Wish you would show the role list at the end of games sometimes so that we don't have the mystery of who the other trickster was in that vigi game. Love your videos though

@RammusTF

Жыл бұрын

Yes we need closure

@RandomEnclaveSoldier

Жыл бұрын

He used to do that, but for some reason stopped when ToS2 came out

@jumnei5159

Жыл бұрын

yeah. sucks when there's a Medusa

@anzyroadside2374

Жыл бұрын

I think it's because the end screen in ToS2 is different from that in ToS.

@pyramlinum9514

Жыл бұрын

@@anzyroadside2374 You can still get the role list after the game, though. I watch another youtuber who pulls it up after every game he uploads.

I like that it makes the Pestilence unique from War. It’s more of a rework than a buff, but I like that it makes Pestilence distinct.

@alamand4769

Жыл бұрын

If anything it was a nerf, but I think that's fine since it makes it distinct, and a lot different to play against.

@ocksie

Жыл бұрын

@@alamand4769 a buff in some ways a nerf in others, no more rampages but players now have to be way more careful and not leave their houses some nights out of fear of pestilence stacks killing them

@disc_00

Жыл бұрын

@@ocksie you do not get stack if you visit, but you do if you get visited. At least that's what it says it works like

@stingerdragon1898

Жыл бұрын

@@disc_00 You do get a stack if you visit the pest

@bmobmo6438

Жыл бұрын

Now instead of being a weaker War, Pest is a weaker Famine.

I think the new Pestilence offers space for NA to not get hunted immediately after transforming. It's lethal to leave Pest around for too long, but failing to find it immediately isn't the same type of instant-loss condition that Famine and Death are, and it isn't as scary as an active Bers/War. In that way, it gives NA more of a chance to win by reducing the priority of finding Pest.

@notmewastaken

Жыл бұрын

I think pest is significantly worse than it used to be in the end game but if you can get an early transform in a slow game it can be super bad for town, because there is so much potential to just accidentally have 2 town visit any person and they'll just immediately die Edit: it also has insane synergy with SC if you can get it early, as if SC visits with just one townie, they can kill so basically NA is the ultimate slow game killer with SC and pest and famine

The buff is good for the game's overall health. First, it gives distinction between War and Pest, when before after transforming they are basically the same. Second, it gives Pest the ability to end a game quick after transforming, like Death and Famine can, and it is more fitting to the role of an Apoc. Plus, after gaining some uniqueness, this gives room to buff/rework War to become more effective as well. Maybe it's a nerf to direct killing power for pest, but it's better overall.

@mrbanditos3583

Жыл бұрын

Now if we could do something to Soul Collector(not Death) part then we would end up with pretty healthy and distinctive parts of all Apo faction

Pestilance now feels like the one you wanna try and rush ASAP, reason being is that, if you get pest early, night 3 on a slow game, people can no longer investigate without risk of dying. It forces people to have to try and blindly guess who is who with very minimum info and pest, because he doesn't adhere to damage value, can freely snipe anyone he pleases. I would imagine the pestilence stacking would ignore TP because of it, making it a role that could bypass crus/BG. Which would mean a method of breaking the legendary exodia combo.

@JrTroopa

Жыл бұрын

Plus, the Exodia combo kills themselves in two nights even if you don't touch them.

@Melissanoma

Жыл бұрын

everyone mentioning the change to pestilence, but the buff to plaguebearer is real. raising the priority means on average you transform faster

@legithuman5486

Жыл бұрын

exodia already gets defeated by war bc war has unstoppable attack

At first i didnt like the new look of town of salem 2 but now i think it looks better than the 1st

@azzy8198

Жыл бұрын

It was definitely an adjustment, but I agree it was a good improvement

@ThatOneAnnoyingPubPlayer

Жыл бұрын

My only complaint is that the townie sprites can only face left and right compared to the TOS 1 characters having multiple angles that you can view them from But it's understandable given the newer sprites are a lot higher quality and all have different animations so creating different angles for each is a lot more work than it was in TOS 1

i am happy pestilence is different from war now tho. now each role truly feels unique

@Underworlder5

Жыл бұрын

war: best killing role famine: nukes all but three people instantly pestilence: delayed nuke on visiting roles death: wins game instantly if not lynched

@notmewastaken

Жыл бұрын

​@@Underworlder5What's crazy about pest now is that if 2 people visit the same person that person insta dies

@Halfcertified

11 ай бұрын

@@Underworlder5idk why famine exists tbh, just a worse death

as pestilence has a bow, I feel like pb and pest should have astral visits. The actual source of the plague should be really difficult to find imo if it's going to be a slow killer

@Kosaku-kawajiri

Жыл бұрын

Well, what i know that "pest" like diseases are transmitted by the touch or the contact of the infected being... Maybe on pestilence you are right, but on plague idk.

THANK YOU pipebomb for showing us the NEW PERSTILENCE REWORK

@unm0tivateddumdum

Жыл бұрын

pIPEBOMB????

@_pyrothegod_

Жыл бұрын

@@unm0tivateddumdumyeah, in the townies mailboxes

@user-zp7cd4ie4j

Жыл бұрын

💥

@G.BBY.L

Жыл бұрын

💣

@captaincranch1668

Жыл бұрын

AHHH-💥

Again, thank you pipe for making so many people happy, but for also teaching everyone about town of salem and it's roles/updates.

The new Pest gameplay is actually close to what some players were suggesting. An Apoc role that inhibits visiting. It was suggested to make players too sick to visit, but I think making visiting a game of Russian Roulette for both visitor and target works even better. If you don't die, you KNOW you have 2 stacks now, so you don't dare visit again, only to die because anyone visited you.

@Underworlder5

Жыл бұрын

"SEER STOP tarnation VISITING UR KILLING TOWN"

Being able to kill each night and having the town spread stacks seems like a minor buff. But really, I think the idea was to make them more "pestilency", rather then just a single target nuke guy. It's a great thematic change, I feel!

Fun fact! On the notepad you have a little button on the bottom right that shows each player and you can write stuff about them. You can also hide dead players. Its just more practicle way rather than typing the numbers 1-15 each time.

@farmer_betsy

Жыл бұрын

He knows he just doesn't like it so he doesn't use it

My immediate thought with the "every player gives a stack of pestilence to who they visit" is coven that don't have the book using it to kill NKs, I'm curious to see how the strategy around dealing with an active pestilence evolves.

The reason you did not shoot trickster as vigi was because you were waiting a day before you could actually shoot your gun. The only way to shoot N1 is from a witch.

@BryanLu0

Жыл бұрын

It's kind of weird that they are different because the witch causes you to visit and the trickster causes you to attack, so I don't know why they would act differently

@killerwolf9409

Жыл бұрын

@@BryanLu0 however trickster does also work really weird, people have tricked coven killing and not killed or died

@notmewastaken

Жыл бұрын

​@@BryanLu0I assume it's lorewise because the vigi can't be taunted into shooting their gun early but if they're controlled they obviously have no control over their actions

@alexstewart9592

Жыл бұрын

​@@killerwolf9409Even if they have book, the Witch is immune to being taunted - this is because interfering with the Witch's control ability would create an unintuitive and buggy mess.

@niaford690

Жыл бұрын

@@alexstewart9592 imagine if witch could be taunted, but witches ability still goes off as well (but before trickster in priority incase they target trickster)

I like the new pest, old one felt too similar to war, and practicaly shuts down town for 1-2 nights for fear of spreading plague, old pest could be stopped by a crus tp chain (unless they gave it unstoppable attack, but that's even more like war)

@finna1002

Жыл бұрын

Nah they should've reworked war to make people go berserk and attack a random that night and then the next night.

Previously, Pestilence had a powerful rampaging attack, and a TP chain of Clerics or Crusaders (or interestingly a Potion Master) could survive the rampage. This same strategy works in ToS 1. With the new Pestilence, a TP chain would die after two nights, as the players would spread stacks of pestilence onto each other. Additionally, a protective role won't stop the spreading of pestilence stacks from the Pestilence, so the direct visit from Pestilence is essentially an unstoppable attack.

If pest needs another buff, maybe they could make it so that players can get a second or even a third plaguebearer stack which then turns into a pestilence stack when you transform. Problem with pest is that once you transform people know that they just need to stop visiting, but if players could get stacks before they know not to visit it would make it a lot more powerful imo

7:41 “the shroud ignited the arsonist” 😂

I think it'd be cool if after pest transformed, the pestilence stacks stayed even if they were lynched. He can still kill, but once he's out the damage is done, everyone is gonna suffer. Might need to have a 'transform on next night' thing for him, but he can spread plague fast anyways

@ammonbergevin5302

Жыл бұрын

@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo make it a faster possibility faster transforming death with a slower kill

I think this was the change that pest needed, makes them just powerful enough (especially in a slow game or early transformation) and actually uses the illness theme in the transformed version which is super nice.

I don't know if new pesti is better or worse, but it got some more identity, which is nice.

@Kosaku-kawajiri

Жыл бұрын

Fr if on the day plague become pest there as not a warning, it as better, but this rework basically dont change anything, like before, why will you visit with pest on the lose?? So it as more a nerf, well you can stop exodia combos, and will stop investigative roles, but well why did investigatives will try to visit before the rework and after it become worst

The notepad already has a number list if you press the button in button right it will show a the play numbers. You can even filter it so it automatically removes dead players.

@farmer_betsy

Жыл бұрын

He knows he just doesn't like it, he acknowledged it

THANK YOU [pipton] FOR [showing us] THE NEW PESTILENCE REWORK!

@germany8339

Жыл бұрын

Yooo who let Spamton watch peepton

@epikitee2186

Жыл бұрын

@@germany8339 i feel like spamton would call pipetron "[pipis]TRON" or something like that

I believe this makes Pestilence more on par with the other Apoc roles, Famine and Death where they for the most part wipe out the town. Pestilence may be slow but it's going to be extremely effective in making people stay home and lose the ability to use their roles out of fear for the plague. It's sort of a psychological role-blocker when pestilence transforms and isn't lynched.

THANK YOU PIPETRON FOR PLAYING AS THE REWORKED PESTILENCE IN TOWN OF SALEM

@germany8339

Жыл бұрын

Congrats, your 3rd (I'm 2nd)

@JonasSimp

Жыл бұрын

@@germany8339 congrats we dont care!

@Just_B0red

Жыл бұрын

Thank you JONAS for TELLING us what PIPETRON played as in TOWN OF SALEM

@JonasSimp

Жыл бұрын

@@Just_B0red THANK YOU MEH FOR THANKING ME FOR THANKING PIPETRON FOR PLAYING REWORKED PESTILENCE IM TOWN OF SALEM 2

thank you pipton for showing us the NEW PESITILENCE REWORK as the PLAGUEBEARER role...

12 in the first game had to be lying about tracking 6 to 8 because they didn't get plagued. One of the most important things to remember about PB is that plague can help show you who is and isn't a visiting role as well as verify who they visited

The buff seems really cool, makes pest feel more like a "pest" and fits the apoc roles sense most of them are about everyone dying really quickly, aka fam and death. Gives pest more of a uniqueness instead of just a invincible ww

Pestilence was basically the war of tos1, and I feel the rework on pestilence fits much better for tos2.

there should be an animation that plays after the who died and how showing the horsemann transformation

Pipe I was the wildling that game and found bers n2 and found you n3 but you got away cus of arso lol but I like the new pest

This pest rework makes visiting, arguably, even *more* dangerous than a rampaging pest. Cause everyone alive has plague/pest, so visiting **anyone** takes you one step closer to death. If someone visits you the same night? You straight up die. Pest could wipe out nearly everyone in a night if everyone visits. Thus, everyone *has* to stay home or increase everyone's odds of dying. Pretty nifty rework, honestly. Makes pest a major threat, but in a more insidious way.

@Box2.0

Жыл бұрын

Good analyzation 👀

I love that it went from 2 being conj to 2 having friends that got him lynched

Thank you pipetron, for showcasing the town of salem rework in the game "pestilence 2"

The way pest works based on the text is that when plaguebearer transformed into pestilence everyone stack of plague turn into 1 Stack of pestilence, during first night after transformation everyone goes to 2 stacks, BUT pest can kill 1 into going 3 stack this same night, plus everyone that visits will give another stack when visiting so 3 stacks too, this makes it so that no one can visit or you will kill whoever you are visiting... So you have only more chance to find pest with no new info (apart from New deaths from NAs), because the second night after transformation everyone goes 3 stacks anyway.

7:42 “nice the shroud ignited the arsonist”

G2 Conj be like: "Hey, Dream, watch me throw this."

I think the new pest is for longer games. I also think a cool mechanic would be to have PB spread the plague and only when someone gets 3 stacks of plague do they die and PB becomes Pest, allowing Pest to outright max stack someone.

I like that the new pest still remains dependant on visits, which makes it more unique compared to war

Pipe is somehow the least observant person I have ever seen playing Town of Salem. It's astounding.

Thank you, Pipetron, for showing us the rework pestilence role

my opinion is that pesti will be godlike with even a single Apo partner, the correct play is to nobody visit while pesti is out since they might be giving the 3rd stack to someone if someone else also visits them so this means baker/soul collector/bers are going to freely get their transformation sealing the deal in apoc favor since no more info is being collected.

7:42 "the shroud ignited the arsonist"

I was really working reworked berserker would be the horseman version of deputy/summoner and kill during the day. Would be nice to see the variety and really help with other horseman.

We love shrouds igniting arsonists, its a taste of their own medicine

I feel as though the pest change nerfs him in most of the time because they can't get multiple kills most of the time. However it does mean tp can't stop pest anymore.

That second game was so sick! Lol Almost everything was aligned xd

That the Plaguebearer transforming into the Pestilence is a viable way to win a match in ToS2 means that it has found a better environment to thrive in compared to the original game. I'm happy for the Plaguebearer.

7:40 The Shroud ignited the Arsonist

Always a good day when I get to watch pipton play TOS 2

I like the new rework, it fits more and really puts it apart from war

“The shroud ignited the arsonist” -Pipton 2023

I love waking up to pipetron videos just as much I love going to bed watching them

Ok am i tripping or is the new pest just a worst version of famine?

@Adolf_Gaming_

Жыл бұрын

I guess it’s supposed to discourage visiting roles late game. This could work really well in 4 horsemen mode when you’re on a team.

@JrTroopa

Жыл бұрын

Less potent post transformation, but way more likely to transform in the first place.

"Nice the shroud ignited the arsonist" - Pipetron 2023

Pipetron is my favorite consistent KZreadr. I learned everything I know about TOS from him. Thank you man!!!

I was playing Ultrakill while listening to this and at 5:49 when pipe said "Keep em coming" Sisyphus said it and they overlapped and I felt truly schizophrenic.

THANK YOU pipton for playing the NEW PESTILENCE REWORK in Town of Salem 2

they made pestilence famine but with mcdonalds wifi. you basically are just a slower famine as town gets time to succumb to pestilence and not just die immediately of starvation. probably going to get another rework imo.

@Kosaku-kawajiri

Жыл бұрын

Yep, the only thing is that it can now stop Ezodia combos

@Kosaku-kawajiri

Жыл бұрын

@@cyanideytcuriousseadoggo before it also stop visiting, because there is a chance you visit pest without knowing, and just dies(or visit pest target)

i feel like baker needed more of a rework then pestilence/PB

@Bread-kun

Жыл бұрын

It takes way too long for bers to transform, so it makes killing 2 people per night almost irrelevant at that point of a game.

@bigburkhart2293

Жыл бұрын

It'll probably be coming. Might need a little more work before it's ready.

Now that actually feels like a disease role

I actually like the new change to Pestilence. Now, it actually feels like you're commanding a plague rather than being a worst War. Plus, he slows the game down a lot. Sure rampage is gone, but if ppl don't respect the pestilence you can get the same amount of kills while being able to guarantee kill one person at night on your own.

I would like to see either some coven leader gameplay, or gameplay as solo soul collector.

I think NA is quite strong as a team compare to coven. I think make them can't communicate at night but still know their teammates may balance things here.

You forgot pest/pb has priority visits meaning they vidit before other roles

The shroud ignited the arso. Good one

Way it reads is EVERYONE who is not an Apocalylse Role who is visited twice by anyone else will die ANY visit by Pestilance counts as 2 Anyone visiting pestalance counts as a visit against themself Seems to me the best time to be pestilance is when visting roles like TIs and TPs are still alive

personally, i think the new pest should be how famine should work. When you visit someone it should instantly starve them not just hasten the starve, if they did that then baker would be in a really good spot

I had the same thing in a game, I was trickster, vig had the message. The vig just doesn't shoot as they can't n1.

Yeah the new PB and Pest got buffed hard

Pestilence is still fun, I am just happy War is now role-block immune and kills jailor for jailing them

I honestly don’t like the changes. They made pest less reliable by removing the rampage and auto attack visitors (which was super unique). They did make him better if he transform early and people just stack pestilence on themselves, but only being able to directly kill one person sucks

@Lawler50431

Жыл бұрын

Perhaps it should keep a "rampage" where it adds a pestilence stack to anyone visiting their target (making them get 3, 1 from normal visit, 1 from visiting the Pest target and 1 starting stack) and die?

@vanillajellyfish

Жыл бұрын

And people can just... not visit

@viktorholm3386

Жыл бұрын

Tbh that could be good if pb transforms fast since it slows town since TI cant visit without killing plus it counters all night killing roles so Pest is big support for other NA its just weak if youre alone

@ikeanand

Жыл бұрын

I disagree because old pestilence was basically the same thing as war

@uneevee4397

Жыл бұрын

I always saw þe visit as infecting þem wiþ pestilence, and þe rampage was þe spread, killing þe visitors too, þen þe auto attack was infection directly from pestilence (Aka plaguebearer but þe infects are attacks now)

I actully feel like the pest rework is a nerf cus he dosent rampage anymore and people will stop visiting when pest imarge... i think they need to expand on it and do that the longer someone was plauged the mor pest stacks he will have when pb transform (+1 for each night) than when someone reach 5 they die so people will just straight up die when pb transform making him like baker but with targted killing also so uniqe... idk tell me in the comments ur thought about this system

The buff to the plague spreading is a good rework.

Thank you Tubetron

I'm doing well. Thanks for always asking Pipe!

to get more than 1 kill as Pest, you could have one person visit you, and then a person visiting the person that visited you, giving that person 3 stacks of Pest, killing them. Logic is: Visiting Pest gives 1 Pest stack Visiting someone with Pest gives 1 Pest stack You start with 1 Pest stack That is effectively 3 Pest stacks to kill, but people will stay home bc Pest. If you were to think about it, people might end up visiting on Pest night due to the fact that they underestimate the Pest rework, but you can't count on that to effectively win. People won't visit either way, so it effectively the same, ig, you just don't rampage.

In my opinion on the pest rework, it feels like players are still forced to stay home in order to prevent the pest stacks from becomin lethal. It feels like it can be played out the same way

I like this rework! Definetely scarier than before

It’s a reasonable buff (more of a rework but still), since previously it was just a slightly better WW and the only apoc that can be stopped by a freaking cleric lmao. At least now it can just kill. Idk if pb needed faster spreading ngl but it’s nice to have. Defo feels strong than baker now

Hey Pipe, PLEASE show the roles after a game, thanks

GG Great video as always :)

I think it's more of a nerf than a buff, but I can see why the change was made. Once Pest came out, the game would usually slow to a standstill because everyone knows not to visit or the chances of killing multiple Townies goes up massively. Now that Pest has the potential to be on a Team with the rest of the Horsemen, this only exacerbated the issue. As for the change itself, it does remove the "Find Pest Immediately" problem. But now it feels like the Pest is between a Baker and a Hex Master or something, since you spread Plague like before, but if you do end up transforming now unless the game is massively slowed down because of a lot of other immunes like SKs, Arsos and Shrouds, it'll still be easier to narrow down who could be Pest with a smaller Town. I do like that Visiting as Pest doesn't actively attack so you can fool Investigators that check you for Blood, but in the end it again now feels like the Baker once you become Pest. Probably still the second best Neutral Apocalypse because Baker and Berserker are either more difficult or slower to come online, but Pest definitely doesn't have as much game impact anymore.

THANK YOU PIPETRON FOR SHOWING US [Insert Pipetron Title]

Tbh, it would be great if you can show us the roles of the players at the end

waited entire day for this post

@PureheartFisher

Жыл бұрын

Ikr? Easily an extra 3/4 of a day

PipeTron, ONLY A WITCH can make Vigilante shoot N1, which is why you and Trickster survived.

The problem with this Pest rework is that it ties your win condition to enemy agency. If nobody visits, you're the only one who can spread the Pestilence, meaning you can only kill 1 person every night, giving town a lot of time to find you. At least Baker kills off anyone without bread. Pest is just a worse version of Baker now. I suggested that Pestilence stacks apply overnight, meaning that town has a few days to find you overnight before they all succumb, rather than being forced to kill off townies one by one.

This reworked pest is a buff imo. But moreso in games with more townies, like tps and tis. The town moving pest stacks around is the better version of double kill, cause any two visits by any player will kill someone now. It instantly stops tp chains or in the right circumstance just outright kills a bunch of townies. Now pest can stay full stealth and town will kill itself if they don't stay home.

only witch is able to make vigi shoot N1 trickster gives the taunt message to vigi N1 but neither vigi or trickster dies so basically when u trick a vigi N1 it confirms vigi and trickster

I think the pest would be way more cool if insted of 3 stacks to die it would be 5 or 6 but evryone gets 1 stack each night until pest or them die

7:43 nice the shroud ignited the arsonist I think they reworked the shroud😅

This update gives Pest some pressure ... Not just an upgrade from PB to Berserker 😂 so they can attack ... I love the change

14:45 Ah I seen space-time continuum was broken

Pesti absolutely shatters tp chains

I think it's a rework rather than a buff, its cool, but I dont think its better or worse, just different.

I THANK THEE for showing the NEW PEST

I love all content on TOS 2

I think this is more of pest nerf than a buff as a way to balance out the Horsemen. You have War and Death as the two higher priority dangers, and Pest and Famine as lower priority dangers, but that grow more dangerous over time. I say this would be strong in a three Apocalypse team than 2. TLDR; This Pest rework basically made Pest a support instead of an attacker