Hi! As a person who's very interested in this case I want to say a few things: 1. Slab avalanche theory is known for years (at least since 2017) 2. Sciencists mentioned by you used avalanche simulation based on physics of snow in the movie Frozen 3. The source of radiation: most of victims were working with radiation at Polytechnic or in nuclear facility Mayak and that's how a tiny amount of it was found on clothes.

@willehster9467

Жыл бұрын

it’s crazy that animation techniques have come so far that scientists are using their physics to simulate avalanches.

@mickeydangerez

Жыл бұрын

Really they don't work in lab coats? All of them radiologists?

@TheRatManBob

Жыл бұрын

@@mickeydangerez Something to remember is that around the time of the incident Las Vegas was selling tickets to watch nuclear explosions without protection. Things were a bit loosey goosey back then

@ct5625

Жыл бұрын

@@mickeydangerez Doesn't matter if you wear a lab coat, and not all of the victims displayed increased levels of radiological contamination. Also, this was 1959, in the Soviet Union. Safety was rarely considered.

@oneoflokis

Жыл бұрын

Is that so?!

Dyatlov Pass updates? I've never clicked on a video so fast...

@mrichards4724

Жыл бұрын

For real 👍

@samhowl1152

Жыл бұрын

That's dumb bro.

@rabbidninja79

Жыл бұрын

Same

@toothscrape

Жыл бұрын

yep

@greggygilgen5691

Жыл бұрын

legit

I think it's a little disappointing when a cool mystery has a simple and frankly boring answer, but I think the important thing is that this isn't just lights in the sky or a strange discovery, these were people, that died. There are people related to the incident that deserved closure that probably never got it. So having a likely truth to the incident is a good thing, even if it is "boring"

@getsideways7257

Жыл бұрын

Better safe than "exciting"... Of course, it won't help the victims in any way.

@BillyBob-wq9fl

Жыл бұрын

Always some scientist saying: nothing to see here.. move along.. “Swamp gas refracting”

@BillyBob-wq9fl

Жыл бұрын

Scientists are not always trustworthy.. Media is not always trustworthy.. If something nefarious was going on.. would they let that information out?

@getsideways7257

Жыл бұрын

@@wizzolo Good catch

@qwopiretyu

Жыл бұрын

I think all mysteries have a boring explanation. They're only mysteries until we have an explanation.

I feel like this fact is way too often overlooked: Not all the victims body’s had the same evidence. The blunt force trauma (equivalent to that of a car crash) was only seen in the bodies in the ravine. The radiation was only found on two of the bodies in the ravine.

@atmega16a5

Жыл бұрын

But it is explainable. They were students and maybe just some of them have worked with radioactive materials. And not all of them were hit the same way. There are a lot of variables, but to keep it simple: Some could have been standing, some could have been laying, some could have died on the spot and the others tried to cling to their life by climbing the tree. The fact that they were scattered and died of mostly hypothermia would prove this. I may be oversimplifying or just be wrong, but the most boring answer is the most probable.

@BusinessWolf1

10 ай бұрын

​@@atmega16a5nah, I think the russian government being characteristically russian covered up the fact that they used to leave nuclear portable batteries in random spots in the wilderness during soviet times.

@Starry-ph6yx

27 күн бұрын

@@BusinessWolf1the radiation is because some of them worked in nuclear plants

I know you like doing all kinds of topics and I love each and every one. BUT these unsolved mystery ones are fantastic.

@jmoranretana

Жыл бұрын

I do agree.

@SzechuanChickenDog

Жыл бұрын

If you like that type of thing... Check out "why files" mostly mysteries. Great channel

@beatriceroosmark9796

Жыл бұрын

Yes love them

@ryanb9749

Жыл бұрын

@@SzechuanChickenDog I was going to say this

@BTScriviner

Жыл бұрын

Yes, they're among my favorites too.

I think people over-estimated the fortitude and resilience of the students as they were experienced hikers, and underestimated just how powerful and brutal Mother Nature can be. No amount of experience can protect you from a massive amount of snow sliding down and engulfing you. It is very sad, but not mysterious.

@xleaselife

Жыл бұрын

You must be a really fun person to be around. I'm sure you never make mistakes when typing.

@a_donut

Жыл бұрын

@@xleaselife Dont give it attention, thats what they feed off of

@xleaselife

Жыл бұрын

@@a_donut You're right. A lesson to not make a KZread comment when I just woke up.

@nationalcitysycho

Жыл бұрын

YOU BELIEVE THAT SHIT..SMH. RADIOACTIVITY & A MISSING TONGE!..

@nationalcitysycho

Жыл бұрын

MOTHER NATURE HAD NOTHING TO DO. THIS GUY IS STUPID..HER EYES WERE NOT EATIN & HER TONGUE HAD HER PALET MISSING TO.

A few years ago, a homeless man in our city was in a parking lot in the middle of the night on a hideously cold night. The security cameras in the parking lot (which weren't monitored overnight, just kept running) caught glimpses of him as he wandered around, paradoxically undressing, before he finally curled up behind a dumpster. It was heartbreaking, knowing that he was hastening his own death.

@Snook_YT

Жыл бұрын

it happens because once you get so cold your mind goes crazy basically, you get either so cold or so hot, you start frantically taking your clothes off. Happens quite often on Mount Everest

@joshuacsupohdvideomaker7873

Жыл бұрын

Hypothermia can cause you to feel like your body is burning up therfore you take your clothes off

@LowLuvR117

Жыл бұрын

hyperthermia makes u hot a burning burnjng feeling n u will undress

Regarding the missing tongue : 'Scavenging animals' is a perfectly sufficient explanation here, but as It's quite common for people involved in car accidents (and similar traumatic impacts) to bite parts of their own tongue off during the moment of collision, _(usually just the tip)_ _So it seems possible, quite likely even, that a human body (even a dead one) may potentially bite their own tongue off whilst they're being rolled over and violently thrown about inside an avalanche._

@6foot8jesuspilledpureblood82

Жыл бұрын

One thing to note is the stomach was found full of blood suggesting that it happend while alive. Also I think it was found fully torn out not "bitten off" but not sure

@Jayleenyc

Жыл бұрын

I bit through my tongue in a car accident.

@robinhodges6474

Жыл бұрын

That's what I was thinking too

@nb3344

Жыл бұрын

animals would eat the easily available body parts. I have read Russian assessments which stated so.

@whatzittooya3873

Жыл бұрын

I have seen the autopsy photos. The person whose tongue was missing was well into decomposition and most of the face was gone, not just the tongue. When this story gets retold and the missing tongue is brought up as a mysterious point I just cringe because it's always out of context.

I’ve always wondered, if someone is aware of the phenomenon of paradoxical undressing, would they then try their hardest not to undress, knowing and understanding what their body is going through? Or is the brain so badly affected by that point that they are too disoriented to consider trying to stay dressed to save themselves? If anyone knows or has any relevant contribution, I welcome your responses.

@Crowbars2

Жыл бұрын

I've always wondered that. Bump to see if you get an answer from someone else.

@oskrm

Жыл бұрын

Maybe. The problem is you can't think straight. If you're really thinking straight, why would you go against logic and take off your cloth in the snow?

@dryb3301

Жыл бұрын

The nervous system is so much in shock and they are not in the right mind , exactly as you suggested. Our body needs a very narrow range of temperature to function properly. Beyond that , nothing works as it supposed to, especially the brain. I've seen hypoxic patients trying very hard to rip off their oxygen mask, very frequently I might add

@Crowbars2

Жыл бұрын

@@oskrm Yeah, but even if you can't think straight, would someone still be able to keep enough of a thought in their head to say to themselves "Yeah, I might be feeling incredibly hot right now. But it's just a symptom of hypothermia. If I remove my clothes, it'll only make it worse." And get yourself to survive a bit longer. Between 20-50% of people who die of hypothermia have paradoxical undressing, so we know it doesn't happen in everyone. The question is, do the people who still have their clothes do so because they fought the urge to undress, or because they didn't feel the urge to undress at all?

@Lopfff

Жыл бұрын

@@Crowbars2 Somebody should ask them

I'm an experienced hiker and the fact that they cut themselves out of the tent, with no clothes on, always suggested to me that it was an avalanche. There's not a lot of scenarios where someone would cut themselves out of a tent, the ones I can think of are avalanche and maybe wildlife in the tent blocking the exit. But that they had no clothes on suggested avalanche while they were asleep. So this is good, closes the book for me at least.

@JohnWellingtonWells

Жыл бұрын

Speaking as someone with no experience on the subject. Is it common to sleep only in your underwear while hiking in winter?

@NathanTarantlawriter

Жыл бұрын

The slope was too gentle to support an avalanche, but I agree it was something natural. I can go with a "slab avalanche" though. It could have been a tornado that spooked them with high winds.

@NathanTarantlawriter

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnWellingtonWells It is if you have a hot tent an you want your clothes to dry. I've done this many times.

@emilily6513

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnWellingtonWells I don't think it would be.

@TerrinX

Жыл бұрын

I'm still onto Lemino's theory, considering their burnt clothes which seems to be the most overlooked detail

Now I guess the only unanswered question about this is how all the Yeti and aliens seem to be immune to slab avalanches. What do they know that we don't?

@timokautto7349

Жыл бұрын

Looool

@swahilimaster

Жыл бұрын

Ask Johan Gaume about it, he is clearly one of the aliens you are talking about, dude looks like he bought his human suit from a lizardman.

Concerning the radioactivity found on the clothes, I'd like to point out the pretty brutal Kyshtym disaster (3rd worst incident in the world after Chernobyl and Fukushima) which, in 1957 - 2 years prior to the Dyatlov Pass incident, irradiated part of the Ural region unbeknownst to everyone's knowledge, including police authorities (it took years to evacute affected villages). The incident took place near Chelyabinsk-40, a closed and unmarked city now known as Ozyorsk, at the secret nuclear facility of Mayak. Considering the expedition members studied in a city 2 hours north of Ozyorsk and considering, not only the Kyshtym incident, but also the extremely poor handling of nuclear wastes in the overall region, I think it's pretty safe to say the radioactive traces that were found are not a mystery whatsoever, even if we don't figure out the *exact* origin of it, it be from a covered up nuclear disaster or nuclear waste dumped in the envrionment or tools using radioactive elements. Soviet Russia irradiated its own land without a care in the world for decades, so I don't think this particular aspect needs as much attention as some people who may be ignorant of how things were back then (and really, still are today) may think it does.

@deaddropholiday

Жыл бұрын

Exactly. And several of the kids were part of the cleanup operations. As for the excised organs - they are all natural sinks for specific radionuclides. They were attempting to ascertain their full body burden of radioactivity - especially since they lacked young cadavers of people most at risk because of their rate of cell replication. The local cops blew the lid on the radiation testing and the missing organs. But they were completely ignorant of WHY they were testing (carried out by state security). Need to know and they didn't need to know.

@bacicinvatteneaca

Жыл бұрын

That would make it the second worst, not the third, because Fukushima didn't irradiate the surrounding area.

@deaddropholiday

Жыл бұрын

@@bacicinvatteneaca Yeah, that's why they were forced to dig up the topsoil from the entire region and dump it in open air pits using several hundred million garbage bags (all of which will likely have rotted by now). 🤣

@pamelabowden3017

Жыл бұрын

One of the hikers had actually worked in a power plant which would explain the radiation

@deaddropholiday

Жыл бұрын

@@pamelabowden3017 All of these kids would have been hot with internal radionuclides. Indeed, everyone within several hundred square miles would likely have been exposed because of the Mayak incident. You can make a case that Mayak was the beginning of the nuclear medicine program in the Soviet Union (the same physicians would use what they learned in the Chernobyl catastrophe). Prior to this accident there had only been relatively small leaks of nuclear material and as the entire program was super secret nobody knew anything about them. The scale of the Mayak incident meant they couldn't just throw a blanket of security over the thing and cover up the casualties. And so the Soviet nuclear medicine program was kicked into gear. One of the problems they faced was a supply of young cadavers. They needed them to accurately determine what's known as "Full Body Burden" - the amount, intensity, type, spread patterns and specific locations of radionuclides throughout the body. Certain radionuclides bind to certain organs. Caesium to bones. Plutonium to the reproductive organs etc. Which explains the organ excision. The only reason there's a mystery about this is because the local cops were kept in the dark whilst the nuclear techs went about their grisly business.

I used to be a firefighter EMT, and a lot of firefighters who have died while battling fire, were found with their gear off due to paradoxical undressing. The air in their airpack ran out, the smoke gets too heavy, the heat too intense, so on and so forth.

@Seth9809

Жыл бұрын

And yet people are confused why the group is almost naked.

@abnnizzy

Жыл бұрын

I can understand people being killed by intense HEAT trying to take their clothes off, but in a place with intense COLD? That seems a little strange.

@whyisyoutubeshowinghandles

Жыл бұрын

@@abnnizzy You know that feeling when you touch something really cold on a really cold day and it starts to feel like your hand is burning? I think it's like that (edit: but way more severe)

@abnnizzy

Жыл бұрын

@@whyisyoutubeshowinghandles I don't know that feeling. I feel like its really cold.

@sendmorerum8241

Жыл бұрын

@@abnnizzy That's why it is called "paradoxical". Firefighters undressing due to heat shouldn't be called like that.

The gas lanterns they used had mantles made of Thorium dioxide commonly a major component; being radioactive. I use them to test my Rad detectors . And thank you JOE for doing a update.

@MaddogJones

Жыл бұрын

That's been my theory for the radiation detected on a couple bodies. Perhaps on was carrying the lantern when it broke and another was carrying spare mantles... There wouldn't be enough radiation to harm you but there would be enough to be detected.

@dewilew2137

Жыл бұрын

I wonder why the radiation issue was ever even considered strange then. This seems like such an obvious cause, and something that should have been initially considered. Were their items not inventoried and tested? It’s weird that the radiation even became part of the conspiracy theory with such an obvious source.

@janemiettinen5176

Жыл бұрын

Then all of their clothes wouldve tested the same. Now it was just two guys and only their pants, both worked with radioactive stuff. Im more inclined to say it was carried from there, not the lanterns.

@julienotsmith7068

Жыл бұрын

Oooh, I knew there had to be a logical explanation, given how casual everyone was about radioactivity then.

@Fizzypopization

Жыл бұрын

Actually the radioactivity was even worse than that as someone said it colored their skin. If they had that much radiation they had to be exposed to actual radiation containments.

There was a really great article about the Dyatlov Pass Incident written highlighting the same study Joe covered in the New Yorker earlier this year. It’s an excellent read if you’ve got the time. Also I’d love for Joe to cover the Khamar-Daban pass incident since it’s lesser known and possibly more horrifying.

@ChadVulpes

Жыл бұрын

Holy wow, that one's new to me. Thanks for sharing.

I heard in one particular report that the autopsy of the woman did show that she had blood in her stomach. Meaning she was alive when her tongue was supposedly cut out. The whole thing is just plain weird. Creeps me out!

@hanslanda8303

Жыл бұрын

Could’ve been her biting off her own tongue usually caused by sudden movements of the head/jaw (ie. falling, getting thrown around)

@gecko8948

Жыл бұрын

@@hanslanda8303 I really suggest looking a bit more into the case, this video is scratching the surface. The autopsy is in Russian (obviously) and there's a lot of misinformation about it. Also, the blood in the stomach makes sense in the light of the fact that all of the people found in the ravine had massive internal injuries. Internal bleeding is entirely possible

@witchflowers6942

Жыл бұрын

@@gecko8948 wouldn’t we know if the blood in her stomach was swallowed vs caused by bleeding within the stomach - and i assume they acquired the vast majority of their injuries all at once, so it could have been both.

@gecko8948

Жыл бұрын

@@witchflowers6942 I'm fairly sure the report only speaks on a "red slimy mass" in her stomach, and nothing more. A lot of what is discussed online is reaching.

@witchflowers6942

Жыл бұрын

@@gecko8948 huh, i dont disagree with you… but that’s real gross lol

THANK YOU for pointing out how dangerous that hike was.

@franklinkz2451

Жыл бұрын

To the rest of the world… thats called Sarcasm, and most people cant stand Sarcastic people

@julienotsmith7068

Жыл бұрын

@@franklinkz2451 only about half. I’m amazed at how many people think a hike through the Urals in freaking January was just a no-stress lark. In fact I’ve wondered for years if they were up there for some legitimate reason. It would make more sense. Russian or not, that wouldn’t be a fun hike.

@wolfmantroy6601

Жыл бұрын

🤣🤣🤣🤣

@petraw9792

Жыл бұрын

@@julienotsmith7068 So this is the real conspiracy, why were they out there?

@julienotsmith7068

Жыл бұрын

@@petraw9792 More a question. History is full of them.

Love this! I watched Caitlin Doughty, aka Ask a Mortician, explain how the movie Frozen helped solve this mystery. It is nice to see that the science backs it up. Both good videos and great mysteries.

@RealBradMiller

Жыл бұрын

Friggin' love that woman to death!! Her books are well worth a read. I'm evening wearing merch from the Order of the Good Death right now!

@oneoflokis

Жыл бұрын

A Disney movie?? 😄😄

@FillipJPhry

Жыл бұрын

love that channel. she's so fascinating

@m.f5569

Жыл бұрын

@@redneckshaman3099 lmao chill

@jadenpeltier1263

Жыл бұрын

Guess she couldn’t “let it go” 🥲

My only concern with this theory is why then the Hikers, for some reason, thought it was a good idea to abandon the tent when there was so little snow actually on top of the tent. They could've easily worked together to just stand up and hold the tent over a couple to dress up, push the snow off the tent, then either dig somewhere after retrieving their warming gear to hold out for the night, or just move the tent. Additionally if they were concerned about the slope or the wind, why they stayed away from the woods, again, made no sense. Pleas of exhaustion and hysteria when it's a pure suicide mission to leave all of your warming layers in such frigid climate even when half asleep makes such little sense it would be more believable the hikers went there to die on purpose. I would know because even as a Boy Scout and sleeping outside in upwards of -20 degree weather, I slept in my warming layers inside my sleeping bag and was still cold, to the point I would put my boots back on because multiple sock layers didn't stop the wind cutting through. That was with modern tents with wind-breaker shields and an entire bottom layer of hay, and with a buddy in the tent for additional heat. Why they're not dressed but somehow survived this cold weather for so long again, makes absolutely no sense. Just because something on the surface looks plausible doesn't automatically write it off as true. Because common sense determined they should have under pressure done just fine. Why it magically disappeared overnight will never truly make sense.

I rarely click a video that quickly. This mystery lives rent free in my head and I think of it every time I hear anything remotely similar.

I always wondered how they found foot prints in the snow nearly a month later. Especially in an area with extreme weather.

@AllynHin

Жыл бұрын

I made that exact comment on the previous video and had several commenters reply to explain to me how snow works. LOL I think it was a few folks trying to sound superior, but yeah, I always wondered that, too.

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

Because there was no avalanche, and the footprints remained frozen in the snow.

@Skitchhiker

Жыл бұрын

@@deborahminter6231 I can see how that would work in some places, but considering the weather there is reported to be high winds and regular snow fall it just doesn't make sense to me. I live in Virginia, and if the snow fall and wind are consistent for more than a day or two, foot prints are gone. Then again, I'm no expert on that area and there is very likely something Im not seeing see or considering. To be clear, I don't think it's a conspiracy, it just doesn't add up for me.

@deborahminter6231

Жыл бұрын

@@Skitchhiker Totally! It may be no conspiracy at all, it just seems that the theories so far have yet to adequately explain what happened. Maybe some day will finally get answers 🤷‍♀️

@dianac2498

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the avalanche hit them only 3-4 days before they were found. Perhaps they had other issues that put them behind schedule, and that’s why they were there. Not sure if that makes sense but I am also curious about the footprints.

If you ever went camping back in the day like I did....you learned about old coleman lantern mantles. They were slightly radioactive and after the first use they were basically radioactive fly ash.

@theobserver9131

Жыл бұрын

I camped a lot "back in the day". I didn't even really call it camping, I just basically lived outside during the summer (in Minnesota). Just because I went camping, why would I have learned that Coleman lantern mantles are radioactive? If the trees knew anything about it, they weren't talking. I don't think I even used Coleman lanterns anyway. When it got dark, I just let it be dark.

@theobserver9131

Жыл бұрын

I owned a Coleman lantern, I just didn't bother using it. More stuff to carry. I am a minimalist camper. Usually just a couple of blankets and some snacks. I hate sleeping bags. I can't stand being trapped in the bag, and they're usually too hot.

@cynvision

Жыл бұрын

makes me wonder what is in Thermacell pads

@sladewilson9741

Жыл бұрын

Those things were awesome.

@acts9531

Жыл бұрын

@@theobserver9131 I'm from Minnesota originally too. I don't care what else you had along on your nocturnal perambulations I KNOW one thing you had lots and lots of. Skeeter dope, preferably 100% DEET but the strongest you could get your hands on whatever that might be. Without that pretty much anywhere in rural Minnesota is unlivable after dark. Anyone who says otherwise is either a liar or not a Minnesotan. It's not a matter of being too tough for the mosquitos, you could literally sustain enough bites to trigger a histamine reaction if you just go out there in the woods in bare hide and resolve. I was born in Freeborn County and spent significant parts of my life in Douglas, Cass, Koochiching, Lake of the Woods and Beltrami Counties. Good to find another Minnesotan. Where are you from?

I have been watching every documentary regarding this case that I come across. Been fascinated by this mystery since I was in my 30's, and I am now 62. There is something interesting that I never hear anyone address when discussing what could have happened. That is, there is an entry in the diary of one of the hikers which reads "At least we now know that the snowman is real" And there is a photo recovered from one of their cameras that shows a mysterious figure standing in an odd pose beside a tree. My question is - could there have been someone stalking them ? Someone they referred to as "the snowman" for whatever reason? And, if not, who was in the photo who looked large & dressed all in black so that you can't identify them in the photo? And who could the diary text have been referring to? Could "his" presence there have been connected to the strange lights in the sky? I don't really buy the whole avalanche theory, and because of the unanswered questions about the diary entry & the photo of the dark figure, I think there is more to the story. Besides, I do NOT trust the government. Why did they keep all of this in the dark for so many years. They were hiding something. I just don't know what, & we probably never will.

@Rebecca-fg7pp

Жыл бұрын

I can't remember where I saw it but I watched a documentary that claims they were in fact murdered by a hostile hunting party. They weren't Mansi but some other group, a group even the Mansi feared. It had forensic experts, former F.B.I. agents who had studied the case, ( as a hobby, not in any official capacity) and several Russian experts. It was very interesting and I thought they presented some strong evidence. They even had an expert show that the tent had been cut into not out of. I'm not sure how they died. Avalanche seems most likely but doesn't answer everything. We'll never know 100%. If my old brain ever gets to firing correctly and I remember the name of the show, I'll post it. I just find it nice to see someone who's as interested in this as I am.

@RamboTim

Жыл бұрын

if you have read every case you know the anwser my friend: their internal stove got fucked and they had to flee their tent in a hurry. This explains the burn markes, cutting from the inside, lack of clothing and EVERY other aspect of the case. The internet blew this one up... sorry to be the messenger.

@beverlykrebs4372

Жыл бұрын

@@RamboTim This was a big mystery way before the internet. I knew about it in the 1970s & 80s. I don't think the stove theory explains everything, but it may be a factor for sure.

@dsoutherland1747

Жыл бұрын

I have also been interested in this tragedy for many years, and consider that the diary entry and photo evidence shouldn’t be dismissed. Those two things were left out of this video. One more thing not mentioned - on the opposite side of the tent from the large cut outs, there were a few holes notched out. The theory for these is they could have been look-out holes for watching…(something). If I’m not mistaken, the Mansi knew about large creatures they called the Menk. Also, one pathologist stated that the crushed torsos were indicative of tremendous “squeezing.”

@gecko8948

Жыл бұрын

There's a couple really good videos out there. One produced by Lemmino goes into quite a lot of depth, and a lot of their stuff has quite good production quality behind it

The member of the group with the missing tongue had blood in her stomach, a fact that was discovered during her autopsy. The loss of the tongue happened while she was alive. She swallowed that blood, so that wasn't the result of post mortem animal predation.

@witchflowers6942

Жыл бұрын

id like to know what amount of the tongue was severed and the nature of the injury that removed it, because that could give us a better picture of what happened. Edited to remove misconceptions.

@blarfroer8066

Жыл бұрын

@@witchflowers6942 she was missing more than her tongue. but yeah, i don't believe in natural causes either.

@dragonssociety3371

Жыл бұрын

It is possible to bite off your tongue during really bad accidents. You’re jaw is very strong and when you’ve been slammed into by a heavy weight (like a lot of snow) you’re brain can forget to safeguard from accidents like that. I dont know what the injury looked like, but that is a possible explanation.

@dd4850

Жыл бұрын

@@dragonssociety3371 these people want the theory to be “yeti” or “radiation turned one of the friends crazy”

@temeria1986

Жыл бұрын

Not true, the medical report states a black, slimy substance, no mention of blood in her stomach.

A follow-up video and a truthful (not misleading) title followed by good content. What an absolute treat!

@gaarabucket

Жыл бұрын

Idk this was a pretty misleading video to be honestly. He didn’t include any info that didn’t fit his theory and there is actually a lot. For example the animal taking her tongue makes no sense on account she was proven to be alive when she lost it. The to first found bodies (the two yuris) hand their own skin in their mouths. They’re was an undisturbed flag pole behind the camps found in both the camp pictures before the incident and the crime scene photos after and it was in the same exact position. Even a slab avalanche would have moved that. Furthermore the yuris where found by the remnants of a fire. One of those yuris had a burn injury on the leg. They later found that dubina had his pants (burn marks and all) cut up and tied around her shins. This means she outlived him and presumably wasn’t to injured to take his pants, meaning her injuries likely occurred later after the original incident. That being said hers and two other people found had injuries from compelling force, and yet very little externally injuries. If I remember right it was a few scratches in some of them, however this was from a while ago when I directly translated from Russian so I can’t remember who had such injuries. However all that being said the three who died of terrible internal injuries should have had more external signs of injuries from an avalanche. I don’t pretend to know what it is but I also don’t pretend that you could wrap and easy bow on it or that “the most logical solution is the answer” because there is simply no logical solution. It was likely a large series of odd events but this video is no more “truthful” than any other.

@chillinwithaguitar9980

Жыл бұрын

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I really love how you'll go back and cover topics more in depth or share new findings. It can't be easy to stay on top of it all but it is greatly appreciated

@kavalogue

Жыл бұрын

There was nothing here that was "more in dept" than any other video made on it in the last near decade. There where no new findings. Everything he stated has been known for years. Idk if this guy knew his fan base didn't know about this incident, or he just thought we where all idiots. But he's years and years late

@chillinwithaguitar9980

Жыл бұрын

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@blacktoothfox677

Жыл бұрын

Oh it's real easy when you have a team writing scripts. Read more, KZread less

@allhandsonsteamdeck1440

Жыл бұрын

OKAY SO THE AVALANCHE UNDRESSED THEM AND BROKE THEIR BONES AND SPRAYED THEM ALL WITH RADIATION COOL 😎 CASE CLOSED

@MDM1992

Жыл бұрын

@@kavalogue he's probably catering to the masses of his viewers, 12 year olds who shouldn't even have phones let alone unhindered internet access, of course they aren't old enough to know/remember the facts of such an incident, so probably thought nobody would call it out.

Paradoxical Undressing doesn't account for why they fled the tent naked. And the tent wasn't "covered with snow", it had very little snow on it and was easily visible to searchers

@maggielarkin9314

Жыл бұрын

Yep... and if paradoxical undressing is about thinking you're too hot in freezing conditions and take off your clothes then WHY did they light a fire???...

@AmusedChild

Ай бұрын

They didn't flee naked.

@sandorsbox

Ай бұрын

@AmusedChild several did because their wasn't enough clothing found among them to cover all and several were wearing clothes of the others

Two of the group worked for a lab that worked with radiation and even found it on their clothes at home.

@gaarabucket

Жыл бұрын

Both hadn’t worked at said labs in over a year, two for one of them.

@nihlify

Жыл бұрын

@@gaarabucket small particles can be radioactive for years

@gaarabucket

Жыл бұрын

@@nihlify that’s fair. I do however believe that the radioactivity of small particles would hardly be noticeable. Especially since we literally all have small particles of radioactivity. Technically we experience radioactivity daily, so it would have had to be a noticeable amount.

@gaarabucket

Жыл бұрын

@@nihlify we are exposed to approximately 0.1 to 0.2 microsieverts of background radioactivity an hour, so to be noticeable it would need to be more and yet have to be below 4 sieverts which would kill you

@timfriday9106

Жыл бұрын

the fucking lanterns had radioactive material in them...that's been a well-known and documented(solved) part of this story for a long ass fucking time...that wasn't even a real part of the mystery...just shit ppl been saying to keep up the hype about the wierdness. honestly....immediately people thought it was an avalanche, they just couldn't prove it because information on the particular type of avalanche wasn't well known/documented until somewhat recently... this was never really THAT big of a mystery...just one that hadn't been 'fully proven' yet. but very few people.

I was thinking avalanche as soon as you mentioned "car-crash" injuries - it fits all the facts - you are curled up in your undies in a sleeping bag fast asleep when several tons of snow crushes your tent. In the ensuing darkness and panic, someone finds a knife and you somehow cut your way out from the inside of your tent, drag your friends out onto the slope and make for the shelter of the trees - because you are in your undies, your clothes are all buried, it's dark and the wind chill factor is going to kill you quite quickly. Some of you make it, some of you don't - plan is to go back at first light and dig out some clothes and provisions - but the survivors all freeze to death before morning. Perhaps they climbed the tree looking for a safe place to wait out til morning - are there bears/wolves around the pass ? Perhaps it was warmer out of the snow and in the shelter of the branches. Without knowing more about the missing tongue, we could even speculate that it wasn't the whole tongue missing but just the front - which you could easily bite off yourself if a couple of tons of snow hit you in the back of the head whilst your were asleep with it hanging out - ouch ! Perhaps some of them tried to gather wood and light a fire whilst others sought shelter in the crevasse...

@SoulDelSol

Жыл бұрын

Yup bit tongue off

@squirlmy

Жыл бұрын

I don't like the "undressing for bed" idea. This was Russia in winter, in the wilderness. They didn't have efficient insulation like "polar fleece", no efficient heating source, and probably didn't plan on bathing in a river or anything. I'd be surprised if they didn't plan to go to sleep in their clothing. I'm not sure of altitude, but it gets really cold at night in the mountains. It only makes sense with hypothermia. If stripping for bed made sense, it wouldn't have been a point of debate and discussion all these years.

@julesgosnell9791

Жыл бұрын

@@squirlmy ok - let’s go with hypothermia then 😀

@kevw333

Жыл бұрын

@@SoulDelSol my thoughts exactly.

@xminusone1

Жыл бұрын

The whole thing about the missing tongue was most probably because of scavenger animals. I've seen pictures of the bodies and she was also missing both of their eyes. Mostly due to scavenger or birds.

I have just watched a documentary called "an unknown compelling force" about this. Its definitely worth a watch . It shows the post mortem photos and reports, the hikers personal diaries and photographs.

@79Bobola

Жыл бұрын

Yes THIS. I thought they did a good job laying out all the possible theories, ruling things out etc. What was the most interesting, is they proved the tent was open from the outside, something that everyone is misinformed about. Really is a game changer tbh.

I made a documentary on the Dyatlov incident last year and this is pretty much where I sit on it now too. I think it's one of those cases where every little detail has been analysed to such a degree that it's very easy to poke holes in the obvious theories while simultaneously taking massive leaps in logic to make something more exciting fit. It's such an intriguing mystery that I feel many people would rather it stays just that, even if they wouldn't admit it, which I do sympathize with to some extent.

@Messi10magic25

Жыл бұрын

Did you come across what the explanation was for the footprints still being visible but the signs of the avalanche weren’t? I would just assume if there was enough time and snowfall to cover the avalanche there would also be enough time for the footsteps to be covered? Also I’m only assuming the footprints were even still visible bc it was said in the video, and I don’t have other knowledge of the subject to verify independently.

@smaakjeks

Жыл бұрын

@@Messi10magic25 Wind blows away loose and powdery snow, but footprints are more compacted and therefore more resistant to the wind. It's very common when hiking on popular trails in the winter to see old boot prints from previous hikers sticking up from the ground at windy spots. Seen it many times myself.

@Messi10magic25

Жыл бұрын

@@smaakjeks Ah that makes sense. Thank you!

@smaakjeks

Жыл бұрын

@@Messi10magic25 No problem!

@asmodiusjones9563

Жыл бұрын

@@smaakjeks yeah but not after an avalanche. Even the smallest of avalanches would wipe out footprints. I don’t buy the avalanche theory simply because no avalanche took place there. The tent was still mostly up. I believe it was a fire in the tent, which caused smoke and forced them to leave quickly. Actually, as an experienced mountain climber, there is basically nothing about the Dyatlov Pass incident that seems unusual to me. Every hiking disaster has some variation of these things - blunt force trauma from a fall, hypothermia, seemingly conflicting decision making. What do you think a “normal” hiking disaster is supposed to look like?

I dont know why but everytime i get the flu or being sick i binge a lot of your videos. I watch you regularly but when im staying home and in bed i binge a whole bunch more haha

@StrawberryKitten

Жыл бұрын

No you dont lol

@damyr

Жыл бұрын

That's because only a sick person can binge watch him. He's too boring, too conservative, and doesn't stimulate imagination. The only benefit of watching him is that sometimes he talks about some odd cases which not many people heard about.

@peterwellnitz4220

Жыл бұрын

@@damyr hating just to hate lmao

@damyr

Жыл бұрын

@@peterwellnitz4220 Hating? No. Just noticing. I'm subscribed, but I barely watch his videos. Tho, once in a blue moon he does make a good one.

@exMuteKid

Жыл бұрын

@@damyr you obviously are just looking for stimulating, meaningless material like tiktok or yt shorts, you don't have the brain capacity to be able to find enjoyment in just facts alone. Let me guess, you're looking for flashy editing, funny cuts, speculation of extraterrestrial and sci-fi stuff, ANYTHING as long as you don't have to use your hippocampus, you amygdala activation-craving Neanderthal. You have the right to an opinion, but your opinion is utter garbage, like your intellectual abilities based on that comment, dAmYr. You even liked your own comment, how pathetic

HOLY COW my ex husband and I experienced the karman vortex street sound near Mount Hood in Oregon!! It was at a subsonic level- we could plug our ears and it got louder. It happened ALL NIGHT one night while we were camping. It was absolutely terrifying, we did not sleep AT ALL. In the morning, it was gone. Now we have an explanation!! Thank you!!

@richardknott4626

11 ай бұрын

They are saying though that the KVS can cause internal injuries without external damage.

I really liked Lemmino’s theory where essentially, one of the guys on the expedition had a homemade stove and chimney in the tent and it malfunctioned and filled the tent with smoke, thus dazing and confusing everybody and caused a panic, leading them to flee and die of exposure

@AndrewGribben

Жыл бұрын

Same, loved the Lemmino theory!

@princeamongmen7064

Жыл бұрын

Apparently they had not unpacked the stove on the last fateful night in question, plus it wouldn’t explain why they walked away some barefooted and mostly underdressed over a kilometre from their only shelter, I believe they were terrified buy something I know I would have to be really scared to walk away from my tent at night without fetching my boots, clothes and keys to my motorcycle😂

I am impressed how well this case was investigated back in the day. It's often frustrating to look at such old incidents, accidents and cases due to no one caring enough to test X or evidence Y got lost later, but here it feels like someone really wanted to know what was going on - I mean testing hikers for radiation doesn't sound too common to me.

@chillinwithaguitar9980

Жыл бұрын

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@algorithmgeneratedanimegir1286

Жыл бұрын

If the Russian authorities investigated this so thoroughly... I wonder if it was just an avalanche that killed them. The Soviet Union wasn't known for caring this deeply about dead folks.

@anhedonianepiphany5588

Жыл бұрын

If you take into consideration the political environment of the time and the nature of some nearby highly secret facilities (involved with a major accident a few years earlier), then testing for radiation makes perfect sense.

@anhedonianepiphany5588

Жыл бұрын

@@chillinwithaguitar9980 Have you taken it upon yourself to be our Ambassador of Tourism, or is this some kind of self-promotion?!? Anyway, have a good one, fella.

@chillinwithaguitar9980

Жыл бұрын

@@anhedonianepiphany5588 yeah both we're going to be promoting Australia and Australian Wildlife as the world needs to see our beautiful land 🇭🇲

Loved the video, Joe! Your promo section of the video was super funny! Keep up the great work man!

There are a number of problems with this theory. Firstly, part of digging down into the snow where you pitch your tent, is testing the snow to see if it's prone to avalanche. They would have been well aware of slab avalanches, know what conditions in the snow cause it, and would have been testing for it. They wouldn't have JUST been looking for a flat area. Secondly, you can see from the scene that there was no evidence of avalanche. An avalanche is actually the most obvious theory, and the reason this is a mystery in the first place is that there is no evidence of it. A slab avalanche requires old, compacted hard snow to make the slab. This will not just melt away or blow away in the wind. Thirdly, the tent showed signs that before they cut their way out, they cut slits for viewing. Lastly, paradoxical undressing isn't fairly common, it's fairly rare. We just have lots of examples of it because an awful lot of people die of hypothermia. If one of them exhibited paradoxical undressing, it would be an anomaly. But for most of them to exhibit it stretches credulity.

I had heard on one Dyatlov Pass "explanation" video that the radioactive clothes belonged to two of the men in the group that worked in a factory or some sort of facility where they would have made contact with radioactive material. So that explains that.

I love that you follow up on your old videos when new information is found. This was fascinating! Thank you for the wonderful variety of topics and the entertaining way you share the information. Love your videos!!

@timfriday9106

Жыл бұрын

this one is pretty late though...to be fair. I read the article talking about this being solved like...over a year ago, when I first came across joe's video on it and wanted to see if there was any update, and there was. =P

@kavalogue

Жыл бұрын

No new information found tho. So what the hell are you and everyone else talking about. This guy really knows his fan base. Knew ye knew nothing about this incident and took full advantage. Large parts of the internet have been following this extremely close for decades.

@chillinwithaguitar9980

Жыл бұрын

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What people keep glossing over and don't want to talk about regarding the story, is that several of the victims were found mutilated missing eyeballs missing tongues (like cattle mutilation cases)... also I think two of the victims were found with incredibly broken and traumatized bodies they didn't just fall into a ravine they fell from like 200 ft in the air... what likely happened is so totally unbelievable to most people that they keep trying to say they solved the mystery. Every year there's a new theory

@joax23354gamesetcmac

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, im seeing all the coments saying that this is solved when the biggest details are being avoided, they're like npcs

@79Bobola

Жыл бұрын

@@joax23354gamesetcmac THIS 💯

As for the tents being cut instead of zipped… isn’t it possible it was just so dark they couldn’t see the zipper? If the tent was in an avalanche, maybe it was tossed upside down and they figured it would just take less time (panicked and injured) to cut the way out? Idk makes sense to me

@pamelabowden3017

Жыл бұрын

If there were katakan winds, the tent may have been literally crushed with the force and with the group trapped inside, suffocating. There only escape would have been to cut themselves out.

@richardknott4626

11 ай бұрын

@@pamelabowden3017 Good point. I have long favored the winds as the most likely cause.

And thanks for the super interesting vid and presenting your sponsor in a genuinely engaging creative way. 😊👍🏻

These are my favorite videos that you do Joe. Love the mysteries!!

I'd definitely recommend checking out LEMMiNO's video on the case if you're interested in learning more about it, it does a good job at proposing and supporting another possible theory. Great video as always Joe!

@theungulate

Жыл бұрын

I was going to comment this. Lemmino's interpretation is definitely my favorite. I honestly think the avalanche theory is reaching as it needs so much technical justification. The simpler option is that their gas stove in the tent wasn't venting properly, or otherwise malfunctioned, and they cut the tent in a panic.

@chillinwithaguitar9980

Жыл бұрын

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@temerityxd8602

Жыл бұрын

@@theungulate Other videos have stated that the gas stove was not assembled so could not have been the cause.Bedtime stories did several videos on this and the last one presents a theory which is the one I find most plausible, basically the weather was calm when they set up the tent but during the night heavy winds (Katabatic winds) threatened to blow the tent down the slope with them in it. They then cut the tent open to escape before fleeing for the shelter of the trees and ultimately perishing.

@HagenMunsch

Жыл бұрын

@@temerityxd8602 and with the injuries that some of them had, wich would kill you in about minutes, they just walked some hundred meters ignoring they had to be dead already... Sounds legit.

@temerityxd8602

Жыл бұрын

@@HagenMunsch They were uninjured when they left the tent. Once arriving at the treeline three of them including Dyatlov attempted to return to the tent but succumbed to hypothermia before reaching it, some of those remaining were able to start a small fire before two of them died with one of them potentially falling into or very near the fire causing the burns found on his body. The surviving four members went further into the forest looking for shelter, they found a crevice/small ravine and built a snow cave at the bottom. The snow cave then collapsed on top of them, causing the heavy injury's found. The bodies were then further damaged by animal predation and exposure to the elements.

It still doesn't quite explain why they were naked? If they got covered by an avalanche, you'd imagine they weren't yet hypothermic when it happened, yet they chose not to bring their clothes from the tent? Were they already hypothermic when the avalanche woke them up?

Another point about the radiation, the brand of camping lamps found in their gear was known to be mildly radioactive. They thought the technology was safe at the time but around the 2000's it was discovered those types of lamps were a radiation hazard, nobody connected it back to Dyatlov pass initially but I've seen it mentioned in the last few years on some blogs.

My favorite theory is the stove smoking them out of their tent. Explains why they would have resorted to cutting their way out, and why they would not have immediately returned, and their state of undress. And the fact that many of them may have been more or less drunk at the time was basically a death sentence in the freezing cold.

@TerrinX

Жыл бұрын

A fellow Lemino fan

@MrFerrari458gto

Жыл бұрын

I thought they never lit the stoves?

@TerrinX

Жыл бұрын

@@MrFerrari458gto Check out Lemino's video from a few years ago

@TheFreeBass

Жыл бұрын

This is just ridiculous. These weren't bored kids out for a weekend in a park 2 miles from home. Why the hell would they trash their shelter in the middle of nowhere in freezing temperatures because of a little smoke? Likewise, anyone experienced with ANY kind of winter conditions knows that alcohol is NOT your friend. I find it hard to believe that an experienced group of winter hikers settled down for the night & got shitfaced. And to top off the alcohol point, I'm sure that if that were the case it would have been one of the first facts released w/ any autopsy report.

@TerrinX

Жыл бұрын

@@TheFreeBassIt's patch black, you just woken up startled, coughing unable having trouble breathing, eyes stinging, nose burning, barely able to scramble yourself upright amongst everyone else around you. Trying to get out of the front end of the tent to fresh air but failing either by not knowing which direction it is (this would be a very confusing moment) or simply not being able to reach it with everyone else in the way; etc. The smoke is insufferable, and no one can breathe, so after managing to find your knife you cut open the tent and everyone scrambles out to breathe some fresh air. This is where the trouble starts. I can't guarentee this is anything close to what actually happened but it would make sense either way. Lemino's video makes a very good case for the burner stove hypothesis (also; it is confirmed by the autopsy reports that some of them were intoxicated)

I listened to a similar story of mountain hikers mysteriously dying and it was especially horrifying because one girl survived to tell the tale. Somehow everyone got pulmonary edema at the same time and died violently and quickly. I'm no doctor or physicist so I don't know what conditions caused that or if they were present here but it's a horrible way to go and you'd definitely cut your way out of a tent if it happened to you or everyone around you.

@rfichokeofdestiny

Жыл бұрын

Do you have a link or some way to find out more about it?

@CJM-rg5rt

Жыл бұрын

@@rfichokeofdestiny Look up the Khamar Daban incident here on YT.

@rfichokeofdestiny

Жыл бұрын

@@CJM-rg5rt Thanks!

@Brett_Nebraska

Жыл бұрын

So in this case the survivor didn't know what the cause of the pulmonary edema was? It just randomly happened to everyone at once?

@Seth9809

Жыл бұрын

@@Brett_Nebraska Weird.

So a few things: 1. Of the two members with radioactive clothing, one worked with radioactive materials at the polytechnic school, and the other worked at a nuclear plant. The levels of radiation match this kind of exposure. 2. Another theory has been put forward for the cut tent and minimal clothing: their stove. To use a stove in a tent, you need a chimney. For the stove they had, if the chimney was set up improperly it could have funneled wind into the stove rather than smoke out, spraying hot ash and dust into the tent, causing darkness, disorientation, and panic. This would likely have lead to cutting open the tent in order to find a way out of the hot choking ash. Due to the suddenness of the incident, there would have been no time to get properly dressed. Paradoxical undressing could also have set in at this point, exacerbated by the already lacking clothing. 3. The missing tongue (and other facial bits, iirc) was also consistent with the body starting to decompose in water, as matches the bottom of the ravine. 4. The impact injuries could also have plausibly happened due to falling in said ravine.

Thanks a lot for this interesting video. Just some comments here. Some... The net picture 2.18: Anybody who know something about snowy conditions, notices immediately that the tent was not like this when they found it. The expedition party had done at least some digging. How much, we don't know. With any wind, the snow won't stay in that kind of sharp formations on the tent - that is impossible. In the pic it looks rather like somebody had stamped on the tent. That fact is very unfortunate - we don't really know what the tent looked like when it was found. Paradoxical undressing makes no sense: they did not remove their clothes in the cold - they left almost all of their warm gear by the tent when they were certainly not hypothermic. So, wearing only underwear was not due to any paradoxical undressing. They had little to undress, really. And those found trying to get back to the tent, had all more than underwear. Slab avalanche is good - its very very nice. But it explains little, or nothing. And, if we believe the tent pic, it never happened: the tent was still standing, 2 weeks later. It is easy to make up half a dozen plausible causes for panic in the tent, but none of them explains the fact they did not return minutes or some dozens of minutes later to, at least, get their life saving gear from the tent and around it. If the tent stayed there with no damage, as it appeared to, any intelligent creature would have gone back there asap to take warm clothes, food, axe and what not. If we assume that the escape from the tent towards the forest really took place, then there seemed to be something by the tent, that appeared to be worse than death. They bruised and cut their skin in order to climb a tree and gain sight towards the tent, but they never deared to approach it - before it was far too late. That is the question, the mystery: why did they abandon the only safe place they knew and chose a near certain death instead? In what kind of situation a sane person leaves the warm tent with no shoes? If there is an avalanche, you surely run - but if you then notice it was a false alarm, you come back and at least take ALL you necessary gear to survive. The tent seemed to be there, standing, did it not? If there is smoke in that safe haven, U get rid of the smoke and go back to sleep. If there is a dangerous animal, you fight, and then go back to sleep. No idiot will leave the tent in a freezing cold blizzard, and these people were no idiots. So, lets not "find answers" if there is none.

@richardknott4626

11 ай бұрын

Excellent observations. Something compelled them to decide that leaving the tent without taking the time to gather adequate clothing was a better option than to remain at the tent. Not sure when the catastrophic injuries occurred: while in the tent? at the ravine where the bodies were found? If in the tent, then I suspect the karman vortex street most. They had to leave to avoid more injuries, and would return when the wind died down. Some did try to return.

@timokautto7349

11 ай бұрын

@@richardknott4626 Yes, they had to leave, or they were made to leave. I for one have not been able to make my mind up.

I learn so much stuff from you, much of it I never knew how much I needed to know it till you bring it up.

There are a few details I rarely see mentioned that lead to a clearer picture of what may have happened. The people weren't just in their underwear, they were in various levels of undress and some were wearing each others clothing. There were burns on the hands of a couple of them and evidence of smoke inhalation. The type of tent they were using had a built in stove for heat. Most likely what happened is that the flow of smoke out of the stove pipe was disrupted and the tent filled with smoke, then the people tried to put out the stove which resulted in the burns. Eventually they resorted to cutting their way out of the tent and throwing on whatever clothing they could before beelining to the trees for whatever cover they could get. this could have happened as a result of an avalanche or was unrelated. Due to poor visibility it's possible that someone climbed the tree then fell resulting in injury. The people down in the ravine likely also just didn't see it or were swept into it by an avalanche. Animals probably ate the tongues. Doesn't really take any logical leaps to get there as opposed to the wackier theories.

@dawnadevine1618

Жыл бұрын

Makes sense! Thx!

@magical8013

Жыл бұрын

Or an avalanche could have triggered the coals from the stove to fly all over the place inside the tent. Which made them get out quick. But I've also heard that they walk slowly down the hill after this and they were not in a frenzy. I do believe that it's not a conspiracy and there's definitely a logical explanation, but it was twisted over time to make it sound like something insanely crazy happened.

@jamesbowman6925

Жыл бұрын

The clothing situation suggests that they left the tent in a hurry, but that could have occurred due to any one of several scenarios, including a slab avalanche. Regardless of whether they left the tent fully dressed or partially dressed, some of the victims could have also stripped off some clothing later due to paradoxical undressing.

@TheLinus1997

Жыл бұрын

Nice try, i know you're actually the dyatlov monster. You can't fool me.

@mattyb9936

Жыл бұрын

I’ve heard they were slightly radioactive, any truth to this “factoid”?

If it was an avalanche, the tent would have been covered. So I doubt it was an avalanche.

@missblackwood

Жыл бұрын

These kinds of small slab avalanches don’t leave evidence that lasts beyond a few hours much less a few weeks.

I would be cool with the avalanche theory if it wasn’t for a few things-the scavenger theory, the fact that no one was trapped in the tent, and the strange injuries. Why would scavengers just stop at eyes and a tongue???? Wouldn’t they have bitten other parts of the bodies too? Or if they only could get to the eyes and tongue, why did none of the other bodies get attacked as well? And why were the injuries consistent with getting hit by a car, not visible from the outside of the bodies? If something heavy enough to cause such damage falls on people causing crushing injuries, you’d see at least some of the damage from the outside, would you not? And how were these injured people able to run from the tent? Even with an adrenaline rush, I don’t see them getting as far as they were eventually found with those kind of injuries. But even allowing that they somehow were able to sustain such injuries inside the tent, get up and run away, it still leaves too many unanswered questions that just aren’t explained by an avalanche so benign that everyone made it out of the tent. If this were the case, why wouldn’t they dig their supplies out, or salvage what they could and try to set up another camp? Was the snow so deep they couldn’t reach it? If that’s the case, again, how were they all able to get out the tent? They surely knew that they had no chance of living in the woods without proper clothing or gear. It seems implausible that they wouldn’t even try to salvage items without a damn good reason that made taking their slim chances in the woods over returning to the tent a good idea or their only option. I’d risk getting caught in another avalanche to gather what I could, knowing there was zero chance of surviving otherwise. Sorry, while I have no idea what could have made them flee the tent and never return, I just don’t buy this theory.

@richardknott4626

11 ай бұрын

I think you ask really good questions. I doubt the avalanche too for the same reasons. Something had to threaten the hikers enough at the tent with the stove's heat to make moving to the trees in the life-threatening cold without adequate clothing seem like a better option. If the catastrophic injuries occurred in the tent, and not later at the ravine where the bodies were found or even post mortem somehow, then I suspect the Karman vortex street more likely because the hikers had to leave until the winds died down or risk more internal injuries.

@richardknott4626

11 ай бұрын

According to other reports the footprints leaving the tent did not indicate running. They walked down the mountainside, which still seems strange given that if they had time to walk, wouldn't they also have had time to dress adequately?

Yes, this kind of avalanche was treated about a year ago in the Ask a Mortician channel, where the situation of the undressed people was addressed too. The snow animations of the movie Frozen had to do with the solution.

@mickeydangerez

Жыл бұрын

How does it cause dead bodies to become radio active?

@MariaMartinez-researcher

Жыл бұрын

@@mickeydangerez The bodies weren't "radioactive," like in a glowing, drop dead around them fashion. They just had a tad more radioactivity than normal; if you research the subject, you'll find out that bananas and Brazil nuts and many regular things are also "radioactive." This video proposes the idea of some painting they used in their apparel contained radium; using radium in daily use objects was common at the time (hence the reference to the Radium Girls video, it's not a song, but a horrific case of criminally bad working conditions mixed with ignorance about what high radioactivity does); other comments here mention the hikers worked in studies about radioactive materials. And that's all about it. It's not aliens not some dark conspiracy. Buy a Geiger Counter and be amazed at how much radioactivity is there around you.

@kelliesaunders4905

Жыл бұрын

I found it interesting that a slab avalanche is treated like it’s a new discovery. On a much, much smaller scale everyone knows about them. Think about metal roofs, there are snow guards installed sporadically along the edges of the roof to keep the snow/ice from sliding off the roof as one big sheet which is much more dangerous that having small chunks of snow/ice slide off. It was just surprising that the video approached this phenomenon as if researchers have never dealt with it or noticed that this happens sometimes.

@MariaMartinez-researcher

Жыл бұрын

@@kelliesaunders4905 I think it's because that kind of avalanche had not been considered as the possible cause of those hikers' death until recently. The case is very unusual, in a terrain flat enough as to make slab avalanches not an obvious occurrence, and no survivors to tell what happened. And, when rescuers arrived, no traces of the avalanche left. The type of avalanche is well known, but it took some time to signal it as the likely culprit in this case.

@kelliesaunders4905

Жыл бұрын

@@MariaMartinez-researcher right on then. That’s an explanation I can go with. It did take me by surprise coming across as an event rarely heard of.

My father was a platoon commander in 'Nam. I still have the compass he was issued in training, and the warning on the casing says it contained 75 mcg of Tritium. The half-life of Tritium is 12.3 years and it's at least sixty years old, so I guess it's no longer a radiation hazard.

@1pcfred

Жыл бұрын

Half life means it's expended half of its radioactivity in that time. It's still half again as radioactive as it ever was after that though. It's kind of like the question how long does it take a bear to get out of his cave if he walks halfway out every day? The answer is he never makes it out. It's a half, then a half of that half, etc.

@GateKeeper36

Жыл бұрын

So it's official that the picture of the man or bigfoot lurking behind a tree is real. My question is why didn't that picture alarm the crew. Whoever took the picture should have been worried cause up in the cold mountain. A encounter with a man that's acting suspicious lurking behind a tree isn't normal. Why would they keep pushing forward when they know a strange man or bigfoot is close behind them or the possibility that it left after being seen by the photographer. I've seen this case tons of time on KZread and they never focus around the man or bigfoot following them. They just talk about the crime scene and each person's death but I believe it was either the stalker or the environmental where they chose to stop and camp. That spot could have been radioactive and to be on a high level of radiation could be painful and drive them insane. Than the stalker arrives punching one in the chest, ripping out a tongue for a meal later. That's my explanation on the case.

@tippyc2

Жыл бұрын

Tritium isnt supposed to be hazardous as long as its contained. You definitely don't want to break the vials though and breathe it.

@howdareyouexist

Жыл бұрын

@@tippyc2 actually you do, it is good for you

@paavobergmann4920

Жыл бұрын

@@1pcfred So its more than 4 halflives, so there is less than 1/16 of the initial activity left. That should be pretty safe, at least a lot safer than it used to be.

I've watched every documentary I cud possible find on this case bc it's so fascinating ...NOTHING that I've read so far explains everything that happened to them...

Fascinating video, thank you!! I learned a lot

Thanks for adding chapters to the video timeline

Hi Joe. Regarding the radioactivity; a far more likely scenario is thorium gas lantern mantles. These become quite brittle and make a fine dust. Even though they are not very radioactive, the dust will still be easily detectable above background levels. Obviously an avelache would easily break the lantern's glass casing. Thank you

@1pcfred

Жыл бұрын

In Soviet Russia lantern lights you!

@jamesknapp64

Жыл бұрын

2 of the hikers worked at nuclear power industry so could just be risdual from taking their cloths to work.

@gkess7106

Жыл бұрын

It was from their jobs.

@chillinwithaguitar9980

Жыл бұрын

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I've wondered about this for years. I always thought missing eyes/tongue means animals got to it after. But the radioactive clothing is still weird.

Joe, your commercials are so good, I'm now struggling through the video before I can finally see one! 😂😁

I always assumed the radiation was from their lamps. The socks you put on propane camping lamps have thorium on them. At least they used to. As we know thorium is radioactive. In fact it was the original girl for reactors until the uranium rush during WWII and after. And of course it's being looked into again currently.

I'm an avid follower of the Daytlov Pass mystery. Thank you for the follow up with such detail. However, I'd like to add that there is evidence that is not presented as often that I didn't hear you address,. A camera was found at the tent site and when developed two pictures stood out. One was of bright circlular lights low to the ground and the other shows a figure standing near the tree line siome distance away. No one has been able to explain these photos. I think these are important evidence to include when talking about this mystery.

@tomcat8849

Жыл бұрын

Like I've been telling in here they in countered a Sasquatch. And they are Big real and outclass us human beings.

@whatthefridge1o1

Жыл бұрын

Maybe the white things are snow that are our of focus

@Dorsidwarf

Жыл бұрын

How would a figure standing near a tree line be inexplicable? Just a badly-exposed photo of one of the team right?

@Spunney

Жыл бұрын

No one has been able to explain how they were able to take a picture of a human being in a forest. It cannot be explained. It is much more likely that it is an alien.

@kalodawg8297

Жыл бұрын

One of the member's diaries even has a comedic message like "Now we know who the real Snowman is", as if joking about one of the friends photobombing and looking like a snownan

Every time someone talks about Paradoxical Undressing with this case I roll my eyes. You really think that multiple members of an experienced mountain climbing group would get this condition all at once? There wouldn't be at least one member who would be able to talk some sense into them and let them know they had the condition at the time. And that they would get this condition while being inside their warm tent to begin with? Additionally, Lyudmilla Dubinina, the girl with her tongue cut off, was known to be a talker and would let you know when she felt like saying something and no one was going to stop her. Also, when her autopsy was performed she had a significant amount of blood in her stomach which means she swallowed it. Which means SHE WAS ALIVE when it happened completely doing away with the scavenger theory.

@79Bobola

Жыл бұрын

Agree 💯

@tomcat8849

Жыл бұрын

It wasn't cut out it was ripped out of her. Again Sasquatch.... Probably from her screaming in Fear...

@tomcat8849

Жыл бұрын

The Russian Military covered it all up...

So glad I found your channel again🤗

Great stuff. Always was fascinated by this story.

I really love ya Joe. You are entertaining and informative as are your other viewers. Who knew gas lantern sleeves/mantles were doused in radioactive thorium dioxide? I do have some lingering questions regarding the Dyatlov Pass Mystery. The tent was found standing, propped up sturdily with poles, ropes, and skis. Seems like a slab avalanche would easily take that down and move it especially if the avalanche was caused by cutting a platform for the tent. Also much of the clothes were found inside the tent which seems an unlikely location for paradoxical undressing. Also, I could not find how many of the 9 were undressed but paradoxical undressing occurs in less than half of those who die from hypothermia. So if all 9 had only socks and skibbies, that would be weird.

@anhedonianepiphany5588

Жыл бұрын

Actually, it is, and was, common knowledge that such mantles contain thorium, particularly amongst the educated. You should explore the East Urals radioactive trace for the far more likely answer to the “radiation mystery”.

@kavalogue

Жыл бұрын

Who knew? Hundreds or thousands. Possibly millions of people for years on end.

@Seth9809

Жыл бұрын

A lot of the other people pointed out that people get very wet while hiking in snow, and tons of people said they took off clothing in their tents to let it dry. It's possible they panicked or suffered paradoxical undressing while inside the tent, and then the irrational behavior afterward is just easily explained by paradoxical undressing.

The radioactivity did come from their equipment, specifically the lanterns they had. Gas mantle camping lanterns like those made by Coleman had thorium based gas mantles, which are radioactive. You gestured vaguely at the concept of radioactive gear, and I just wanted to offer more detail as to what that radioactive gear probably was.

That mystery has always fascinated me. The avalanche hypothesis always seemed to me one of the most implausible -- and I don't see any change coming from this 'new evidence'. For instance, 1) Why would you cut through the canvas from the inside, or, even more baffling, poke several holes through it? I mean, how much easier would that be than simply using the proper opening? If you're buried in snow, but sufficiently all right in order to be able to grab your tools and so on, wouldn't at least one of those very experienced hikers say something like "hold on, I'm close to the door, lets unzip it or whatever and work our way out through here? 2) The tent, however, didn't look a bit like anything that had been buried in snow if the pictures from the rescue team are accurate. I'm not just talking about the fact it was not found under any crushing snow (which could have melted, ok) but the poles were all in place etc. If the so-called 'avalanche' left the tent in that almost pristine state, minus the cuts from the inside, then I guess even my fridge could have done a scarier job. 3) Why-oh-why would, again, VERY EXPERIENCED HIKERS or just anyone, really, with a pair of working neurons, come up with the brilliant idea of walking away from the tent into the freezing darkness -- into oblivion -- without even taking the time to 'fish' up their boots and heavy jackets instead of just working to free the tent from the supposed snow that had buried it? "Hey, lads, let's dress up everyone and dig this free; come on, we are many, it will take just five minutes". "Nah... Let's just walk very slowly in socks and T-shirts that way over there. Can't see where I'm pointing at? No problem, let's just spread and go stargazing anywhere in this rich -50° weather"... To mention just a few incongruous points.

@kin2naruto

Жыл бұрын

Head injury explains all the irrational behavior unfortunately well. The real mystery is where the head injury came from.

@Seth9809

Жыл бұрын

Found the person who doesn't understand paradoxical undressing. You're expecting people who are burning alive and on fire, to very slowly do things.

Joe, kudos to always discussing the cases with care and compassion. You never seem to forget that these were people. No matter the separation of time or the strangeness of the cases, you address the humans involved with respect. It is not an easy thing to do. Again, kudos.

@chillinwithaguitar9980

Жыл бұрын

Come look to see what Australian life is like an to see What our animals look like. Hope to see you there 🐨🇭🇲

@ponyboyuk01

Жыл бұрын

Heaven forbid that you ever go missing, and that your body's discovered sans tongue, I know the frst place I'd look...lol

ok, not big on in-video adds, but that transition was pretty darned good. also, really enjoyed the video overall. I hadn't heard about the newer study, so I actually learned something new. 😀

the ad read at the end is unhinged, and the foley, just makes it even more so.... bravo.

Nice. Theories tested, and proved plausible. Accidents, and laziness happen no matter the skill of people. Just have a look at how many expert divers, or cavers doing their jobs end up failing. Even doctors screw up. Expertise doesn't eliminate simple failures. Now I just wish someone to go into those forests where people have 'teleported' / disappeared like in the 411 Missing cases, as well as make a return to the Skinwalker Ranch.

It's always amazing in "modern times" how these mysteries still happen...

Ive heard my grandmother talk about this several times throughout the years when i was young and like others, she had her theories. Im 56 now and this video has me wondering again what happened to these people. Great video.

@jaakpotts

Жыл бұрын

Please, please share her theories! I would love to read that. I find this subject fascinating.

@thebigpicture2032

Жыл бұрын

Avalanche is most plausible. Cut out, run for your life. Everything buried so no choice but try surviving the night. Two groups, two different theories on how to survive.

@jaakpotts

Жыл бұрын

@@thebigpicture2032 I’m interested in hearing what others thought about it at the time, like grandma’s stories. It’s easy to do theories about it now, but I’m looking for what was going through peoples thoughts back then.

@RobertaTMS_

Жыл бұрын

That would be interesting too. I'd like to know.

You failed to mention all the hikers had very bruised “ boxers” knuckles, and only the hikers near the ravine had crushed rib cages, oh and the woman was wearing the burnt trousers from one of the guys with a burnt leg under the cedar tree. Oh, and there was a newly built shelter further down the mountain………

@richardknott4626

11 ай бұрын

Why would all have bruised knuckles?

Yes, some of them paradoxically undressed in the tent and then they all went for a nice walk outside and stayed there until they died. Staying outside naked is much better than digging out your clothes from your mostly intact tent, right?

@timokautto7349

Жыл бұрын

Of course, that is what I do all the time when hiking in the cold.

Thanks for exploring these theories about a mystery that has been so compelling over the years. My only wish is that you might speak a bit more slowly in your narration. The speed at which you talk makes hard work of absorbing the information.

If you learn the names of the hikers ,their experience and the individual injuries it becomes more compelling that something other than an avalanche happened for instance one the hikers had marks on his hands that are common in fist fights another may have bitten his hand to stiffle a cry

@79Bobola

Жыл бұрын

There’s also a very recent docu, where the guy was able to view the original tent, and along with several other people, came to the conclusion that it was actually torn from the outside. That’s a game changer right there.

@aaronssweetstuff6666

Жыл бұрын

@@79Bobola no kidding that would chance the entire context of the incident, in my mind the most likely thing is weapons testing there was a lot this video didn't mention like the "unknown compelling force " comment etc.

@lilitdarkside8730

Жыл бұрын

@@79Bobola interviewed one of the people who found the tent and he said that he and his friend cut the tent to see what inside

@lucaskroes9592

Жыл бұрын

Experts were doubtful that an avalanche could occur in that area, it wouldn't surprise me if the group underestimated the avalanche risk and got caught out. Marks around the knuckles are not uncommon when hiking outdoors (in winter)

@Spunney

Жыл бұрын

Maybe they hard marks on their hand because they were trying to do a satantic ritual! Or maybe getting scuffed up is just a thing that happens in the wilderness. It's kinda pointless to speculate about something so trivial

You are amazingly thorough and multiangled.

The Dayatlov group were hiking/skiing/climbing to receive required certification for climbing in specific places. They were experienced...AND Russian. Aeolian or infrasound? Slab avalanche? Radioactive? Crushing chest trauma? The Mansi? Carved up tent? Boots left behind? I'm not convinced by any of the theories...the mystery remains imho. When the world was considered flat...old maps read, "Beyond this place, there be dragons." Thanks Joe!

I think LEMMiNO's theory is really plausible and makes a lot of sense, and that came out about 6 years ago

@fajaradi1223

Жыл бұрын

That dude production quality is very good. But the frequency tho ...

@More_Row

Жыл бұрын

@@fajaradi1223 that’s why they are good… the frequency. It takes effort

This is fascinating! I'm glad to hear the avalanche theory is gaining ground.

@laughablelarry9243

Жыл бұрын

It's just a theory. Always remember that. No matter how much you want it to be true, doesn't make it so.

@VosperCDN

Жыл бұрын

@@laughablelarry9243 Which also applies to those wanting it to be some weird phenomenon or alien event. Sometimes, the simple answer is the answer. (Occam's razor, basically the best explanation of any phenomenon is the one that makes the fewest assumptions.)

@79Bobola

Жыл бұрын

@@VosperCDN it doesn’t have to be aliens or Bigfoot for it NOT to be caused by an avalanche?!? Not sure why people think that if you disagree with the avalanche theory, you must be some conspiracist, it’s asinine.

No. If you’re trying to flee from an avalanche you pierce the tent with a blade and make a long vertical cut that everyone then slips out through. You don’t make numerous cuts (many horizontal and only a few inches) and many without a purpose. Also, you don’t line up your shoes inside the tent entrance instead of putting them on your feet!

@79Bobola

Жыл бұрын

Avalanche theory is BS.

I remember from the Lemmino video that the irradiated clothes only came from two individuals and both of them had worked with radiation in past careers

Oddly enough... it was a Disney movie that helped with figuring out the slab avalanche theory. A computer simulation program that created some of the sliding snow animations in the movie Frozen was so realistic it was used to recreate the conditions on the night of the incident. And those simulations concluded that it was entirely feasible (and probable) that a slab avalanche was the smoking gun. Occam's Razor... lol

The only mystery is how some of them are found crashed in the ravine, two are frozen naked and the rest of them freeze to death in attempt to climb back to the camp. There is a theory for heavy snow which started to crash the tent, so they cut from inside to escape and may be then the avalanche hit them ... who knows it had to be a hell of a crazy messy situation.

There is a KZreadr named Mythenmetzger who has much information about this case because if I remember it right that he has some contacts who live near were it happened. I also remember that he told about that a grave was reopened and the person who should be in there wasn't in there instead there was another person in it. But he speaks german so I guess it's not for everyone on here but still he has a lot of content about this topic if someone is interested

Love your ending promo video and that's coming from a person that hates commercials 🤣 you really made me want to try Hello Fresh

How many times have I seen Hello Fresh sponsored segments on other creators channels? Alot! This is only the second one that I have watched all the way through, just because I like Joe's delivery! Ryan George is the only other creator that I Don't skip most sponsored segments!!

@arthurdent9281

Жыл бұрын

Same here! Good transition, and it was funny :)

With segues like that, you've earned my watching the whole ad.

The only thing that is confusing me, and do correct me with the explanation... is that in my mind, avalanches are quite sudden and unexpected? Or are they? Would the hikers of been woken by the impending fall of snow in time to cut themselves out of the tent and try and flee? In particular (obviously) are slab avalanches particularly loud and booming as they approach?

@berretta9mm17

Жыл бұрын

Why would they CUT themselves out, when they could have just opened the flap and run? You don't cut your only means of survival in sub-zero weather. These were VERY experienced survival trekkers - including one ex-army veteran. There are things in this reality that we do NOT understand (more by far than what we DO understand), and "the simplest explanation" does NOT mean it is correct. Physics - nature - and reality itself, are far from simple, and often just jumping to the simplest explanation, in the face of other existing evidence - which comes from studying this case closer (like the fact that their bodies were SO radioactive that they were all buried in metal coffins, and a ton of other odd instances) just makes you look like a simpleton.

I think they heard the missile launch which was taking place that night in the distance, thought that it was an avalanche, and cut their way out of the tents in a panic. They ran down to the trees in an attempt to avoid what they thought was an avalanche. When they realized they were out in the snow, far from their destroyed tents, they tried to start a fire. A couple climbed the trees to get dried branches for wood, but fell because of the numbing cold. One hit their head, and someone tried to get them to the tents for medical supplies, but they froze on the way. The others tried to hide in the river bed to avoid the freezing winds, possibly because the water might have actually been warmer, but also froze during the night. The low level of radiation on their clothes could have come from a number of sources.

A note about the radioactive clothes: Certain gas lamps have radioactive torium dioxide in the gas mantle, some of that could have gotten on their clothes if the lamp broke in the avalanche.

This theory doesn't explain why would they escape without clothes, some might say "oh but they were afraid of another avalanche, but every experienced hiker will tell you that it's better to dig out your clothes despite risks, because it still gives you better chances of survival then going of without clothes.

Ghosts? Aliens? Demons? Magic? Portal to another dimension! Something weird! No? It's just a bunch of people that went crazy from being cold? 😥

Great video! This version of evidence makes the most sense and connects most with the evidence! Thank you for telling the story

this is all well and good, but I have a couple of problems... when the rescuers found the scene, the tent was above the snow and perfectly visible. in fact, the broken down tent simply looked like it had been snowed on over the last several days. the tent was not buried in snow, which would be consistent with a slab avalanche. you can see a picture of the way the tent was found by clicking on the wikipedia article above. you can clearly see the tent above the snow. how would a massive slab avalanche which supposedly hit the tent and its occupants with enough force to cause injuries that are consistent with a high speed car crash leave the entire tent uncovered for investigators to find even weeks later after multiple additional snowfalls? moreover, the hikers ran nearly an entire mile away in their underwear knowing it was certain death in order to hide in the woods nearby... over an avalanche that wasn't even big enough to cover their tent?? it takes the average person 8 to 11 minutes to run a mile on even well paved terrain. to run a mile in ankle deep snow on the side of a mountain?? they must have continued to travel that mile down toward the woods in bare feet knowing they were freezing to death for 20 minutes or more due to the rough terrain inhibiting the speed of their travel on foot... so a small avalanche happens in a split second, which is not even big enough to cover their tent, yet somehow has enough force to deliver life threatening injuries to some but not all of the hikers, then they cut their tent open and run/hike in bare feet toward the woods nearby for 20 minutes or more after the avalanche was over, and during that 20 minutes or more no one ever thought to turn around and get their clothing or gear... why keep traveling away from the tent for SO long after the avalanche was over? even if there is a risk of another avalanche, that's just a risk. staying out in the cold is 100% death. I would have immediately turned around and gone back to the tent to retreive my clothing and gear when it was clear that the avalanche was over (which should have been clear within 2-3 minutes) to increase my chances of survival. why keep running/hiking away from the tent for 20 minutes or more? it just doesn't make sense to me.

@cheerful_crop_circle

Ай бұрын

So they were running from a creature?

I can't cite a source for this off of the top of my head, but i remember seeing somewhere that one of the hikers did some work in a laboratory where they handled radioactive materials, which could account for the radioactive clothing. Again, i cant remember where i read/saw that information so it could be incorrect.