Thanks for watching guys, do you think the CS is worth the extra £22k?

@Misanoblue

3 жыл бұрын

Lets see Joe ! I think it is - given all those CF parts - Roof , Bonnet , Interior , Tricolour M Badge on the seat , etc , and given that its a limited edition - and its coming with a 6MT !

@craigj2483

3 жыл бұрын

Get serious envy seeing you reviewing the m2. Wanted 1 since it was first released. It's got that slight mental side the M cars of old used to have.. with the cs it Depends where the extra 22k has been spent. Did it go on interior design or was it spent wisely on the mechanical side making it more of a monster.

@Levente20

3 жыл бұрын

nope. u simply get an m2 comp. pack it with every mperf parts + stage 1. bamm you have a much better car then the CS. and you end up still cheaper. i dont wanna be a hater but really this car is just a cash grab nothing more.

@ianmitchell9102

3 жыл бұрын

If it drives 10% better, I would say it’s worth the £22k extra. It’s a very rare model that will probably be worth £50k plus in 10 years time 👍🏻

@tyl1795

3 жыл бұрын

I have a manual M2C and before I brought it, I seriously considered waiting for the CS, but couldn’t see the additional 20+k in cost! (my car had 600 miles on the clock at a very good price so the cost difference was is even greater!) Yes there is some more carbon fibre and some other changes, overall it didn’t tempt me! Is it a true Ltd edition car? It’s Ltd by how long it is being produced for, but who knows how many they can/will produce in that period, probably plenty....... give it 12 months they would have dropped to a more sensible value and make more sense, but I don’t see the jump from the comp to the CS as enough of a step to warrant it, perhaps you’re video will tell me otherwise! Having said that it is a wicked machine and you can’t deny it looks mega! Sure this video will be great as ever mate, keep up the good work!

Joe, I don't know if you go back and read comments on old videos. When the OG M2 came out, I greatly wanted one and couldn't get it at the time. You were one of the primary KZreadrs I watched to get my M2 fix, since I couldn't have one. Now, years later, I finally got my OG 2018 BMW M2, with a stick, in Long Beach Blue (I don't know if the color names were the same across the pond). Now I'm watching M2 videos again, except because I own one. I prefer the OG over the C and CS. Thanks for the videos and I'm still watching.

@anthonyb2990

Ай бұрын

You prefer the OG because it's just a better car period.

Great review Joe! We think we can build a better M2 for the money though, come get the keys!

@2candan1

3 жыл бұрын

Would like to see this and no doubt you guys would 👌 I’d way rather an £80k evolve M2 comp than a CS

@bobstarr

3 жыл бұрын

Don't leave us hangin' Joe, reply here so we know it's in the picture.

@spencerbitcon9213

3 жыл бұрын

With the warranty still intact?

@ns51lva88

3 жыл бұрын

Ha we know Imrans M2 already tops the CS! Easy pickings

BMW has a very simple formula for all the CS cars. Use high end tires to increase the performance; Use carbon fiber parts to increase the price.

@fastanfun

2 жыл бұрын

Great summary👍🏼

@thisisrob8750

2 жыл бұрын

Don't forget about the amazing adaptive suspension added to the cs over the competition. Also the seats feel a lot better to me and my competitions did.

@RB-xv4si

2 жыл бұрын

@@thisisrob8750 adding the CF roof is a performance gain. I’ll give them that. But it stings to remember that CF roof was standard on an M3 and M4 (even without a comp package!). I never found out if they upgraded the M2 CS driveshaft to carbon fiber, which, by the way ALSO came standard on base M3s and M4s, until they killed it off because of the new required particulate filter encroaching on it (it’s a larger diameter than a standard steel driveshaft).

@tomkinross7213

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't really 'sting' as much, not having equivalent CF of other models, when the chassis engineering & torsional balance is considered. Precise & considered use of materials/attributes efficient, too much is not..

Look at the M4CS and M3CS and you'll see they aren't really holding any value for being "Limited". My local dealership bought one in for less than £40k and those were going out for £90k+ at one point! Amazing car but not £20k+ more than a comp amazing. However you aren't "smart buying" a M2CS this is for those who want it and the price is irrelevant which i'm glad they make it for more choices the better. Excellent video as always man!

@ethanwaterfield8368

3 жыл бұрын

The M3 CS is holding it more so than the equivalent M4 CS, but that’s simply due to it more limited numbers, but yes other than that they’ve both lost a big ol’ chunk.

@ohgodwhy

3 жыл бұрын

I think it's good because it just shows that the market wasn't happy to be ripped off. The current prices are more reflective of their actual value and tbh it was frankly a joke to charge £90k for it.

@ethanwaterfield8368

3 жыл бұрын

9uard it’s more than just software... GTS Carbon fibre bonnet, different mapping and boost pressure (more linear), higher pressure oil pump, standard air con with rear delete, Gerny flap, 19/20” staggered wheel setup with light weight 736M as standard, different sway bars which are standard front, comp rear. springs being non-comp with sunroof front and non-comp rear with spring rate setup to cup 2 tyres. revised differential and comp based exhaust with stainless steel tips, as well as CS specific software. Admittedly abit of a parts bin car, drive an M3 Comp and a CS back to back and they feel like a completely different entity. Even if you have GTS and CS software coded in it still doesn’t feel like a CS. It’s how the F80 should have been all along.

@cenkhanyilmaz8586

3 жыл бұрын

For that money we could buy a year old m5 comp. 625hp just saying 🥴

@ethanwaterfield8368

3 жыл бұрын

Cenkhan Yilmaz you could and admittedly probably the more sensible choice... however it’s no where near as engaging as a CS and or as special. The M5 is excellent, but it still feels a big near 2 ton machine that just doesn’t give you that driving feel.

Why is it that good content creators don’t have the recognition they deserve, this channel deserves at least a million followers? A BMW FAN . Keep it up friend 👌

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks buddy, comments like this make my time and efforts worthwhile 👌👊❤️

@tanvirhussain6106

3 жыл бұрын

Very good point, it just shows that people of today are slowly going crazy. they'd rather watch something that makes no sense labelled 'DSG fart compilation' instead of some real meaty content like we have here

23:18 RIP. Showed full commitment to the CS review. True hero. Gone but never forgotten.

@eshanmirash2456

3 жыл бұрын

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A great video with 2 impressive and superb cars. But even more impressive, is Joe mastering the art of being a car KZreadr. Introduction, body, and conclusion, it is all there, perfectly told, captivating! He was good a few years ago, he is now brilliant. I am glad the rapid increase in subscribers backs up the amazing work done. 👍👍

Great review man! The Misano blue metallic looks lovely, black wheels look good but the gold 763m wheels are a must in my opinion. I would prefer this over the M2C if I had an excess amount of $$ to spend haha

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks legend! Yeah agree the gold 763's would have really completed the look! Hope you're well bro, have a great weekend and hopefully meet you one day soon....

Great video, Joe. Very informative and so well edited. I know it takes many many hours to put together a video of this length. We appreciate it!

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you buddy, was a long couple days filming and a three day edit, but worthwhile for a comment like yours 🙌❤️👊

Well worth the wait. Great video. Thank you for keeping us entertained 👍🏻

Another great video Joe! Love the subtle styling tweaks of the CS

Joe, great review and comparison of both the cars. Thanks for sharing. Rick

One of your best videos lately imo. Balanced review of both cars, shame I couldn't make the straight6 trackday this time around to experience the cs in person

Great video mate, nice to see them side by side 🙂

Thank you for another excellent review! Keep up the good work!

The best M2 CS Video on KZread nice one fella and thank you 👍

As usual @Joeachilles I really enjoyed the video...and I hope to see you out on a future petrolheads tour. I just got back from a week in Austria and did the Stuttgart to Munich stretch on the autobahn, hardly any traffic for a Monday afternoon so you could really open up. We did a 200 km stretch in 1 hour to 1 hr 10 min.

I like your presentation style, it's detailed and doesn't sound showy. Don't change!

Nice video! Very interesting that it isn't that much faster on track and actually the bigger difference is on public road. I kinda expected it to be other way around. The CS however might be quite collectable car in coming years.

Thanks for the insights you share. They've really been helpful in figuring out what car to choose and what I'm willing to pay.

This was a much better detailed comparison between the two M2’s over what 888 did recently. Got a good feel for the differences between the two cars. Thank you.

Great video mate. M2CS looks stunning

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks legend 👊❤️

Nice & casual review joe, not a loud younger fella some were in the past you are easy to listen to & your review of both of these m cars a good comparison overall as i've yet to own a bmw, & what i would like to get next after my 2018 RS3 sportback, so thnks & will definately watch another of your reviews again.

Brilliant video, Joe! As a 2016 F87 owner, I love seeing your passion and admiration of the M2. We just don't get the same here in the States

As always another very nice in depth review, Joe. When’s the next track outing ? Hope you’re keeping well.

Fantastic as always sir!

Day off work, roasting in the back garden, looking forward to this Joe like many viewers would love to have an M2 comp one day, trouble is I will cry like a big baby when the M140 goes

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Haha sounds like you're having a decent Friday mate! Hope you enjoy :-)

This two cars are beauty. I love the new color of the CS but my favorite is always the blue of the old m2.

Really cool. Thanks for the great comparison. You know I have the M2 PE in Miami and I was super curious about the CS. Your conclusion makes sense. The CS is made for the road. So we’re still missing a hardcore M2 track model from the factory, like a GTS. I’m modding brakes and adding a downpipe to the M2 PE. Might even do seats and go full track weapon. It’s not a daily anymore... cheers Joe!

For the wheels, my favorites are still the original M2 wheels.

@krasnaludek298

3 жыл бұрын

No, these CS equipped are best - that is factual.

@1980venom

3 жыл бұрын

@@krasnaludek298 I'm not talking about the best, I'm just saying MY favorites. Light weight wheels, like the CS ones, are always better, everyone knows that.

@itnoked

Жыл бұрын

The 437 wheels on the OG M2 that you like actually aren’t far off the 763m CS wheels in weight

Know I'm 6 months late commenting on this vid, but what a great video this is! So interesting that you conclude that the M2CS is actually a better road car, not necessarily much better on track (bit counter intuitive, but makes sense). I'm in Australia and the M2 CS's are basically impossible to get a hold of, but maybe in the next few years! Thanks Joe, love your videos and your channel

Looking forwards to this one joe!! 😎😎

Been looking forward to this 👍

Great vid bro, we are Bmw fan boys and appreciate the attention to detail M have put into this CS, they are like Rolex constantly improving, for me the CS is worth it, all that OEM engineering and the looks on that colour 👌🏻

ooh exciting, been waiting for something new and now drops a "CS"

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Hope you enjoy it :-)

@rokstaz

3 жыл бұрын

@@JoeAchilles1 very good opener review and the track day was a treat

That orange M2 seems to have lost its numberplate? Much prefer it in that colour however!

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yeah apparently the owner can reach high enough to mount it.... ;-)

@RobBoothAutomotive

3 жыл бұрын

Disappointing lack of b-roll showing Rollini fill up from 0 miles of range 😀

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

@@RobBoothAutomotive 😂😂😂😂😂😂👌

@rollini

3 жыл бұрын

Rob Booth Automotive it happened so regularly we kept forgetting 😬

@haydensmith888

3 жыл бұрын

That Orange M2 looks the bees knees - I think I keep seeing it at Shell in Nottingham . . . . . .

Lovely stuff Joe!

You're a natural, Joe. And the motors aren't bad, either! Interesting and informative comparison, cheers. 👍😎

Great Video Joe 👏👏👌🏻👍

Great video Joe, looks like you had some good fun filming this one. M2 CS appears to be way too heavy for what it is. BMW say its the same weight as an M4 CS, which have now dropped to £55k. I know which one I'd rather have....

@Alby911

3 жыл бұрын

Heavy but performance on par with the Cayman GT4, marginally beating the Porsche in this track battle along with the A45S: kzread.info/dash/bejne/i4OL07OzfMScqbw.html

Nice laps Joe!

Excellent video Joe I love the CS here in Canada they’re are roughly 30k over the comp model I must say that some of the biggest differences you’re highlighting are the suspension and stickier tires but let’s not forget the forged wheels that will contribute to the ride as well. The adjustable suspension is nice but I think the comp is very good around the city especially our shitty roads here in Canada. I’m not sure how much of a difference 40 hp makes I’m sure it’s the map that’s slightly different. But nonetheless the CS is a sexy car the carbon bling is awesome I can’t wait to see one on the road.

Joe this has been a very good review of the two cars and the way the CS was performing and I was only watching seemed the better car but like you said it is a year older and the technology never stops so my opinion is that they are both race cars really, and the blue one is the best one, but is damn dear for an everyday motor, however if you were going to give me one i`m not going to say no!!!

Good vid as always, but I can't believe all those extras apart from the carbon brakes are not standard on a £72K car?!

Love all your videos. Big bmw fan. And love the m2

It would be interesting to see you review Litchfields M2 Comp with their ECU tune. That could be fun😉.

If Ian totally honest not a big BMW fan but I do like these smaller cars like the classic 1M and now the take over of it to a different degree the M2 cars and this CS version in this colour is spot on, Joe Iam like yourself let's not kill the Manaul..!! 👍will be interesting what you think of the M2 Cs in Manaul form. Cracking Video ☺

If you wanted to, you could give the comp a slight tune, cup 2 tyres, not sure what that will do regarding reliability but perhaps cheaper way to reach the CS performance.

Cracking video Joe!! Great comparison, £83k though... Ouch! Would much rather an M2 (N55) with some Nitrons, sticky rubber, good setup and pocket the change!

I wonder just how easy those wheel arch extensions come off...

Dream car ....great review

Good vid joe.

Nice video as always. RIP for that little bird that squashed into the cs front.

Great review! At 83k puts it in direct competition with a base 911 let alone a gt4! Yikes. Your M2C is the sweet spot in the range IMHO.

Man that blue is stunning

Interior on the CS looks insane. Shame they never made a CSL version.

Thanks for the video! Got a CS manual misano blue gold wheels on order here in Australia. Can't wait!

@nessuno5403

3 жыл бұрын

Too Impreza STi but congrats in seeing value to spend on this overpriced and overhyped model

@Sarncho

3 жыл бұрын

@@nessuno5403 can always wrap the wheels black 😂 I would say pricing is probably about right here in Australia. It's about 50k less than a Cayman GT4 here.

@nessuno5403

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sarncho I really do mean congrats and if you like gold wheels, ignore people like me 😉 I know Down Under people cancelled orders and gone to new 718 GTS 4.0 instead. That would be my choice too, but happy (and biased?) with M2C. What brakes did you spec? Because that too takes you higher in the Porsche options.

@Sarncho

3 жыл бұрын

@@nessuno5403 Porsche a bit outta price range. Just went with steels. Carbon 16k extra, it won't be tracked enough to make it worthwhile.

@nessuno5403

3 жыл бұрын

@@Sarncho sensible to go steel then (I optioned the same system) and Jesus... I assumed the GTS would not be $175k instead! Talk about getting ripped off compared to other markets where CS is at a closer price point!

It looks like a bargain if you consider the Renaultsport Megane Trophy R cost £70k ! Lovely car ❤️❤️ great vid as always Joe

Legendary!

9:20 KILLED ME MATE ahah

Surely needs a Remus CAT back and M2 CS boot badging in black Joe..

Have myself an m2c bought in dec.19 with huge discount for beeing end of year and made it as I wanted it included 60 hp and 70 fit/lb more after break-in and I still have money saved for bbs Fi-r . Adaptive suspension is what I really miss compared to the cs

Yes, it's truly beautiful in every way, but unless my surname was "Shiek" I just couldn't justify that price. I noticed Chris Harris loved it too, but you're close to used 911 GT3 cash there, surely. Stunning colour though with those wheels. 👍

M5 CS coming soon

Very nice car!!!

Nice vid. I really like the CS, but I struggle with the price of it especially if they deprecate like the last CS cars. It’s be hard to look passed the GT4 at that money. An M2 is my next move from my M140i, although used M4’s look like great value for money at the mo.

@jetx2599

3 жыл бұрын

I don’t understand the M2 depreciation curve. They are depreciating so slowly when compared to the M3/M4. A used 2016 M2 is more expensive than a used 2016 M4/M3 despite the M2 being 20 k less brand new

@samcourt6228

3 жыл бұрын

Jet X it’s nuts isn’t it? I really fancy an M2 but a sub £30k M4 looks much better value via the AUC site and with a far wider choice. Size wise the M2 suits me because I get on with my M140i. The M3/4 is a big old beast now and the none Comp ones are a bit spiky handling wise.

@jetx2599

3 жыл бұрын

Sam Court yeah I am also thinking of just buying a M3/M4 as it will be minimum 5k cheaper and a better deal considering the base price of the M3/M4. Only worry I have is that it will lose its value while the used M2 will probably hold up better but used M4/M3s are so cheap right now it’s a deal anyway lol

@SH7SH7SH7

3 жыл бұрын

You’d have to stage 2 an M2 non competition to get the same kind of power as a standard m3/m4 non comp pack. The M2 does like nicer than an m4 though with its wide chunky stance and definitely sounds better.

@samcourt6228

3 жыл бұрын

Shahid Hussain to be honest my M140i is fast enough, a stock OG M2 should be plenty. Upsides are it looks and sounds loads better than the M140i.

The sentiment of the video.... "this m2 competition isn't as good as mine" just facts rollini, thanks for letting me take your car out!

Hey Joe... one of the very best and honest comparisons between both! - I'd stick with the "standard M2C"... and maybe add some of the very nice outer features, like the bonnet, the awesome golden rims etc... but anyway; the M2C as standard is just WAY beyond to buy for this money to have as a livin classic... especially with manual shift...! LOVE IT! Thanks a lot for ALL of your great Videos with the M2 - learned a lot - and... lovely greets from MUNICH - Home of YOUR Car! ;) Tom

@creamoreTV

3 жыл бұрын

PS; Imagine the M2CS Look, with that special golden Wheels in "Barcelona Blue"!!!??!

Nice bro again Joe. I am glad the cs has normal door grabs this time . Wondering how much weight saving has been done on this. The comp is great too. The m4cs seemed a waste of money to some but they still all sold out. I wished the m4 cs came.with the same door trims as the the m3 cs did. But hey ... that's all done and gone. I recommend anyone to buy a cs while its here. But then again the comp can be made to look like.a cs and.STILL you have chance in your pocket. Hmm. I'm a m8comp coupe lover so I can't really say too much . Joe.... when the m4 coupe arrives I hope you can test that . It's almost a smaller m8 coupe . Thanks again.

@nessuno5403

3 жыл бұрын

It somehow still sold out because supply was limited. Many people cancelled orders after considering it's not a substantial improvement over the M2C for the money. Some too are jumping on Cayman 718 GTS 4.0 instead.

Just picked up the 2020 M2 Competition Manual and I am in love with it! It’s truly the best M car! I love the CS but at 85,000 I’ll buy a Porsche

What a stunning grill.

Great video Joe - is a big price difference though so not so sure that’s value for money!?🤪

Luv your vids Joe. "Midnite Madness M2" here in the US of A.

Omg just realised I pulled up next to you in my m240i (white) in Guildford!

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Haha yes mate! Lovely looking car buddy, think you said you had just picked her up 👌

@rosskirkland3936

3 жыл бұрын

Yes mate completely in love with it!

Wheel arch extensions are way more than just thin plastic trim - go right inside and into upper arches - not a diy job to remove! Why would you mess with a CS though, I suppose, anyway :-) Surprised the 763s are gloss black as the dealer spec (non cs) items are satin, which definitely looks a lot nicer, IMO

Cracks open a beer. Throws Jo up on the big screen. Sound bar up. Who needs Top Gear? ❤️

The BMW M2CS flies, so fast...unlike the birdie @ 23.19 and whats left of it @ 24.06 on the left of the track ...RIP my fluttery friend... :(

As if i didn’t want an m2 enough, joe films this...

Awesome thank Joe. That sweet S55 whisper hey. No way I'd pay that uplift for a CS personally

@JoeAchilles1

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers James glad you liked it!

@Rami-pq1yj

3 жыл бұрын

Remeber there will only be 2200 m2cs made

@ms8725

3 жыл бұрын

Dubai Whips ist doesnt matter

Aaah yes, that’s the stuff we want 😍😂

How reliable are BMW adaptive suspension parts? A track set and street set of tires may be a way to smooth out the roads in the UK for less moola. 🤷🏼‍♂️

Love my 2021 M2C ill never get rid of it.

Two things - CS has CC brakes and better tires- Take the M2C and put the same wheels,tires and brakes- lets see what happens. My 2020 M2C with MP suspension with corner balancing feels incredible!! CS is nice! However I don’t like the overall style of the CS. I love how my Comp looks lowered with 10mm spacers. But each to it’s own-

When’s the full review coming out?

I see they personalised your plate 😁

Wonder what the next gen M2 will offer. I really hope they don't make it heavier and bigger. These M2C /M2CS would be a lot less then and more affordable in a few years. Amazing cars both of them. Great video/comparison.

@ankithjudahsamuelj9919

3 ай бұрын

lol what do u think now

@twizzbharat2577

3 ай бұрын

@@ankithjudahsamuelj9919 Don't even get me started man :

CS wheel is the best that bmw offers! 👏

Joe, this of the tyres or not? the M2c has Michelin sport tyres (street) and the CS is on the pilot sport cup2 (semirace) right? when the cars are driven on same tyres i´ll take the second, but i think with same tyres this will be much closer, less than 0,5sec cause of the other software with 450hp in the CS

Tuners can you do better for the price difference between comp and .cs and by how much, what's different even if its an obvious one?

Tbh the main thing i dont understand is how the competition model does not have a carbon fiber roof....every comp model before it (Except the e46 m3) does...

The camera makes the circuit look a lot bigger than it is

Something off with the colours on Matt's footage...? Or just forgot the colour grading ;)

My M2 CS has an MSO/MCO (a legal document: the Car's "Birth Certificate") generated by BMW at time of assembly that states it has a 405 HP engine.

Wonder if M2CS adaptive suspension retrofit will be possible for M2C/M2 cars?

The question is..if someone put m2 competition badges on both cars and you drove them could you tell the difference between them..also i work at the port and see all the new bmws..man theu have came out with some crazy colors lol..neon green, flat grey, neon orange, red, emerald green (my favorite) etc.

Love your vids. Would you be able to tell us what front spoiler is on the orange M2?

@thunderbolt2000k

3 жыл бұрын

Did you end up finding out? I have the same question.

@pressplay04

3 жыл бұрын

@@thunderbolt2000k Yes, I asked the owner directly. He said it was made by a company called Maxton.

@thunderbolt2000k

3 жыл бұрын

@@pressplay04 Ah, I know them, I didn't know they made lips for the M2C. Thank you man!

Yes if you believe in old school motoring like M3 E46 type of Cars

Llandow very near me! Next time you’re that way, give me a message and I’ll bring my m2 OG over 🤣👌🏼

Thanks for that Joe 👍🏽what was the name of your mate again !!!😜😂😂😂