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Great line. "Who do you think is coming to wipe you out, the Grenadier guard"?

@kbuitienthinh

Жыл бұрын

i still don't quite get the significance of this line. Can you explain a bit more the meaning of this quote???

@dragonstalk86

Жыл бұрын

@@kbuitienthinh the Grenadier Guards was an elite unit in Europe, the idea being Caine's attitude is dismissive of Zulu warriors yet his command is on the verge of annhilation

@lyndoncmp5751

Жыл бұрын

The Grenadier Guards are one of the oldest and most prestigious regiments in the British Army. They are among the ones you see guarding Buckingham Palace, doing Trooping The Colour etc yet they have a battle record second to none. If you've seen A Bridge Too Far, the Grenadier Guards were partly tank based in WW2, part of the Guards Armoured Division, fighting through Normandy and Market Garden etc. They took Nijmegen and the Nijmegen bridge during Market Garden, alongside the US 82nd Airborne. He's saying its not some famous elite regiment coming to wipe out his men, but rather the Zulus.... who he appears to be mocking.

@jcolbyt82

Жыл бұрын

@@lyndoncmp5751 Was he being dismissive of the Zulu by saying that or was he saying that because the other officer called the native soldiers cowards yet they were in extreme and imminent danger of being wiped out by the Zulu, who were also black native “cowards” according to him? I’m not calling your analysis into question but am curious myself as to what exactly he meant by that.

@lifeinjersey9846

Жыл бұрын

@@kbuitienthinh Michael Caines character was saying the 800 British died because of the Cowardly Black's. However this guy was saying. Yeah guess who killed the 800 British? Blacks. Its not super elite unit from Europe that is about to overrun them but Blacks that he just insulted and called cowardly. Basically its a quote to show some respect to the enemy who just won a major victory against the high and mighty empire

"I rather fancy he's nobody's son and heir now!" I love that line.

When I served many, many years ago we were going through basic training. Weeks had gone by without a good night's sleep. One evening we were called into the hall and told to get ready for bayonet training. We were exhausted and confused why we were still training late into the evening when usually we had been dismissed to clean our kit and barracks. Then in the hall they rolled down the projector and played ZULU for us... a rare evening off work.

One of the great things about this movie is that anytime anyone insults or degrades the Africans there's always someone there to put them in their place. Here when the native levies are referred to as "cowardly blacks" someone else rightfully points out they died fighting for the British.

@user-tj5di9kv1u

Жыл бұрын

Yeah same when one of the men in the hospital calls the Zulus a bunch of savages. The Swiss guy corrects him.

@jimmiller5600

Жыл бұрын

Especially since the comment is astounding in that he's just been told the column had been wiped out by................you guessed it. Mental gymnastics like that are uniquely exhibited by these types, whether it's white/black or, by example the WW2 Japanese expecting their unique bravery to carry the day or, a favorite of mine, WW2 US navy commanders not expecting Japanese to be any good at night actions because "they can't see at night as well as we do". Ethnic or national superiority fantasies have brought an sudden, ugly, violent end to many a conflict.

@user-tj5di9kv1u

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmiller5600 True. Never underestimate your opponent.

@jacktenrec472

Жыл бұрын

@@jimmiller5600 hahaha well said

@TheArgieH

Жыл бұрын

I have put this elsewhere so sorry if it's a repeat. The ordinary Brit of the day admired the Zulu for their hardiness, courage, organisation and discipline. The information display in the Scottish Fisheries Museum explains that the Zulu class sailing fishing boat of the 19th century was named the Zulu class because of of these qualities. The life of all 19th century Fisher folk was pretty hard and dangerous (the Scottish women travelled South to Yarmouth to meet the fleet and gut the catch for salting and packing) so it is a real compliment. Not to mince words, the Zulu were an aggressive, expansionary empire who had already overrun their neighbours. However, they did not want to clash with the British (sensible viewpoint) and this war was not meant to happen. I blame Chelmsford for both the war and the disaster at Islandwana.

Dalton is made to look like an effete woose. He was the most experienced serviceman at the station, and was instrumental in both organising and managing the defence. Highly undervalued in the popular histories.

@redcardinalist

2 ай бұрын

>>He was the most experienced serviceman at the station Really? where do you get that from? He was a former Britsh Army NCO. But how does that make him the most experienced serviceman at the station, pray tell? Also, he's not (imo) made to look "effete". He's polite and respectful. "and was instrumental in both organising and managing the defence" Was he? I'm sure his advice (as an exerienced nco) would have been welcome but " instrumental". Again where is your evidence for this?

@Gungho1a

2 ай бұрын

@@redcardinalist He had been a former infantry RSM, and took a commission as a commissary officer, which still occurs in some commonwealth, ex Empire, armies today, although its now a quartermaster role. A number of personal accounts testify to his role and leadership, including Bourne's, and a number of revisionist histories cover it. He had retired from service several years before the war, in south africa, and volunteered. Due to age and the nature of the initial invasion force, he was put into the commissariat. However, if you have doubts, read his VC citation, it states very clearly, "...he actively superintended the work of defence...This officer, to whose energy much of the defence of the place was due...". Cant say it much plainer than that.

@Gungho1a

2 ай бұрын

@@redcardinalist I'll add a bit more...it was Dalton who convinced chard and bromhead not to evacuate to Helpmakaar, and to stay and fight. As far as I can find, there was no suggestion of skirmishing up the oskarberg, and the initial idea was to evacuate. Dalton was right, because they could have been cut up doing so, but he also knew that the transport they had was not possible for the role, as the cattle at the station were beef cattle, not oxen to pull the few wagons there. Second thing was that abandoning the station would have left the remaining central column ammunition and food reserves to the zulu, leaving the central column remnants with only the food and ammo on their backs...food being nearly gone, as they only carried patrol order.

@alexbarrett6347

8 күн бұрын

​@redcardinalist what a spanking, gave enough info to shut your claim down and then came back to add another just for fun

This movie is a Masterpiece!!! Never get tired of watching it. Only wish I could have seen it on the BIG Screen!

@mattdenham8057

Жыл бұрын

correct

@julianrichards6125

Жыл бұрын

I did... my dad took me to see it when it first came out. I would have been 9ish.

@germanshepherdlover2613

Жыл бұрын

That glorious panoramic scenery on the big screen in 1964 would have been revolutionary. I'd love to see it on the big screen NOW!

@WRLO56

Жыл бұрын

First movie my dad ever took me to see. I was eight years old. (Imagine being allowed to take your eight-year old to see a movie with topless women wandering around, these days.)

@davidkoplitz1969

5 ай бұрын

I saw it when I was 8 years old. My older brother and I stayed and watched it two times.

Dalton was actually the mastermind of the defensive scheme.

Michael Caine almost got fired because the big wigs back in London viewing the rushes didnt like Cain walking around innitialy with his hands behind his back. When asked to explain why he used to that characteristic, Caine said he saw then Queen Elizabeth's husband Prince Phillip do it, it represented authority and respect!

The movie is great but John Barry's music makes it truly magical

@jerryc3093

Жыл бұрын

Amen.

@drgeoffangel5422

5 ай бұрын

Agree! 100%

@vicsaul5459

5 ай бұрын

Thankyou, as he did for many films 🎥, walkabout, out of Africa, dances with wolves, Bond. Movies, etc etc

I love the tension building before the battle. I love how they create tensions in the British camp as well between the Natal natives and British; between Chard and Bromhead.

I admire that Michael Caine is willing to embody a man who has real backbone and is an ugly racist at the same time. The fact that these attributes can exist in the same person - makes him more than a one-dimensional character. He did something similar in The Man Who Would Be King.

@tomhaskett5161

Жыл бұрын

His character is representing the attitudes of the time

@riazhassan6570

Жыл бұрын

Also, the wanton shooting of animals for ‘pleasure’ in the early scene

@TheArgieH

Жыл бұрын

@@riazhassan6570 For the pot surely?

@riazhassan6570

Жыл бұрын

@@TheArgieH You mean he deliberately missed the leopard that was minding its own business because he couldn’t eat it? Maybe: but this was also the age of trophy hunting on a grand scale

Later, Caine appeared in the fine film, 'The Ipcress File', whose music was written by John Barry.

Running soldier trips at 0:19 :P

@michaelriddick7116

Жыл бұрын

🤣😂 I love stuff like that!! In Star Wars (I think A New Hope) one of the storm troopers smacks his helmet into a bulkhead in one hallway scenes! 🤣😂🤣

3:02 Probably the most accurate line about officers of the British Army before reforms were implemented.

@roberthudson1959

5 ай бұрын

Until fairly recently, it was still possible to be commissioned into the Armed Forces when quite young. Sir Timothy Laurence, to cite a living example, was commissioned as a midshipman two months before his 18th birthday.

@AngryMarine-il6ej

5 ай бұрын

@roberthudson1959 If I'm not mistaken, commission's in the Royal Navy couldn't be purchased. A midshipman had learn and earn his way up. And the youngest recorded midshipman was 12.

@roberthudson1959

5 ай бұрын

@@AngryMarine-il6ej My point was simply that lower-ranking British officers can be younger than their counterparts, particularly those in the USA. Laurence was simply a somewhat-familiar name to use as an example.

@AngryMarine-il6ej

5 ай бұрын

@roberthudson1959 Point taken. My comments are for the most part, based on what l learned from studying military history. It was well known commission's in the early periods could be purchased. It was I believe a year or so before Rorkes Drift, they abolished the practice. So, Brodhead may been one of the last to do so.

@roberthudson1959

5 ай бұрын

@@AngryMarine-il6ej The purchase of commissions was banned in 1871. Rorke's Drift was fought in 1879.

Commissary Dalton is like a union steward!

0:33 Savage Chard🤣

dalton was far from the effete pen pusher seen here.i by the way think this is one of the best movies ever so intend no complaint.his part was like many others simplified to fit the script and running time.he was in fact a retired csm and veteran of many a scrap and was in reality the only man at the drift with real combat experience.bromhead had been abandoned when the major commanding ran away ostensibly to warn hepmakaar! neither he or chard had any real idea how to organise the defence.it was dalton who organised the barricades and when the native levies fled realised the perimeter was too big to defend so erected a wall of biscuit boxes across half of it then built the final redoubt! he was then wounded in action but continued to distribute ammunition under heavy fire! the courage of the men at the drift cannot be overstated.the major who fled told the relief column at helpmakaar that they were all dead as did the remants of durnfords horse and other survivors.obviously to cover up why they abandoned them.chelmsford and his column also assumed the men were dead or as good as.they all wondered why the fit men didnt just run.chard and bromheads decision to fight was with the full knowledge it was probably hopeless but they refused to leave the sick in the hospital.to try and move them would have made them easy targets on the road to helpmakaar.in fact a fairly timourous relief was attempted but the troops seeing the fires from the burning hospital assumed the men had lost and were dead so ran back to helpmakaar where the town was in a state of terror cowering behind barricades expecting the zulu army any second!

@BlyatimirPootin

Жыл бұрын

So the men at Rorkes drift effectively defended the town. Interesting.

@mikekemp9877

Жыл бұрын

@@BlyatimirPootin the total surprise of the zulu victory led to panic in natal they fully expected a full scale invasion.the same reaction oddly occurred in washington after the little big horn full scale panic! they expected all the native americans to invade the east! had the impi at rorkes drift obeyed cetewayo however not to cross the buffalo the battle would never have happened.helpmaaker was never in any danger.cetewayos plan always was to defend.the british invasion was illegal by crossing the river into natal the impi lost him the moral legality and made him the agressor.

@BlyatimirPootin

Жыл бұрын

@@mikekemp9877 ah yes of course I forgot that they never were mean to attack

@mikekemp9877

Жыл бұрын

@@BlyatimirPootin it became a standard ploy of the europeans in the scramble for africa then unfolding.provoke the native tribes into an aggresive act then claim self defence.it was a template for what rhodes did to the matabele with his private army 16 years later.one wonders in hindsight what if? had the zulus obeyed cetewayo where did it leave the british? a military disaster in a war unsupported by westminster may have resulted in a peace commision instead of a second invasion.despite the image of colonial conquerors the british had the home government was certainly wary of committing to wars abroad.indeed given the disasterous 1st boer war that followed swiftly it might have been in british interest to keep the zulus pacified as potential allies against the boers.zululand offered no treasure house compared to the riches of the transvaal.5 years later we see a similar situation occurring in the sudan with the hicks disater and the relief of gordon.in that case gladstone was extremely reluctant to get involved in occupying a country that had nothing of value for the british.as it was the army came home having done little waiting years for kitchener to avenge gordon at omdurman.for the poor zulus once they were the aggressors it allowed occupation cetewayos deposement and the end of independence.to be fair this would given time probably have happened anyway but maybe less blood involved.

@Bigmojojo

Жыл бұрын

@mikekemp9877 wow thanks for the info. Do you know what happened to the Major when everyone found out they were not only alive but had won

Ironically, Bromhead was right - their own levies did run at the first sign of trouble,

@alanbeaumont4848

Жыл бұрын

They ran when they realized the ammunition wasn't coming up and they knew how good the Zulus were hand to hand.

@keithhallam1155

Жыл бұрын

The NNC Officers and NCO's (the whites) also ran away before the Zulus arrived at Rorkes Drift. The behaviour of Major Spalding (the commander at Rorkes Drift) also appears questionable, going to "fetch reinforcements" and leaving Bromhead & Chard at the post.

@caractacusbrittania7442

5 ай бұрын

The nnc ran away at eshowe, And ran away at isandlwhana, I do not judge them for that, but, those that remained at rorkes drift were white, and the vast majority at isandlwhana white, The reputation among those on the campaign had some truth in it, However distasteful given today's climate, That may be.

Damn. That’s some smooth video play for this epic movie.

I love this film I do hope to get a copy someday before dvds go extinct.

Spectacular Countryside too.

I would love to have the Zulu chants translated into English.

Great scene, awesome movie!

good show

I'm not a fan of the soap opera effect. But wow this stands out especially looking at the detail of the grass

Love the British movies of this era.

Gotta say, seeing this in 1080p60 looks soo amazing.

@heribertfassbender5759

Жыл бұрын

60fps looks like a soap opera

@christoph404

Жыл бұрын

@@heribertfassbender5759 yeah it has the dreaded soap opera effect, the cinematic quality has been drained right out of it, I find that effect unwatchable to be honest, even for a short clip.

Wow 720p and the picture quality is fucking amazing!

Great movie

@maulrat588

Жыл бұрын

Quite possibly the best war movie ever made. It has all the elements.

Interesting how Commissary Dalton was initially portrayed in the film. Dalton won a Victoria Cross and was the real hero and brains behind the defense at Rorke's Drift.

@redcardinalist

5 ай бұрын

At the end of the film they tell that he got the Victoria Cross, as you'd know if you'd actually watched it.... As for him being "and was the real hero and brains behind the defense at Rorke's Drift." that seems very unlikely given he had no miltary training.Please quote your sources for this statement - "the real hero and brains behind the defense at Rorke's Drift." No history at all as far as I'm aware makes this claim

the HD visual on this seems to have the dreaded " soap opera tv" effect, the cinematic quality seems to be missing. Great clip but not quite how I remember it.

Gotta love the reply from Bromhead to Ardendorf, ...its your country... isnt it ?

It's great how they mix soup and isanddanwa.

Excellent script positively crackles with 60s liberalism - favourite line? Hook: "What am I doing here? Did I ever see a Zulu walk down the King's Road?"

I could watch Zulu and Zulu Dawn and Zulu clips all day, as long as they dont include de Witt and his daughter at Rorkes Drift. (that was a waste of good film stock)

Cowardly blacks? Who do you think is about to wipe out your command? I love it 🤣🤣 the script was perfect

@freddy8479

Жыл бұрын

TYPICAL WHITE SUPREMACIST ARROGANCE

@eaglesfan226

Жыл бұрын

“They died on your side, didn’t they?”

for a movie made in the worst time of the apartheid era it really is a wonder how they never indulge in racism. it would have been far too easy to depict the Zulus as ravaging savages and the british as the stout and heroic defenders... but instead every insult is corrected, the Zulu are shown as warriors, not animals, and in the end the british soldiers are dirtied and show fear and panic. thats what makes a movie really great to watch!!

@TheArgieH

Жыл бұрын

If they had panicked they would all be dead.

@johnsmith-de3tl

Жыл бұрын

the britsh army dont panic, it's to much paperwork.

@lyndoncmp5751

Жыл бұрын

Britain kicked South Africa out of the Commonwealth due to its Apartheid practices.

@simonbagel

Жыл бұрын

And now the Britsh are being kicked out of their own country.

@koalabrownie

Жыл бұрын

@@simonbagel Less than 10% of Britain is a visible minority. Peddle your racist fear mongering elsewhere

I rather fancy it's time to get the hell out of Dodge.

Uk 🇬🇧 getting the message, eh! Now act and respond, eh!! No open door

Anyone else click on this because they thought that was Elvis in the thumbnail?

60fps doesn't do it.

Was that same cook in Zulu dawn & was killed?

@whiteknightcat

5 ай бұрын

No. The cook was played by Kerry Jordan in this film, and yes, his character died in the film. He was not involved with Zulu Dawn.

Think I'd sooner take on the Zulu, mighty ferocious fighters that they are, than the Grenadier Guards who have gatlings, cannon, mortars, Martini-Henry's and rockets. Not to mention scads of infantry to man and deliver the munitions on target. Also regarding who gave the order to stand their ground. Heir today, toast tomorrow. Just saying.

And during WWI German general von Lettow-Vorbeck stymied a much larger force British and S. African regulars for most of war almost entirely with native “askari” troops. Later he became (in)famous for literally telling Hitler to “f*ck off” in the mid-30s. Apparently after his Africa experience wasn’t on board the “Aryan superiority” train.

These clips always bring the supremacists out. Usually men who've never had a fight, lwt alone faced combat. Armchair warriors.

@Useaname

5 ай бұрын

Shut it

good god the sped up 60fps looks like garbage, just play it as it was released, this looks cheap as shit

@JonWilde2105

5 ай бұрын

Agreed - I don't know why people think making something look like a cheap TV show filmed on an phone is an upgrade.

Gotta love the British. "Let's wear bright red uniforms against lush green hills and see what happens in battle."

@theaveragecube_

Жыл бұрын

Seemed to go pretty well most of the time..

@user-tj5di9kv1u

Жыл бұрын

The purpose of the red was to be seen. It prevented friendly fire. Camouflage / ambush wasn’t really a technique preferred by many of the European armies until WW1. Most battles were fought in open grassland in large numbers so there wouldn’t have been much use in hiding.

@johnl1091

Жыл бұрын

iirc the British at Rorke's Drift had already switched to wearing khaki uniforms.

@user-tj5di9kv1u

Жыл бұрын

@@johnl1091 I don’t think that they had at scale yet. All of the paintings are of primarily red coated soldiers. They was certainly some units that had adopted khaki though.

@jeep146

Жыл бұрын

Many people don't know the real reason the British wore red. Some think it was so if they were shot they not see the wound. In truth the British government was hard up for cash. When they put out bids for material for uniforms one bidder had a oversupply of cloth. You guessed it, it was red. After that they just adopted the color. So it was because at the time it was the cheapest material.

I wouldn’t have wasted the soup. Those soldiers still need to eat. They could’ve doused the fires with water from that nearby river.

The British class system is quite dramatic here. But the capitalists changed it with money being the most respected score card as we see with Russian and Middle Eastern oligarchs who have corrupted the GOP even more than the corporate capital managers.

@darthracer777

5 ай бұрын

....and the democrats are the biggest crony capitalists today.

The great mistake is Dalton. He had been an officer. He played a much more important role in the planning and organisation of the defence

@kascally

Жыл бұрын

Hopeless portrayal. As a complete nonce. Whereas Dalton more or less organised the defence.

@keithhallam1155

Жыл бұрын

Mr Dalton had been in the 85th Foot / Shropshire regiment for many years, and was a sergeant when he transferred from the Infantry to Commissariat. He was a colour sergeant by 1879. He was badly wounded in the action, then discharged on half pay, after being awarded his VC. (Injured ex-servicees treated poorly? This sounds familiar.)

@TheArgieH

Жыл бұрын

Another injustice was that Hook was in fact an excellent soldier of fine character and good conduct, definitely not as portrayed in the film. His surviving relatives walked out of the showing in disgust. Still a great film though.

@RealNigelThornberry

Жыл бұрын

From what I gather he came up with the idea to build the mealie bag walls and where exactly the perimeters should go. Chard usually gets the credit for that.

@whiteknightcat

5 ай бұрын

@@TheArgieH The real Pvt Hook was actually a teatotaller, and either the member of, or a founder of, a temperance organization.

The boar fella ran off before the battle started.

@DanBeech-ht7sw

5 ай бұрын

is that not the Afrikaans man who says, right at the end "They're not taunting you, they're praising you"?

@anthonywest2989

5 ай бұрын

@@DanBeech-ht7sw It certainly is.

@DanBeech-ht7sw

5 ай бұрын

@@anthonywest2989 couldn't have run off then?

@anthonywest2989

5 ай бұрын

@@DanBeech-ht7sw The film is based on fact, but not the whole truth, it's a film, its an interpretation of what happened. The real Adendorff ran off along with others, that is a fact of what happened in real life.

@DanBeech-ht7sw

5 ай бұрын

@@anthonywest2989 ahhh sorry, I didn't realise