Nick Cave, Do You Love Me? - A Classical Musician’s First Listen and Reaction / Excerpts
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Ringing bells… on New Year’s Eve, at the wedding, and then again, but the time, is it a wedding or a funeral?
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The fact that you find you honestly don't like the style of this piece, yet can give us nearly 15 minutes of fair minded insight into it, is very much appreciated and a tribute to the excellence of your channel. I'm no expert on Mr Cave and have never heard this track before but you have inspired me to explore more of the album. Incidentally, one of the tracks, 'Nobody's baby now' has at least one cover (by Headless Heroes) and is a favourite of mine. 'Into My Arms' is another song that you may like more. Cave is an interesting character who has experienced great family tragedy and still identifies, I think, as having Christian values whilst disparaging organised religion.
@lieseweiss1224
Ай бұрын
If you read his recent book called Faith, Hope and Carnage , you will discover that he is absolutely pro organized religion.
@psychokitty7268
26 күн бұрын
Liaten to straight to you. Beautiful.
@brunosm.l2267
23 күн бұрын
@@lieseweiss1224 right, it sounds cool to say "I'm spiritual but I don't like organized religion". Nick says: "religion is spirituality with rigour". Plus, I don't think one can fully understand his poetry without considering his view of the world. Most of his songs are dark, about complex matters, like this one. For him all of this has to do with sin. Sin is not a thing you judge, is a part of human nature.
@lieseweiss1224
23 күн бұрын
@@brunosm.l2267Beautifully put.🙏🏻
Wow! From Waits to Cave. Perfect flow.
National treasure. What a bard. What a genius. Thanks for your very considered reaction!
@seelenwinter6662
Ай бұрын
correct... but i would never call nick cave a rock band...
@JustIn-mu3nl
11 күн бұрын
I saw him a few times in St Kilda when I went to see my sister, 2 times in the same book store.
Nick Cave/The Birthday Party was a major influence on everyone you mentioned this reminding you of in one way or another (you can almost mark the point at which lots of hardcore punk bands moved away from the constraints of hardcore, where many of the "grunge" bands got their start, into much more musically adventurous territory, to The Birthday Party's only American tour; absolutely seismic influence). Amazing career, I've been a huge fan since his wildman dope-fiend days in The Birthday Party, so glad he decided to clean up and stick around. Would love to see you react to more of his stuff. Also, check out The Red Hand Files website, where he answers readers' questions with amazing insight and eloquence.
Yes!!!! Finally Nick Cave on the channel! ❤
nick cave... the biggest stage beast ever... if you see a live show from him, you will understand what i mean...^^
@BumperMorgan
27 күн бұрын
He is the consummate performer.
One day Nick Cave was at Shane McGowan’s house, while Shane was sloppy, passed out drunk and depressed. Nick reached into the trash can, and pulled out a crumpled sheet of paper with lyrics Shane had scribbled down in his stupor and thrown away. The song was “A Rainy Night in Soho”. Nick saved that song for all of us, and recently played it at Shane’s funeral. Amy, you need to hear it. Everyone should. In my opinion, one of the single most beautiful songs of the twentieth century…maybe ever. Might even clear KZread. Listen to the full song played by Shane and the Pogues…which is a band you should really know. Vlad, back me up on this…cheers to you both.
@seanmcmichael2551
Ай бұрын
Bruce Springsteen played a cover of that wonderful song during a recent May 2024 gig in Ireland. It was a tribute to Shane McGowan whose work Bruce admired.
Nick Cave is an amazing artist who has grown in so many different directions. Every album is unique and interesting.
As a film buff you must be familiar with Wim Wenders. His film "Wings of Desire" features almost entirely nick caves music
NC and the Bad Seeds are unique, unclassifiable, passionate, disturbed and often beautiful. If Amy explores into their back catalog she'll often be surprised and delighted :)
To give another chance to Nick Cave (another side of him), you should try a song taken from Boatman's Call (all ballads in it, more romantic, more piano, more confidential)
Leonard Cohen and now Nick Cave?! You're really spoiling us.
Australia's Finest!
@seelenwinter6662
Ай бұрын
yes... he is really a man at work...^^
@randomname4726
14 күн бұрын
And INXS
I think you will find that the term 'bad seeds' is used in the religious term. An 'evil parent' or person, is a bad seed, who will corrupt those around them. Think of it more like 'one bad apple will spoil the barrel.
@paulhagger3895
Ай бұрын
Evil child more commonly I think
@brettbridger362
Ай бұрын
@@paulhagger3895 Think it depends on your culture. Most references I've seen refer to something that will affect others, but i can remember a couple of times that it was used to refer to the offspring.
Tom Waits and now Nick Cave you have reached the two greats at the same time. The problem with both of them is one track only skims the surface of two great repertoires
I cannot deny my disappointment that Amy didn’t “get” this song by probably my favourite musical artist. Btw, my background was in classical music.
@lieseweiss1224
Ай бұрын
He is positively electrifying in live performance. Try “Stagger Lee” live at Glastonbury.
@BumperMorgan
27 күн бұрын
Better buckle up for that one
Nick Cave has enormous range and simply cannot be judged by one track alone. I find music appreciation of individual artists is akin to a local dialect. When checking out something like Nick Cave, I knew the words but still didn't understand what it is that I'm listening to. Once I picked up on the dialect, I found the music is very deep, very complex, and often mind blowing. Nick has some of my favorite records of all time, and some I'm still trying to understand. I hope you keep doing more Nick Cave reactions. (Abattoir Blues and Nocturama are both pretty accessible). If you really want to get crazy, give his other, very energetic project, Grinderman, a try.
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192
28 күн бұрын
Yeah, I left a comment about what song(s) I’d use to introduce someone to his music & it was more difficult than I thought. I also mentioned Grinderman (and maybe something from Dig Lazarus Dig). I suppose it would really depend on the person.
Love Nick caves creepy sounds! The "do you love me" feels like a threat!😅
@annakermode6646
Ай бұрын
Menacing is the word that always comes to me with Nick Cave. An absolute master. Love this song.
As an Australian I am contractually obliged to say Nick Cave is a wonderful songwriter who has written some of the best songs of all time. But just quietly, some of the monotonous vocal line on this song is due to his limitations as a singer. His best recordings somehow make a virtue of his limited range and technique.
@jeromedupont5218
Ай бұрын
bob dylan and leonard cohen have the same kind of vocals. he's not the first
@mrtveye6682
Ай бұрын
@@jeromedupont5218 All are classic examples for the fact that it's not always a question of being the technically best singer, have the largest range or whatever. In the end music is about a transporting a feeling, and if you know your limits, stick to your strong points, and stay true to yourself, chances are high you get way more exiting and unique results, that just being the next technically perfect but lifeless, boring and interchangeable voice. Besides ofc all oft them where/are great songwriters in the first place.
@goldenageofdinosaurs7192
28 күн бұрын
I love Nick Cave, I think some of his earlier work (and more recent work as well) can take a bit to get used to. If I were going to introduce someone to him I might try something from Dig Lazarus Dig, or perhaps a Grinderman song. I think my favorite album just might be the Proposition soundtrack, but I’m not sure I’d start there either.
“Bad seed” is a common metaphor for a bad person, and shares a similarity with the term “black sheep” as it implies a familial association.
@johnsilva9139
Ай бұрын
Yes, Amy didn't seem familiar with that term being used to describe someone's character.
Nick Cave's "Murder Ballads" album is one hell of a crazy ride. Watching Nick and Warren live doing "O'Malley's Bar" is sheer brilliance!
Ah, Nick Cave. I mentioned going on a bit of a Nick Cave listening spree once in mixed company once, and got back several "Who?" from the unaware, yet from those who knew of him, I received concerned looks followed by "Are you okay?" 😂
You have to listen to Nick Cave's The Carny
@jeromedupont5218
Ай бұрын
this song is even more frightening 😅
I wrote this reaction elsewhere. It is the closing track of an album. I was first taken by the lyrics, 'Do you love me?' which is relatable. The rest of the lyrics and the song's melody though reflect more a head space of 45 years ago. There is a kind of dark and urban kind of loneliness to both versions part 1 and part 2. I am not in that place anymore. I still thought it was a good song for being able to reflect the mood.
I've always found this emphasis interesting, too, as if it's not asking "do you love me?" but "do you really love me?". Nick Cave's music has always had this depressive, dark mood, but at the same time there is something anthemic, something uplifting about it.
@tetleyT
Ай бұрын
It's darkness fortified by undeniable power.
Blixa is a male.his name is an alias.his real name is Christian Emmerich he's a berliner. most of the members came from Australia but the band lived in Europe, London and Berlin at this time of this song and mostly during the existence of the band
Oh and now you're onto Nick Cave... are you going through my collection?! ;-)
Blixa Bargeld is a man, and a very special guitarr player. However, he's an even more remarkable singer and writer in his main act Einstürzende Neubauten. Now, there's a group you should react to.
Nick Cave and PJ Harvey duet from the album Murder Ballads is one of my favorite
That note about the falling cadence/pitch (i'm no music expert lol) on the question: "Do you love me", I would never have thought about that if you hadn't have picked it out. Same With Radioheads C sharp minor tone and that's where the saddest line is sung. It's these insights I love about your reviews! Love Nick Cave, love the 90's. Nick has a huge and varied catalogue of music. Music for thinkers and drinkers. Lots of thought and a little bit depressed. Talking of Nick Cave, P J Harvey is a great leap to make from there. Another unique talent and extremely interesting musically.
Blixa Bargeld is a German singer/musician with his own band : Einstürzende Neubauten (German for Collapsing New Buildings). Einstürzende Neubauten is more like 'Industrial' genre, or at least that's how I remember it. Blixa Bargeld is his stage name. Bargeld is German for Cash money.
Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds and Tom Waits...you're getting great recommendations. liked
It’s funny that the initial few bars made you think this was a modern song, because that instrumental always makes me think of the Doors from the 60’s.
Midnight Oil- my favorite Aussie band. The Power and the Passion is the first song I've heard, but their breakthrough was Beds Are Burning. Hope you get a chance to listen to them!
"Do you love me?" It reminded me of the fact he had a relationship with PJ Harvey somewhere around the 80s/90s. You should check out PJ Harvey too. Also an artist with a niche of her own, like Nick Cave
would be great to hear PJ Harvey soon.
@diogenesagogo
Ай бұрын
IT'S MANDATORY!!!
Saw him live on Monday night. His more recent style is more dark folk.
"... motivation is what gets you started, habit is what keeps you going..." Jim Ryun ( a quote from Hypnosis book ) After listen to this, I remember Air Supply, a band from Australia and Nick Rhodes, a keyboardist of Duran Duran. Thank's.
I'm trying to subscribe to your channel, but getting an error "Error subscribing, try again" just wondering if others are? I'd like to subscribe, the way you discover music and your reactions remind me when I first started discovering all these artists.
@VirginRock
Ай бұрын
Must be something on your end….
@daipearmain
Ай бұрын
@@VirginRock I see now others are having the same issues, because channels that I've been. Subscribed to for years now say in not subscribed. Google keeps messing up KZread with their greedy grabs.
Nick Cave is my favourite songwriter. He is a writer’s songwriter, and his lyrics are visceral and potent.This might not be the best song through which to introduce you to Nick Cave. I think if it were your first time, I would’ve brought to you ‘The Weeping Song’, or ‘O My Lord’ instead, then gradually get into his more tormented-but still very hooky-tunes, like ‘I Had A Dream, Joe’, or ‘John Finn’s Wife’.
You might enjoy the Nick Cave and Warren Ellis instrumentals you can find on KZread.
I'd recommend "Loom of the Land", spooky and atmospheric, or "Red Right Hand", bombastic and terrifying.
I would recommend the album "Henry's Dream", the whole album.
Completely understand why most Cave wouldn't appeal to someone with such a positive disposition, most being dark, gloomy and sorrowful. For most people, he's to be appreciated rather than enjoyed. There certainly are up moments, comparitively, but Nick could never write Yellow or Jungle Boogie.
Nick Cave sung Suzanne by Leonard Cohen, at the Sydney Opera house Nick Cave is the best storyteller.
I love Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds performance in the 1987 film Wings of Desire (German title is Der Himmel Über Berlin)
yes we do, yes we do, yes we do
Nick Cave, especially in that period,fills his songs with loss, sadness, violence and longing. Do you love me is a love song for when love has gone. It might have left but behind is the memory of the affair, and the rage, hurt and sorrow. It stands on its own, but if you are so inclined, please listen to his lecture "the life and death of the love song" Helpfully leaked to KZread In it he makes explicit his demands of the love song, amongst others that it contains in it the longing for the other, pain, melancholy and a sense of Los, without which, he claims, then love song is a disguised sing of hate. kzread.info/dash/bejne/g4CTldiFlMvJabQ.htmlsi=wb4Ge59xIvTUDX95
You should check out Host of the Seraphim by Dead Can Dance. The singer is the same as on the soundtrack to the film Gladiator. It's one of the most emotional pieces I've heard. In style more like a medieval choir crossed with Bulgarian singing than popular music. It's on the same level as Kashmir by Led Zeppelin.
Cohen, Waits, Cave... Sylvian? Nick Cave is enormous, difficult but he ´s a genious by his own.... mercy seat, from her to eternity...
"Bad Seeds" is a Biblical reference, to the Parable of the Sower and the seed that falls on bad ground, but is also derived from Nick's older band, The Birthday Party, who had a song that referenced "the damp and rotten seed that blooms into the demon flower". This is thematically something that would appeal to Nick, or at least would have appealed to the younger Nick. He's a more mellow person these days. Some of their songs are straightforward modern rock, but others are quite experimental and with unusual instrumentation and arrangements. Do You Love Me Part 2 is a good example of the latter from the same LP, but Nick's back catalog is a rabbit hole that can go as deep as you want.
I wouldn't overstate his Australian origins. No one else in Australia sounds like this and he settled in Europe many years ago. He now lives in England. He in fact has often been very critical of Australia and the impression he has created is that he didn't fit in here. This music is not really 'Australian'.
I can only imagine what would happen if Vlad loosed the fury of the Birthday Party upon her!
Song of Joy and the Curse of Millhaven would be great to react too. Murder ballads is one of my favorite albums. Just a warning, it’s extremely dark, disturbing and sometimes violent. Idk why I like it so much 😅
Cave was friends with Mark Lanegan, who was at the root of the Seattle scene. You should listen to Mark Lanegan’s solo work.
@lieseweiss1224
Ай бұрын
Blixa went on to form the seminal German experimental music group, Einsturzende Neubauten. You won’t like them, lol.
Delighted that you came upon Nick Cave. However, this choice of songs would have been way down on my list. Have seen Nick many times both solo at piano and with the Bad Seeds -- a more art-rock version of Leonard Cohen who was an enormous influence on Cave. Sadly, Cave never reached the popularity as he has in West and East Europe, where he quickly sells out huge halls and stadiums. There is a sophistication to his music, an intellectual angst, that goes beyond the average American's comprehension. His new release, Wild God, is brilliant... waiting for his next American tour. Dont miss an opportunity to see him live... he performs with a passion that is rarely experienced in today's music.
Sometimes I can't understand Karl's choices but Tom Waits followed by Nick Cave makes perfect safe.
I think that this nick cave song, given the album it’s coming from, is about kidnapping, rape and murder. To expend understanding his lyrics I’d go for older songs with the same name. Some knowledge about “her lady” church’s. The devil’s touch on her lady’s church’s. And maybe some about the hunchback of notredame.
Hi Amy the 'do you love me' is asking the person to ask themselves 'do YOU love me' … don't you think?
@michaelsnelling2918
Ай бұрын
… in the sense that the other person may have said 'I love you' and he is questioning it … as in 'do you REALLY love me?' … if you see what I mean!!
While you're on Nick Cave, an interesting "cover" comparison might be his cover of Bob Dylan's "Wanted Man".
please I need you to check out some more of Radiohead some time soon Much love, Amy!
You can't listen to this and not follow up with "Do You Love Me? (pt. 2)"? The two tracks bookend the album, and the latter adds context and contrast to the first.
Oh, we can’t hear the music 😕
no no Nick cave is not grunge he's timeless.
Reaccione porfavor al álbum innuendo de QUEEN
Definitely no grunge. Nick Cave is much more of a dark story teller. This is not singing out his personal feeongs, but a story about creepy feelings of a stalker. At least, that’s how I read it. I think if you listen to more Nick Cave songs, I think it will grow on you. It is misic that needs more time.
So much Rock and Roll history and still no Moody Blues. I love this channel, but it’s just not making any sense to me anymore, that such an Important and influential band has not been covered. Nothing against Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds.. They’ve got some interesting music. The Moody Blues is one of the biggest selling bands in rock history and I just don’t understand why they have been ignored.
If that was a surprise, you might care (or not) to visit Nick's MURDER album: a collection of songs about murder: Murder Ballads 2011.
@thekaratekidpartii2169
Ай бұрын
Murder Ballads was released in 96.
Well, this is not my favourite song from that album. And he has better albums. Nick Cave certainly has his moments. However, i think he's an acquired teste.
If Nick Cave gazed into his naval any harder he could perform an appendectomy on himself.
chop chop change what a mess!
I love Nick Cave from the start. But I don't think he is an outstanding composer. At the start he made chaotic non-melodic noise just for the sake of it. Only once in a while he wrote a brilliant song though. This is not one of them. His best piece is "Stagger Lee". Song is good , lyrics are fantastic and superbly funny. Lately he thinks he is a real songwriter and doesn't need much instrumentation anymore, just piano. Boring. Overrated and thus pretentious.
Nick Cave? Never heard of him in all my years, and it should've stayed that way.
It constantly baffles me how people think this guy is creative. Just my opinion.
@DrNothing23
Ай бұрын
Funny, it baffles me the few people I've run across who don't, don't find him creative. Listen to "Up Jumped the Devil" and "Right Red Hand", if you haven't heard them yet. :)
@surferles589
Ай бұрын
@@DrNothing23 I’ve seen him live and his stage presence is amazing. But his music always sounds pretentious. Like a wannabe Tom Waits. I’ll check them out though and revert back to you
@DrNothing23
Ай бұрын
@@surferles589 Ya, funny you say that. I've always thought of him as the Australian Tom Waits. hehe Never got a pretentious vibe from him, though. He's quite theatrical, as you suggest, in his live shows, so maybe it's the temperature of his thespian expression that seems a bit ham handed, thus, seems to have a pretentious air? He definitely takes himself a bit seriously, IMO, but not to the point of overdoing it for my taste anyhow. Considering what you say, though, I saw him a while back in Seattle promoting his Push the Sky Away album, and, I forget what song it was, but at one point he had a woman in the front row come up to him and put her hand over his heart while he sang to her. Ya, that is a little pretentious, now that I consider it... lol.
@surferles589
Ай бұрын
@@DrNothing23 I guess it flows so naturally for Tom Waits, NC seems contrived. I’m just fussy I guess. With so much crud out there I’m just ruthless with my time
@TPJN777
Ай бұрын
@@surferles589 and Tom Waits comes across like a wannabe Captain Beefheart
I'm sorry, but have you been hiding under a rock somewhere? Do you understand the colloquialism 'bad seed". The bad seed Is a description often given to children who misbehave or someone who doesn't conform to society's norms? It's actually kind of an ironic badge of honor. And I don't know what to say about this review, except if you don't understand Nick Cave and the bad seeds and find them strange... Means that I probably won't subscribe to your channel because our tastes are too far removed from each other. You sound a little bit like a naive school teacher encountering modern music for the first time. Nooooo. Don't think so.
@phil6419
21 күн бұрын
You’re cringe
Im giving up on you finishing "The wall" its ridiculous . You will do Taylor Swift and Vanilla Ice before you get that finished. Unsubscribing, all the best.
@phil6419
22 күн бұрын
You are entitled and snobbish. I’m sure she won’t miss you