby league we got there a few years before you but if you leave your name at the door we will consider your application 😂

Scrums arent the problem, the F'n TMO is.

@rorygilmoreNZ

Ай бұрын

But before we had the TMO, much of reffing was a lottery

@Justanotherrando-ny3vr

26 күн бұрын

​@@rorygilmoreNZTMO in of itself is a great idea, however the execution of then has been nothing but terrible the past few years. 1. Constantly showing from stupid angles that doesn't help a referee to make a decision. 2. Is massively inconsistent during rugby matches. Sometimes a ref for some reason isn't allowed to make a call for a tmo even when they game is at a crucial point. 3. France vs Scotland 2024.

@rorygilmoreNZ

16 күн бұрын

@@Justanotherrando-ny3vr I hear you. The problem is that rugby is a multimillion dollar industry now, so lives and careers and businesses depend on results, money wise. So for the “industry” I suppose they want accountability. So the more absolute accuracy of reffing, lack of bias and human error becomes a thing. And remember the high number of bias accusations and arguments that used to dominate rugby news? That’s what brought technology into the whole thing. So it’s catch 22.

Maybe it would be a good idea to stop giving penalties to the side with the stronger scrum. If they dominate the scrum they should win the ball and play with it. Instead, the stronger scrums just play for a penalty so that they can kick downfield for a lineout.

You have a scrum and behind the scrum is the backline. Get rid of the scrum and where do the forwards go? Well, they end up in the backline and that's and when you get rid of backline play

I am not in agreement with the rule but for a different reason. The games is for all shapes and sizes but since at the top level there are now eight available replacements forwards have become huge as most of the pack only has to play part of the game. Do away with the non-injury replacements and the forwards will have to trim down.

Can the scrum rule change be overturned or it is final indefinitely?

For some reason the sound on this video is messed up...

And it is not as if the top scrumn teams are necessary the heaviest players! It is an art and a specialist occupation!!

Good job saying it as it is 👍🏼

Thats really clever, so they want to take their chances against the Springbok backline

Surely there is a way around the scrum problem though? Just knock the ball on or pass it forward when your attack is not going anywhere. I'm surprised the Boks haven't resorted to that yet. Actually, we don't know that they haven't.

Rugby bullies seem to have a problem with South Africa's consistent victories, so why not completely ban the entire game?

It’s not an attack on the springboks it’s an attempt to get rid of endless minutes of inactivity which most casual viewers don’t understand or want.

@johnburton2534

20 күн бұрын

Stop the clock then.

@FAWicon

19 күн бұрын

@@johnburton2534 how does that fix endless minutes of inactivity ?

@marksimpson6170

12 күн бұрын

The scrum has to be done properly though. It's dangerous in there otherwise...

If the scrums go I won’t watch the game I love

@user-uk5zm7tx2z

Ай бұрын

Also the referees take to long to get the scrums set

I'm sure you've seen the similarities on attack by S.A franchises, I feel sorry for the IRB cause those guys are hungry to wear the green &gold.

We have a history of brilliant kickers so let’s see how they soon want to take kicking out of the game as well

I watch both League and Union - exactly for the differences which define them ! The scrum is part of the DNA in union and yes, exactly who are these people wanting these changes ? lets have the list please, and their email addresses !

The game was much more popular and stadiums much fuller in the 80’s when the game was much slower! WR is completely out of touch with what we as spectators want.

@lowiq3409

Ай бұрын

Yes but it's not about older people but reaching a younger audience Young people are used to instant and quick; T20 is an example

we the true rugby lovers don't even know who was involved in rule changes their names did they vote and was all but all rugby nations involved....sick.

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

So let's start a new union, global rugby

@dje2191

Ай бұрын

It's will carlings 57 old farts.

I support Nigel Owen's 100%. !!

If it ain't broke, don't fix it...simple as that!!

As a prop who played in the 1990s, I find the modern scrum a joke. It has become a means of conning the ref into awarding a penalty. It is impossible to win a ball against the head. I see penalties awarded when obviously the penalty should have gone the other way. The scrum has been part of the game since its inception. The modern scrum is a debasement of the traditional set piece.

Changing the offside line to the middle of the tunnel is baffling. Why? Surely it will suffocate backline play. As far as the laws on protecting the scrumhalf, why would you want to give him even more time to check for seagulls and draw a map of the surroundings? Make him get rid of the ball like a hot potato.

Scrums belong in rugby, but when last was there a game where the ball was thrown in straight? This us no longer policed. It used to be competitive but now there is never a turnover unless someone really stuffs thing up .

Imagine changing the rules just to beat the better teams lmao! Northern hemisphere is forever sad.

Who cares what he thinks better to ask the big rugby fans who follow and support if they would continue watching never needed the others over the last 80 + years. In that time we’ve some great games with the same rules over the years and rugby has always been a great game without all the know all’s having a say. I only agree with the high tackle improvement where a neck can be broken. Let world rugby make their own league and see how they get on.

This is nuts why are we trying to change the game. Scrums are part of the game , 😊

WR are desperate for a NH side to win RWC. These rule changes are going to backfire spectacularly.

They have made the wrong rule change if they really wanted to stop scrums taking over the game then they should have limited the number of forwards available as replacements.

The WR want this rule because the rest of northern hemisphere is fearful of southern. Hemispheres strength don’t ruin the game

Ah, the dulcet tones of bleating.

Next change we need is no scrum penalties

@billnortman5331

Ай бұрын

How can you have scrum penalties if you don't have scrums.

@eamonnoneill1340

Ай бұрын

There will still be scrums to restart the game after a knock on but there should not be any penaltys from a scrum just a tap and go if the scrum collaspes no resets

@billnortman5331

Ай бұрын

If there is no penalties just a tap and go then the falling back rule must also be amended because all the scrum players will either infront of the kicker or not backed enough so wich side is then infringing the rule and then gets a penalty kick

They're turning union into league.....crazy!!

Rugby Unions, should break away from the present upcoming new laws.!!

what about the big kids growing up once scrums gone, they won't have a place in the team. it's a very inclusive team sport with many roles to be filled - forget internationals..... it's about the kids and belonging and showing they can be great as well.

They are turning rugby into league

Yes at wot cost........cost of the game, that the WHOLE world of RUGBY fans LOVE ,dead!No scrums,no rugby, period!Rip rugby union!🫣🫣🤔😬😬😬💀💀💀🤡🤡💩💩🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦🇿🇦

@user-qe1tv1bu2f

Ай бұрын

Grow up, there's still alot of scrums dear.

@geoffhughes225

Ай бұрын

​@@user-qe1tv1bu2fhe's pole vaulting over chicken shit

@wahwah7701

Ай бұрын

​@@user-qe1tv1bu2fHey you we don't like these rules. If you can't hear that than f* ck off.

I can not understand that a handfull of people can sit in a boardroom and make decisipns like this on behalf of a game that millions love.without getting concensus from the supporters.

I think that players in line outs should not be taller than Faf. And weigh 70Kg max. Should not been faster than the rest. RIP rugby.

Let's be honest here, the new scrum laws is NOT about creating more running rugby, it is about neutering the Boks' scrum. The sooner Agostin Pichot takes over from doddering Billy the better for rugby's future.

That is why there is 7 a side rugby. You dont need to change for "normal" rugby.

All we called upon Doctor Rassie Erasmus

Let’s do a petition against these law’s people