New Shimano GRX Di2 has me questioning the future of groupsets

After the very recent launch of the SRAM Red groupset, that has really set the tone in terms of Road and Gravel lever ergonomics, it is interesting to see how Shimano is responding to the demands of riders with the launch of the long awaited GRX Di2 set for 12 speed systems.
The new GRX essentially brings the Gravel groupset into line with current Dura Ace, Ultegra and 105 Di2, and everything here is reassuringly compatible. The big news is the lever design. It tries to give more space for a stronger grip on the bars for stability in rough terrain. It is not as good as SRAM Red at this, but it is an improvement.
In a future firmware update it will be possible to use just 1 Di2 button to action a front derailleur shift. This means you get another button to use as a D Fly function such as controlling a cycle computer, ANT+ light or maybe something like a GoPro or dashcam. Interesting.
In the video I pose the question. Is the future of the 3 main groupset brands, SRAM, Shimano and Campagnolo dependent on securing their eco system of parts to be increasingly integrated with other components like handlebars, cycle computers or accessories.
It feels like the future of cycling groupsets for Road and Gravel bikes is firmly heading towards fully electric and focusing more and more on ergonomics and integration.
We paid a full trade price for the components in this review. The video is not sponsored, although we were granted early access to the product in order to make this video.

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  • @andrewblakesley4202
    @andrewblakesley4202

    I really hope that we see a quality 10 speed mechanical groupset again. I fear that L-Twoo and Sensah may be the future for non-competitive riders on a budget. I wonder just how sustainable this high cost tech innovation path is. Will the exponential increase in cost (purchase, service and parts) from mechanical 9/10 speed to todays hydraulic/electronic 12/13 speed be the death knell for the industry?

  • @tonyg3091
    @tonyg3091

    The sooner Shimano realizes that there is one setup that makes all the others redundant -the better. For gravel nothing beats 46/30 chainrings to 40t cassette. Absolutely nothing. Do that, make it Di2 and laugh all the way to the bank.

  • @PeakTorque
    @PeakTorque

    Great video Paul. But really, GRX is redundant. No increase in range over 105, more expensive. Why should you buy this over 105 for gravel?! Better ergonomics on the road levers. Spring tension of the mech maybe? You can drill a small hole further round on the cage if you want to match the spring tension of the grx mech, if its higher. Might even be the same. Since is launch GRX has always had a tiny range, the 1x being horrifically small compared to the 1x XPLR setups. I use mechanical 105 and Ultegra on gravel, chunky gravel, and never had an issue. Cheaper parts for sure.

  • @michaelviglianco6121
    @michaelviglianco6121

    I regret going to 12 speed. It adds nothing but extra complexities and sensitivities

  • @bengt_axle
    @bengt_axle

    I'd like to see an open standard electronic groupset. Despite what people may think, some of the original SRAM and Di2 patents will soon expire (if not already) and it should pave the way for wired electronic shifting, all powered by standard batteries that fit on the derailleur or in the seat tube or post. One electronic shifter and derailleur should be able to handle all shifting from 8-12 speed, because motors can precisely move the jockey wheels, without the need for precisely machined mechanical cogs and stops. The cages and jockey wheels can all be made to be interchangeable modular parts of the system. It would vastly simplify manufacturing and distribution, much the same way Tesla uses many of the same parts in different vehicles, to cut manufacturing costs. I've heard such potential competitor products, shown at Asian trade shows, and look forward to seeing them been installed as OEM or aftermarket.

  • @Mykhailol
    @Mykhailol

    Cycling is so expensive now

  • @ysarn
    @ysarn

    Remember that with Garmin computers you get 3 options from 1 Di2 button, as you can single-click a hidden button, double-click it, or click and hold, configurable on the Garmin, lots of choices. On my road bike I used to have the left hidden button as Garmin control and right hidden button as rear downshift. I programmed it like that, so if I was drinking/eating with my left hand and needed a downshift going uphill I could do so safely. I always had my Di2 buttons setup SRAM-like, left shift levers easier gears (front and rear) right levers harder gears. I have been saying to my fellow riders for ages that Shimano should change the one button for front upshift and another for a front downshift, to just being able to hit a button which tells Di2 to "just give me a front change", as there are only 2 rings, and you can only be in one or the other. Much simpler idea than having 2 seperate buttons.

  • @timdixo
    @timdixo

    The shifter ergonomics aren't great,they should be flatter,the upturn doesn't work with the palms draped over the hoods position.

  • @adonispearson1571
    @adonispearson1571

    Extra button = garage door opener

  • @salamelvisual6270
    @salamelvisual6270

    Whatever happen dont go 13 speed for the love of god. I want road CUES with reliable component and rim brake

  • @eetuhu
    @eetuhu

    Activating a dropper post with an extra button might be a useful feature for a gravel/CX bike.

  • @3mekG
    @3mekG

    If I had a spare button I would use it to extend my Shimano shifting subscription :)

  • @nigelhagley8942
    @nigelhagley8942

    Love your reviews, honest and down to earth, would love to see more MTB related reviews. Thank You!!

  • @mikerichardson5176
    @mikerichardson5176

    I'd use the spare shifter to open the garage door, then turn the coffee machine on and start my shower running. 😅

  • @onehandification
    @onehandification

    Thank you for pointing out the "toggle function" for front shifting. As i cant move the fingers on my left hand, i can do all my shifting with just one hand now! I already am using automatic shifting, but there are situation where a manual fast front shift is the thing i was looking for. Definitely on my todo list and waiting for the update in the app.

  • @Valentin359
    @Valentin359

    Why its only for little cassettes? The best thing about new grx is that you finally can use 10-51 cassetes without switching cage on a derailleur.

  • @user-cx2bk6pm2f
    @user-cx2bk6pm2f

    I hope you're right about the firmware update! I like the idea of front toggle shifting!

  • @ericpmoss
    @ericpmoss

    I am doing my best to go wireless with separate shifting and braking controls. It is insane to lock both together when shifting can be done by a button located almost anywhere.

  • @thomasdemontlivault5647
    @thomasdemontlivault5647

    As a frequent commuter, using the buttons to control lights and bell would make a massive difference. I've never seen a Di2 compatible bike bell though. For the lights, it's do-able within the Garmin ecosystem, but it's far from perfect. Without a third-party connect IQ on the Edge series, you can't individually control the front and rear light. I also use the shifter to scroll through the various screens of the garmin headunit. The chainring "toggle" is nice, but syncro-shift is just so convenient that I'm not sure it will impact many users.

  • @jonbingham7525
    @jonbingham7525

    I use a 105 group set for Gravel - R7000 11 speed mechanical with 11-40T cassette, no modifications required. front mechs is working with 46-30T chainrings - £200 for the whole set