New teeth make an old buncher new again! Although it might be tempting to push older teeth it is my belief that I can't really afford to use dull teeth considering fuel and wear and tear. You've made another quality informative video. It is apparent that you enjoy looking after your machine which I have found to be very rewarding. For myself using an older machine it is very necessary to take the time to properly inspect, clean and maintain the machine rather than just focusing on today's production. Thanks again.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Copy that! Like I think I said in the video, for me there's a fine line between worn teeth and dull teeth. It seems like when there is noticeable rpm drop in the median diameter stem for the stand I'm cutting its time to turn or replace. You have the same philosophy I do on machine maintenance. I think it's all about paying attention to the small details, like greasing, cleaning, inspecting and fixing whatever comes up when it comes up. Then the big ones, consistent production and machine longevity, fall into place. Appreciate the comment and the continued interest!

Man i wish i could work for you, you seem calm and always happy. Last guy i worked for it didn't matter how much wood i was cutting he was never happy. We had the 845C and i was pushing its limits on speed. He was a D head to work for but i miss running bunchers. We had the GN Roy 5600 on it so was a nice head to. That one had 22 teeth's. Anyways nice video as always. I loveeeee your videos, keep up the great work buddy ;)

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Glad it seems that way, sometimes I feel like a growly old son of a gun! Life's too short to work for people like that isn't it? Are you still in the brush just not running Buncher? That GN Roy seems like an interesting outfit, they build some pretty crafty stuff. Seems like I read about them making a squirt stick for bunchers back when the 25% travel restriction first came out in Canada so an operator could reach everything he needed. Always seemed liked a clever update. Thanks for watching and for the comment, we appreciate the support!

I use a wire brush, an extendable 3/4 in drive rachet with a 1 1/6 6 point socket , a 1 1/6 swivel socket on a M18 Milwaukee, and spray lube. Takes 20 mins

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Copy. Sounds like you have it down to a science. What type of teeth do you run? I'm in green wood again for the winter and I just put a set of Gators back on. Man, it's been a while and they really do cut like a hot knife through butter! In the black there's just too much rock and I've been running Ballantines and Quadcos because they are cheaper and seem to hold up to the rock better. Thanks for the comment and for watching, good cutting to ya!

@robertfinch9082

2 жыл бұрын

I run Gator teeth, but they don't seem to last like they used to. I'm in NC, and cut mostly pine. The ground changes from tract to tract as you would know from sand ,to rocks, to red clay, and mud. I run a 724G . Thanks for replying back!

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@robertfinch9082 It's been a while since I've had a set of Gators on so I won't really be able to judge on this set but I've noticed that Quadcos and Ballantines can vary a lot between sets as to how they hold up. Sometimes a set will seem very brittle. I'm always curious how other operators do stuff. Do you get two faces out of a set or three? Do you keep track of how many hours you get? I like to get 4 hundred or so hours out of a set using 3 faces but the last three sets I have barely gotten 2 hundred hours on two faces. Really rocky ground, most of it burned with a lot of rock loose on top of the ground. Nothing like a fresh set of teeth and some good wood to use them on. Are you thinning or harvesting mostly or some of both? Appreciate the info, thanks for watching. Good cutting to ya!

I was told the ballentine teeth would outlast both the Gator teeth and the quadco teeth. I run the gator teeth because that is what my local supply company stocks. They cut like crazy new. But as you say, one rock and they give up a lot. A hard strike kills the face entirely. I found adding new teeth to a batch of well used teeth just made the new teeth do 80% of the work. So I always keep the best 2 or 3 of a changed out batch in the door. Keeps the cutting smoother and balances out better.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

I hear you on that. It's my experience that teeth have a relative lifespan, regardless of make. Depends mostly on the ground you're on. I know this salvage I've been in a lot lately is tough duty for the teeth, both from exposed loose rock but also the charred bark, seems like it is abrasive. I agree with you on putting new teeth into a used set, those points are going to take the gaff until they are worn in to match. The four teeth that had a few hours, I put on a set after hitting something wicked hard in an old hollow stump I trimmed prior to cutting a big one right behind it. It was a farmer patch an he must have thrown some old parts in it, whatever it was did a number on them. I turned the teeth and opposed the four real bad ones but when I powered it up I could feel a vibration so I put the four new on for the rest of the day. I had four at the shop I'd saved that had one real good face on them that I put on the next day, worked well to run for the life of the set. Always a pleasure to hear from you, be safe!

I’ve been changing teeth on our 643d since 2000. That dinging sound when you were cleaning those bolt heads is one I’ll never forget.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Copy that. It rings like a bell. That disc is quite a piece of steel. How many hours do you generally get out of a set of teeth? Thanks for the comment and for watching, we appreciate it. Be safe!

@bryans5339

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger I work in north Alabama and mainly cut pine trees. I’ve got a bad habit of trying to cut way too low. That being said, cutting pine I can get maybe 100-150 hours out of them, and cutting hardwood I change them every 50-100 hours. I use qk10031t teeth and the last set of 18 I bought at our local Tigercat store in Mississippi cost me about $380.00.

@bryans5339

2 жыл бұрын

I’ve busted a lot of Hickory logs by using dull teeth and the disk stopping halfway in the tree and the tree busting. As high as the price of hardwood logs is right now, if I busted one really nice white or red oak due to dull teeth, it would have been worth changing them.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@bryans5339 Copy that. Are those hours for a face or for a set? I generally get three faces out of a set, I have gotten four but usually that last face has the points gone. Do you use three or two faces out of a set? We're getting these Ballantines for about $350 or so for a set of 20. I've had good luck with them, you might want to give them a try. Appreciate the info, it's always interesting to me to hear what others are doing. Good cutting to ya!

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@bryans5339 I hear you on that. Do you double cut bigger stems much? Fir is pretty forgiving and strong but if you put too much of a face in a leaner or there is an unfavorable wind they will shear. I can appreciate that hardwood is a whole different ball game though. I have a tendency to run teeth a little longer than I should probably, smaller wood is pretty forgiving if I slow my feed down a hair. But big wood you really need sharp teeth to take a 28 off the stump and to make fast faces and back cuts without having to wait for recovery. Good talking with you, appreciate the info. Be safe!

Great bunching a really pleasure to watch a listen to. I operate a 2015 870-C very fast, we live in BC canada Keep the videos coming

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Right on, glad you like them! I haven't run a C but have heard good things about them for sure. You can probably tell from the videos, I love this one! Are you on the Island or up North? Either way, thanks for watching and the comment, we appreciate it. Good cutting to ya! Be safe.

@craigtjen9130

2 жыл бұрын

We are in the north, Prince George area, some big wood, kind of cold in the winter, we seem to go through a lot of hoses due to the cold temperatures You sure take good care of your machine and it’s really a pleasure to see….and a fine example for all. Please keep the videos coming I look forward to seeing them…especially the ones of actual cutting Thanks so much and please stay safe in the mountains!

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigtjen9130 Right on. I haven't been that far up in the interior yet, I'd like to see it. I've been out in the Kelowna area a couple of times for the forestry shows. You probably have downtime for spring breakup? And fires too I imagine. I am out of burned wood I think for the rest of the winter, been in it pretty steady for the past year. Tough duty. I hear you on hose failure in cold weather, I've worked in cold country and after a machine and it's hoses get up in hours that stiffness can really be tough on them. Is your Tigercat dealer Inland? Seems like a big outfit. Thanks for the comments and the continued interest, as long as you keep watching them we'll keep making them. Yeah, you be safe too brother, good cutting to ya!

@craigtjen9130

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger yes we have spring break up for sure. But that being said we cut till the end of April on the snow pack. After that we take about 6 to 8 weeks off. On another note we have steep ground also up 45 to 50% which can be a challenge when working in the snow. The new system of winch assist is coming in big time and seems to be safe and a lot easier on the machine as it doesn’t have work as hard. Also when working with maps the forestry has us using the iPad with GPS and we know where we are and where machine free zones are at. I find it great to work with If you have a chance look up babine lake there’s a crossing on a barge and we worked the other side of the lake it’s kind of remote…lots of wild animals…I worked a whole winter there a few years back All the trucks come out on the barge across the lake as most of the time it’s froze in the winter…just kind of a cool area

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@craigtjen9130 Copy that. Big push at the end trying to get the units wrapped up and the March uglies setting in! It seems like in some parts of the interior contractors put up winter cold decks that get processed and trucked after breakup. Is that how you log in the winter or do you log hot- process and truck as you go? Are you cutting in front of wheel skidders or a shovel or grapple yarder? Winch assist is also pretty common down here. We don't get the snow it sounds like you do, but definitely I see a lot of horizontally challenged ground. I'm interested, as are the owners of the company I work for, but we haven't pulled the trigger yet. I cut a lot of ground that maxes out my machines capabilities, but there's also quite a bit of fairly reasonable ground and then a lot of pure handfall yarder ground - vertical rock faces. Difficult to see our way to justifying the cost of the system and the added expenses like 2 machines to move instead of 1, maybe needing an operator in the line machine to make it really click....all that kinda stuff on top of not really having a lot of uniform settings where the system would really shine. I'd be interested in hearing more about your experience with it, what system you're running etc. I'm with you on the iPad, I'm a late convert to it but it's a helluva tool, like you say, to be able to see where I'm at in relation to the map, awesome. I looked up Babine Lake, looks like some nice country for sure. Good talking with you.

Just a curiousity, as an auto tech. Why not also clean the rust off the bolt shafts and bores? it'll help long term once cleaned to avoid seizing bolts, and to deliver longer life with some measure of rust prevention in there. I absolutely agree with torque wrench use, especially on critical items such as those teeth. I would NOT want one of those flying off and striking any living thing. They could probably make it NOT living any longer.

@thedailylogger

Жыл бұрын

I would like to do that, but haven't been able to fit it in! It is a good idea for sure. The bore is not snug and as I rotate the teeth approximately every 125 hours seizing isn't a concern. I do wire brush the threads after turning or replacing the teeth, and grease the threads. One of these times when I'm at the shop and need to turn the teeth I'll pull them and clean the bolts on the wire wheel. Seems like the right diameter wire brush with a long flexible arbor would work to clean the bore up. Another Buncher operator commented on this video that he puts his bolts in a container of oil when he works on his teeth, good idea as well. Anyway, thanks for the question and for watching, we appreciate it! Be safe.

On our 1995 John Deere 643d, it has 18 teeth. I guess that’s why those teeth come in boxes of 18. Ours has a Koering Waterous 20” head.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, another logger wrote that his machine had 18 too, that was an 822 Tigercat swing machine but I guess most of the wheeled bunchers are 18. There are probably 10 wheeled machines for every swinger I bet, you guys in the southeast cut a lot of wood!

If you have air on that service truck a needle scaler might make that initial cleaning job a lot easier and quicker just a thought. Good video. I just subscribed. Keep em coming.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you. It's funny you should mention that. Just the other day I was watching a video from ICWeld and liked the looks of a needle scaler he was using. He is such a master welder he doesn't really need one. But I was thinking that would be handy to have for all sorts of cleanup. I weld so infrequently these days that it might work well on getting the rust off my welding skills too if I could figure out a way to do it! That is a good channel if you are interested in seeing a repair/fabricator/craftsman master at work. Thanks for the comment, and for subscribing. We appreciate your interest and glad you find it useful. Be safe.

@jamesfranks545

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger Yes sir I am a subscriber of IC Weld. He is a master Journeyman Welder. Seems like a good family man as well. I love how he is training his son in the trade. I do a lot of fabrication and a needle scaler is a very useful tool. Take care and looking forward to your next video.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfranks545 Copy that. Is there a brand or model needle scaler that you've had good luck with? Glad you like our videos, stay tuned there are more to come.

@jamesfranks545

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger I got mine from Northern Tool and the name is Klutch. It has been a good one. Many different brands. I would say Ingersol Rand would be at the top of the food chain given their track record with other air tools.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@jamesfranks545 Copy. I asked ICWeld what he was using and he said it was an air hammer from Lowes with a needle attachment from Northern Tool. I was thinking of looking at what IR has to offer but haven't got around to it yet. Thanks for the info. Be safe out there this week!

I change mine about the same way you do. The thing I do different is I take all the teeth off at once and put all the bolts in a pile on the saw. I spray pb blaster in the bolt hole and soak the bolts with it. It seems to keep the rust from forming in the holder. When it’s time to put new teeth on they are still moist in the tooth and the holder. I have run a bunch of different brands of teeth irt, nova, quadco and gator. I haven’t noticed a huge difference in longevity. I work on the east side of Washington in a lot of rock and sand.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

That's a good idea. I might wire wheel the bolts and hone the bolt holes to clean them up and give it a try next set. I have similar experience with longevity, there doesn't seem to be much difference between the brands. I can't say that I have had a bad set of teeth, they just get dinged up over time. The Ballantine are the best price that we've found so far and are giving good service. The IRT and Niva teeth are new names to me, where do you source those from? Appreciate your comment and for watching, good cutting to ya! Be safe

@mikedrentlaw188

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger I get the irt from our local parts supplier.(new tec in kettle falls) the novas ive got from a friend that orders a bunch of sets at a time from a guy In Minnesota. How much do you get your Ballantine teeth for? I’ve heard of them but haven’t ordered any yet. If we ever get to go back to work I’m going to try them. I bought a brand new tigercat in March and only have put 125hrs on it. It came with the gators on it.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@mikedrentlaw188 I looked around a little online for both of those, curious to see what they want for them. I hadn't heard of either one. Must be that Quadcos patent expired, there are quite a few manufacturers offering teeth now. Don't hold me to it but I think we get Ballantines for around 18 a tooth. It's been awhile since we got any sets. Is fire holding you back from logging? That's a long down time. Your Tigerkitty must be getting a little growly not getting any exercise. Have fun with your new machine when you do get back to work.

Wow, original bolts… fresh teeth….like cutting through warm butter

@thedailylogger

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, I know. I keep thinking I should change them out but they look good and I've torqued them from new so Im going to see how long they will go. What do you run for teeth? I'm back to Quadcos, they are the best bang for the buck down here. I've got a few of the Gatorteeth from a couple of boxes a while back. They look sexy as hell but I don't really see much of a difference, and they seem to be pretty hard, you hit a rock and you've lost some corners for sure. This winter I cut three units on one set of teeth, Quadcos, got 450 hours out of them on the three faces. Something over 7 million feet. I'd like to say it was skill but it was good soil. I've been on some pretty steep ground lately, been playing around with cutting with the disc angled up slightly. It makes a big difference on wear, and I don't have to snipe the stump again. Thanks for the comment, good cuttin to ya brother!

@Stormdodger

Жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger good day to ya sir. I have been running some no name brand from Great West Equipment up here in B.C.. They are for a deere saw blade, take a 5/8 fine thread bolt. They seem to work alright but if I hit anything hard they fracture are break chunks off…. Weird steel. The quadco are far superior. My outfit I had been workin for just folded, so I have just started a new gig running an lx870d, with the 26…. Impressive machine,but I’m still getting used to the camera skycam and I notice it doesn’t tilt as much as the 959k. There are so many nice features on the tiger.. Now the teeth on the tiger take the 1 inch bolt and are so much more beefy compared to what I’ve been running on the previous machine. I can see why u have original bolts…. Good on ya I’m gonna have to get some vids of the new machine…. It has a few dents I want to straighten. Only has 6800hrs…. And it needs a good cleaning… I was shocked at how much debree was in the swing drive area.I mean you could not see the swing drives😳 All is good though…. We’ll getter figured out. Looks like we are gonna be in a heat dome this week, so we’ll see how long it takes to be shut down….30c(86f) pretty warm for May. Cheers. Rob

@thedailylogger

Жыл бұрын

@@Stormdodger Copy! Hey, good luck with the new Buncher. I sure love mine, it's been an excellent machine! Another thing about it over the Deere, I think you'll find you burn less fuel. It's funny about the camera, I really liked having the backup cam like for backing out of an MEZ or if I had to reach in to open up a hole. But that went haywire - the monitor itself has a glitch I guess, 3500 bucks! So what I have is the front cam and to be honest, it doesn't do much for me. Old guy I guess but I'd rather have a skylight for when I need it like finding the slot when I'm cutting ROW or opening something up. I like the way you think hearing you talk about giving her a good cleaning, I'm the same way. I hate having to get unnecessarily dirty when I have to do a repair, and having that swing cavity clean is a good way to avoid a Buncher BBQ! We're having the same heat wave down here, be cutting all night for fire season before we know it right? Be safe!

Standard 5702 has 18 teeth, probably more common than the 5702-26..at least on the east coast. Great videos 👍

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

That makes sense, would that be designed for a drive to tree machine? There probably are 10 to 1 of those to swing to tree bunchers so the numbers would determine the packaging. Thanks for clearing that up for me, I don't know how long I've asked myself the question! Appreciate your comment and for watching. Be safe!

@jordangrady8225

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger my 822d has a 5702 (23” cut cap) they do also use the 5702 on the wheeled machines.

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordangrady8225 Right on. So what do you run for teeth on your machine? It's always interesting to me to hear what works for other operators. Good cutting to ya!

@jordangrady8225

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger I have the gators on right now, pretty happy with them so far. We just purchased the new 822d last month,so I will have to try the ballantine teeth at some point

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@jordangrady8225 Copy- I'd say your still smelling the new paint burning off but that doesn't happen any more with DEF. Same with me, when we took delivery the 870 had Gators on it. I ran a couple sets of those and then alternated with Quadcos to compare the two. I think the Gators were designed by an engineer who worked for Timberjack originally, there is a lot of ex-Timberjack brainpower at Tigercat too. Hopefully you will like the Ballantine when you get a chance to try them out, I've had good luck with them and the price is good. Have fun with your new machine!

Cuts like a fresh ground chain, half used up, and the grinder is set perfect for angular fiber assassination!

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Angular fiber assassination, I love it! I know just what you're saying, there's that sweet spot when you have the chain broke in and she's just eating the wood up, have to hold it back! New teeth are just the same, I was thinking to myself the other day with these fresh ones on, "if I get to be a bazillionaire I'll have one of the staff put a fresh set on for me every day". Oh boy- I've got a logging problem! Good to hear from you, be safe!

@woos31

2 жыл бұрын

@@thedailyloggerwell ya, that would only make sense for the staff to re-tooth every day. Especially for a huge KZread logger dude, that's absolutely on the schedule

Wire wheel might clean the bolts off easier?

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, I think I might do that to clean the bolts and holes up next time and try Mike Drentlaws suggestion of PB Blaster. I'll see how that holds up on the next set. Thanks for the comment!

Is your Milwaukee a 1/2 inch drive? I’ve been trying to find a solution to changing my buncher teeth

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

No, it's just 3/8'ths. You probably saw in the video I break the bolts with a cheater pipe and then run them out with it. Then run them in snug with it again before torquing them to 300. I like it a lot and it works great for what I ask out of it but it's not a powerful tool. I don't mind the steps I take with the teeth, I like the opportunity to check out the disc and the teeth. But I can understand what you're looking for too. What are you running for a Buncher/sawhead/disc? The Tigercat 5702 disc will accommodate an impact extension if you pull one tooth off, there's an indent machined in to the tooth holder for that purpose. I think you'd need at least a 3/4" gun to break them though, I know when I have good life on a face they can be pretty well froze up to break free. Good luck to you on finding a solution. Thanks for watching and for the question. Be safe!

@scottzimmerman3836

2 жыл бұрын

I have a lx830d with a 5702. Im not really looking for a powerful tool just something to speed up the process a tad and my hands don’t work very well do to a accident while i was a hand faller. Im also having troubles finding a 1”1/16 3/8 socket I suppose i just need to brave the city and broaden my serch

@scottzimmerman3836

2 жыл бұрын

I watch all of your videos they are all very informative! I’ve learned alot from them

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottzimmerman3836 Copy. The 830 is an animal too. Where abouts do you work? The Milwaukee Angle 3/8's might be just what your looking for then. What I use is a 1/2" drive 1+1/16" socket wth a 3/8" to 1/2 adapter. With the milwaukee there's still room enough with that setup. I'm the same way, just want to speed it up a little by running the bolts out and back in. The cordless stuff is amazing, I've run Milwaukee since it was all corded but they all are good I think, just depends on what batteries you get started on! Good luck to you on this, and good cutting to ya!

@thedailylogger

2 жыл бұрын

@@scottzimmerman3836 Thanks a lot! We appreciate that tremendously. That's really why we are doing it, sharing some information and knowledge - maybe encourage some younger people to consider this industry. Thanks for the compliment and the continued interest! Be safe.

Don't bother torquing, do em up as tight as you can get em , they'll only get tighter with use, 15 years and I've never seen bolts get loose

@thedailylogger

Жыл бұрын

yeah, I'm just being particular. I'm working to see how long I can get these tooth bolts to last, almost 7000 hours on the originals now and counting. I'm using grease on them, there was a time with other machines I used Neverseize but that gets kinda caked and stiff, noticed it if I had to take one off by hand. I ran them dry for a while too, just wire brush them off before. The grease is a good way to go I think. What teeth do you run?

@mikehd3904

Жыл бұрын

@@thedailylogger mostly quadco, I only hug trees in the spare time now, I've been loading trucks for th last few years

@thedailylogger

Жыл бұрын

@@mikehd3904 Copy, have you tried the gatorteeth? I liked them, they look plenty sexy but I didn't really experience much of a difference, not enough to justify the extra cost. Unless I'm really lucky or on really soft ground I find it's hard to get much more than 400 hours out of a set and still make low stumps. I remember you're loading out, running an 875 Tigercat aren't you? I really like the looks of those powerclam grapples with the buttntop setup. Thanks for the comment, have good holidays and a good year to come as well!

@mikehd3904

Жыл бұрын

@@thedailyloggeryes i have tried them, there nice but cost vs hours , it's pretty rocky ground all around us so the time comes when ya ding a rock, they dont last as long ,seems like most guys just go quadco around here

@thedailylogger

Жыл бұрын

@@mikehd3904 Yeah, they seem harder than the Quadcos? tend to lose more point when you do hit a rock. Quadcos still are the most popular choice around here too.

Eighteen teeth per box and you need 20, forces you to buy another box. That’s what I call marketing!

@thedailylogger

9 ай бұрын

Yeah it's always kinda baffled me, I've never run a disc with less so I have always wondered if it was a weight issue for shipping, or like you say, marketing. But after this video came out I had several operators from the SE point out that a lot of the wheeled bunchers run 18 tooth discs. Worldwide they outnumber track machines pretty heavily so that may explain the box count. In the past I've looked into buying 10 boxes or more at a time, to get a better deal and have the teeth on hand, but the margins are pretty tight, the volume you'd have to buy to get a significant discount has always been more investment than I, or the guys I've worked for, wanted to tie up. It's pretty easy to get the 2 extra teeth at dealers with the box, so it's not like you have to buy a whole extra box. As I show in the video, I like to keep a full set of 20 on hand in the Pelican case just in case! Thanks for the comment, and for watching, be safe.