Not being allowed to discuss both sides of an issue is tyranny.

@AKlover

11 ай бұрын

Forcing your side at gunpoint is also tyranny. Ideologies and governments born of Marx will not proliferate except at the point of A gun. Fascism, or in our modern context "Cronyism" can stand on it's own if the middle and lower class perceive and receive some benefit. Produce your quota or get shot................. not so much, not at all really. Marxism's various shades will always fail because they deny human nature and disregard incentives. Fascism will fail because of nepotism and the insular "In Group" fail to read where the "Red Line" is.

Frank and honest discussion is such a wonderful thing, it's a tragedy to see it being destroyed by the left.

@Supernautiloid

2 жыл бұрын

Two liars lying about communism and fascism is not "frank and honest discussion". You can't destroy something that doesn't exist.

Another very good discussion. What has happened at universities is very distressing.

@BurntheKremlin966

2 жыл бұрын

kzread.info/dash/bejne/lWSgz7qaZJuxY5s.html Hum hum...

Totally agree with Mr. Ferguson. Of course, his reasoning also applies to European civilisation (of which British history responsible for colonising North America, Austatralia and New Zealand is a part) as a whole and it's impact on the world.

They share one common trait......"We have it all figured out, we're here to save (insert victim class here), and if you don't agree and go along with it that then you are an enemy of (insert victim here)." Vicious smarty pants... All ends with a bullet.

@Mis-AdventureCH

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimberlykay130 I made an academic observation. You know nothing about my worldview or the work I've done over the years, which ranges from refugee camps to community paramedicine. You did prove my point, however..

@kafon6368

2 жыл бұрын

@@kimberlykay130 The common individual has no rights. They exist to serve the bourgeoise. Glory to the bourgeoisie!

I've always viewed Fascism and Communism as the same. They're both socialist. That's why I believe that fascism is far left just like communism even though it's claimed to far right...

@The_JohnnieWalker

2 жыл бұрын

Not a coincidence that it is the far left who are calling it far right. Everyone automatically thinks of fascism as the worst thing possible when communism should be thought of in the same way and this is due to left wing propaganda

@coreychuba

2 жыл бұрын

Nazism is national socialism. They persecuted fascists. Nazis and fascists are not the same thing, they just allied to try and defeat liberalism and Marxism.

@johnnydawson7675

2 жыл бұрын

This was one of the main points of Hannah Arendt.

@TimBitts649

2 жыл бұрын

Communism and fascism are based on hate. That's why they don't allow positive things to be said. Communists hate, based on class. Fascists hate, based on race. Any talk of nuance is anathema to them, for it takes away from their central narrative in support of their attempt to project their hate of other races and classes. Communism is more subtle, it hides hate behind academic words. Fascism is more frontal, it says what it intends to hate.

@MINDPLUNK

2 жыл бұрын

Horseshoe theory has been debunked

I read the Empire book and I thought it was written well and I learnt a lot. I wish more would read it and really understand NF's analysis.

It’s worth noting that multicultural societies ordinarily require a large bureaucratic state to manage the relationships between the competing cultural or ethnic groups. You can’t meaningfully discuss the loss of liberty in the West without mentioning the loss of cultural self determination that multicultural and multiethnic society entails. Notwithstanding what our masochistic cultural elites tell us, it’s much easier to share cultural space with people who are like you.

@GaZonk100

2 жыл бұрын

especially when the policy is of 'come one come all' no matter what

@MarcGoudreau

2 жыл бұрын

That's one of the most eloquent definitions of racism hidden under the self righteous façade of western Imperialism I've ever read.... Thank you. Eminent Australian politicians like Jon Anderson are such pernicious advocates of that level of racial profiling, having had ample experience enslaving their aboriginal populations and other minorities in Australias' dark history of slavery.

@GaZonk100

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcGoudreau or some hard truths...anyway, it's more 'culturism'...the police/citizen ratio of a country also tells a story

@squirepraggerstope3591

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcGoudreau While your PC leftist bigot's mantra is merely a bog-standard snippet of fact-free, quasi-religious trash masquerading vacuously as an intelligent comment

@EOTA564

2 жыл бұрын

@@MarcGoudreau Thanks! For the avoidance of doubt, when I write of the loss of cultural self determination I don’t merely write of nativist European sentiment but also minority non European ethnic groups which ultimately have the choice of integration, isolation or antagonism, none of which are especially palatable.

The extremists wings of politics, on the left and the right, bend so far in their extremes as to circle round and become indistinguishable in their practical effects, differing only in rhetoric.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

Right because international v nationalism, egalitarianism v hierarchy, multicultural v homogeneity, feminism v masculinity, etc are all the same thing. Listen to yourself.

@agaperion

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm You both are confused. OP is still thinking in the erroneously oversimplistic left-right dichotomy while you're conflating radically distinct axes of the descriptive continua. The relevant axes are individualism-collectivism and liberal-authoritarian.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@agaperion no, I'm comparing some of the fundamental differences between both ideologies. They are polar opposites in most ways. Why can't people understand what the political compass is without creating their own version of it?

@agaperion

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm Because the 2-axis political compass is oversimplistic (only 2 variables). The fact that so many people constantly have to modify or ignore it indicates that it's an inadequate model for the phenomenon in question.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@agaperion the political compass isn't a 2 axis compass? It's generally modified through political bias. People trying to lump as political ideologies as the same while their's is the superior.

A cracking summary from Prof. Ferguson. Two faces of the same monster.

So wonderful to hear these topics being discussed, it's been long overdue.

Both are collectivist ideologies. One ruins your life over race, the other class.

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

Underrated comment. The crucial element is culture. Not trash culture or even provincial culture but great culture.

Very true. V.S. Naipaul was lauded for most of his life, called "the greatest living writer of English language" as long as he was writing essentially anti-colonialist literature. But when he wrote things nostalgic of just some aspects of the old empire and the now lost way of life, he became ignored and largely forgotten.

@GaZonk100

2 жыл бұрын

his crime: indulging in restricted thinking!

'Cut-flower society', what a great label. Who coined it?

A BIGGGGGGGGGGG THANK YOU MR FERGUSON and your great team

Niall is really on point here. In saying right leaning academics have been 'too passive', however, he alludes to what I would call cowardice.

@diannemcbeth7428

2 жыл бұрын

Is it cowardice or wisdom? What's the benefit to "throw your pearls before the swine?"

@Broonzied

2 жыл бұрын

@@diannemcbeth7428 Please explain how they may have been wise.

Good interview John.

This needs to be repeated over and over again. So well put.

Brilliant conversation

Perfectly articulated.

Great discussion..

Great discussion .

Can a "free and open society' have quarantine camps for non-compliance ?

@MrMarcol29

2 жыл бұрын

Australia is not free

When I listen to Niall Fergason I'm immediately feel to abandon my engineering career and start studying Geopolitical science. 😂 It's so much joy when you understand how the world's politics and economy work

@timothypye901

3 ай бұрын

Honestly, I wouldn't. Read Grimm's 'The Mouse, the Bird and the Sausage'. 😉

Excellent men.

Two sides of the same coin, with conservatives trying to navigate the edge.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

Who funds fascists? And what exactly are ''conservative'' conserving?

@toby9999

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm Conserve what works and fix that which is broken. An overly simplistic definition but that's the general gist as I see it. The alternate is to fix that which doesn't need fixing.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@toby9999 when are they going to start the fixing part?

@jellymulder

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm they are always fixing the destruction the left leave behind when their regimes inevitably fail

@dendradwar9464

2 жыл бұрын

@@jellymulder Left spends loads of money a lot of misdirected, wheels come off and the right has to re-stablise things

Great views, this!

Keep on John. You have no choice.

A charming and unbotrusive host and a charismatic Brit. This episode is dope.

@moptopbaku6022

2 жыл бұрын

Explain yourself, please.

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

@@moptopbaku6022 He likes the accent.

A friend said to me that the two political extremes of left and right eventually form a circle and meet! He is right, once you here the rhetoric from both extremes it starts sounding the same.

@steviemac2681

2 жыл бұрын

I think it's called the horseshoe theory.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

Your friend was telling you lies.

@valenrn8657

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm kzread.info/dash/bejne/pI6ckpOxgrLFgco.html Karl Marx is a racist anti-Semite who wrote the book "On the Jewish Question" and National Socialism delivered the "Final Solution" for Marx's the Jewish Question. Karl Marx was advocating for racial socialism. *Both envious very big government ideologies come from envious Germany* . Both Marxists and Nazis have the doctrine of envy and socialism for their favorite group of people against an undesired group of people.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@valenrn8657 ''national socialism delivered the final soultion for Marx's jewish question''? Where exactly did Marx claim he wanted the genocide of jews? Keep in mind that he was ethnically jewish himself. Comparing communists and national socialists as the same thing just shows how misinformed people are.

@valenrn8657

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm >Where exactly did Marx claim he wanted the genocide of jews? Marx advocated "racist" wealth transfers against the Jews. Genocide is mass stealing against another person's right to life. >Keep in mind that he was ethnically jewish himself. You didn't factor in the contents of character regardless of ethnic or "racial" group. In terms of DNA, most European Jews are mostly European who adopted a certain idealogy from the Middle East. >Comparing communists and national socialists as the same thing just shows how misinformed people are. It's Communist propaganda to separate National Socialism away from Marxist Communism when both ideologies are very big government interventionist.

Most insightful

I had similar experience in college when I argued for nuanced view on this topic....

Functionally, there seems no difference between living in a socialist/communist regime & a totalitarian fascist regime. Frankly, I'd hate to live in either one.

@juliantheapostate8295

2 жыл бұрын

There's little theoretical difference either

@shaughnfourie304

2 жыл бұрын

ME NEITHER

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

Right because francos Spain was the same as bolshevik Russia?

@cyrilmrazek6649

2 жыл бұрын

would you perhaps prefer to live in a concentration camp in British Kenya?

It becomes easy for intellectuals to separate culture from studies of political ideology. This is primarily because we do not know how to measure culture. However the fact is that culture influences how political ideologies are realised. For instance Italy invented Fascism, but was nowhere near as murderous as Hitler's Germany. The extremisms of Marxist Leninism is also linked to the brutal culture of the Russian people that had only just freed themselves from a medieval feudalism. It is the dangerous cultural influences from outside Europe that most concern me today, which is often papered over by extremists of the left.

Critical that Americans and Australians come to understand communism and fascism are forms of collectivism. Mr. Anderson really should have a weekly show on Fox. Free peoples need to hear the fruit of diligent study and desire for the Good from true scholars.

@timothypye901

3 ай бұрын

Yeah, Fox, that's right wing populist mainstream MSM ghetto he belongs in.

They share the quality of extreme STATISM, which neither man seems willing to mention.

great interview !

Well put regarding communism and fascism, but not sure his point about being vilified for discussing the costs and benefits. His publications are presumably part of the discussions?

@diannemcbeth7428

2 жыл бұрын

The mob that vilifies doesn't respect nor practice "discussion."

@timothypye901

3 ай бұрын

Well, he likes the idea of himself as being one of an oppressed white, sensible conservative minority.

Well reasoned and scholarly 😅analysis

Regarding the admiration of other cultures, it's perfectly natural to be enamored of the exotic. We see stories of this going back to Solomon and the Ethiopian Queen. The British Empire had it's infatuation with east Asian art and styles (note both the "farthest point" cultures from the interested culture). You see this continue with modern Western culture. I see all of this perhaps as part of a sort of cultural Darwinism where cultures try on different practices, which make inroads to various degrees, but most of which die off in time, leaving a residue elemene. Empire is sort of a less organic version of this change.

I wish John would interview Tony Seba on renewable energy and disruptive innovation

Finally calling it by its name

Fascism, communism, western colonialism and empire caused alot of problems in many regions of the world.

Wow! That opening statement from our former Deputy PM is a bit out there!

@hebber1961

2 жыл бұрын

Is it?

It's refreshing to here grown up realism

@buildmotosykletist1987

2 жыл бұрын

@Dave... : Hear, hear.

Ferguson is little bit full of himself, though he did make some decent points in the final 2 mins. The closed captions did not catch Anderson's reference to Marx towards the end of the clip. I think "deprived" became "derived"

@timothypye901

3 ай бұрын

A little bit! He's completely up his white conservative privileged middle class a**e.

We are free thinking people.

Communism - class-based socialism Fascism - nationality-based socialism National socialism (Nazism) - race-based socialism Japan in the 1930/40s - combined nationality and race socialism The commonality is socialism regardless of its form.

Agree! Free societies with individual liberty. We learn so much from studying history in all it's good, bad, and the ughly elements.

It's more like Socialism and Fascism work well together.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

Last time I checked it was marxist and capitalist working together. They've worked together in the past in ww2, and they work together nowadays to demoralised people.

@dimakhidarkovskiy2175

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm hey Marxist, you are soooo smart? Ha ha ha ha , did you graduate from elementary school ? Genius

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@dimakhidarkovskiy2175 refute me. I dare you.

@dimakhidarkovskiy2175

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm you ain’t worth my time, but on that note thankyou, I was wondering if idiots read my posts. Когда ты бы вырос в марксизме ты бы меня понял благословит бог СССР

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@dimakhidarkovskiy2175 in other words, you're a coward that knows they will get found out.

Does anyone talk about what the world would of been like without expansion and colonialism? The discovery of new world. I imagine not very good or half as evolved or wealthy. Nothing to be ashamed about, all societies were barbaric to a degree, who are we to judge our ancestors." If men were angels, no government would be neccessary"

Aa a Communist and Anarchist l always find this type of analysis informative, occasionally of course, checking my skull for a nascent pair of devil's horns

Red apples and green apples are indeed both apples

@justinw2232

2 жыл бұрын

Exactly

So we need solutions to this not just an analysis of the problem.

Do you know what swastika is?

Link leads to another video. Nial is shades clean

Right. Left. Equal and opposite reactions?

Notion, motive...words that are relinquished to grandma's sewing basket...brought forth only for a cherished project..it remains a vitality that the heart of an is deceived and deceptive and only by reasoning together with God will heart rise up with a new spirit, the potential for right, noble, truth, pure, excellence and worthy.

When Algerians won independence, 1 million French colonials fled back into France. Working for Harvard Unitarians, I met Bishop Tutu in person helping Anglicans forcibly destroy South Africa's racist apartheid. Don't forget Amerindians when discussing America's colonization. Between 1945 and 1952, 6-8 million Germans scattered across Eastern Europe were forcibly repatriated back into German, where most spent time in concentration camps left over from WW2. This is how the world is.

Occam’s Razor The greatest story ever sold: Vespasian and Titus Flavius, Josephus, the Herods and the Alexanders: kzread.info/dash/bejne/rKF5tcWChcbcqpM.html

politics is not a bar with left and right , it is a letter "C" both ends are on the same side , right, the middle "left" is where freedom and democracy should be

class of nation/race/family vs class of occupation/money/property -- both is class. that's not the ideological distinction.

I am proud to be part English.

Cousin is right.

Take the case of India. It is definitely a net positive, the impact of British Empire on its natives. Note, it was not colonization per se in a India. There was no British settlement in India. Doesn't matter direct or indirect consequences. It is a net positive. 1. It freed the indigenous people of India from the 600 years of colonization by the Turks. The Turks did also colonized the Arabs and Iranians. They were also similarly freed from 600 years of foreign rule. Just imagine, if the mutiny of 1857 was successful, India would be similar to Afghanistan today. 2. Exposure to industrialization. 3. Modern universities were established, all destroyed by the Turki imperialist by 1300 CE. 4. Setting of great government institutions like Indian Postal Services, Indian Police forces, a professional Indian Army & Indian Airforce etc and an independent judiciary, ensuring rule of law. 5. And surely the ideas that came out of the American and French revolution that germinated ideas like modern democracy, republic and citizenship. There might have some republics in ancient India, but modern democracy is not the consequences of that culture. It was long since dead, thanks to the Turki colonization 6. A functional democracy, through elections and a written law book. 7.Indian Railways. Indian Navy. 8. Modern institutions like Archeological department, Asiatic Society, public hospitals, public schools etc opening up almost forgotten history of India. 9.And most importantly, a completely unintended consequence - a by and large a united modern nation-state called India. In spite of Pakistan and Bangladesh. In spite of partition. The civilization unity as one country was passed to the natives. 10. The left claim a loot of 45 trillion dollars. God knows how they reached that figure. Even if it is true. It was a worthy ransom - for freedom. All settled. But the gratitude will remain forever. Not to be forgotten A nation revitalized. Thank you.

@michaelhussey440

2 жыл бұрын

Very interesting to hear that from someone with an Indian name . Is it a common view among Indian people ?

@orunabho

2 жыл бұрын

@@michaelhussey440 No, it is not, unfortunately. There is a strange narrative currently cultivated in India. But, I guess senses will prevail. Preserve your culture. It is precious. We humans are all equal for sure, but not all cultures are equal.

@shaughnfourie304

2 жыл бұрын

THANK YOU FOR YOU HONEST COMMENT I agree with every word thanks

@cyrilmrazek6649

2 жыл бұрын

"not all cultures are equal" this video is also about you my friend ;) but since you prefer the net benefit of living in a famine-instigating police state, one cant be really surprised....

The Sickle is a symbol of time and time passing in seasons the hammer West Han United FC. The Swastika a hijacked Hindu or even Sumerian symbol. You should include conservatism up there with the other two. .

@diannemcbeth7428

2 жыл бұрын

Why? BTW, the sickle and the swastika are both symbols of the murderous repression of millions of people.

@likklej8

2 жыл бұрын

@@diannemcbeth7428 The sickle is older than fascism or communism it is an Eastern European and Scandinavian magical symbol of late summer/ autumn harvest time so it became a time symbol in western Europe its the grim reapers scythe and signifies time not death as in pop culture.

All I would say is that the kind of grotesque misrepresentation of the West"s past which Mr. Niall Ferguson refers to is the kind of misrepresentation which the European powers practised in respect of their colonies - they too were teaching a version of events which were a hideous misrepresentation of who or what the colonised people were or/ and of their past. Today that kind of phenomenon is visiting the West itself.

@diannemcbeth7428

2 жыл бұрын

Substituting a misrepresentation, whilst criticizing what you call another's misrepresentation, is circular reasoning. There is no singular, reductionist, entirely good or evil, "West's past". It would seem that in all societies, over all of known history, the powerful repress the less powerful. This is not unique to any version of history, nor specifically to colonialism.

@viswanathanseshadri1047

2 жыл бұрын

@@diannemcbeth7428 Madam, of course not. There is no singular , reductionist, entirely good or evil West's past. I haven't implied as such either. I have consciously and purposely refrained from thinking rhe West deserves this. Fot that isn't what I think. For I genuinely hope we can have better understanding and greater respect for each other. What I will however refer to is a very specific phenomenon, of the kind that both the interviewers as well as Niall Ferguson touched upon that in today's education (1) the consequences of European expansion was all bad and illegitimate. (2) people in the West are taught to hate and disparage themselves and their societies the way these have developed and progressed thus far. Because the Universities and educational institutions have been taken over by the left and a particular narrative is being pushed. All of you the West are not racist. But, and this is important, that is not the point. That is not even the allegation. The point is, irrespective of that, a consequence which we as a colonised people had to suffer as a consequence of consolidation of British rule and their takeover of modern education, something which is a policy decision of sorts and not just some individual's racist whims, and notwithstanding that majority of British might not be racist the consequences followed nevertheless. Of the British education in India, it was observed more than 100 years ago - The first thing which a boy learns is that his father is an idiot, the second that his grandfather is a fool, the third that all his teachers are hypocrites the fourth that all his sacred books are lies. By the time he is 16 , he is a mass of negation despising himself and his society. Isn't this what Niall Ferguson is noting is happening in the West? A little bit of introspection on a very specific phenomenon , which you are now complaining about when you are experiencing it first hand, but which in your time you merrily inflicted on others would have been in order. If that is not there, then we haven't learnt anything and aren't cultivating greater understanding for each other

@NigelJackson

2 жыл бұрын

@@viswanathanseshadri1047 Post Colonialism studies = Marxism masquerading as an academic discipline. The Mughal invasion inflicted far more damage upon the Indian cultural landscape than the British ever did.

@viswanathanseshadri1047

2 жыл бұрын

@@NigelJackson The arrival of the British benefited India only in the sense that it weakened the islamic choke on India, though India could not be finally felled. Beyond that, the British encounter too was every bit an extractive and exploitative enterprise. British contact brought India in touch with the advancements made in Western Europe in terms of science and technology etc. that is something which is more to the credit of Indians that they were willing to open themselves up to, despite the exploitative nature of the contact, rather than the British. There was no commensurate benefit to be had with the islamic encounter. I would add one more point that the Mughals arrived in india. In 1526. Prior to that there had been a further 500 years of Islamic vandalism in the form of the Ghoris, ghazhavis, and several other dynasties like the Khiljis, Tughlaqs and others.

@NigelJackson

2 жыл бұрын

@@viswanathanseshadri1047 From Sir William Jones' discovery of the linguistic relations of Sanskrit to Greek, Latin, English languages etc to Sir John Woodroffe's championing of Agamic and Tantrik shastras in the 1920s, the British encounter with India was way more nuanced and complex than your 'post-colonial' narrative would suggest. (Without denying the negative aspects of imperial expansionism on the ground, which I don't defend) There was also considerable cultural curiosity, respect and admiration as well as commercial exploitation etc. The picture is quite complex, more so than leftist academia would acknowledge...

Soviet Communism emerged from Romanov royalty. Nazism emerged from Weimar democracy. Don't forget that difference. German Nazis were resource starved. After the League of Nations started the end of maritime imperialism, military colonial administrations were imploding, as in Franco's Spain. Nazis were trying to newly colonize Russia (copying American Manifest Destiny in North America). Soviets were not resource starved and far more "ideological" in their aims and methods. All these and more details matter a great deal.

@johnnyissuper6955

10 ай бұрын

Russian population in the Romanov dynasty certainly was resource starved

Neither authoritarian extreme is healthy. So I think that, rather than lumping liberals with the illiberal extreme-left, or conservatives with the illiberal extreme-wrong, we need better ways to describe the range of sociopolitical affinities.

@buildmotosykletist1987

2 жыл бұрын

So more labels.

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

They're both extremes on the same side of the coin.

36k views... Should be az least 360k, minimum. Sad. My favorite basement baseball cap reviewer has higher weekly/monthly figures. Says a lot about the issue at hand in general.

Mao or Che iconography is becoming common in the States. Without a chance of "cancelation"...stunning asymmetry.

@shaughnfourie304

2 жыл бұрын

both EVIL MONSTERS

The Frankfurt School. That was an Islamic institution, right?

Communism and fascism have three things in common: red flag, great leader and pollution

@figofigo7908

6 ай бұрын

Didn't capitalist country didn't have a red flag poor example

@figofigo7908

6 ай бұрын

Best example is both have dictators

Ordo ab chao Omnes viae Romam ducunt

Research tartaria

We can't fight our government any more

Well if you keep death score...Capitalism is by far the most ruthless and lethal system. 🤷🏻‍♂️

They are one and the same just in different speeds

Control in any name

We want people to march under hastags now. # Whatever woke.

It was Western society which eliminated slavery, including the US over 150 years ago, while slavery still exists in other societies of the world to this day.

@cyrilmrazek6649

2 жыл бұрын

yeah, then the west invented extermination camps ;)

Why should slavery remain a blot on America any more than on the hundreds of countries and cultures who practice this for century after century? In fact it was the white Americans and brits that stopped this long long tragic history and went around the world stopping it. Give credit where credit is due.

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

Its a non-issue and they didn't even go around stopping it.

@pg618

2 жыл бұрын

@@aachoocrony5754 I perceive you have both feet firmly planted in mid-air. I bet you have rainbow hair color.

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

@@pg618 You don't perceive things very well in general. Ok bye.

@pg618

2 жыл бұрын

@@aachoocrony5754 Tell me your age, how many languages do you speak, and how many countries have you visited and how many countries have you lived in? I hope a 1000 people are watching and that you won't answer.

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

@@pg618 lol whats the point of your questions?

I admire our history. The Anglo-Saxon Christians have made the 1st world, the free societies, and those that 3rd world totaltarian States, people run away from. The present ideology has definately missed the point. Slavery in the US and the transportation of them by the British is, by modern standards, wrong but let's not forget that slavery has been in history for thousands of years. African economies relied upon them, while the Arabs & Muslims expected & used & enhanced them. Every race of the world has potentially been enslaved in the past by other races. Again, Let's not forget it was the British who blockaded the nth & sth Atlantic for about 30 years to stop it nor should we forget that the Portugese took more slaves to Sth American than went to Nth America.

Stalin was never an anti semite. His three (sequential) wives were jewesses. His daughter married a juden. The Skoda arms factory in soviet occupied Czechoslovakia was kept running after the war to equip the armies of Israel. Hundreds of thousands of Jews from eastern Europe and the USSR made their way to Israel while most people needed permission to leave their town.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

He was so anti semitic that a jew*sh couple gave them the blueprints for nuclear weapons.

@doomedt-62

2 жыл бұрын

Are you familiar with the Doctor's Plot? Do some research before claiming that Stalin was never an antisemite.

@stevetobin7495

2 жыл бұрын

Stalin was jewish

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@doomedt-62 you are talking through your hat. None of stalin's agendas were specifically anti semitic or targeted jews. Stalin was a paranoid man and he targeted 'anyone' that thought he was a threat. There has been a lot of research done on whether the Soviet union was anti semitic or not and there is zero evidence of them ever been. The complete is opposite is true, which I've highlighted in a previous comment about the Rosenberg. Ask yourself this, is communism is so anti semitic then why are they still in support of it today?

@doomedt-62

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm you choose to ignore history. Very well, I'll explain the Doctor's Plot more in depth. Four large camps were built in southern and western Siberia shortly before Stalin's death in 1953 for the Jews. A special "Deportation Commission" to plan the deportation of Jews to these camps was created. Nikolay Poliakov, the secretary of the "Commission", stated years later that, according to Stalin's initial plan, the deportation was to begin in the middle of February 1953, but the monumental tasks of compiling lists of Jews had not yet been completed. "Pure blooded" Jews were to be deported first, followed by "half-breeds" (polukrovki). Former CPSU Politburo member Nikolai Bulganin said that Stalin asked him in the end of February 1953 to prepare railroad cars for the mass deportation of Jews to Siberia. You have no evidence to suggest that this antisemitism was fabricated in any way.

No one wears Marx or Lenin shirts, they all wear Che.

@jimiweetbix8926

2 жыл бұрын

There is a Lenin statue in Portland...

What's wrong with 'keeping score' Niall? Murders per year, starvations per year, executions per year. Seem like rather obvious and universal measures, no?

@smorre4004

2 жыл бұрын

By keeping score, a lot of people would have to admit that capitalism is better in comparison to the only other viable options given

@cyrilmrazek6649

2 жыл бұрын

@@smorre4004 yeah, Belgian gum companies run really "high score" capitalism in Congo...

@smorre4004

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyrilmrazek6649 What happened to Congo was mostly the fault of Belgian monarchism. Bad private companies certainly exist (especially when they are joined to the hip with the government) but the USSR alone killed ~60 million of its own people. Mao Killed ~40 million. Free-market capitalism (where the markets are free and not enslaved) is still better in comparison

@cyrilmrazek6649

2 жыл бұрын

@@smorre4004 "where the markets are free and not enslaved", well what about communism, which is free and not enslaved? You are basically using the "but it wasn't real capitalism/communism" argument, but you're a total hypocrite about it...

@doomedt-62

2 жыл бұрын

@@cyrilmrazek6649 communism is the antithesis to privacy and individual liberty. A totalitarian state is required to uphold the ban of private property. Which is exactly what happened in Lenin's Soviet Union after he came to power.

Yeah, Niall jumping on the horseshoe theory bandwagon. About right for him.

Socialism and fascists the same thing

@tao7376

2 жыл бұрын

young man, you do not know what is neither fascism nor socialism - go and study original authors of both conceptions rather repeating words of engaged authorities

Yes, the horseshoe or circular spectrum - the centrist democratic parties (Liberal and Labor) are at one pole, and anti-democratic authoritarian movements (absolutist monarchists, fascists, communists) are at the other.

Socialist Nationalism is based on race and only race. Fascism is based on the Nation, not the race. Only the nation. Facist Peronismo in Argentina embraced Los Descamisados. All ethnicities and races are what made Peron and Peronismo. The Third Way. -The Collettavist Nation. Do not confuse a branch of the Socialist family Marxism as the tree. Fascism is a branch of the Socialist tree, as is Socialist Nationalism is another. How does Professor Ferguson not know this?

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

Its all the same. Same historical roots, same means, and ironically the same ends which they purport to fight against-totalitarianism. For Mussolini fascism is corporatism. He was a socialist/communist and lifelong admirer of Lenin. The only difference was he saw war as the means to his end so he branched off to fsscism. The Liberals manipulate/weaponize both.

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@aachoocrony5754 ''it's all the same'' laughable. Thomas sowell was a marxist in his 20's, does this make him a communist too?

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm So Thomas Sowell was a Marxist and then he wasn't. So your argument is laughable? I guess? Who's laughing?

@MartinMartinm

2 жыл бұрын

@@aachoocrony5754 it's laughable how you generalise every as ''the same thing''. People's views change with time and more knowledge, but not according to you. If you support communism at a young age, then you're a communist for life is what you're claiming.

@aachoocrony5754

2 жыл бұрын

@@MartinMartinm nah you're just putting words in my mouth. You should read what I first wrote about Mussolini etc. Those aren't generalizations but you could take generalizations from it-look at the bigger picture. You're welcome.

He is wrong already in the first minute and a half. First, communism saw (or still does) the society divided into _economical_ classes, not just classes and, equally importantly, that people are mainly if not entirely driven by their economical interest. Second, fascism does not have racist component to it, he confuses it (as many people do) with Nazis. Fascism was based on the conviction that a state is the primary force and it has to be led by a strong central figure. The state is more important than individuals and to control people totalitarian means have to be used. Individual has to submit to the nation, but unlike in later German incarnation the nation was not equated with race. Moreover, in the 30s some European nations were ruled by autocratic regimes who were akin to Italian fascism but hostile to German nazism which had already been recognized for its murderous tendencies. So I gave up at 1:40.

@peredavi

2 жыл бұрын

That’s too bad to not listen to someone for 10 min but just write them off. That’s going on at universities. Not listening to different views. It’s not the academic way.

@toby9999

2 жыл бұрын

Many confuse racism with nationalism and as you said, many confuse fascism with Nazism.

@4570george

2 жыл бұрын

I gave up on the BS at about the same time. Mate, you're the closest to reality of all the ignorant comments I have read. Watch the doco: Europa, the Last Battle.

@EOTA564

2 жыл бұрын

I understand the point re. basal Fascist theory but let’s not kid ourselves - neofascism is invariably a primarily nativist/racial identitarian movement.

@tincoffin

2 жыл бұрын

What is the difference between an 'economical class' and a 'class'?

There is no right wing just the left and centre

I wasn’t aware that fascism was based on race. I thought that was Naziism ?

Ferguson gets the history and nature of fascism badly wrong here. Fascism wasn’t wiped out by 1945. Explicit fascism survived in Franco’s Spain and in the form of the Bathe party across the Arab world. Likewise, multiple Militant Authoritarian Nationalist regimes which could fairly be described as fascistic lasted for decades across Latin America and Asia. While these regimes recognized nationalist divisions, their persecutions were not primarily based on nationality but on perceived loyalty to the state of both groups and individuals. Ethnic minorities could, and often did, thrive under fascist regimes when they avoided getting embroiled in leftist politics. Also, Ferguson needs to avoid the topic of race based slavery in the US. He neither understands it nor recognizes the sensitivity of the issue. That’s inexcusable in a historian who should have the sense to realize that an issue which was central to the deadliest violent conflict in a country’s history is a touchy subject.

@cliffgaither

2 жыл бұрын

Theodore McCarthy :: Your last comment is too absurd to address in any deal. So, I simply ask you ::: How do you expect any Historian to avoid the topic of race-based Slavery in the United States just because it's "touchy" ? You may as well leave out the Slavery of Ancient Rome and The Colosseum.

@theodoremccarthy4438

2 жыл бұрын

@@cliffgaither I would expect historians to address the topic of race based slavery in the US the same way they should address any sensitive issue: with sensitivity. I.e. I would expect serious thought and careful words, not cliché ideological bromides like “slavery is certainly a blot on the history of the US”. This is especially the case for historians, like Ferguson, who claim to be struggling against political correctness and cancel culture. Such a historian should be able to apply the simple litmus test of “do my words sound like something my unreasonable enemies would say?” If so, then they should reconsider their words, and their positions.

Wh does he denigrate the Frankfurt School? That is gratuitous.

@Kieselmeister

2 жыл бұрын

The Frankfurt school thought that Maoism would save the communist project from "buerocratic socialism" and bring about a true socialist democracy... In 1969... After Mao had already killed tens of millions of his own people, and so severely damaged the ecology of China through arbitrary extermination of keystone species, diverting of water sources, and deforestation that 57% of China has undergone desertification. The kindest description that could be given of them is that they were romantic idiots... The fact that many of the Frankfurt school were ethnically Jewish is irrelevant, as Jews were and are overrepresented in every academic field due to a cultural prioritization on education, and one could make the same observation about Nobel Prize winning chemists, and even the polar opposite of socialism in the Vienna school of economics. Speaking as a Jew myself, ethnically jewish communist theorists barely qualify as Jewish at all, as they generally disdain and denigrate the culture, history, and religion of the Jewish people. Which makes sense, given that Karl Marx was raised Lutheran and internalized that church's anti-Semitic tendencies, and was also a malignant narcissistic who spent most of his life living off of handouts from his more successful relatives and was immensely resentful of them.

@johnnydawson7675

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kieselmeister Please name some of the members of the Frankfurt School who were Maoist. I was not aware of that so, please, educate me.

@Kieselmeister

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnydawson7675 "In Vietnam, in Cuba, in China, a revolution is being defended and driven forward which struggles to eschew the bureaucratic administration of socialism" - an essay on liberation, Herbert marcuse, 1969

@johnnydawson7675

2 жыл бұрын

@@Kieselmeister I heard Marcuse speak at UCSD in 1972. A marvelous thinker.

@Kieselmeister

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnnydawson7675 The problem is that all of Marcuse's thought was within the logical context, the epistemology, of the Hegelian dialectical method. (Marx being a "young Hegelian" with a doctorate in Hegelian philosophy) The epistemology of the Dialectical method is INTERNALLY consistent, but it is very much NOT consistent with observable reality, and is inherently anti-empirical. Which is not particularly surprising, as it was originally developed because Hegel was unsatisfied by the fact that empiricism cannot answer metaphysical questions, and by the fact that empiricism is not "pure" logic, as it is built on a priori assumptions which are external to the individual. (IE, The universe exists independently of individual people, we are all inhabiting the same universe, the laws of the universe are consistent over time such that they can be demonstrated to other people through experimentation.) The specific problem with Hegel's "pure" logic is that, because it functions based entirely upon individual thought, that means that A. It is entirely possible for different individuals to come to completely different conclusions and both be "logically correct", and B. That all statements produced by the Hegelian dialectical method are inherently not statements of objective demonstrable fact, but rather statements of subjective individual belief. (IE. If your existing beliefs are treated as a priori fact, the dialectic synthesizes them into a coherent framework, even if they are mutually contradictory.) One could be the most "marvelous thinker" that has ever lived, and develop the most beautifully perfect theoretical system to explain the world, and still be observably factually incorrect if you have built your thought on a foundational epistemological framework of sand. The public writings of Herbert Marcuse, no matter how beautiful or inspiring, are ultimately statements about the logical implications of Herbert Marcuse's a priori assumptions and beliefs, and the only connection they have to objective reality is the fact that Marcuse objectively existed to make statements. Marcuse based his thought on fewer objectively incorrect assumptions than Marx did, but he was quite ignorant about the physical sciences, and especially biology, and he had a fixation on the works of Sigmund Freud despite the fact that the majority of Freud's conclusions had been empirically disproven decades earlier. Ultimately the core requirement for the utopia he envisioned to exist, was the creation of Marx's "socialized man", and fact of the matter is that the concept of "socialized man" is inherently inimical to the biological reality of all species. Marcuse's theories are ultimately the sociological equivalent of Lysenko's theories about botany. And attempting to actually implement them in society is likely to end about as well as when Lysenko's theories about "socialized" plants were implemented in the Soviet Union and People's Republic of China. (IE millions of lives ended, and millions more stunted and ruined.)

Conservative ideology is not that different from fascism

Nazis were not fascist..

Both are so out of touch and ill informed, a disgrace. God help us if this is the best we can do.

@diannemcbeth7428

2 жыл бұрын

And name- calling is "the best"?

Anderson has decided to specialise in these privileged white guy intellectual discussions.

@maddyg3208

2 жыл бұрын

"Privileged" - the latest meaningless slander term used by losers everywhere

@diannemcbeth7428

2 жыл бұрын

Would that be better or worse than indulging in ad hominem attacks posing as argument?

Nonsense from a right wing chatter box.