Apparently we can have both Affinities as long as we don't choose their Second Levels but something tells me that might change... The portasol is essentially a very solid umbrella, by the by. The vines scale with Explosive Volley. And the catapults can still be use by other players but they'll never have any of Winona's upgrades or projectiles. "Full" Patch Notes - forums.kleientertainment.com/game-updates/dst/617515-r2203/ Additional Winona Notes - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/156762-additional-winona-notes/ Animation - kzread.info/dash/bejne/f5WO0dafmK3Ah9Y.html Drops - forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157599-new-streaming-drops-available-now-the-rosy-eyebrella/ 💲HELP BEARDO LIVE!💲 - Become a Channel Member: kzread.info/dron/qFXLcQo_gG__MUxRrrXKag.htmljoin - Support us on Patreon: www.patreon.com/TheBeard777 - Donate Directly at: streamlabs.com/beard777/tip - Merch Store: streamlabs.com/beard777/merch - Worship The 7 (Twitch Subscription): secure.twitch.tv/products/beard777/ticket - Send a gift: throne.com/thebeard777 💙 HELP THE CHANNEL GROW! 💙 - Second Channel: www.youtube.com/@BeardPlaysGames777 - Archive Channel: www.youtube.com/@TheBeardedArchives - Join the community on Discord: discord.gg/KTXrRJ7 - Follow us on Twitter: twitter.com/TheBeard777 - Look at all my food: instagram.com/the_beard_777/ - Watch live at: twitch.tv/beard777

@niitro2377

Күн бұрын

You can also use both planar strikes and it works together though overall it would be way less efficient

Winona mains who go the lunar path will have Charlie invading their dreams and yelling: OHANA MEANS FAMILY!

@superwhatevergamin9634

Күн бұрын

Family means... Nobody gets left behind... Or forgotten.

This has got to be the most coolest, most amazing character rework I have ever seen! I have not even used Winona, but after this update I think its going to be really worth while playing her! This character is diffidently worth making base with!

@jaden3513

Күн бұрын

You really are a boring person to think this is that cool of a rework. Its only better than wolfgangs, every other skilltree is undeniably cooler and more interesting than this one. Its all just number or stat buffs on her already existing kit and her winbot is just a shitty version of wobot. The fact your creaming your pants over this shows me that your a sheep and mediocre people like you are why klei keeps pumping out garbage skill trees like this.

You can pick both affinities. Just can't have both founders keepers II and shadow seeker II. And if you have both a brilliance powered gemerator and horror powered generator hooked up to the same catapult(s), you can combine planar strikes, resulting in massive damage and vine ground. Used this mechanic to destroy Nightmare Werepig and Fuelweaver, as well as the seasonal bosses.

@superwhatevergamin9634

Күн бұрын

Winona mains riding the line: Which side did I pick? Yes.

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

I'm fairly certain this is not intended as I recall reading that they were working on removing the opportunity to do this.

@flamboyant_wolf

21 сағат бұрын

@@TheBeard777 I recall reading the exact opposite on the forums. Also they talked about art for the combined planar strike on the latest stream, so would be weird if it was unintentional.

I actually really like the full immunity from Charlie, lore wise it makes sense and even though its a core part of the game to avoid the darkness, I dont think its that broken i mean darkness is really easy to counter anyways

Would it be cool if we could incubate tall bird eggs using Winona’s heat lamp skill?

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

It would be cool if there was anything more in=depth and fun about Winona beyond more catapult stuff...

I see beard being a little disappointed with winona, but I believe she's amazing. She has a lot of potential, using nmf for generators is so cheap, the best heat source ever existed, infinite fuel for megabases, and good foundations for the best of the best farms. You could cheese a lot of bosses with a flute or a shadow prison and her teleport is a real competitor to wandas backtreck watch (her clock is still better for some applications, like going to the ruins). The fact you can dismantle stuff makes it a one time investment and shes no longer just a situational swap character. Her dismantling allows: heat in winter, just put a gen and a spotilight. Teleport catapults with portasol thay don't fit in your inventory. Using a elightened shard gen for many different farms without even fuel. Save massive amount of resources. Her teleport with portasol is quite special. It's far cheaper than any other tp option (backtreck, wortox, lazy deserter, telelocator) can be done much, much often and it's not season locked. It can help you move the stuff from the ruins station to an entrance back and forth. And it's super cheap like you can do many more time than you could ever do with any other method. The teleport works like a telelocator and while you cant really use it with different portals or move teammates (that would be TOO broken) it still very good since you can move alters and suspicious marbles, or kill people, tp peoples stuff then revive at meat effigy.

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

For both these Trees I will say two things; They do what they aimed to do well and that's fun and fine, however, many of the fundamentals of both characters were straight up passed over for multiple levels of individual skills that occasionally mean literally nothing and that's too much wasted potential.

Really wish they didn't just do small number buffs. I wanted more buildings from Winona rather than just "oh your catapults shoot faster! isn't that cool? it'll be alot faster and make whatever you're doing alot faster!" (In my opinion) Klei fumbled the bag when it came this.

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

Too many dump skills and basic # increases, yeah.

@victornguyen1175

Күн бұрын

Winona had a ton of opportunities to become the "crafting" character, but most players who still play DST are purists who don't like power creep or even utility creep. She's still trapped into being the Catapult character and very little else.

Shadow affinity looks *awesome* in Winona's skill tree. The majority of these skill trees barely seem to offer anything for siding with Charlie, with most of them either just suffering from a damage boost to fewer overall mobs or having skills that are straight up worse in every way, but Winona has some game changing perks

I gotta say, the slower update release payed off with this update in particular

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

In terms of size? Sort of I suppose. We've had huge releases monthly back in the day that weren't nearly as buggy though if I'm being fair.

HOLY COW! I have never wanted to be winona so badly!

Honestly, while I prefer, lorewise, the Shadow Affinities, as I believe Winona will naturally pull towards Charlie in order to find and save her, I vastly prefer the game-mechanics flavor of the Lunar Affinities. Winona was always the Tinkerer class first, Charlie's sister second to me, so it only makes sense to give her new gadgets to play with, and those are sadly only found in Wagstaff's caches, not CHarlie's shadow-rose voodoo. That aside, I also prefer the Pure Horror vine-apults over the Pure Brilliance work-apults. The former can be used to one-time set up a great boss arena that I can lure the bosses towards. The latter will require me to move my entire catapult setup around every time I need to mine resources, or only limit myself to a tree orchard or similarly regrowable resource farm grown around my setup.

@Pock4855

5 сағат бұрын

you can make more catapults and solve this problem, and you don't need 6 catapults to chop a tree, only one is sufficient

@filipahlers6156

3 сағат бұрын

@@Pock4855 But then we're dealing with a different type of time/resource waste. If I build new catapults every time I wanna harvest a new field of rocks, for example, I am wasting a not-insignificant amount of resources (Tape, twigs, planks, doodads, rocks) on the catapult and G.E.M.erator every time I need new resources. And if I just use the same singular catapult, that's still me dismantling or packing up the catapult and G.E.M.erator, then moving them to the rock field, then setting them up, inserting Pure Brilliance into the G.E.M.erator, and then waiting for them to break the rocks for me so I can walk over and pick them up. While option 2 is cheaper here, I still wonder if, in either case, it wouldn't have been faster to just go and mine the damn rocks myself with my oppulent pickaxe, or maybe I even have a few pig/merm followers to make it go even faster still. It's just a lot of time spent on setup to hasten a process that didn't take too long in the first place.

@Pock4855

2 сағат бұрын

@@filipahlers6156 for rocks I don't think it is worth it but for wood that can be planted on the same location I think it's good, and the gem on the generator keep inside it when dismantled

I was hopeful for more early crafts in her tree. Few too many perks for number go up. BUT, i love that she isn't locked behind an end-game boss to get afinity, i wish more characters were like that, and it wasn't just "oh you want the cool lunar stuff for them? *KILL THE HARDEST BOSS IN THE GAME*" Great explanation, though, might try winona a bit now but idk if its enough.

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

Funny because I believe we need more tasks to do in order to unlock Skills per world instead of just giving us all 15 points straight away. Sort of like Wigfrid's left side of her Skill Tree.

@justanaverageferret

Күн бұрын

@TheBeard777 I see what you mean. Don't get me wrong, I'm not asking for fewer tasks, I just don't feel like every affinity tree needs to be gated by those two bosses. It would have made winonas tree far, far worse if she had to as well.

Beard I appreciate your now keeping your criticism out of the videos. Feels like the old days again

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

You people seriously need to chill out with these takes. If I kept my mouth shut for 4.5 years why do you think more and more of the criticism is making its way out? Ever think about that or are you guys just gonna continue to tell me that I can't have opinions when everyone else shares theirs?

@MC-es3dy

22 сағат бұрын

@@TheBeard777 The character feels a little strong here.. am I wrong? I'm fine with you sharing your opinions given that you're fully explaining what everything does first. No idea what people are complaining about. Great presentation, great video.

Despite how lackluster this skill tree was, I still had fun playing it. Still leaves me wanting more though.

gotta love Winonas spotlight perks when winter comes. love the hotlight tho what if the hotlight perk was a lil different? instead of just heating it required a gem to either heat or cool like red gem for heating and blue gem for cooling tho can only take 1 or couple gems of 1 type of gem and cant be changed after tuning the spotlight/s to said gem/s and it would work just like the hotlight perk.. heating during winter and cooling during summer depending on what gem was used.... would probably be a lil to op lol

I have a love hate relationship with the portasol. Its good if you only have 2 places to go to but any more places and it becomes much harder to navigate them (without a ton of walking which is what i assume they are trying to avoid by adding the things in the first place)

Could have used more utility tbh but those huge number buffs should make her insane in combat (provided you have the right setup) which may be more important to the vast majority of players. Also I find the lore implications quite interesting as you can side with Charlie ( well it s her sister afterall) or go against her ( either she likes Wagstaff too much which is unlikely or sees that the only way to save her is to join forces with her enemies). Speaking of lore is it me or all the lore bits we have been getting over the years seem to add up which isn t all that bad until you consider the fact that they are spread thin across DS, DST and many other external sources ( the mural puzzles, animated shorts and other smaller things)

Honestly I've always wished Winona was more of a utility and convenience character than focusing on these catapults. Her kit focusing on devices that can be set up to slowly farm resources or even do some basic refinement type crafting automatically

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

Just like it was a mistake to turn Wurt into a full blown, follower combat merm making Winona solely focused on catapults and their upgrades was a misfire.

@tristanglock4925

Күн бұрын

It may itself point to the game moving to a greater combat focus overall rather than where it started having at least an equal focus on survival and combat.

Maybe u could do a video explaining new crockpot setup? They made new collisions for structures and now u can fill 8 crockpots for 1 fridge! Pepole schould know about it!

@TheBeard777

20 сағат бұрын

I mention the placement changes in the BIG update guide's comments!

Reading the update notes I didnt understand a thing. These types of videos actually help a lot. Even though the update itself isnt that cool. Like who tf even plays winona

6:21 Powerful and Expensive

strange that there are no new machines. i would have liked to replace the catepult firing speed perks with three different machines. sprinklers being one of them.

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

So, so much wasted potential in this one tree... it's unbelievable.

@user-oy2zg3bt6n

Күн бұрын

@@TheBeard777 i kind of wonder, what new machines did you expect or hope to get with a winona skill tree? i know sprinkler is a popular one, but i can hardly think of anything else

Slight correction. Shadow Seeker I does not allow for you to choose wormholes. That's only accessable through Shadow Seeker II. Reason I bring it up is because you can't access all wormholes, and the Tele Umbrella at the same time. Also, you can now only have one hologram in your inventory at a time.

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

I never said specifics for either Affinities per say as I was combining entire sets of Skills throughout this video to keep it all contained into segments but yes, you're right. And people can figure things out for themselves as well.

Does anyone know if you place down the lamps with the heat skill and then swap characters if the the lamps still produce heat ?

@bilirkisi-9470

Күн бұрын

Only if the lamp focuses on a winona with a heat skill

@currentlysebs

Күн бұрын

They won’t

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

None of the upgrades to any of her stuff works for anyone else. That's the whole idea behind this Skill Tree, to make her less of a switch.

@user-lf3qd8kx5f

Күн бұрын

@@TheBeard777 yeah that’s cool. i love skip trees, makes me play characters i would not otherwise

tbh with the new skills tree's there is more way to play but maybe it just me

I don't understand why you'd say the catapults atack speed skills make them less efficient. Unless there's something else that i'm not aware of, the atack speed boost means you can get the same damage output with less catapults. 6 catapults have the same damage output as 5 catapults with the 20% increase, which means a little less energy spent in idle mode. It's probably not worth it though, but it sure is arguably more efficient.

@AntonioVivaldi-si5mr

Күн бұрын

whats the point even to all of this min max efficiency, i mean bruh, you can just either make more generators or catapults to compensate for dmg or might as well fight yourself alongside with catas, would want 1 skill point for atk speed 1 for AoE and 1 for health or regen on them or even better smth else entirely such as diffrent new QOL machines like less hunger spend for crafting or portable chester like machines.

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

3 Skills for 20% or 1 Skill for 50%? The answer to this question sums that right up.

@Precigian

20 сағат бұрын

Just to make it clear, i asked the question because maybe there was something else the skill did that you forgot to mention (like, make the catapults use more energy per shot, or something like that) that made the catapults less efficient. But as it seems, the skills are just not worth the meaningless 20% for 3 skills point. The way you said it made it seems like it's about efficiency rather than being worth it

Can other charaktets use that thing, with what can you manipulate katapults, And can you others zde win bot?

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

No special projectiles or upgrades can be used by others. All they will have are the regular catapult damage.

as if she wasn't broken already now you can play factorio in don't starve and automate everything

@paulkocherhans608

Күн бұрын

I think this is a good change, most people would use her to build auto farms, then swap off her. These bonuses go away if Winona Isn't in the world, so we may actually see people actually play Winona start to finish :D

@arigatoespacialsuperadmiti7316

Күн бұрын

She wasn't broken, she had MANY flaws. You could notice it since many people didn't play her. She could be considered better than wilson but all she really had was the catapults, and it was possible to use the 😊celestial portal, build some and then use any other player

@wandenbergdasilvacunha

Күн бұрын

@@arigatoespacialsuperadmiti7316 exactly, and boring

@victornguyen1175

Күн бұрын

Oh hey look, its one of "those" people

@kaisermosh4057

Күн бұрын

@@victornguyen1175 "those people" is a crazy statement

WORTOX REWORK WHEN

yay veggietales!

bread

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

🍞🥖🥐

Is anyone else having trouble getting the wormhole thing to work? I for the life of me can’t get it to allow me to do anything but jump through it the old-fashioned way.😭

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

Examine it first! Nothing happens with those glasses without an extra action!

@sydneycauveren9340

Күн бұрын

@@TheBeard777 it isn’t even giving me the examine option!

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

@@sydneycauveren9340 Try holding Control first!

@sydneycauveren9340

Күн бұрын

@@TheBeard777got it to let me inspect but it just says that she can’t tell if Charlie has been there!🤦🏻‍♀️😣

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

And are you sure you have BOTH Shadow Seeker Skills my friend?

Winona: Hey look buddy, I'm an Engineer. That means I solve problems. Not like problems like "What is beauty?" Cause reach outside the boundaries of what you call philosophy. Pause I solve practical problems. For instance. How am I going to stop some big mean mother huber from tearing me a structurally insucue bee hive? The answer. Is a gun. And if that don't work? Use more gun. Like this rock throwing Catapult designed by me. Build by me And you best hope... Not to point it at you...

Yeah i feel like they just needed an excuse to add in new abilities and they are foing to be aiming to make a new don't starve together where all the characters already can do these and give us something else

I really like this skill tree I like wurt better as a character and I'm a wirt main but I think that Winona skill tree is better because she needed one alot more than wurt who was a good character before the skill tree

In short, they just want players to stay Winona and in a game.

You haven said anything Lunar boom shot

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

Literally talk about Enlightened Strike doing work in this video.

0:05 PAUSE

webber arrived before these, so why they didnt add his skill alrdy? , sad i dont see anyone using webber but hes so fun, even tho i always die at days 40s cuz spring lol

@user-lf3qd8kx5f

Күн бұрын

But he also got a rework before them

@oinoino

Күн бұрын

Because webber is a bad character because he lags the server with all of his spiders making it miserable for everyone in the server.

Hi

@TheBeard777

16 сағат бұрын

Hello there!

This was the rework I was most excited for and waiting on as I have the most fun playing as the Engineer/Crafting/Builder archetype in games. Then they literally just double down on catapults. I think it's finally time to uninstall the game.

@TheBeard777

Күн бұрын

Sorry to hear that for you but I must be honest and say that I truly don't blame you. If this game wasn't my "job" it would be in the trash can, or at least right on the edge of it.

The game Stil laaga after 5 years and Stil mp 1 year now don't work on Console you cannot join other worlds nobody talks about it

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