The old Defender just looks so much more in its element!

@craig__07

3 жыл бұрын

What I said in another video

@120fornovo

3 жыл бұрын

the new one is a SUV stuffed with electronics, i want to see when it fail, what happens

@Sam-gf6ue

3 жыл бұрын

And I guarantee when the next defender comes out (if there will be one). This one will look more in its element.

@stinger_3454

2 жыл бұрын

The old defender looks and feels like it can take on some extreme situation

@Huffly123

2 жыл бұрын

Thats right

good...now do that against the Fiat Panda 4X4, and then we talk again

@paolamalato8661

3 жыл бұрын

you've got a point

@eddiespall5651

3 жыл бұрын

or a jimny lmao

@VanekLarson

3 жыл бұрын

Getting famous off of comments day 144, so I can live the dream, live life to the fullest .🤙🤙🤙

@AntonioPalmucci

3 жыл бұрын

@Aaron Lhungdim ahahahah so happy about this comment!!!! i like this channel 🥰😂

@Luckyjo21

3 жыл бұрын

do ittttttttttt

To be honest, off-roading is not about speed but it’s about how far it can go. Old defender is gonna last wayyyy longer then this new one. Especially as water and electricity don’t mix and if you go through floods with snorkel it’s easy with old. Edit: Old defender is easy fix as it has bearly any electronic stuff so it can be fixed with a hammer, spanner and screwdriver!

@ThatIcelandicDude

2 жыл бұрын

Plus let's not forget the most crucial element. The old defender looks like an actual off-roader.

@mhanke1

2 жыл бұрын

You mean oldoldold Defender. Already due to current norms, the lst "old" Defender had enough electronics to make a well-equipped repair shop mandatory.

@duncanmcewan1049

Жыл бұрын

@Bass Corp I am fairly certain the "full" Range Rover can wade up to 900mm as well. OK, the question is - who would take a £90k+ car off-roading / through a deep river, but that's another story :p

@mercobenz10

Жыл бұрын

Really ...yeah the old defender is known for its reability hh

@carguy3292

Жыл бұрын

Bruh did you not know the new defender has a wading depth ( how deep it can go on water) is 0.9 meters but the old one only have 0.5 meters and the new one has a higher snorkel and it's electronics is water proof

Might have been fairer to compare against the short wheelbase old Defender. Also, would have liked to see at least one water obstacle, especially with that snorkel on the old Defender - all of those electronic advantages could evaporate in an instant!

@chimei-tekinaneko8318

Жыл бұрын

Yep, modern cars in general have way too much computer bs in them.. even as a tech guy, i would always prefer the old boy, cuz they are built simple and strong.

Considering the age difference and the price, the old defender still does well

@jamesmitchell6231

2 жыл бұрын

The old defender is worth more then the new

@yattonjunction

2 жыл бұрын

Come back after 100000 miles and tell us which one broke down most!

@johnlatsch9720

2 жыл бұрын

If they would take the anti roll bar off the old one and let the axles flex it would do a lot better. Or unplug the wheel sensor on the new one. That would shut off the traction control and hill decent.

@brycepaoli8531

2 жыл бұрын

@@johnlatsch9720 My Landy doesn't even have anti roll bars (Its a 1988). Kind of sketchy when going around those roundabouts... Almost as if I'm in a rollercoaster! an old... rickety rollercoaster...

@LevenZ69

Жыл бұрын

@@brycepaoli8531 that's surely scary lol

40+ years difference in technology and let's be honest most people would still prefer the old one

@soe_tv

3 жыл бұрын

This man is spitting fax

@modelreviews3705

3 жыл бұрын

It's true I prefer the old defender 😁😊

@thecremeegg

3 жыл бұрын

No chance, they're HORRIBLE cars for anything other than going over rough ground. They're cramped inside, handle awfully and are incredibly slow. I don't get the love for them

@soe_tv

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecremeegg if u love Defender u don't care about those things 😒

@lawsonjones2285

3 жыл бұрын

@@thecremeegg you are right.... But people still love them

The Old Defender has solid axles, manual transfer case shift, little computer input, and is built to last. Not only that but it looks a hell of a lot better. I'll take the ol' Defender any time of the day.

I think the old Defender would fair better in long-term ownership and possible modifications. The new Defender has lots of electronics that could be expensive to fix later on.

@chimei-tekinaneko8318

Жыл бұрын

there is way too much electronics, they just break at some random point and give ya a headache combined with a large repair bill.. modern cars in general should start to chill out with all the electronic crap and go back to just being "simple but sturdy".

Let’s be honest, people respect the old Defender more.

@antoinewilliams129

3 жыл бұрын

Well ofc. It’s been proven. The new one has to go through the ringer in order to be respected.

@boilet-masclecolin156

3 жыл бұрын

I will never sell mine❤

@dularar8934

3 жыл бұрын

new one is a fat panda

@peterfuchs187

3 жыл бұрын

@@dularar8934 lol

@nathanwabre

3 жыл бұрын

You respect it because the farmer that’s driving it

Still love the old one, a true icon.

@rippster8825

3 жыл бұрын

New one look odd for me atleast

@PGee.

3 жыл бұрын

Both are🤮

@MorningNapalm

3 жыл бұрын

Best comment so far, not about better or worse, just about how much we like them. I love them both, but unless I was starting an off-roading company in some remote part, I would take the new one. I just hope that they can get it reliable.

@ashleygentle6501

3 жыл бұрын

I feel the same about the ex-wife.

@jackbirchley4609

2 жыл бұрын

@@MorningNapalm With all those electronics, find an old defender with little or no electronics.

99.9% of owners of that new Defender will sadly never utilize all those cool off-road features it has. Being able to set the speed for going downhill is pretty cool, never seen that before.

@yorrickcorreia1655

Жыл бұрын

The Toyota Land Cruiser is even better

@MrLince-hr4of

Жыл бұрын

So sk8punk318 knows all 100% of the owners of the new Defender and ask them ALL personaly ! great work 👍👍👍

@Car-crazy

Жыл бұрын

@@yorrickcorreia1655 I would agree. I actually do own a Brand New Land cruiser. It is a great rig

Mat: worried about damaging the car Also mat: resting feet on the dash and seat 🤡

20 years from now the old Defender is still running, while the new one is crushed and recycled with failed electronics and no factory support.

@AaaaandAction

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my thoughts. Old series especially 1,2,3, etc is owner fixable in the field, this new SUV is just a competent modern car needing serious support network. You’re not comparing like for like and the target audience/buyer are completely different types.

@catalinstavaru5355

3 жыл бұрын

Steam locomotives are still running today :)

@GenaF

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly my view. They won't sell well second hand because nobody will want to touch all the electrics whereas LR owners traditionally have always worked on theirs so the new ones will sell to the country gents/gamekeepers/caravan pullers but those who spend their weekend doing mud runs at various courses around the U.K. the true LR enthusiasts who love going off-road, they may look at the new ones but they'll never get rid of their OG Defenders for a new 1.

@koitorob

3 жыл бұрын

@@catalinstavaru5355 Only a few...

@rajivrsimon

3 жыл бұрын

The future... foretold 😂

Personal opinion: the old one looks way better! Can't shake the impression new one is just baby Range Rover...

@VeyronBD

3 жыл бұрын

It is, same platform and chassis, suspension etc just a new body and some specific changes.

@GBIGBIGBI

3 жыл бұрын

totally agree, the old looks so much cooler!

@BikingChap

3 жыл бұрын

Of course. It’s only similarity to the old one is it’s name. If I wanted to go off road I’d rather have a new Jimny than the new defender. 🤷‍♂️

@raewambia33

3 жыл бұрын

Truee

@antontudor5724

3 жыл бұрын

True !

With front and rear diff locks fitted (which are common accessories), the ‘old’ land rover would not have had ended up stuck with‘cross axels’!

@eazy-EPB2020

Жыл бұрын

I thought the same

@carguy3292

Жыл бұрын

Well land Rover didn't want that in the old one and fitted it to the new one to make it better than the old

@Solothurnezos

5 ай бұрын

Ja but has traction control and the guy has it off. Should be on to see what can do cause TC helps the vehicle extremely well!

Land Rover turned the Defender into a Discovery, the Discovery into a Range Rover and the Range Rover into a Bentley.

@cosy1914

10 ай бұрын

The new defender is a better off road vehicle than the disco. Full stop.

Take both cars to africa for a year and give them a set of tools in case of repairs. Lets see which survives.

@khailils446

3 жыл бұрын

Very odd use case for the normal consumer

@Shane-zx4ps

3 жыл бұрын

Why not just buy a Toyota Land Cruiser and leave your tool at home ad you won’t need them

@worldwidehiphop8843

3 жыл бұрын

How many people take their defender to africa? Answer: no fucking one. Worst they ll see is a muddy field somewehre in europe and thats it. Like 99.9 % of all "off roaders

@viralbarot3203

3 жыл бұрын

@@worldwidehiphop8843 Most of our safaris here in Botswana use the land rover defender. So I am not sure what your talking about.

@viralbarot3203

3 жыл бұрын

@@ragingmill8088 I am from Botswana and most of the safaris here use defenders. The defender even managed to cross an empty river which was deep and full of sand.

I'd still choose the old defender any day, anywhere.

@modelfarmer8124

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@Kassiusday

3 жыл бұрын

Yea of course The short version of the old is so cute too !!! But which one is the more comfy ?

@gromo2955

3 жыл бұрын

same

@sithmijayawardana9262

3 жыл бұрын

This man is not like to old defender

@jackalmuiz

3 жыл бұрын

@@Kassiusday with the interior done properly, the old defender is still my preferable choice for comfort. It's both practical and comfy.

It might be more appropriate and informative to see how far each one travels from new before (expensively) breaking down.

@sjowners

2 жыл бұрын

They're both shit let's be honest. The difference is the old one can be fixed.

@codemy666

Жыл бұрын

considering one has warranty then it won't be a fair comparison :')

I own a ‘96 110 and I can tell you here, it’s an absolute joy. It is so far from perfect, which makes it even more perfect. I call mine “Herman”. I personally don’t like the new defender, they’ve made a proper off roader into a family SUV, full of electricity when landys were always supposed to be basic. It also shows how much bigger cars have got over the years.

Was anybody else angry when he kept his dirty foot on the seats and on the dashboard.

@harryluteshi7487

3 жыл бұрын

Well we would if it was the old one, who cares about the new one

@sinuslebastian6366

3 жыл бұрын

Aditya kumar +1

@ensoelmeri3288

3 жыл бұрын

@@harryluteshi7487 agreed the new one can go to hell

@Pia-ho9dm

3 жыл бұрын

@@ensoelmeri3288 what??

@Pia-ho9dm

3 жыл бұрын

🤯

"Land Rover turning owners into mechanics since 1948"

@oakleydoakley4225

3 жыл бұрын

So true👌

@aaronadkins8234

3 жыл бұрын

Oh, very clever. Never heard that one before...

@atarvhegde5210

3 жыл бұрын

Nice one. But are the old ones also unreliable?

@dagger8355

3 жыл бұрын

@@atarvhegde5210 especially the old ones

@atarvhegde5210

3 жыл бұрын

@@dagger8355 Thanks for the info

Well done on basing the review on only about 1/3 of the reasons we own/use (original) Defenders/Series. The rest of the time we want to know that they are cheap and easy to fix, with quick to bolt on/off parts and plenty of access. We then also want to know that we can chuck stuff in it like hay, feed bags, and mucky kit, and be happy rinsing it out with a hose rather than have to do a full valet. And then, last bit definitely not least: ANYONE who’s owned a modern Land Rover know that their electrics and computers are APPALLING! All those screens and soft touch buttons are great to look at, but I don’t know a single owner of a modern era Range Rover or Discovery who has had to return their car to the dealer multiple times for such issues. I loved my Rangey when it worked, but it averaged 3 or 4 service visits a year for electrics/loom etc. So, for the job my 90 does, you’ll never catch me buying one of the new versions.

For real remote offroad Expedition the old one is the Choice, the older the better, the less electronics the better

the old Defender is still as cool as Steve Mqueen.

@indrabendi3300

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, i prefer the old one

@georgedowns4034

3 жыл бұрын

old defender is cool yeh but nothing on the coolness (if that's a word) of the latest one in my opinion

@Zahoodo

3 жыл бұрын

The new defender is the same as discovery it has no links to the old beast

@ArcherTheGolfer

3 жыл бұрын

Nothing cool about driving a out of date old tin can thats so uncomfortable to drive 😂

@georgedowns4034

3 жыл бұрын

@@Zahoodo yes cus it looks sooooo different to the old one, is rubbish off-road & only got 2 seats. The new one is much better in my opinion

the old one is just a lot cooler isn’t it...

@Dilbagh0210

3 жыл бұрын

100%

@AaxXxeE54

3 жыл бұрын

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@Mika-85

3 жыл бұрын

And if they would have turned the bloody diff lock on it would also have gotten through those holes with ease. It's not a fair comparison. If they want to compare it the way people drive it they should have used diff lock on the old one. Anyone that does serious off-roading with an old Defender will have Diff lock on. Same as with the new one people will probably not turn diff lock on. This comparison is just so far from real world scenarios.. To me it seems Landrover sponsored the video to get more sales on the new Defender.

@EngMecanica-wd9ed

3 жыл бұрын

No. Its a garbage

@georgedowns4034

3 жыл бұрын

Nope- I much prefer the new one

Old one is still the father and king. Because at this age competition like this is just 🔥🔥

Love your videos - so much fun. And love your accent - feels like doing holiday in UK ;-). Thanks a lot! Liked!

The new defender takes all the fun out of off roading The whole point of off roading is to have fun and hone your skills

Don't get me wrong. The new defender is amazing at off road, but 1 thing that everyone keeps missing is parts. My 110 TD5 defender has had numerous new parts on it, and they're cheap as chips, AND i can fix it in my driveway. Defenders are utilitarian, the new defender is (in my opinion) a more off road orientated Range Rover

@atarvhegde5210

3 жыл бұрын

Well , due to the luxury their other SUVs provide , Land Rover has become more of a luxury car than off road car. Don't get me wrong though, all I am saying is people expect Land Rovers to the luxurious and comfy , not utilitarian. The situation was different back in the 70s and 80s though

@1979jon

3 жыл бұрын

Reshelled disco sport

@agilchrist73

3 жыл бұрын

Form or function - a Defender was always function first. If this bloke could drive off-road, the old defender would be towing out the new one from a ditch

@magnustan841

3 жыл бұрын

Can you imagine if they brought out a 2020 car and it looked, felt and drove like a military vehicle? No one would buy it... The new Defender has to offer a sprinkling of premium, while still being roughty-toughly. I think they’ve done an a decent job, I wished it just it looked a touch more like it’s predecessors, just a little. The only thing that’s familiar is the rear...

@Mr.k3n

3 жыл бұрын

@@magnustan841 a person in the comments who actually has common sense!!! Fuck my life!!!

Have you tried doing a multiple line pull at the back so it’s a 3-4 line, like a block and tackle would be ?

i love the looks of the new defender for sure, but the old one looks equally great have been i serious admirer of the 110 defender, i dont actually mind owning both for different reasons but if i have to choose one i will go with the old

Moral of the story - if you can't drive don't buy the old one.

@MarkWright1963

3 жыл бұрын

Totally agree

@trocpoc7563

3 жыл бұрын

They just tried to look the old one like a rubbish. I think the gap is a bit shorter.

@lcsighteken2248

3 жыл бұрын

​@@trocpoc7563 The old one could have made that final course. I have driven sedans off-road in more difficult terrain. I don't agree with the outcome of this video. To get a better right turn radius, he could have moved to the left a bit to create enough space for the turn. I think these guys could have done a better job with the old defender.

@leegroenewald6045

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed! LOL...LR is working OVERTIME to convince people that this is a better 4x4 and for whats its worth, YES, it can be. Especially with someone who doesn't know how to drive off-road. With all the driver aids etc, helping one get unstuck or preventing one from getting...the new Defender has its merits... given. If you're a clueless weekend warrior...go nuts! But that is the last thing you need when out in the middle of nowhere! I can do the same with a Range Rover...doesn't make it a good choice for the purpose no matter how awesome it looks splashing through the water. First thing would be... don't take anything you can't fix yourself on the fly. (That includes one's vehicle and the first mistake with the new Defender). Second... If you can't drive, don't go! Ability, reliability and adaptability is crucial when far from help.( Anyone who thinks they will tackle Africa in this thing is going to be sorely mistaken. There are only two vehicles you'll find out here in the sun and in the outback of Australia etc... Land Cruisers, (the odd Patrol)and old Defenders... anything else is a death wish other side of a weekend away). No guesses who's gonna need a tow or a lift to the nearest village. If it'll let you get towed..wont be your choice either way.

@joshuasimonangra9981

3 жыл бұрын

This is just Bloody Lousy Driving.

Fair play: lets wait 40 years to find out how good is the new "defender"

@indlovubill7100

3 жыл бұрын

In 40 years the 'new' Defender will have been recycled into beer cans.

@josefastboats5874

3 жыл бұрын

@@indlovubill7100 And people will still be riding in and restoring the old Land Rovers LOL

@Brato1986

2 жыл бұрын

All the electronics will fail in some years, good when you are out in the bush.

@timrains5011

2 жыл бұрын

40?! Try 70.

@rscosworthfan

2 жыл бұрын

@@NJ-pt3oz means old model not old age

I still prefer the old one, it looks way better even if it isn't as capable,. It will also be more reliable. The old defender looks like it's ready to go off road, which is of course is. The new one looks more like a mother's shopping cart ready to pick up the groceries.

The defender is my dream car, wasn't sure about the new design and seeing them side by side, Id still take the old one. Its a true landrover.

The old Defender looks like the James Bond baddies arrive, the new one looks like a soccer mom's new Dacia..

@mulidubicus1473

3 жыл бұрын

I thought it u said it

@PrezCow

3 жыл бұрын

You hit the nail on the head with that one

Spoiler: the Defender won in all of the challenges.

@atarvhegde5210

3 жыл бұрын

New defender: I have got more tech to help off roading be safe and easy Meanwhile Richard Hammond: Still manages to crash it

@judeairy8485

3 жыл бұрын

“Hammond you idiot”

@generalkweizr7091

3 жыл бұрын

which defender?

@atarvhegde5210

3 жыл бұрын

@@judeairy8485 HAMMOND!! YOU BLITHERING IDIOT!!!

@MCA_from_CPT

3 жыл бұрын

CLARKSON!!!

There are tricks to get through cross axel situations in a open diff. One being applying brake and acceleration at the same time. Transfers more power to the wheels that have traction. Basically manual traction control. Which truck is better depends how and where you plan to take it. Old defender hands down for remote locations. Around town and some off road new model. Personally classic defender for me.

Thing is, what modifications can you make to the new defender? I kinda wanna install a ham radio to an old one and I dont see place to put it in the back of the new. Just worried about it, especially with a budget

I’d still have the old defender it just looks incredible

@EleanorPeterson

2 жыл бұрын

Yep. There's also the benefit of simplicity. In an out-of-the way place like the Australian outback or the African bundu, I'd feel a lot more confident trying to keep an old Defender running (with a hammer and spanner) than trying to cope with the new one and a blinking light on the dashboard above the diagnostic port: 'Unspecified System Failure: Return to Main Dealer For Encryption Code Reset.' Huh? 🤔

The new defender beats the old one in every category, except for the most important one - Desirability.

@johnny_bravo9990

3 жыл бұрын

🙌

@tonybaksh7597

3 жыл бұрын

And durability. If you drive across sahara in the new defender it won't stand a chance . Even tho the old one is 20+ years I still respect it

@shawtravis7384

3 жыл бұрын

not quite - axle articulation is crucial off-road, not displayed by the new def

@MarkoCoomo

3 жыл бұрын

Desirability .. modability, coolness, price, accessory range, roadside fixability, less junk to go wrong, community ...

@baller7387

3 жыл бұрын

@Seamus McShamish I didn't see anything make believe about the tests in this video. You sound like a salty fanboy for the old Defender who can't accept that the new one is better in virtually every way off-road. If you can't believe that, feel free to watch the video again for empirical evidence that this is the case, lol

I have a 2009 Defender...it has traction control! It has been driven in every state and territory in Australia on and off-road. Love it but I will be buying the new one.

Thanks for ur good channel can u make program on old land rover 110 vs latest if its possible cuz i am a big fan of defender 110

it's incredible the new Defender managed to do half an hour of off-road driving without a check engine light popping out on the dashboard!

@danhopkinson2811

3 жыл бұрын

i wouldn't call that offroading

@Clavinovaman

3 жыл бұрын

Really? Any road test -from anywhere in the world - so far suggest that there are issues with the engine lights popping out on the dashboard?

@josephndazi5863

3 жыл бұрын

The TFL defender had a check emgine light after offroading. The new thing broke down on the first day out!!!

@loganholmberg2295

3 жыл бұрын

Check out TFLnow to see how their new Defender is going in Colorado....you won't be surprised.😅

@danhopkinson2811

3 жыл бұрын

My mate recently had one at a hot air balloon show. The plastic cheq plate thats supposed to support a person standing on it cracked when he put his body weight on his hand, he snapped the plastic trim off the roof where a roof rack mounts, snapped a bunch of interior parts and clips, broke the ash tray, pushed on the rear lights and heard plastic cracking......he said the whole thing is made of cheap brittle plastic. Its all creaky.

an old Defender drove me across the Sahara in Mauritania and did things that should’ve been impossible when I was young. There’ll never be anything greater imo

@taurauross9576

3 жыл бұрын

Wow!!..I envy that experience.. I'm keeping my old trusty defender.

@MD-uu5nt

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... A TOYOTA is going to be much better in almost every area.

@chrisdooley6468

3 жыл бұрын

@@MD-uu5nt I agree but my experience was with Defenders the year I was there and the year I was in Mali. Toyota’s were all over too but that Defender we used never broke down that I remember and that was two decades ago lol. But the engineering abilities of the locals to repair stuff efficiently without a steady influx of parts was amazing.

It's nice to have something that can go anywhere with ease, but there's no thrill in that! Part of the enjoyment of off-roading is the adrenaline of "am I gonna make it through this obstacle", and the stories that come from failure or success. There's also the 'skills' vs 'computer' part of the enjoyment too.

The old Defender is actually a really sturdy and solid car

Considering there's around 70 years between the designs, it shows how incredible the old LandRover/Defender actually (still) is.

@RandallSlick

3 жыл бұрын

It was average 70 years ago, and slowly declined with age. That's what happens when you have a company unwilling to spend any money on R&D.

@AlexNijv

2 жыл бұрын

and way cooler

@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20

2 жыл бұрын

The old is 70 years old design only in looks. It has been technically completely revamped at least once and minor updates done countless times. Basically / technically / underpinnings wise the old defender is the is same car as Range Rover Classic, with a modern engine.

@wopmf4345FxFDxdGaa20

2 жыл бұрын

For example suspension, which is very important in off foading, was originally leaf springs based. After about 80's it has been coil springs and supported like in the first RR. Engines are modern ford, and land rover, etc.

Anyway this looked like a show trying to promote the new defender by making the old defender look bad on purpose.

@De_Real_Dude

3 жыл бұрын

It was so obvious... They actually stuck an automatic driver in a manual car

@4wdflying

3 жыл бұрын

Agree, you could easily devise some tests the old one could win involving more ground clearance and tow a trailer with at lest two tons on it - and some sheep in the back. Then the price difference.. not going to appeal to the old core market who want a working vehicle to throw mucky stuff in the back.

@trocpoc7563

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@leegroenewald6045

3 жыл бұрын

The driver aids are brilliant in a pinch when off-roading, but far from necessary when over-landing through Africa. It just gives more clueless wannabe's the motivation they need to get themselves and others into a lot of trouble.

@amateurtorque6709

3 жыл бұрын

@Martin Svensson does having the centre diff locked not mean that all four wheels should rotate at the same speed?

The old defender is still a good-looking car. I like it a lot, however; the new defender is amazing. I wasn't sure if there was one pilot of each vehicle, or did you drive both? I am just mesmerized by the power of the new defender and even more surprised of its price.

Come on, on uphill and the last one the old car should've had both diffs locked, that's why they're there. Still the new one is very capable and honestly, off-road ground clearance and A/D/B angles are far superior to crossover angle. And also anyone experienced will agree that the tires make the biggest difference.

@junrenong8576

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. And If the electronics in Land Rovers are reliable enough the new one should be a game changer ......... but its a Land Rover. If I buy one with the intention to do mud off-roading, I will visit a tire shop to bought a new set of off road tires ..... at least for the new Defender.

If Mat could actually drive the results may be different for the older vehicle. Plus, I think Mat is slightly bias towards the newer vehicle. Just saying ...

@jerome4995

3 жыл бұрын

His driving is a joke! And his bias was obvious.

@sic22l

3 жыл бұрын

Old one wasn't allowed to lock the diffs.

@jhndijkman

3 жыл бұрын

Mat is a joke. Errrrr, I mean plonker! Just saying. 😋

@jerome4995

3 жыл бұрын

@mrmarcus ! I can see where new technology can definitely help in traction and sensing wheel spin. However, when in a not very technical and you are in low range?? That sealed it.

@youtoob8166

3 жыл бұрын

If he didn't make the new defender look good, landrover wouldn't have paid him

I had to stop halfway through. I live in the Amazon Forest, 70 to 95% of humidity, you don't want that electronic to fail big time in those harsh conditions when you're 200kms of muddy roads away from the first mechanic. The og Defender was meant to overcome that. The soul is lost.

It might win today with all the electronics in perfect conditions, but as a mechanic friend was use to say : "The Def might not be the best 4 wheel drive in the world, but if something happens in the middle of a forest or a desert with a hammer, a screwdriver and a pair of pliers you can make a old DEF continue his journey, do the same with a new generation electronic 4x4 if you can"

Difference is that the old one will keep on going and the new one will break down after a couple of months 😂

When your new one breaks down, you tow it with an old one.

@markone4191

3 жыл бұрын

awesome!

@naufalkeandrerizqulloh3343

3 жыл бұрын

when the old one breaks down, you tow it with a toyota land cruiser

@someinternetdude4159

3 жыл бұрын

@@naufalkeandrerizqulloh3343 I also like the old Land Cruisers. Good cars.

@farvacarramrod3672

3 жыл бұрын

That aint no shit. TFL tested one... they have been through 3 now all of them breaking down with electrical issues.

@mattyp80

3 жыл бұрын

This is the subject skirted over by this review: when you do get a breakdown with the old one in the middle of nowhere, you can get out and fix it there without having to have a degree in electrical engineering! An addendum: spoke with my brother this weekend and were discussing this very topic (he works for Jag/LR) and apparently the testing for reliability is incredibly rigorous, finding and solving any issues it might have had, making it as reliable as the old one! That said, if something does happen it will still be more difficult to fix in the middle of nowhere!

Falls test , next time arrange somebody who's got terrain driving skills.

@georhodiumgeo9827

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah, this driver reminds me of the guy that gets stuck in a blanket on the Snuggie commercial, LOL I love it. I don’t know anybody that wheels any Defender with the sway bars still engaged. I’m a Defender owner and I can tell you any time you mention wheeling there is a 20min conversation about wheel articulation headed your way. I just hope they got paid for this.

@joshw8180

3 жыл бұрын

It would only be fair if they got some people that know what they are doing

@ivanidea1190

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed...

@ryanwaugh1

3 жыл бұрын

He was so biased. Even the wheel travel thing he tried to make it a draw 🤣

@EnglishwithMrSam

3 жыл бұрын

Which means, the old one takes a lot of skills and sweat of the driver whereas the new one does the job itself. Am I wrong?

Matt considered old one like as it was an Asian vehicle 😂

I bet the old Defender has and time and again proven what the new Defender doesn’t have…RELIABILITY!

The old Land Rover was 10 seconds slower cos Matt was the driver.

@maus_boyv6842

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly

@awakhiwemaxmpofu1323

3 жыл бұрын

I agree.. The Old Defender is and always will be The best

@duncMAC150

3 жыл бұрын

the car with the biggest turning circle lost its that simple and the old defender has bigger turning circle.

Aesthetics: New Defender - 0 points. Old Defender - 10 points.

@georgedowns4034

3 жыл бұрын

Rly? Why? (Just curious)

@georhodiumgeo9827

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah he can have all of the points with the new one. Why are all the girls hanging around the old one?

@heathm5151

3 жыл бұрын

@@georgedowns4034 My eyes, they burn.

@heathm5151

3 жыл бұрын

@@georhodiumgeo9827 Because they are most often driven my handsome men, women or Vera.

@georhodiumgeo9827

3 жыл бұрын

@@heathm5151 I own a 94 D90 so you have made me smile so big you can see all 3 of my teeth. LOL

This challenge but with ROCK CRAWLING.

second test was unfair as the modern one has grooves in its downhill slowing it down, older had a normal decline down and less problems going down.

Mat is like: It's not my car who cares if it breaks.

Be interesting to see how many new defenders are still on the road in 20yrs time. Because most of the old ones will be.

Is it only me or is EVERYONE crossing fingers for the new Defender to last and save Land Rover's reputation of sinking into the sands. The Old Defender was magic. *Let us hope this new one isn't like the other Rovers*

Respect to the yougin!!👍 Purist! Bury me in my 1987 90!!😁

the real defender is obviously better off road in the real world!

@aydenebert277

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Kevin Talbot I watch your videos!

@MarcusAntonius415

3 жыл бұрын

Umm no. Did you watch the video?

@eokwuanga

3 жыл бұрын

As opposed to the simulation it was driven in in this video?

@iqbalali5678

3 жыл бұрын

Tyres make a BIG difference

@Scarlet_Soul

3 жыл бұрын

For off-roading you've got to expect the occasional knock which would you prefer to take off road

Demonstrating that the driver who can't drive looses.

@matthewp9015

3 жыл бұрын

I think what it shows is that the new Defender can still perform better than the old model without needing to be driven by an expert.

@JHsadler

3 жыл бұрын

@@matthewp9015 instead, it requires on complex electronics, which is failing on brand new Defenders already, let alone ageing ones. Traction control is useless when it stops working, which it will.

@ensoelmeri3288

3 жыл бұрын

agreed

@fabianm2819

3 жыл бұрын

exactly. I've had my licence literally a year and my clutch control is better than his. he's purposefully driving like a tool

@ensoelmeri3288

3 жыл бұрын

@@fabianm2819 I have only drive like 10 times and my clutch control is better then him too 😂

Here is a suggestion see which defender out of the old one or the new defender is better at controlling a trailer on the roads or off road or reversing into a carpark

You did a comparison test with the defender against the Gwagon and wrangler. In those tests you also took the defender up that little side track instead of the main hill that the other vehicles took. Did land rover tell you to use that side track (Both times)? :O

I'd still take the old one against the new one, all day long. Its instantly recognisable, quintessentially British and the best 4 x4 , not by far, but ever. In my opinion of course. Everyone stay safe.

That's not a proper offroad test. Offroading is about passing obstacles, not a race. Take them to mud, water and rocks and then we'll see.

@phillipjswanepoel8044

3 жыл бұрын

And then stacked for new. 1) need to run visa versa also. 2) new some slots, clearly not as smooth as old's road. 3) know turning circle, so make sure tree circle need to be small to allow new to win. 4) 5)................

@gc2234

3 жыл бұрын

Here you go then... kzread.info/dash/bejne/fn6o28StgKbNg9I.html

@miguelcvidal

3 жыл бұрын

@@gc2234 much better but I'm expecting a harder test.

considering all the electronical helpers and sensors and double the HP, the old one still might be the one I would choose to drive through the jungle:D it just is more reliable. since we all know how reliable it is.

Mat doing his best Total Recall impression driving round the tree.

The new defender is school run junk. Old defender every time.

@garthrichert5256

3 жыл бұрын

You have found the truth.

@killianhaugh3819

3 жыл бұрын

Take off your nostalgia glasses and realise that its evolution and the defender needed it

@nochops1781

3 жыл бұрын

@@killianhaugh3819 The defender is supposed to be farm utility vehicle, update it by all means. The new model is just a grocery getter and there are already dozens of those available so what's the point of producing another.

@marciliojunior4919

3 жыл бұрын

@@killianhaugh3819 People Just dont like the look of the new defender and how unreliable it is. If Land Rover pulled the Gwagen card and made the new generation identical to the old one no one would complain

@mariahrusca7347

3 жыл бұрын

Yes! some one understands!

I feel like Matt isn’t rly a car guy anymore, Matt seems happy to have everything automated, assistances everywhere instead of the pure manual!

@gregoryg.402

3 жыл бұрын

there is a time in every mans life...

@platinumguitar

3 жыл бұрын

Define a "car guy"? Is someone not a car guy if he doesn't always want to drive a manual, without any driver aids, or airbags, or a seatbelt, or lane assist, or automatic collision detection? Of course there's a case to be made about automating the tedious things about a car. Especially one that isn't a sports car. Have you driven an old Defender? I have. It's not fun. The gearbox is really not fun. Removing that part of the experience is only a positive. A manual in a car can be fun, sure, not in the least in a manual 911, but with new cars comes tech that undeniable makes old cars look, well, old.

@bendover-bz4bc

3 жыл бұрын

I hate this new generation of car community. Bunch of wannabe petroheads who try to devalue every electronics to gain attention. If you are so fond of old classics then go drive vinage cars on indian roads in peak summer.

When you are finished checking all those menu settings in the new Defender, even for the most basic types of offroading, the old Defender's driver is already sitting at his beer in the living room.

That is the best looking old Defender I've ever seen. That was very well taken care of by a wealthy owner because older Defenders are hard to find parts for...in the US anyway....And they are expensive to maintain. In the US there is only a handful of specialists that can fix and get parts for old Defenders. I imagine it's much easier in the UK.

@enochpowellslibrarian5595

2 жыл бұрын

Parts and servicing are everywhere in the UK .

Let's face it 99% of new defenders sold will never see off the road. So it will be a status symbol on the school run. 99% of owners will have no idea how to engage half of those features.

I would want to see independent professional offroad drivers compare these two for a fair assessment i.e. the new at its best and the old at its best. What we are watching is technically a race where the new defender copied all its capabilities & lessons from the old defender and then automated them with the "gizmos" vs. the old defender with the raw un-automated tech - whose excellence/lack off depends on who is driving the machine.

@germanpenn

2 жыл бұрын

true that. As far as reliability is concerned, I would pick the old defender any time. My old man had one and after 15 years it was working as new. It never once required any kind of repair, aside from basic maintenance (change of filters and such)

@av8rjacq486

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY!

I prefer my old defender, wonder whether he has ever driven one before. Looks like the new defender drives itself. I can also fill mine with horse feed etc and not worry. Cant say the same about the new fancy one with the big price. Mine is 14 years old now so plenty life left in it.

The Old school vs The New school, which one is the best school?? Me: Hmmmm I’m off roadingggg right now.. L🤣L!!!

The problem here is Mat trying to belittle Manuals and not going wild with offroaders.

@BikingChap

3 жыл бұрын

The problem here is that any broadcaster that relies on the manufacturers to supply them with vehicles to test is never going to be in the least bit critical of their latest machine.

@koitorob

3 жыл бұрын

No, the problem here is Mat is a PILLOCK!

@BikingChap

3 жыл бұрын

@@koitorob He’s probably just a normal guy trying to make a buck but everyone thinks they have to be ‘funny’ and ‘entertaining’. Top Gear has a lot to answer for.

Such a shame that the cars weren't on similar tyres. Makes a massive difference

@millomweb

3 жыл бұрын

The older Def looked better shod.

@dbclass4075

3 жыл бұрын

Perhaps those are the default tires that comes with the car? Granted, the old Defender's tires isn't necessarily brand new, but uses the same specification.

@millomweb

3 жыл бұрын

@@dbclass4075 If one is buying a 4x4 for a reason, it's fair to specify tyres for that same purpose too ! I suspect many are bought by the ignorant, perhaps for looks or size rather than capabilities. On that bass, it wouldn't be good for suppliers to default to full off-road tyres !

@dbclass4075

3 жыл бұрын

@@millomweb Exactly. Due to unpredictability of the users many tires of off-roaders tend to be a compromise between street, and off-road.

@millomweb

3 жыл бұрын

@@dbclass4075 I wouldn't even say that ! I see many with pretty much road tyres - they might be a harder rubber or more durable but the tread pattern looks deffo for the road - to cut down road noise. Many of the off-road videos, I see hybrid tyres with perhaps just under a quarter of the vehicles having true off-road tyres. Even then, they're off-road car tyres and not proper off-road tyres which are not designed for on-road use!

Yes sure, how about the Defender that TFL bought? By the way how serviceable is it in places outside of major centers? I live in South Africa and we go to Botswana for a visit with family there. What happens if it has a breakdown there? No thank you I'd prefer an old school off road vehicle.

Unfortunately I couldn't afford to buy either of them, but if I had to make a choice it would be the old Defender.

This is not a test. Go off road, but this time for real.

@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah... this course was pretty specifically designed to fail the old Defender and play to the strengths of the new one. LR probably had a hand in producing the video. There are plenty of videos out already of the new Defender getting stuck or not performing quite as well under real-world offroad conditions.

@Keoponloeu

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg have you driven it yet before you complain?

@Keoponloeu

3 жыл бұрын

@@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg if the old defender is a they say very capable. I’m sure it would go over everything. Just say that you hate how the new one looks.

@ranichso735

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. I have been competing across Salisbury Plain in a Series One against all sorts of such modern all wheel drives and the Series One just keeps going but over the course the electronics never survived.

@Dr.TJ_Eckleburg

3 жыл бұрын

@@Keoponloeu The new one is quite good at what it was built for, but it's just not going to be as good as the original in many ways. Nothing is going to 'go over everything' and both vehicles have strengths and weaknesses. It's just that this particular course was designed to make the new version look good, under the guise of a 'fair' test. And as I said, there are already quite a few videos out already showing the new one having difficulty in places that older Defenders were getting through more easily. And there are some showing the new traction control system doing things an older vehicle couldn't do. But you cannot say that the new Defender is as rugged and versatile as the old one, and those are qualities which count above all to many people. How are all those fancy electronics going to do while fording water up to it's window line? In a few years when the warranty disappears, is your local mechanic going to be able to pull it apart and fix it no problem for reasonable money? And for that matter, what if you need to repair something in the field? Are you going to be able to get home with a basic tool kit? The new Defender is a fine vehicle for people who want a fun offroad toy to play around with for a few years -- and that's fine. The old one is an investment that will continue to pay dividends well into the future. We can't pretend one is actually replacing the other though.

Where the old one wins: Reliability and value.

@a20axf

3 жыл бұрын

And if maintained properly it’ll still be running after 50 years.

People smile when they see an old Defender. No one smiles at the new one. They only laugh.

this should be called: "new discovery VS real defender"

New defender: more technologically advanced, old defender: absolutely no advanced technology but way cooler and fun. I'd take the old one without doubt

@nickb5391

3 жыл бұрын

me too, less things to go wrong too

@aliadel3290

3 жыл бұрын

Better looking too.

Let’s all be honest, the old one is much nicer looking.

@atarvhegde5210

3 жыл бұрын

Yes

@TheoDaJunk

3 жыл бұрын

Tbh it looks like a train with wheels No hate guys just my opinion

@xali2008

3 жыл бұрын

the old Defender looks like it means business.

When the electrical gremlins begin, those who need a defender will choose the defender. There's only one defender, the other is a different car.

Does it get bogged down in deep mud? the old defender needs lots of welly to get it through, how does the new defender fare?

When using the Hill Decend Control you are actually using the brakes, so you cheated.

@ekxxx123

3 жыл бұрын

He clearly didnt.

@owenathanael

3 жыл бұрын

@@ekxxx123 The HDC system uses the brakes

@thatdoocoo5658

3 жыл бұрын

But did HE? tap the brakes?

@kensmithmail

3 жыл бұрын

@@ekxxx123 the computer automatically applies the brakes when needed in the new car, whereas in the older car the driver was not allowed to apply the brakes clearly the new car is made for people who have no off road skills, an 8 year old child could off road it,

@jonesracingteam9782

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

It's about long term ability, reliability and ruggedness not driving the latest iPhone, which WILL electronically fail.

@loganholmberg2295

3 жыл бұрын

Check out TFLnow to see how their new Defender is going in Colorado....you won't be surprised.😅

Interesting how the TD5 disco would compare as it has traction control but no central diff lock (well mine has)