Lawrence: "Fine, I'll do it myself." Looking forward to seeing the new detachment in action! Great way to start my Saturday!

A hell of a lot more interesting than the patch job fix GW are calling an "Index" - Nice work Spider - They look fun and very playable without any OP abilities that normally can be a byproduct of custom made rules.

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Glad to hear. It was intended to make them fun to use and decent enough to compete with. Nothing too crazy!

@LoneWolf20213

Ай бұрын

@@tabletoptactics do you plan to work on the thousand sons next, many people complain about the lack of phykic dreadnoughts in the army making them almost not worth bringing, which is odd considering they do exist

@Luciusthestorms

6 күн бұрын

@@tabletoptactics have you made any updates to the index lately? Wondering what icons would do under this new index since the EC don't seem to use dark pacts.

@tabletoptactics

6 күн бұрын

@Luciusthestorms I haven’t updated it since the game. There are a few things I would change already, such as re-rolls 1s to hit in combat or ranged attacks instead of the +1WS or +1BS. I would have to take a look at icons too :)

@LoneWolf20213

6 күн бұрын

@@tabletoptactics do you plan to change the thousand sons, their dreadnauts are especially bad

i feel people would rather play by tabletop tactics rules instead of the official due to the fact these rules were made by fans who understand the army better than GW will ever be able to

Haven't watched yet but read the rules and they're really cool - the Revelry in Discord enhancement especially is an awesome idea! Interesting use of battleshock

@Malllttt

Ай бұрын

Screaming ravens rule pack when?

@warp-smith

Ай бұрын

Hi Paul!! I think u should do something like this w screaming ravens!

@PaulIsBadAtStuff

Ай бұрын

​@@warp-smith I did lmao. At least a first draft. I made a video about it

@warp-smith

Ай бұрын

@@PaulIsBadAtStuff ahh my bad- I think I was busy when it came out- I’ll give it a look tho!

It’s awesome to see you spearheading community rules packs, complete with play testing. Would love to see more!

Great to see Lawrence with his beloved Emperors Children!❤

David Bowie singing on 40k. You guys made my day 😂😂😂

COME AND SING THE SONG OF SLAANESHHH!!!

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

🎵 🎵

@warp-smith

Ай бұрын

Saxophone playing intensifies 🎷🎷

@demon1103

Ай бұрын

Memories of Maraviglia creep back in............*shudders*

@michaelhansen2309

Ай бұрын

THINGS SHALL GET LOUD NOW! 🎸🎸

Great content recently. Well worth my on demand subscription. Thanks TT!

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Enjoy and thanks for the support :)

I loved watching this. I am happy to the attention on the EC army and the sheer enjoyment yall have. We need more of that good sportsmanship and fun.

Really great rules Lawrence! I think the only thing I would change is have any leader that can lead chosen can lead noise marines, so you can have a sorcerer or Fabius Bile as well. I can't wait to try these rules myself!

never watched tabletop tactics, but i love the energy of the guy piloting the aeldari, hes got the energy of a cbbc/horrible history presenter in the best way possible

That's a really cool homebrew however I do have a concern: the +1 to ballistic (and I think also weapon even if it didn't came out during this play) seems to be a bit much, it gives a lot of fire power especially considering the "ignore malus" rule. I suggest a fix with: reroll 1s to hit for ranged/melee weapons.

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback, could definitely change it to that :)

Loved the idea of this detachment! Specially that it does have good powerful things without relying on rerolls. Super cool stuff!

Was awesome to see the Spider having fun with his new toys. Any game with Bard is always a pleasure as well. Thanks legends for a great battle.

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your support my friend :)

Nice to see the Spider doing battle again! Go evil one! LAUGHT, PRANCE... RIP the reality asunder!

Having had a watch and a read, I think its a cracking effort at homebrew rules. Hoooooowever, my immediate feeling is its overtuned slightly. Army wide ignore modifiers is hellishly strong. Especially into Eldar for example where their entire defensive agency is built largely around modifiers, especially when combined with + to hit, or also ignore cover. I would probably replace the ignore modifiers with something else but I can't say what, thematically, that would be. Criticals to hit and wound on 5s maybe? Fatal Sonancy felt cheap. The ability to throw out mortal wounds is still very strong. The change I'd make however is make it cheaper and better, go off on 3s but one use per battle. The strats however all feel on point. I'd possibly change sonic grenades to -1 to hit on the charging unit when they attack, rather than -2 to charge. But thats just an opine, it certainly isn't broken. Hellbrute change looks good. Minor addendum needed on the elixirs. My assumption is the +1 strength is melee only? That's my take on the rules and honestly think you've done a great job with both this and the Harlequin detachments and would love to see you all take a crack at some other armies that are sat waiting for codices.

Others here mentioned this as well: the +1 to ballistics skill seems very strong. A possible suggestion for balance would be that for shooting in that turn, the unit must pass a leadership test (perhaps with some sort of bonus) or not be able to take advantage of it. This kinda fits the them of the army and some of the other rules. The flavor being that they cranked the noise so loud that even they got distracted. The idea could apply to any other rule/strat as a minor balance shift.

I dont know if its been said but +1 to WS/BS alongside ignore modifiers is crazy good, maybe rerolling 1s would be a better option. Also the main rule is like the doctrine equivalents many armys have but instead of 3 for 3 turns its 5 for 5, I would drop the FNP and the +1 move if I was making the decision. I think bringing that in line and fixing the +WS/BS thing would make a really solid but balanced ruleset in line with what we see elsewhere. Regardless its great work and I hope we get something this interesting when the book eventually drops.

The Srar Lance song and the fit of laughter that followed are shining examples of why I still watch this channel when I've given up on almost all other battle report channels. You guys have fun and it makes it fun.

Been saying it forever, 40K can be easily fixed from Community ruling and homebrew, only tryharders and gatekeepers are against it, happy to see a pillar and expert stepping up to the plate to lead the way, well done!

that Lucius model looks great would love to know how to make one myself

Amazing battle ! Love the content and the amount of fun you guys have when playing. I love to see the emperor´s children on the battlefield in all their glory! I really want to paint some myself but i am new to the hobby and i cant find any like the ones you guys have.... Keep the good content up .

Great fun to watch. Fyi - Banshee's have 4+ Invul against melee attacks, but easily forgotten amongst all the carnage and laughter.

I'm sure someone else has said it but the Blastmaster Single Frequency is 3 shots, not 1 Love seeing EC on the tabletop

I love your emperor's children army, Lawrence. It inspired me to start my own. I'm building it cautiously because I don't know what would be included in a codex but I'm very excited.

Can't wait for the EC codex to release!!!

Great battle rep and I love the painting jobs of the both armies

Okay but in all genuine seriousness, I'll be using any data slates and detachment lists you folks make. The quality and balance of your battle reports shows that you've got a real talent for making better things than GW, and I'm all for it. Love to see your work in the future!

I love this! Been playing EC since I started in 8th and it is cool to see them having fun and fluffy rules! Great job with that Lawrence. :)

I love creativity in 40K. I miss it being a bit silly. Excited for this.

Loved this one as it's my old army vs a version of one I'm working on now. That moment in turn 2 when the dreadnaught ignored the d cannon shot almost made me shout out give me the d thankfully I'm supposed to be a grown up so settled for a quiet chuckle.

I clicked on the vid like "what new rules? Gw just put a 2 sheets index that says 'play generic chaos lol'" then you open with "well we made our own!" "Oooh, now im interested, carry on!" Great content ^^

That was awesome! Great job on the detachment! Doing Geedubs job better than they do! Would be keen to see more for armies that are spending too long waiting for something new!

Great job Lawrence, this looks very interesting!

Woo! More cool homebrew rules like this and the custodes pls!!!

GW: "What's your source on all these cool new rules?" Lawrence: "My source is that I made it the f*ck up!"

YES.... as an EC player...Im very interested in your detachment idea + references to old EC options + love Spiders Army... I've just been using Zealots detachment.. all infanty have Mark of Slannesh, all vehicles ( landrider + Laz Pred) + transports ( rhinos) with the mark of Noise (nurgle) as 5+ Susstained affects firing deck weapons .. it has worked well.. but only had 3 games of Pariah Nexus

I think the rules are well done. They remind me of Gladius Marines how they can choose their ability based on what will be handy to have each turn.

I love these rules ya made! They aren't OP, but they're clearly pretty tough, but very cool. Also using a lot of staple rules we know and repeating some stratagems well.

My two armies fighting? This can only be great!

Great Work! Really want to try these out. FYI though... you forgot to add the OC 2 for Noise Marines into the document :)

Nice Batrep! Good job on the flavor of the rules

I so believe an EC list should have less vehicles and add some termies. Of course also include fulgrim.

Good fun! And a good reminder that for super-official and balanced isn’t the most important part of playing toy soldiers with friends.

I really enjoy your Community Index for Emperor's Children. It all feels very balanced and thematic. I'm especially enamored with the name for your army rule, "Adorn the Canvas Eclectic." Brilliant! I was curious about your Strategem, "Intoxicating Allure." Did you consider making it a dice roll to prevent an enemy unit from Falling Back instead of forcing a Desperate Breakout?

i do love the "temptation dice" of hedonites of slaanesh in AoS , hopefully they get something similar in 40k

Hears lash of submission, gets instant ptsd.

Thanks guys. Super fun. Do you ever think about doing a kill team game?

Fantastic and flavorful rules - you really DID do GW's job. Love this for constructive ways of criticizing the official laziness, much like common sense and balanced D&D homebrew.

I think Lawrence has made a great detachment. I'd like to see it against a better matchup. It literally seems to negate every Eldar advantage at a time when they already have equal attacks at less hit and wound chance on more fragile platforms. This game wasn't as close as the players seemed to think it was.

Read the rules and loved it Its perfection 😉 Only had one thing to comment and that is the super good Enhancement Fatal Sonancy. It should be 30-35p not 20p Right now its a must have in your army. You could downgrade it att keep it thematic instead and do 6 dice on 6+

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback - yeah could make it go off on 6+ for sure :)

@bobbywatson2737

Ай бұрын

​@tabletoptactics : I think 20pts is quite balanced ; the stat is on average 2MW for 20pts, that seems ok, 30pts or more would be overpriced.

@bobbywatson2737

Ай бұрын

6dices on 6+ would be 1MW on average. For 20pts it would be far overpriced !

Good stuff Lawrence (and of course Bard as well).

Love this - looking forward to trying it out.

who makes that amazing Lucius mini?

Would you consider to make a format where you routinely try out the homebrew from your subscribers to see how they work?

Now, all we need is some homebrew Fulgrim rules😜, jokes aside. i think the rules look great!

A great game! Love these custom rules for the Emperor's Children! I do have a warhammer related question, but it's not about the game. Do you folks have any interest in playing Wrath and Glory for your next TTRPG?

Where is the lucius the eternal model from? It's amazing, best I've seen of him

@bobbywatson2737

Ай бұрын

It's a unique conversion from Siege Studio iirc

ok but where are you getting the intro music from your videos always have bangers

EC have so much Potential. Its just discouraging that they need soooo lang for the second wave of these armies like with world eaters

These rules seem fun, decently powerful (but not overpowered) and GW should steal them. The fact that their rules team couldn't come up with something even remotely similar when you just sat down for half a day makes me think that they probably didn't try at all. Which then makes me hope that Emperor's Children aren't too far out and actual rules are already being written for them. I know, I'm a dreamer.

this is AWSOME. Thanks Lawrence!!!😃

If you keep fixing the rules like this (loved the Custodes batrep) I might end up watching and playing this game again. 😏

About Fatal Sonancy, I think 20 pts is probably too much actually, given that for free you have access to the grenade strat. I guess the only difference between them is that you can use that in addition to the Grenades strat and presumably in combat. But it's also possible that you can not get any mortal wounds out of it, even over multiple turns, so that's why I don't think this is worth it. Perhaps just change it to a 20pts item that you just automatically inflict D3 mortal wounds on a target if within range. As to all your special rules in general. It kinda just feels you have taken essentially the Blessing of Khorne mechanic and made it your own with a bit of Emperor's Children flair. It's interesting I suppose, but honestly I would probably just take the Feel No Pain response the entire game through. I mean, at some point being BS2+ but ignoring modifiers to hit feels just superfluous, and while the WS or BS change is cool (but once again ignoring to hit modifiers in conjunction with that feels, while not OP does feel lacklustre in comparison) I can't really think of any situation where I would want that over the fnp, even the small fnp anyway (I am trying to think of other sources that give fnp within the army).

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback :) It is quite similar to the grenade strat, which is what makes it a little more tricky to keep unique and balanced. I’ll have a think :)

Hmm. Bard's rolling vs. Spider's rolling. Wonder how that'll go? :P

i hope you have sent your rules to GW, Lawrence :)

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

I may as well 😄

@kimsebimse6603

Ай бұрын

@@tabletoptactics i know you say in the video that you hope GW is watching it or something along those lines.. if i were you i would make sure they saw it by sending it in :D just saying :)

Eating all the soulstones like candy

I really would like to know where you got the custom helmets for the elder. I would love to get my hands on some for my army

some times i feel the armys have detachment or army rules to compensate foer things built into their points cost. but who knows.

I have a question: on minute 1:01:00 in the Aeldari turn you are attacking Noise Marines with Jain Zar and howling banshees in an attached unit. When you resolve Jain Zar attacks you use the Aeldari reroll and then you use it again with the hit roll of the banshee Exarch. Is it correct? Because I thought that as an attached unit you could use only one reroll, because core rules say that attached unit count as one single unit. Thank you

The name of the detachment is redundant. May I offer an alternative? Profligacy Perfected

Wow! Love the Lucius model!

Love it the sons of Slannesh vs the Parents of Slannesh

My 10th ed faction are Emperor's children/CSM... I painted all my boys in "burn your eyes out" 🩷 pink. From the first game my pink hell brute got the name Kurt Cobain. Bloody amazing at what he does but.... always fails dark pacts and hazardous so..... Yep he deads himself.

Greetings from Germany Great to see the EC Rules. I like it. Go on and add Fulgrim. And maybe a EC Sonic Version of the Forgefiend. Or a Sonic Version of a tank.

Magic disappearing die at 18:46

I approve these EC Army rules…!

I really hope they remake the sonic dreadnought into a new helbrute kit when EC are updated

I'm going to play it next week.

Hell yeah!! I love this concept

As a relatively newer player that loves EC, thanks for not only a cool glimpse into some older rules they used to have, but also for doing the work GW could have done at a bare minimum!

This is awesome Lawrence!

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Thanks, glad you like it :)

Now this is how to start the weekend. :D

Very good battle rerport! These EC rules seem so offical, and awesome. :) GW use Spider's idea! Though i wish there was more focus on other aspects of slaanesh, not just sound. On a side note, it so irritating that Asuryani are called Aeldari in the codex, the same as the name of the whole race. It makes Dark Eldar/Druhkari as if they aren't Aeldari. So confusing.

@xandermcdonald8543

Ай бұрын

Actually, Dark Eldar do have the aeldari keyword too, it comes up when playing an Ynnari army that can have up to half the army as Dark Eldar as the detachment rule and many of the stratagems can target any Aeldari unit including the dark eldar (most rules that let you include other factions, like daemons in CSM, don’t work like this). Very useful to get those rerolls on dark lances

@bastionwargaming7965

Ай бұрын

@@xandermcdonald8543 Agree. :) I'm aware of them havig the Aeldari keyword, but the names are misleading. Aeldari is the name of the whole race not just Asuryani. It's even weider when there are a codex Aeldari and Drukhari separately, strengthening the idea of Drukhari not belonging to the same race. :) So, I'm not talking abut the rules, bur rather lore. :)

That moment when you both broke down after the 'star lance' song tickled me something fierce, laughter truly is infectious

Those rules seem fun :D

Did you change the blastmaster single frequency? You didn’t mention that change, but you only took one shot with it (at least in turn 1) and it normally had 3 shots

Banshees get a 4+ invun against melee attacks!

Homebrew rules are just as valid as GW’s as long as everyone agrees to it! They’re just plastic toys and dice, do what you will with them!

The emperor has spoken

Pleeeease add some new Eldar models! And please don't leave the shining spears in the open for no reason :,(

Iam planing to do the same for Inquisition/Agents, because the Agents rules are dumb and make no sense. Since we are playing a Crusade campaign right now the need to balance it is well secondary. xD

Can anyone show me how to make my aeldari like this guys? I love that the shining spears have the wraith lord look!

Man makes custom rules. Man wins game. A tale as old as time. To be more constructive. If you manage to use every single option and strategem in a single game, then the collective package is overpowered even if no single part appears to be. Every single turn you leant into your new rules, which means every single turn they gave you an edge and there was no fat - it was all meat. The game was over on turn 1 when you won initiative and were able to double-down on that advantage by adding +1 to your "ignores all modifier" shooting phase.

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Thanks for the feedback :) I actually didn’t get to use every strat but managed to pull off quite a few, which was of course deliberate on my part as I wanted to show them off. As for turn 1, I didn’t actually destroy that much, it was hardly an alpha strike. These sorts of things should be curbed by LOS blocking terrain which is why I didn’t get to nuke everything turn 1. The Aeldari list could have used some further tuning too and if James wasn’t so unlucky at critical moments, he could have taken the game I think. Either way, fun to test it all out :)

Lawrence one hell of a professional fantastic Emperor's Children balance rules - home brewed with a slight tweaking to fit snuggly in with Prime Nexus cards, etc , than Games Workshop how have Failed Hobby Gamer's not doing anythink constructive for along time for this beloved army how deserve to be upgraded & have new better model figure's & one's more well done Lawrence for a fabulous army & to everyone else for a awesome battle report 🎉👌.

you´ll get a codex soon so I think it would be a waste to have it have an detachment

Looks nice, Spider.

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Thanks mate!

I hbave to admit the rules are pretty good. Seem balanced. I will be talking to a TO about using it in a crusade

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

Awesome :)

How close were you to writing Fulgrim rules?

@tabletoptactics

Ай бұрын

I was very tempted 😅