What do you expect from an expert, some one who knows what they are talking about. That's why the Leave Campaign instructed us all not to listen to experts. Truth is anathema to liars.

Sir Patrick Vallance is 100% correct. You cannot be isolated and successful.

@xtc2v

17 күн бұрын

Tariffs and trade does not required putting the country under the control of Von der Leyen

@Jj-ff9vq

17 күн бұрын

Is this the Sir Patrick Vallance who had £600,000 shareholding in firm contracted to develop vaccines? 😂😂😂😂

@tompearce3610

17 күн бұрын

​@@xtc2vthe necessary trade for the UK does require a close trading agreement with the EU. Pretending we can make up trade with countries further away is for the birds.

@Richard1A2B

17 күн бұрын

​@@xtc2vUrsula Von der Layen doesn’t even "control" the EU. Talk about a straw man argument.

@trident6547

17 күн бұрын

@@xtc2v Oh yes it does. The EU commission negotiates all the trade agreements on behalf of all 27 memberstates and it also oversees the implementation of those agreements with the trade partners of EU.

At last someone telling the fascists that brexit is the worst decision Britain ever made

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

Another anti brexit Tommy Tanker, then?

@matthewrice3432

8 күн бұрын

​@@rebeccanoble6797no rebecca... yet another person telling it how it is👌

Grown-ups back in charge.

@mattsyson3980

17 күн бұрын

But need to face up to 'out means OUT' and NO cherrypicking.

@alea_iacta_est.rubicon

17 күн бұрын

Yes. But too late now.

@cousinit2392

16 күн бұрын

​@@mattsyson3980brexit has been delivered you changed the democratic will of the 1970s , if we rejoin it will be the democratic will of people

Why is this a " bizarre " interview? He is making perfectly good sense in his criticism of the absurd self-harm and hobbling of our economy by Brexit, and slamming the door on highly qualified scientists wanting to work and research and study in the UK ( and whom we badly need) is part of that idiotic imposition of economic sanctions on ourselves. The Spectator like to think of itself as the considered, measured and above all intelligent voice of the Tory party but the truth is that the vote in favour of the UK leaving the EU had as its unspoken basis, elements of xenophobia, racism, bigotry , lies and of course shady financial and political elements exploiting useful fools for their own benefit and gain. What's bizarre is that we have, for the first time in 14 years, people at the heart of government knowing what they are doing, talking about, and speaking the truth. No wonder the innocent young Pippa's and Jonty's at The Spectator are shocked and amazed. They are too young to have known anything better than the 14 years of idiocy and deception from Cameron to Sunak.

@frank834skinner3

14 күн бұрын

Only tories will find reason and common sense bizarre.

@l.belcher1687

5 күн бұрын

It's the Spectator is why. The Tory magazine of sympathy with Ghislaine Maxwell. Why do you think they have anonymous writers with names like Steerpike? Thoroughly grim.

It’s great that the BBC are asking hard questions to politicians, it’s just a shame Nigel Farage doesn’t get questioned in the same vigorous way.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

Say what?

Absolutely nothing about Brexit is favourable to the UK; not even the loss of FOM...

@Brynmawrhill

17 күн бұрын

What on earther do you mean by "not even"? The loss of FOM has done us so much damage.

@terryj50

17 күн бұрын

@@Brynmawrhill if people are smart they can move

@lloydbelle3406

17 күн бұрын

@@Brynmawrhill I'm saying the loss of FOM is not helpful to the UK.

@lloydbelle3406

16 күн бұрын

@@terryj50 So for the decline in UK farming produce, you blame EU seasonal farm workers for not being smart enough to beat Brexit FOM restrictions??

@terryj50

16 күн бұрын

@@lloydbelle3406 maybe the lazy Brits should work no one should be coming on minimum wage and benefits to many Brits being paid by high skilled workers time to get off benefits and work the uk does not need more low skilled workers. Maybe the thick remainers should become fruit pickers and get off benefits get yourself some skills maybe then you can move to the eu as a fruit picker.

The EU system of freedom of movement worked very well for Britain, its restoration is essential.

@dogglebird4430

17 күн бұрын

@carolewood3482 No! It's been an absolute disaster for many UK towns and cities. Go and talk to British people in places like Boston (if there are any left).

@karenhopwood891

17 күн бұрын

​@@dogglebird4430Ah, Boston.... the xenophobic capital of Britain.

@dogglebird4430

17 күн бұрын

@@karenhopwood891 They are still British citizens and they are entitled to their view, even if it offends your delicate sensibilities.

@jmolofsson

17 күн бұрын

​@@dogglebird4430one question is if the UK implementef FoM (for capital, services, goods and the workforce) differently than other countries, as similar complaints aren't common in Ireland or on the Continent. As an employee of local government, my work included arranging the return of citizens who were no longer eligible to stay in e.g. France, when they'd been found out to be beggars and a burden on society. Funnily enough, never from Britain.

@dogglebird4430

17 күн бұрын

@jmolofsson You make a valid point. Unfortunately, we have been stuck with successive governments who are addicted to immigration and would do their level best to not send anyone back. They can't be trusted with freedom of movement.

My wife voted leave because of leaflet saying millions would go to hospitals. Why is Garage not in jail.

@ab-ym3bf

17 күн бұрын

same reason why your wife is not in class learning critical thinking.

@patrikfloding7985

16 күн бұрын

One shouldn't believe everything one reads.

@bh5037

16 күн бұрын

because he is rich ...

@jablot5054

15 күн бұрын

She made a very important decision based on a leaflet!!

@SittaCarolinensis

15 күн бұрын

Get real; that was never going to happen!

That came quicker than I expected! You were dead right Liz

I want my freedom back stolen by fat beers swilling nobody’s. I can’t retire to Spain now, I’m fuming. Retired , stuck on prison island

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

You are free to faff off. Off you go ...

Yeah, research visas and costs for the UK are _21 times_ the French costs and _24 times_ that of Germany. And it's the same ridiculous costs compared all of the EU countries. A researcher in the UK with a family of two kids finds that it would cost 5 months pay to cover the costs to extend the research job for three years. *Guess where the scientists go?*

@stephanguitar9778

17 күн бұрын

That might well change now the right wing nut jobs have gone.

@dantownsend4246

17 күн бұрын

UK visa cost are directly related to a distrust of foreigners . They must pay dearly to work in a global, world leading and cosmic powerful superpower.

@marleneMS

17 күн бұрын

​@dantownsend4246 which is?

@noelfleming3567

16 күн бұрын

​@@dantownsend4246world beating 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

@bh5037

16 күн бұрын

but but but SOVEREIGNTY ....... they are FOREIGNER whom Jonny English hates to the bones....

I'm reading another book about Brexit. It's so clear that Brexit has simply made us poorer and made it infinitely more difficult to live, work or study in the EU. The way the negotiations were carried out is nothing short of reckless and irresponsible. I don't know if we can reverse Brexit or if the damage caused can ever be mitigated.

@west5828

17 күн бұрын

Because of the rotten deal , that's why .no one wanted a deal a deal was a bad deal

@Dana-ml7sy

17 күн бұрын

You are wrong. The Tory’s didn’t implement Brexit properly but even so the U.K. are still doing better that the EU countries in 2024. Your book must be out of date.

@tompearce3610

17 күн бұрын

​@@Dana-ml7sywe are doing worse than we would have been, that's the point. Can always find somewhere that's doing worse at any given point.

@west5828

17 күн бұрын

@@Dana-ml7sy they never implemented well due to the deal ,it was a terrible deal wanted by the lords

@Dana-ml7sy

17 күн бұрын

@@tompearce3610Watch the EUs big guys get what they want. On utube. Then tell me if you still agree.

Nice to see grown ups back in charge.

@jablot5054

15 күн бұрын

Why just parrot other comments ?

At last. Someone talking sense about the self harm has done. Brexit and isolating from our biggest trading partner will inevitably make us poorer.

Encouraging words from the new science minister. I can see no logical reason why we should not attract the best scientific minds around Europe and the world and it goes without saying their families too. Sooner or later this expensive Visa system with its arbitrary caps will have to be discredited and done away with. It just does not make any sense. This country was and always has been built on immigration. If you look around the high street in towns and cities in Britain you could be forgiven for asking where have all the young people gone. The truth is my generation often only had one child or maybe two. We don't have enough young energetic people to run all our services.

@normanchristie4524

17 күн бұрын

Now that we have got rid of that hack Gove...experts are finally back!

@vincentvangogh8092

17 күн бұрын

If the USA cannot exist without a green card why can we ?

@Jj-ff9vq

17 күн бұрын

Is this the Sir Patrick Vallance who had £600,000 shareholding in firm contracted to develop vaccines? 😂😂😂😂

@jablot5054

15 күн бұрын

​@@Jj-ff9vqand the virus to go with his vaccine!

Sir Patrick looks to have really recovered since he used to appear on our screens during Covid 19. Wonderful to see. Congratulations to him and I wish him the very best of health and luck 🍀!

@CuriousCrow-mp4cx

17 күн бұрын

He did get Covid. He got a dose of working with Johnson and Sunak, and if Cummings is telling the truth, nobody would have escaped that deadly duo unscathed.

@Jj-ff9vq

17 күн бұрын

Is this the Sir Patrick Vallance who had £600,000 shareholding in firm contracted to develop vaccines? 😂😂😂😂

The brexit Paradox is that any govt capable of delivering brexit wouldn't. The tory govt of 2010 - 24 were incapable. QED (Caveat - The subtly of this quote often confuses brexit supporters)

@rebeccanoble6797

17 күн бұрын

Newsflash. We are out of the EU.

@matthewrice3432

14 күн бұрын

@@rebeccanoble6797 And? It's been a complete and utter disaster.

@rebeccanoble6797

14 күн бұрын

@@matthewrice3432 yeah, 'cause the kitchen needs cleanin' and the dish is in the sink The clothes need washing and the washer's broken down The lawn needs cutting and the gardener's quit And the cat's having kittens and the dog's got fleas

@rebeccanoble6797

14 күн бұрын

@@matthewrice3432 "Complete and utter disaster"... You mean, you didn't get what you want. Listen : the tidal wave that hit Thailand was a disaster. Chernobyl was a disaster. Tropical storm Indalia that swept across Georgia was a DISASTER.

@rebeccanoble6797

14 күн бұрын

@@matthewrice3432 Tell me all the woes that have befallen you, Matthew. Go right ahead. All the trials and heartaches and plagues upon your life. I'm all ears.

I recall how some clown on BBC Question Time I think in 2016 poked a speaker in the audience sitting in front of him and said 'What part of Leave don't you understand!?' Well, clearly the questioner didn't understand any of this aspect himself.He along with millions of other ignoramuses who comprise the 52%.

@dogglebird4430

17 күн бұрын

Still not respecting democracy? Pathetic.

@trident6547

17 күн бұрын

@@dogglebird4430 No parliament is bound by the decisions made by a former parliament.

@dogglebird4430

17 күн бұрын

@@trident6547 Brexit wasn't the decision of a previous Parliament: Brexit was the decision of the electorate.

Britain lost out on the Horizon scheme where top scientists from Europe worked in the UK ,paid for from the European science budget

@Purple_flower09

17 күн бұрын

The EU wanted £6 billion from the UK for Erazmus to continue. The offer was calibrated to be unacceptable.

@EllieD.Violet

17 күн бұрын

That's not Erasmus, that's Horizon.

@trident6547

17 күн бұрын

@@Purple_flower09 Both Oxford and Cambridge had huge benefits from UK being in the Horizon scheme. They both received hundreds of billions for research before brexit. Statistics from the European Commission have revealed that both Oxford and Cambridge universities have seen their funding from the Horizon 2020 programme cut to practically zero. According to these figures Cambridge University, which raised £433 million over the seven years of the last European research funding programme, has not received any funding in the first two years of the new Horizon Europe programme. While Oxford has seen funding collapse from €523 million to just €2 million. While the UK’s associate membership of the Horizon Europe programme was agreed in principle as part of the Brexit trade deal negotiations in 2020, ratification has been put on hold after the UK failed to implement the Northern Ireland Protocol. Funding, like this, for UK universities is crucial as it not only supports research but encourages collaboration between institutions and creates opportunities for expertise to be shared. An “historic blunder of monumental proportions,” according to Simon Marginson, Professor of Higher Education at Oxford, there don’t appear to be any benefits from Brexit for UK science, with the UK becoming increasingly less attractive to highly qualified European researchers and students. The UK’s loss appears to be the US and Europe’s gain as the government’s aim of turning the UK into a global science superpower seems to have gone the same way as so many other promises made about the ‘benefits’ of Brexit.

@roelkomduur8073

17 күн бұрын

@@Purple_flower09 You can't even spell Erasmus....Total costs of Erasmus+ over the period 2021 to 2027 is around 28 billion euro ..... Just Google and you learn something else than that Daily Mail nonsense, ..MORON.

@Ooze-cl5tx

16 күн бұрын

@@Purple_flower09 As always the english know the price of everthing and the value of nothing. Have fun outside.

Freedom of movement is one of the five freedoms within the European Union. They are "indivisable" if you have one then you must have all. The Copenhagen treaty is non negotiable.

@JohnRice-vb2ze

17 күн бұрын

Yes exactly, there is no cherry picking what bits we want and dont want. I dont know why he hasnt worked this out yet.

@nicks4934

17 күн бұрын

He’s not asking for fom

@incandescentwithrage

17 күн бұрын

​@@JohnRice-vb2zeBecause that's completely unrelated to what he said, perhaps?

@mobsiesixsixsix9785

17 күн бұрын

@@JohnRice-vb2ze Your comments are all things that brexiters have done in the past. Odd then that you would try and use them to say someone who knows better than you is wrong. Your cultist behaviour is noted. As is your username.

@Purple_flower09

17 күн бұрын

​@@JohnRice-vb2ze it's just a question of visa exceptions that are easily done and are already used for other jobs.

Maybe there is hope Britain can escape the clutches of Brexit. Thanks for sharing the interview, Liz. ❤🎉😊

@brianferguson7840

17 күн бұрын

You can't rejoin the European Union ! It's not your choice and never will be. When britain joined the original Common Market, there were a handful of members, and it still took eleven years to convince them to agree to have you. Now there are twenty seven member states, and you have proven beyond any possible doubt how untrustworthy and mendacious you are and that you have absolutely no concept of the true European ideal. You voted to leave, you left ! And we don't want you back ! Why would we ????

@JohnRice-vb2ze

17 күн бұрын

No we still live in a democracy thankfully.

@brianferguson7840

17 күн бұрын

​@@JohnRice-vb2ze You used to live in a much bigger democracy in Europe until the tiny minds of bigotry ruined it.

@brianferguson7840

17 күн бұрын

​Democracy = Governance of the will of the people. Brexit = Governance of the will of the rich and powerful propagandists who wanted freedom to sell their country's assets.

@JohnRice-vb2ze

17 күн бұрын

@@brianferguson7840 That wasnt democracy. When the British people say we want immigration reduced and we are told we cant then that is not a democratic system. Its you who is the bigot. A bigot is someone who is intolerant to someone elses views or way of life. You are the one who is intolerant of the views of the 17 million people who voted for Brexit, you are the one who is intolerant of the British way of life and want it destroyed by mass immigration.

Be honest. Who we want in charge of things like science: Someone who knows what they are talking about or someone who studied politics at Oxford then worked as a PPS but who has the same old school tie as the PM?

@lizwebstersbf

17 күн бұрын

Indeed this is the inherit problem with democracy, especially now that liars can easily build platforms to serve themselves and do over the country. But we need better education and tighter scrutiny of media.

@Ooze-cl5tx

16 күн бұрын

@@lizwebstersbf Good luck with that, but the Tory media are lightyears ahead of you. They managed to reduce journalism in the UK to presenting news. Presenting it with any bias they prefer and not a single bit of research.

I see comments that ‘grown-ups are back in charge.’ Too bad the English populace hasn’t reached that point yet. When I hear the nation apologize for its actions, accept the Euro and Schengen, understand the ‘single-market’ as a fantasy, write a constitution, understand there is no negotiating power, and renounce the repugnant term ‘ex-pat’; then maybe I’d listen.

@ab-ym3bf

16 күн бұрын

To a toddler even a 6 year old looks grown up. The British electorate seems very easily duped, going from one saviour to the next.

@Purple_flower09

16 күн бұрын

​@@ab-ym3bf there are small movements in the right direction and a refreshing attitude of extending cooperation rather than belligerent stupidity. I think it's welcome. Yes some folk get carried away but we're working from a low starting point here.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

English? Surely you mean the UK? We told the EU to take a long walk off a short plank. Has the message gotten through to you?

He is not talking about free movement of people - he is simply saying that the government should make the visa application easier for scientific experts to move to the UK, for examples, researchers on cancer treatment etc. That makes a lot of sense to me !

@bernardpearce3478

17 күн бұрын

It's actually easier for the fine brains from India to get visas now that you've taken back control 😂

@mobsiesixsixsix9785

17 күн бұрын

It's a start and better than nothing.

@nicholasflynn5376

17 күн бұрын

The absolutely hilarious thing about Brexit was that an awful lot of of English people didn’t realise that India, Pakistan and the entire continent of Africa weren’t EU members.

@Ooze-cl5tx

16 күн бұрын

@albertliu1068 The UK visa requirements and costs are an intelligence test. Anyone stupid enough to pay that is exactly what the UK deserves.

Thank you, Liz. I missed this interview. What an intelligent man, I am sure he will be an asset to the government.

Thanks for sharing. Absolutely right. Forward. Modern international relations in science and technology for solving problems with imagination and knowledge. 😊

We're fed up with experts.... no wait, that's the other lot! Yay!

Upsets the spectator? Well, someone has to...

Hurrah. Progress, however, slow is still progress. Thanks for keeping us updated.

The Spectator is upset. Excellent news. BBC needs sorting out.

Wonderful!

Sir Patrick's appointment as Minister of Science is avast improvement on BJ's appointment of Amamnda Solloway as Minister od Science because this lady had not been to university!

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

Yeah, I never would have worn face nappies and been confined to my home without him.

Why is it so hard for Brits to accept that Brexit was a disaster and needs to be reversed with the best terms that the UK can beg from Europe?

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

Because obviously, it isn't. The EU on the other hand was a load of codswallop.

The essence of populism is, 'We are all equally human - therefore my ignorance is equal to your knowledge'.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

The essence of FAR LEFT wankdom .. try to pontificate like you know what you are talking about.

The four movement freedoms of goods, services capital and people are unitary, indivisible a benefit of EU membership, Cherry picking isn't available.

@JohnRice-vb2ze

17 күн бұрын

Correct. Its incredible that this guy hasnt figured this out yet.

@nicks4934

17 күн бұрын

When did he ask for that. Isreal is in Eurasmus. No fom

@maxharbig1167

17 күн бұрын

@@nicks4934 Erasmus is a student exchange program. Nothing to do with FOM.

@mobsiesixsixsix9785

17 күн бұрын

Why not? All the brexiters have ever done is cherry pick.

@Purple_flower09

17 күн бұрын

​@@maxharbig1167 looks like all he wants is exceptions for visas for scientists and families. It's not FOM. The video headline is clickbait. The UK already has visa exceptions for other occupations.

You cant ease the rules so easyly. Thats the problem.

I work in a global pharma role and Brexit has undoubtedly contributed to making it harder for Brits to climb the ladder and have a sphere of influence - especially those few comprehensive kids who make it to this level. Scientists with a D-degree (perhaps it would work for an M-degree) should have freedom of movement on both sides. We also need to do something about our universities to encourage science students from Europe, as English is the language of science and it would benefit our economy. Personally I would target this at former polytechnics in struggling cities/town. Hopefully, this government will do a better job than the previous.

@ab-ym3bf

17 күн бұрын

An educated brit, but still not able to understand the UK is in Europe.

@lizwebstersbf

17 күн бұрын

So is Belarus in Europe but not in the EU.

@PeterRamselaar

16 күн бұрын

@@lizwebstersbf well let's have a look at that word 'Europe' Here is a list of the different meanings and uses of "Europe" as mentioned on Wikipedia: 1. Geographic: Europe as a continent of the world, including the mainland and surrounding islands. 2. Political: The European Union, a political supranational entity of European countries. 3. Mythology: Various figures in Greek mythology, including Europa, a lover of Zeus. 4. Literature: Including literary works such as the magazine "Europe" and books like "Europe: A History". 5.Music: The Swedish hard rock band "Europe", and various albums and musical works named "Europe". 6. Other Uses: Ranging from a historical ship named "Europe" to a type of dinghy, a metro station in Paris, and even the use of "Europe" as the title for a nature documentary and sports teams representing Europe. The term "Europe" therefore has a wide range of meanings and applications, from geographic to cultural, literary, musical, and more. So, when writing "from Europe," it’s important to clearly indicate which "Europe" you mean, otherwise it's just guessing! 😉 And let's take a look at the online version of the Oxford Dictionary to see which meaning of "Europe" is listed first. And psst, Brits, don't click on the Oxford Advanced American Dictionary button; then there is only Europe (noun), a northern continent, connected to Asia, but what do they know, hey?

@Ooze-cl5tx

16 күн бұрын

I still dont get the UKs concept there. All you do you do for profit and to win over anyone else. You want to lure scientists from all over the world , including europe . to UK universities, where they shall do scientific work for you and enrich your economy with the gains of their research? And you honestly expect the EU to help you with that ? (of course for free, brits never pay for anything). The english estimate of the average europeans intelligence is outright insulting.

The trouble with scientific method, is it seeks testing the interpretation of truth and pressure tests theories to see if they can be disproven. Politics overrides seeking truths, consequently, Patrick won’t always toe the line, so is a breath of fresh air. 😂

I'm not sure of the details, but blocking dependents from living with their father/mother whilst they work in the UK is incredibly wrong and counter-productive. My next door neighbour's son works for a Japanese auto-manufacturer and just returned (I'm in Japan too) this March back to head office. Obviously, his wife and two children accompanied him on his 2 or 3 year stint in the UK. If people cannot bring their family with them to the UK, then companies are going to firstly resist this policy and if not changed, then they will start to look to other countries to set-up their factories, offices and the like. I agree that the line has to be drawn somewhere and bringing adult children, grandparents and aunts and uncles is crossing that line.

Finally sense prevails!

Great man. Good choice.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

Said the remoaner.

He’s a net zero enthusiast where groupthink has clearly led us down a path of stupidity dressed up as planet saving. Full and honest debate on many issues are necessary Brexit among them. Honesty and openness need to prevail on all issues.

@jablot5054

15 күн бұрын

We can't have that if MPs are embroiled in multiple behind the scenes deals with companies. Like Valance , who did very well out of COVID.

What a misleading headline & introduction to the video. Valences conversation didn't show him 'slamming' anything although the interviewer tried to bait him. He just talked about the importance of science. Whatever has happened to the Spectator. I know the Barclay Brothers still own it but 'no longer control it' so who does? That was the sort of headline you'd expect to see in the Daily Fail.

Start as you mean to go on, Sir Patrick.

This is more cherrypicked by our Starmer party, the only thing to do is rejoin the EU .

@epincion

17 күн бұрын

Rejoining the EU as a full member is a generation off and so it’s sensible of Starmer to focus on improving the TCA which is a terrible trade deal for the UK. There is no such thing as close association with the single market for a third party so forget about the babble of achieving that. Upgrade the TCA into a proper comprehensive FTA such as that held by Canada with the EU and while it will be nowhere near the same thing as membership it will at least reduce the friction experienced by UK exporters very considerably. However the price is that the UK has to agree to dynamic equivalence which means that UK rules & regulations must not only be convergent with EU rules & regulations (and to a large extent they still are convergent since the UK only left the EU recently and in doing so embedded the EU rules & regulations at the time of leaving into UK law) but the UK gov (i e Starmer’s government) must agree to a mechanism whereby UK rules & regulations automatically update as EU rules & regulations change. This is what happened when the UK was a member but then it had a seat at the table and a vote in making changes whereas now it will not but merely be a rule taker. Starmer has previously refused to agree to dynamic alignment but he faces the choice of agree or watch the economy sink.

@Cider4144

17 күн бұрын

No so simples, sadly.

@bobleitch3610

17 күн бұрын

Why? FFS.

@Purple_flower09

17 күн бұрын

Attempting to join the EU would require first of all a detailed ten year plan to get in line with the criteria for membership. It's unlikely many of the public would vote for such a plan as it would involve painful sacrifices.

@Purple_flower09

17 күн бұрын

​@@bobleitch3610 economic damage

Good stuff

Put your house in order first. Then maybe Britain has a chance of joining the best alliance she so stupidly threw away. Although, I'm not sure a bid would be successful.

What a great new Science Minister!

It's now impossible even if you are British, to come and live in the UK with a non UK spouse or partner unless you move back alone first and get a high-paying job then apply to bring them 😒

Yes, common sense

I think he is a great chap and the best man for the job. Yes of course we want to do science in this country and science is international so it is pretty obvious we make it easy for these people. A bit of science would increase the productivity of your farm, so less work for more pay.

He’s not wrong.

Weird that publications like the Spectator that advocate free markets and are against government interference in businesses are strongly against free markets and in favour of government interfering in businesses when people want to move around to fill jobs the free market creates. Thatcher would be furious, she was in favour of free movement of people.

Capitalism requires freedom of movement for capital and labour. The UK wants growth freedom of movement is required.

This was clockbait. In the clip you featured, Vallance was calling (rightly) for the easing of visa restrictions of scientists coming to the UK. Freedom if mivement allows two way mivement. Under the present restrictions UK citizens do not have the right to work and live in Europe.

@Ooze-cl5tx

16 күн бұрын

Seems easing of visa restrictions for scientists (or anyone) coming to the UK is the only thing the mighty worldbeating UK can do on its own. Please tell us why we in the EU should reward you for poaching scientists (or other workers) from us by giving you free access to the EU ?

Sounds good to me ❤

A very interesting video not to be missed is "What are Farage's Russian links?" by Professor Tim Wilson and "Johnson SEX Parties" by Political X Foreign food producers, foreign Lorry Drivers, foreign Students, foreign Tourists, foreign Medical staff, foreign Teachers and Professors, foreign Engineers, foreign Lawyers, Barristers and Solicitors, foreign Journalists, foreign Nurses, foreign Midwives, foreign Doctors, foreign Caretakers, foreign Fruit & Vegetable pickers, foreign Builders, foreign Hospitality workers, foreign IT workers, foreign Bankers, foreign Investors, foreigners Everyone & Anyone, just avoid Little Britain and go to other countries where they appreciate your work as foreigners, your help to improve the economy and your money as immigrants.

@dogglebird4430

17 күн бұрын

The sum total of his allegations against Farage consist of 1. He is a friend of Trump, and 2. He appeared on RT (like many other political figures - Jeremy Corbyn, Vince Cable, David Davis etc). A nothing burger. Tim Wilson is not a genuine British professor. He was given the title by ....RUSSIA. He's an animator. Maybe his Russian links should be investigated.

He is entitled to his opinion.

i thought this country had had enough of experts????!!!!😉

@albertliu1068

17 күн бұрын

Your doctor is an expert. Your nurse is an expert. Your surgeon is an expert. Your lawyer is an expert. Your accountant is an expert. So I guess you don't need any of them!

@wayneford2481

17 күн бұрын

No thatis only the tory griffters.

@mickeythompson9537

17 күн бұрын

That was the Tory Scum... they've gone now.

@stephanguitar9778

17 күн бұрын

That's the right wing nut jobs.

@user-ol6rd7pl5t

17 күн бұрын

What we need is a government that listens to them & implements the advice that they're using taxpayer's money to get, hopefully that's going to change now the adults are back in the room.

He never mentioned Brexit

Maybe even Boris can learn something! but then again. 🤔🙄😒........

Liz, we are still part of the EU science projects, and we can still access its funding

@ab-ym3bf

17 күн бұрын

Only partly. Not all is open for non eu members.

@henna6126

17 күн бұрын

but the UK is paying for the privilege as associate and will not get extra funding from as A member and never have the chairmanship of the science projects as they did before all that is divided btw EU member states science groups the UK has no longer the privilege to lead any Horizon Europe projects as they did as member as they only associates as any 3rd country the Horizon Europe decides which projects they are included and the leader of that project will from EU member state period so please read the UK/EU agreement on Horizon Europe on the EU commission web page to gain full knowledge and to know the UK is less then what used to be as A member and that does not get the extra funds they used to get and the privilege they used to have as to be leader of science projects in Horizon Europe that privilege is gone after Brexit and the UK chose with that vote to become just any other 3rd country as far as the EU concern oh and I am astounded you did not follow the UK papers lamenting about this agreement how the UK is paying more then before and that the UK will not longer any leading roll of any science projects in Horizon Europe and will only an associate member . greetings fro citizen of EU 27.

Interestingly the EU is talking about adding a 5th freedom to include Research, Innovation and Education. So moving to the UK would only isolate talent from that freedom pool. I guess Patrick Valance didnt read Enrico Letta's report?

@trident6547

17 күн бұрын

Is that the one called " Much more than a market"?

@Richard1A2B

17 күн бұрын

​@@trident6547Yes that's the report.

Sadly FOM is history

Yay!!!!

Good

😂 money money 🤑

Relaxing visa rules is not “freedom of movement”. Click bait.

@byrnemeister2008

17 күн бұрын

Indeed. Baby steps is what we should expect.

@Ooze-cl5tx

16 күн бұрын

@@byrnemeister2008 yes, baby steps, unsurprisingly accompanied with constant whining and crying.

Brex**it.... Theatre of the absurd.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

Ant brexit, avalanche of lies and fear mongering.

Doesn't matter what Sir Patrick thinks. Sir Keith says rejoin will not happen in his lifetime, which is probably more power than he's meant to admit having tbh. But it's not going to happen no matter how we feel about it. Probably want to put ideas like rejoin by stealth out of your mind too. That's just the sort of thing Torygraph and Speccy readers enjoy seeing so they can indulge their angry gammon tendency. It's not really going to happen.

Cor someone talking absolute truth But must look to properly rejoin EU But we have another PM with no clue and no backbone Rejoin Full freedom of movement or no movement at all Country has no hope until we fully rejoin

And Mandy's past is dodgy as a 6 bob note.

Lets have freedom of movement, i would leave tomorrow somewhere like Sweden 🇸🇪.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

Not going to happen. The UK electorate has rejected it.

@matthewrice3432

8 күн бұрын

​@@rebeccanoble6797until the democratic process gives us another chance, eh rebecca😉

Sounds just like Starmer.............free movement so what happens if there is another lockdown

Free movement. lol. We’ve just imported 2m in the last two years. Only 15% of which work. There is your freedom of movement.

@lizwebstersbf

17 күн бұрын

We need immigration because the working age is shrinking as people have less kids and live longer. We have too many old people.

@Kantomirdes

17 күн бұрын

Please show evidence that "only 15% work". Go on. Show me you are not yet another of the many English liars. Glad you left.

@ab-ym3bf

17 күн бұрын

That is immigration, not FOM.

@ab-ym3bf

17 күн бұрын

You don't even know how many people come into the country, since the UK doesn't do registration, just winging it with estimates. The 2m must have been pulled from a dark personal space, as is the 15%, since no proper sources come up with those numbers.

@lizwebstersbf

17 күн бұрын

@@ab-ym3bf we have FoM within the U.K. and further afield with Ireland. Having FoM with the large continent that we are part of only makes us more successful. Baby boom generation are living longer and had less kids, our working age is shrinking and many have left U.K. too for better life in Canada, Australia etc.

He mustn't be allowed to get away with it why is he a lord?

@Kantomirdes

12 күн бұрын

Get away with what Brexitard? Get away with telling some unpleasant truths about your miserable failure called Brexshit?

I listened to Vallance and he made no reference to Brexit or freedom of movement, nor does the transcript show these words have been used. Why are you suggesting he did?

@stshnie

17 күн бұрын

I think Liz was reading out what’s been written in The Spectator. Just google PV’s name and you can get to the article. It’s utter rubbish. Desperate stuff from their gossip columnist, ‘serving up the latest tittle tattle from Westminster and beyond’.

This jobs for the boys is a disgrace. Yeah, from one Sir to another, and an anti Brexiteer to boot.

@lizwebstersbf

17 күн бұрын

He’s a scientist who understands a great deal and wants the country to succeed. Brexit is a disaster.

@dougaltolan3017

17 күн бұрын

It's takes proven worth to become a baronet or knight (to be addressed as sir). The last "jobs for the boys" club was just public school a-holes, the only requirement is daddy's money.

@aob4214

17 күн бұрын

😂

@Ooze-cl5tx

16 күн бұрын

@@lizwebstersbf You need to learn that in the brexiteers mind any expert is a demon to be slayn with holy water.

Tories, like the ones who read The Spectator, don't like experts ( elitists ). They'd rather the science ministry be run by Nadine Dorres, or possibly Roy Chubby Brown. As long as they're thick and vote Tory. That's the important thing, after all.

Negotiating reciprocal freedom of movement with the EU will be the first step and an important signal if intent towards eventual membership by the UK of the SM and CU.

@trident6547

17 күн бұрын

Would you kindly point to the articles in the Treaty of EU and the EEA treaty that allows third countries to join the single market and the customs union. Furthermore, since it is the EU commission that negotiates all trade agreements on behalf of all the memberstates, will UK withdraw from the CPTPP agreement and all its other trade agreement and accept the ECJ as the court to wich it is accountable since UK as a third country cannot establish a supranational court like the EFTA court outside of the EEA. In real life all what you write is wishful thinking. None of that is negotiable outside membership of EU or EFTA.

@adampeckham8541

17 күн бұрын

​​@@trident6547So if we rejoined the EEA/Single market we'd have to give up all our other FTAs? Would leaving the CPTPP be a massive drama seeing as it's only projected to have a 0.04% positive gdp impact to the UK economy over 15 years and we already had FTAs with majority of countries in it? Not being facetious, genuine question

@epincion

17 күн бұрын

Simply not happening FOM only comes with membership.

@epincion

17 күн бұрын

@@trident6547What a laugh you are if you think the CPTPP is worth a hill of beans to the UK economy.

@ab-ym3bf

17 күн бұрын

​You cannot rejoin the eea/SM so the rest of the post is irrelevant.

Labour don't want to talk about brexit

@mobsiesixsixsix9785

17 күн бұрын

Erm he is literally talking about Brexit.

@b62boom1

17 күн бұрын

There's no one as deaf as those who don't want to hear. Pay attention.

@davelocktalk

17 күн бұрын

@@mobsiesixsixsix9785 is he part of the labour party?

@mobsiesixsixsix9785

17 күн бұрын

@@davelocktalk Yes, he's the science minister. It literally says it in the video title.

@davelocktalk

17 күн бұрын

@mobsiesixsixsix9785 Yeah, I just watched the video, I don't think it will make any difference what he says. It's what's in the labour party manifesto. They won't talk about it and the only way to get the uk back on it's feet will be to rejoin the customs Union and free movement! It's not going to happen under labour! We need the liberal Democrats in!

We will return to the EU.

@Kantomirdes

17 күн бұрын

Most of you yes. First Northern Ireland. Then Scotland.

@matthewrice3432

17 күн бұрын

Softly, softly... but yes.👍

@Ooze-cl5tx

16 күн бұрын

@@Kantomirdes Scotland just threw it away in this GE by voting overwhelmingly for an anti-EU westminster unionist party. And Mr. Sir Starmer already said "no border poll for NI" - exactly what was to be expected of a unionist party leader.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

@@Kantomirdes So you think NI will be independent of the UK? and Scotland? And they will both apply for EU membership? ... Yeah. right.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

@@Ooze-cl5tx Starmer has recognised the obvious. The conditions for a border poll are far from met. And the uk is not going to "rejoin" the EU.

Shouldnt worry about the Spectator. It's just a mouthpiece of the extreme right. CP Snow tried that in 1964. Maybe Vallence will be more s. If there were more people with science background in and get rid of those with PPE which Is a rubbish discipline rather like Media Studies which only gets you jobs in Talktv and GBN Spectator and rubbish hate channels like that

Whatever a few people want the majority of people in the UK want to go back into the EU and this is where our future belongs

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

If you want to believe that you are free to do so, of course. But I do not. I do not buy the "polls" any more than I did before we voted to leave the EU. We are not going to rejoin the EU, regardless of your cherished beliefs.

@hoffmancapote

9 күн бұрын

@@rebeccanoble6797 you talk as if there is some kind of benefit not being in the EU. There is no benefit at all. We have become poorer, our health system has fallen through the floor, we have restricted trade we have lost the ability to travel and work in 27 other lands and worst of all most of the people have become even more narrow minded. This is why there is a good chance we go back some day. Because it has no positives. Should you use the argument freedom to make our own laws. Well look at Boris and Sunak and immediately you have the answer. A total mess

@matthewrice3432

8 күн бұрын

​@@hoffmancapote👍👍👍👍

I'm dismayed that you haven't expressed anger at Labour appointing unelected people as government ministers. They've done this by the expedient of appointing them to the House of Lords, the same House of Lords that Labour have always said they want to abolish. Patrick Vallance served previously as an advisor to the government on scientific matters, and there's been no explanation of why he couldn't have continued in that same role.

@lizwebstersbf

17 күн бұрын

Because ministers make decisions. Appointing decision makers who are experts is in my view expedient.

@stshnie

17 күн бұрын

A quick look online reveals that on 4 April 2018 Patrick Vallance began his five-year tenure as Chief Scientific Adviser to the UK Government, replacing the interim officeholder Chris Whitty. And in 2023 the Cabinet Secretary announced that Dame Angela McLean had been selected by the Prime Minister as the new Government Chief Scientific Adviser after an open competition, to succeed Sir Patrick Vallance. McLean is the first woman to be appointed to this post. So his old job has gone to someone perfectly capable. They’d have to invent some other kind of job title to carry out your suggestion, Colin. Why?

@lcolinwilson8347

17 күн бұрын

@@stshnie : if the earlier role still exists and it's gone to someone else who is perfectly capable, the question then is why a non-MP needs to be appointed to the ministerial role.

@stshnie

16 күн бұрын

@@lcolinwilson8347 Dame Angela McLean is a mathematical biologist, Professor Vallance’s background is in medical research, teaching medicine, pharmaceutical research and development, and policy more broadly. At Glaxo Smith Kline he was head of drug discovery and then head of R&D. Apparently ‘he championed open innovation and novel industry-academic partnerships globally, and maintained a focus on the search for new antibiotics and treatments for tropical diseases’ He was elected an HonFREng in 2022. This ‘is an award and fellowship for engineers who are recognised by the Royal Academy of Engineering as being the best and brightest engineers, inventors and technologists in the UK and from around the world to promote excellence in engineering and to enhance and support engineering research, policy formation, education and entrepreneurship and other activities that advance and enrich engineering in all its forms’. The responsibilities of the Ministerial role are science & research, innovation, intellectual property, space, agri-tech and technology. So he seems ideally suited to this particular job. The previous incumbent (Tory) was Andrew Griffith MP who is a chartered accountant with a law degree and a background in banking and finance. This appointment is a huge improvement. Oh, and the government is allowed to have the input of more than one scientist.

More piss and wind; from a Labour imposter.

@lizwebstersbf

17 күн бұрын

Vallance has joined Labour, he’s not an imposter.

@michaelmayo3127

17 күн бұрын

@@lizwebstersbf I hope you are right Lize, but I really have my doubts about Starmer. If he wants closer ties to the EU, then he will have to make radical changes. Changes that will possible go against his beliefs. E,g P/R and making sure, that any deals with the EU; are not only carried by the Labour party; but are also supported by the Lib-dems, Greens and any other EU interest parties. And this will require a true will, to give and take. Keep-up the good works Lize. 👍👍

@lizwebstersbf

17 күн бұрын

@@michaelmayo3127 I’m enjoying feeling optimistic for now but ultimately I recognise that Brexit has ensured beyond U.K. - the world is being restructured.

Keep up the good work Liz

If 85% of the UK public were on board with rejoining the EU, then, maybe the EU would try to build the bridges burned by Brexit . Otherwise, no. Too much risk that the next Conservative govt would simply repeat the debacle of 2016.

@Kantomirdes

16 күн бұрын

Why should the EU try to rebuild bridges that the Brits burned on purpose? Not our problem. Brexit is a blessing for the EU. Now bring home euro clearing and make the Brits lose that.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

85% lol. the greatest UK turnout to ANY eu election was 38.6%

@bikeman9899

9 күн бұрын

@rebeccanoble6797 Yeah, that's part of the problem for the UK. Ppl don't really understand about the EU, and don't really care. Because of that, opinion is easier to manipulate. Until a clear majority are in favor, there will be no appetite on the EU side to have the UK rejoin. Don't see it happening for generations.

Thing is, not even a minister has any say in the matter. There is a process, and a long queue.

@dougaltolan3017

17 күн бұрын

That's exactly not how it works.

Lovely visas you got here ans rules . I would never ever in 1million years come from Germany 🇩🇪 ..... why ??? Give me only one reason ... one good reason ... 😂😂 you cant

@hoWa3920

17 күн бұрын

It's about scientists, it's not about you.

@EllieD.Violet

17 күн бұрын

​@@hoWa3920German scientists have exactly ZERO reason to go the UK - if they work on a HORIZON related programme, in the UK they never can lead a programme, but only cooperate second tier. No HORIZON programme can be lead by a UK based scientist/institution, since associated membership only. Greetings from civilization 🇪🇺

@marleneMS

17 күн бұрын

​@hoWa3920 he/she might be a scientist don't you think. We do have them in Germany, actually very good ones

@EllieD.Violet

17 күн бұрын

@@marleneMS Exactly. The 2 Biontech owners who delivered the best Covid Vac are a Turkish immigrant and a German 2nd generation immigrant.

@hoWa3920

17 күн бұрын

@@marleneMS Reading her/his post I knew this is not a scientist. German top science in general is not on the same level allthough we have very good ones.

So?

Pffft experts, what do they know.

@dougaltolan3017

17 күн бұрын

That's the dilemma.. While they don't know 💩, they know tons of 💩.

@user-ol6rd7pl5t

17 күн бұрын

@@dougaltolan3017 I was being sarcastic, they're called exoerts for a reason, they know more thsn most on the subjects they're experts on, that's why we consult them & that's ehy we should listen to the advice they give.

@dougaltolan3017

16 күн бұрын

@@user-ol6rd7pl5t You we're being sarcastic? Yeah, I guessed. 👍 Thats where you got the 👍 from. In response, I tried to write a humorous comment. Anyway, hi, have a nice day.

Do other 3rd countries that have the same status as the Uk within EU programs have FOM for their citizens using those programs? If yes, than it will certainly be negotiable for the uk. If no, why would the EU need to make an exception for the uk?

@trytellingthetruth.2068

17 күн бұрын

Free movement just meant free movement of cheap labour.

@brianferguson7840

17 күн бұрын

​@@trytellingthetruth.2068 What a ridiculous and ignorant statement. Freedom of movement allowed education, training and migration possibilities for any citizen of member states. I migrated to France 20 years ago with no paperwork, permissions or restrictions, I now have citizenship and a profitable career and new life in the European Union which the young people of Britain can never now have.

@alansdorsetfossils4028

17 күн бұрын

@@trytellingthetruth.2068 well there is no doubt that we need cheap labour if we can get it. Expensive food production means you and I pay more for the food on our plates. That pushes up inflation. If our food bill's go up we become poorer do we not? The question I would ask you is that a Brexit promise was British jobs for British people. Why are all the farmers having crops rotting in the fields. Where are all the British workers who supported Brexit so the foreigners could be got rid of and why are they not filling the farm labour vacancies?

@trytellingthetruth.2068

17 күн бұрын

@@peterholden3672 'Labour should not be the champion of EU free movement'. by Richard Johnson. Quote. "The policy of unregulated economic migration within the EU should be rejected because of its disproportionately negative impact on low skilled British workers". close quote. You should have a read up, you may well learn something, but then again, maybe not.

@trytellingthetruth.2068

17 күн бұрын

@@alansdorsetfossils4028 So as long as you can earn a decent living, to ensure you don't need to work a 60 hour week to make ends meet, its ok for those coming into the country to be used as cheap labour just so your weekly shop stays below a certain amount. And the left call us on the right extremists.

WTF is that doing the interviewing, slouching, gurning, cackling ? Is it possible to sit up straight, position oneself respectfully, check in a mirror before going on camera, etc.?

360p?

The vast majority of the population would like to be in the single market and customs union, together with the free movement that would entail. Starmer should man up and make these moves. OK, there will be a few hard core Brexiters who don't like it but so what, let them just get even angrier and ignore them. Brexit wasn't even sold to us as leaving the SM and CU so it's not even "betraying" those who voted Leave and - for some obscure reason - are still happy they did so.

@ab-ym3bf

16 күн бұрын

Have you found out yet, from the thousands of posts in all comment sections, that it doesn't really matter what majority in the UK wants to be a member of the SM? Simply because it is not an available option from the EU side?

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

Vast majority? Oh, I see. You've fallen for the "polls" ... "The 'polls' the 'polls' " ... quasimodo. ..

Remember when Govey said, 'We've had enough of experts.' The Tory government already on a downward spiral, continued even faster on its downward spiral.

@rebeccanoble6797

10 күн бұрын

"Experts" who saw the credit crunch coming? "Experts" who churn out endless twaddle "reports" about the UK economy, like the OBR? who never get ANYTHING right? That who you mean? Experts like Grayling? Who think they know better than the UK electorate and swan around pontificating at us? We've had enough of them.

Please Starmer, at least consider joining the single market

@frankoneill5675

17 күн бұрын

Not possible, whatever he considers

@ab-ym3bf

17 күн бұрын

Tiresome display of ignorance.

@smxlad

17 күн бұрын

@@frankoneill5675it is if we accept freedom of movement. The country has been destroyed through Brexit

@frankoneill5675

17 күн бұрын

@@smxlad It isn't, regardless of what you accept. The four freedoms are indivisible, central benefits of the EU Single Market, and not available to non-members. The way to SM is as an EU member only.

@smxlad

16 күн бұрын

@@frankoneill5675Norway and Switzerland aren’t in the EU You do t have to be a meme we state. Just accept the 4 pillars. Which I totally agree with and understand. What’s your point ?

We won't get a return to freedom of movement as we knew it during this parliament, or likely the next either. What we could get is make it easier for scientific researchers, touring musicians, people visiting trade fairs etc to move around Europe and the UK.

@ab-ym3bf

17 күн бұрын

Uk is Europe

@stshnie

17 күн бұрын

Yes, I think that’s what he is talking about here.