I like the fact that that it's an AT tire with an aggressive looking sidewall. That was the reason why chose the R/T over the A/T2 because i liked the sidewall better. Now that my R/T's are about spent, i'm getting the A/T3's

I ended up buying these today! Looking forward to it!

I just got a set for my jeep Cherokee XJ, I am very satisfied, quiet on road and great off road

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Did you go with the P-Metric?

Looking at these for an F-150 max tow. The rear end has a shimmy when towing heavy or high profile trailers on the OEM tires. I’m leaning towards the LT in load range C over the P-metric to get a stiffer sidewall. But why is the LT 9 pounds heavier and rates for about 200 pounds less load? What is the recommendation?

I just bought a set or the AT3's in 305/ 45 22, for my 2019 Ram 1500 longhorn with air suspension. PERFECT FIT, AND LOOkS AWESOME!! The AT3's changed the look of my truck, much more TOUGH LOOKING now. 👍😎👍

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Right on

Just had a set of 285/70/17s installed on my '18 3.5 EcoBeast with a 2.5" level. This video helped with the decision between these and two competitor brands. Cheers!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Richard - Glad to hear someone got something out of the info. FYI I have about 25k on a set now and I would strongly advise rotating under 5k. They will tend to get some mild noise if you don’t. Keep them rotated and you will love them. 🤙

Great Content Joe!

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

TrailBuilt Off-Road thank you👍

How would you rate these tires to the Wrangler Duratracs? I drive a 2017 Tahoe with the Z71 Package which came with the vehicle OEM. Would it be an upgrade or should I just stick with the Duratracs? Thanks for your input.

Joe, thanks for your review and recommendation. I outfitted my '15 Grand Cherokee with the new Toyo AT3's and am very happy with the tire's performance. I have 6000 miles on the tires in 60 days. A bit more road noise than my stock Michelin Tour all-season's but surprisingly little increase - a good trade-off and impressive tread design from Toyo. Nice compliant ride over bumps and potholes (I live in Cleveland), good grip in the wet, and able to handle standing water on highway (drove through several heavy rainstorms that caused flooding) without hydroplaning. I have not tried them in the snow yet. I will update as I put on additional miles, but so far, these are a winner! Several positive comments about aggressive tread and looks of tire on vehicle from buddies. Wife has not mentioned any tire noise (after 3000 mile trip to FL and back) - the true test! Keep up the good work.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

That is great! You are spot on when it comes to what I tested . Snow performance was better than many competitor brands and has the 3PMSF rating. Agree on the noise. I have them on my 4Runner and just a touch loud at times

@mercedesbenzs600bash

Жыл бұрын

How good were they on snow,slush and ice???

@tmiller3164

Жыл бұрын

I have only run the At3’s briefly during the winter as i have a dedicated set of Blizzaks for Cleveland winters. My limited experience with them in snow was that they are great in snow, only average on ice. But not “scary” on ice like some tires

@mercedesbenzs600bash

Жыл бұрын

@@tmiller3164 Much appreciated,I bet those Blizzacks perform extremely well on snow and ice huh???

I had a set of AT/2's mounted on a 2010 Ford F150 and they were good, but you did get some road noise. I just recently got a set of AT/3's mounted on a 2015 RAM 2500 and I absolutely love them! They're quiet and they give you great traction! When I got them mounted, the guys at the tire shop were talking about when they would get their set! Thanks Mike!! 😉

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

I would suggest rotating often to keep the noise level down. I have 25k on mine and that is the trick! 🤙

I'm running 35s now. This winter I'll be purchasing new tires. I'll be buying these Toyos. Any advice going from 35s to 37s on a 2009 GMC 2500 Duramax? Thanks

WOW I'm glad I watched this I just traded in my 2016 RAM that I had Falkens on. When I traded it the tires still had tread left and they had 82,000 miles on them. I was going to just go get another set thinking they would be the same. But I know from your comments on another video that Falken is not the tire from a few years ago and that's to bad. My 2021 RAM came stock with Falkens on from the factory but I am about to go bigger so I guess I will give these Toyo's a hard look. THANKS JOE!!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Cool Doug, glad to be of help. Yeah I was disappointed as well to see the Falken drop down the ranks due to a running change. I just happed to question my previous year data at the test track and compared an older (same spec date) to a newer one and massive difference in performance. Unfortunately it’s not uncommon for companies to save a buck! Same goes with your bag a chips. They just keep getting more air in them. lol Have a good weekend! 🤙

Hi Joe. I’m looking at the Toyo Open Country AT3 vs. the Nitto Terra Grappler G2 for my 2014 Jeep Grand Cherokee 4x4 Hemi. I live in CO and frequently drive the mountain highways but I’m probably 85-90% on road and 10-15% off-road. My main concerns are road handling/traction in wet and snowy conditions, noise and smoothness while driving, and the life of the tread. Durability and off-road performance are other considerations. Do I sacrifice anything with the G2’s that the AT3 offers?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Justin- Thanks for reaching out and great question. As you know Nitto is owned by Toyo and have very similar manufacturing processes. Both tires are great choices and personally I like the Toyo brand a bit better but that is 100% just a personal preference. When it comes to directly comparing the AT3 and G2 , they both are 3PMSF certified which helps in CO. They also have similar rubber compounds and design features. One thing I like and feel is a bit better from a tread design stand point is, the outer tread blocks are more aggressive on the LT AT3 and look much better IMO. This design will improve holding effort in off road situations. In the end both are great choices and very similar over all. Hope that helps

Hi Joe, thanks for the review. I’m currently running Michelin LTX AT2’s on my Trd Toyota Tundra. They’re nearing the end of their life. How do the Toyo’s compare to the Michelins? Most of my driving is on pavement, but I do spend a fair amount of time on forest roads during the hunting season. Snow and ice traction is important to me as I’m on the icy, snow covered lakes every weekend during ice fishing season. Which tires were the top snow and ice performers? I’d also like to hear your opinion on whether I should run the passenger tires or try the LT with the C load rating. Thank you!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Darren- The Michelin tires are very good for sure, but they are not as aggressive as the Toyo from a cosmetic side. I would run the P-Metric if you don't plan to tow or haul heavy loads, otherwise go with an LT. As for wet and snow performance, the Michelin is going to give you more overall grip IMO. However the Toyo will out shine on dirt roads. The Michelin is also more of a street tire and will give you better MPG most likely as well as a bit lower overall road noise. The Toyo however is very good in snow and was on the higher end of the 8 tires tested. Really either would meet your expectation. You will pay more for a Michelin and you will get a more aggressive A/T with a Toyo

@darrenzeman2962

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the feedback!

Do you have an opinion on the Continental Terrain Contact AT? I do mostly roadway driving so even though I like the look of the ATIII and Toyo's reputation, I am a bit worried about how it would last with that aggressive pattern on there. Do you have any insight? Thanks.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Nick C check out m.tirerack.com/tires/ratings-review.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=TerrainContact+A%2FT&fromTireDetail=true I didn’t test that tire in my recent line-up but the Tire Rack does a great similar test that may give you the information you are looking for. I did test the Michelin and it was very good in almost all categories due to its less aggressive design. Lacks a bit off road though. Hope that is helpful. IMO Continental makes great tires and is a top tier brand for sure.

Hi. Looks like there's 2 version of toyo oc at3 for 265 60 18. One has speed rating of H while the other is T. I'm guessing there will be a performance difference between the two?

Hey I know this video is old now and I’d like to let you know. Having had the AT2’s and now having the AT3’s on my FJ Cruiser they’ve both been awesome set of tires. Out of my AT2’s we got almost 90k miles and then switching to the AT3’s they’re now going on 50k still going strong I’m gonna get another set soon. Only complaint if you can call it that is they’re starting to dry rot otherwise they’ve been great tires on and off road. We’ve used both sets for off-roading & never had any issues. Great set of tires TOYO. Keep up the great work!

@sanddrifterjb

8 ай бұрын

Glad you are enjoying your AT3's and your FJ. Back in the day, I was the lucky one who drove the first pre-production (prototype) through the Rubicon in 2006, before the launch in 2007. Best rig ever IMO. Anyway, I would recommend that you rotate often and when it comes to dry rot, I have also encountered this condition. Not ideal but keeping them conditioned and out of the elements is best if you can. I would also give the RT Trail a try next time. I liked them a bit better after testing the two. Cheers Joe

Hi Joe! I have a 2020 Land Rover Defender and I'm considering the AT III vs Nitto Terra Grappler G2. 70% of my driving will be on-road, but I do plan spending a fair amount of time on desert trails here in SoCal. For my truck what are your thoughts?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Steve- Very cool! I had a 90 for awhile and trained with the Camel Trophy guys to learn off-road technical driving... I am also familiar with many trails in So Cal. I grew up in Valencia. As for picking the best tire for your vehicle, the A/T's are the way to go. You also probably want a pretty quiet ride since that vehicle is so nice inside! Both the Toyo and Nitto are great picks. Toyo owns Nitto so basically you are getting similar tires in many ways. The good thing about both of these tires is that they use the same manufacturing process which is one of the best in the industry. Tire Run-Out or "roundness" is superior and requires little weight to balance. This is great for wear over time and less rotations and vertical vibration. To answer your question however, I like the Toyo better since it's their latest and greatest! Plus not only does the Toyo AT3 work better in the snow due to the 3PMSF certification (Nitto does not) for your Big Bear or Mammoth trips, they look much better IMO. The noise factor will also be lower with the Toyo. I would not get the LT unless you plan to tow with it. Stick with the P-Metric. I hope this helps and reach out anytime!

How are they in a lo pro 225/55/18? I’m hoping to get rid of some harshness on my Crosstrek

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

I can tell you I own a 19’ cross trek with BFG K02’s with 17” tires. They are pretty low pro so I have first hand experience at least on the BFG’s. They are not ideal for harshness and deflection. Way to stiff IMO. I also have some Toyo AT3’s P metric on my 4Runner and they are so much better in many ways. I would say you will like the AT3’s in p metric with a lower profile tire. I still get a little noise on the highway but much better overall on ride.

I've had mine for a month now..on my Honda Ridgeline..255 50 20.. very sturdy and surefooted feel..I never had an all terrain..only HT's.. but this one is similar to an HT.. with way more strength...good job TOYO!!

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

David Hollingsworth always good to hear that you like them so far. You have a pretty low profile with less sidewall on those 20’s. I am glad the ride comfort and noise are close to the HT’s. I didn’t get a chance to test that size and appreciate the feedback.

@woochscola

4 жыл бұрын

And they feel stronger than the 245 65 17 HT's..that was OEM.

What’s the ride quality with these? I am thinking of getting 5 C rated 285/70R17’s. Mostly highway but we get some rain and light off roading. Just curious as to the road noise.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Ride comfort is above average after testing 7 other competitors. It had a a nice round well damped clean feel. Road noise is also good in comparison. I have a set of the BFG K02’s on one of my vehicles and a set of the AT3’s on another. Night and day in comparison. I love BFG’s but they are firm and loud. Hope that helps

i appreciate this great review on them. im going to order them for my 2020 ram rebel.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Darth Nickula nice🤙

Joe I first want to say how Informative you are on all the Questions and that you answer them, THANKS for your time and knowledge! BEST Video on KZread. I pretty much got my answer I think from reading all the feedback I live in Iowa I hunt a lot and travel the back gravel roads I don't go off road to much and I'm in the snow 3 Months out off the year I was In-between the Toyo A/T3 And the KO2's But I am going with the A/T3's Unless you think something different I have a 2020 Ram 1500 3.5 inch lift. THANKS AGAIN FOR YOUR TIME. Subscribed !!!!!!!!!!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Really appreciate it! I figured I have the info. why not share it! I am a huge BFG fan and raced for them for over 10 years. They make great products and if you asked me if the K02 was better off road in rocks etc I would say YES it is better then the Toyo AT3. However, if you look at both tires overall in several settings then the AT3 out performs over the BFG IMO. You may find some small pros like stopping distance for example etc. but overall the tire that scored close to the top in almost every category I tested was the AT3

@DROPTINE

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thank you Sir !

Hi Joe, I've got a 2019 Ram 1500 new body style with the factory 22 inch wheels which are 9 inches wide. My truck came with 285/45R22 XL tires that are not very aggressive looking. I've installed a leveling kit and would like to install an all terrain tire to complete the look. I don't want to go too big, so I was thinking about a 33 inch tire. I really like that the Open County 3 has the 3 Peak rating since I live in Ohio and we do get snow from time to time. With my wheels would you recommend the 33x12.50R22LT or the 305/45R22 XL tires?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

So your 285/45R22 OEM tire compared to the 305/45R22 is Is 32.1” to a 32.8” difference in dia. Width is 11.2” to 12” the 33x12.50 is measured at 33” where the 305 is at 32.8”. The 33” is also .5” wider. These are not big changes but you just need to make sure if you go bigger you won’t have any rubbing. My background is more on the actual testing side then fitment area. I just would do the math and make sure a 305 and or the 33” will work. It also depends on the look you want. Offsets are also important to know how your wheel is mounted to the hub. I would suggest talking with Discount Tire or a local tire store just to be safe.

@cdub11121

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the quick reply. I've been researching in the Ram Forums and I'm pretty sure that they will not rub. My main concern is that the 305/45R22 has an approved rim with of 9.5 to 11.5 and mine are only 9.0. I think that the 305/45R22 will be a lighter and smoother riding tire than the 33x12.50, but the approved rim width has me worried. Would there be an issue mounting the 305/45R22 on a 9.0 wheel? Thanks again.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

cdub11121 looks like a 9” maybe pushing it with the 305? You can check Toyo’s web site to see if it falls in the window. Also many shops like Discount won’t mount a tire if the wheel specs are not correct. Just an FYI

Hi joe. Have you had any experience with the Firestone xt. Toyo at3s aren’t available in Canada until sometime next year unfortunately. Curious if the xt is even in the same league

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

John- I personally haven't had a chance to evaluate the X/T as of yet, but I have tested many of the Bridgestone / Firestone products over the years and really do like them. The Firestone X/T is absolutely comparable to the Toyo AT3 and they both have the 3PMSF which is a must in your neck of the woods! Keep in mind that just because it has this certification, this cert does not include a lateral grip test. I find this odd and not really a 100% true test to claim that any tire with a 3PMSF is "ideal" in the snow. I tested many tires with this certification and some without the 3PMSF in snow conditions performing lateral grip maneuvers and some were way off the mark! Just wanted to add this small tid bit of information. Some may disagree but data is data ......Anyway, I think you will probably be pretty happy with the X/T regardless. Bridgesone / Firestone do their homework on the development side! The side by side pic looks very similar as well when it comes to siping and design functionality. Hope that helps

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb The one thing that makes me wonder about the XT is how much lighter it is compared with other tires.

I had 2 pair of AT2 got ridiculous mileage out of them in PA, I didn’t care for the minor shake at 75 but figured I’ll try these out! Coming Thursday

I am curious about the new at3. I drive a diesel dually ( Ram 3500's until my 2019 Ford F450. ( just sold it) I have tried the ST Maxx, BFG Ko2 and lastly the toyo m55 on the ford. I mostly use my truck for towing 18,000#s but occasionally empty. I drive in all conditions in NE Ohio, travel to Michigan UP, and Ontario in winter. Want a better riding tire for the normal driving. What would you recommend. Sincerely, Lee

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Lee- Great question and my next door neighbor has a 2020 RAM 3500 and tows a lot. He asked this exact question and decided to give the LT Toyo AT3 a try. He absolutely loves the look and ride comfort overall. He mentioned that he gets less lateral movement with his large RV trailer and straightline stability is also improved over the OEM tire. I can tell you that wet and snow is very good when I tested them on an F-250 in these conditions. I am a big BFG fan and raced for them for years. However, they are very noisy and get hard (harsh) over time and don't do well from seasonal cold to hot transitions from a rubber compound side. I think you will be pretty happy with this tire in the conditions you are describing .

Thanks for the video and info. Really informative. I have a 2020 Ram 1500 laramie crew cab with OEM 22's. Just bought 20 x 9 - 0 offset. I have a 2" Mopar lift and looking at these. Just confused on size. Do you suggest 305/50R20 IN THE XL OR LT295/55R20. THE WEIGHT DIFFERENCE SEEMS BIG TO ME. I WANT A GOOD WET DRIVING TIRE KINDA QUIET. DO NOT GO OFF ROAD, MAINLY HIGHWAY AND CITY. I DO HAVE A DOUBLE JET SKI TRAILER THAT I DROP AT A RAMP THAT GETS ROUGH AT SEASONS END. THANKS FOR ANY SUGGESTIONS.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Good question, I think you have to consider the "look" you are going for and like you mentioned the load requirements. You probably could get away with the 305/50R20 on load ratings with the XL just towing a jet ski trailer, but if you intend to throw more weight on it , then I would lean toward the LT. Your best bet is to confirm specs with a local Toyo Tire dealer in your area.

@richiecapuccino9853

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the quick response. Right now that is the extent of the towing. Don't plan on any more than that. Love the look of the tire. What do you think about the big difference in weight between the 2 sizes. Also is there a noticeable difference in the comfort of the ride between the LT and XL ? I've never bought different wheels and tires before. It is really good now even with the 22's. Thanks again

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@richiecapuccino9853 Here is my 2 cents .... I don't think you will see a difference in the weight between sizes. When it comes to ride comfort, we did see some small differences in ride comfort feel overall from the P-Metric to the LT, but not enough to change my evaluation rating. I can tell you that you will absolutely see a difference in ride comfort from the OE tire that comes on your vehicle changing to any A/T. If you have never changed your tire and wheels from OE to aftermarket and are concerned about ride, then you maybe surprised that their are some negatives in that area in comparison. However, you get more positives including a more aggressive look then your current set-up.

@richiecapuccino9853

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for thee input. Much appreciated.

Thanks Joe, I’ve been running Toyo exclusively on my 2003 Duramax and love them, I’m due for some new one ones, I’m gonna try these out. I hope they handle the sharp rocks in Williams a little better, I have had some rock punctures in the AT/II...

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Chad- I think you will really like them. The LT has a great aggressive look and just super well rounded for most areas. I tested in the F350 and we focused on front to rear balance. Straight line stability for those long drives also improved from a control-ability side. Reach out if you have any questions. Take care

@GordonShumway1910

4 жыл бұрын

What size are you running? I've got a 2009 Duramax with 35s. I'm considering going up to 37 Toyos this winter

@Chadasco

4 жыл бұрын

Edy Coyote I have 35s on mine.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@GordonShumway1910 During our testing we ran a LT265/70R17 on a FORD F-250 and a P265/70R17 on the F-150. The 265 is close to a 32" and I thought it looked small for the big F-250. It depends how you plan to use your truck. If you are towing a lot and more highway then I personally would go with the 35". If you are more overland, then the 37" may be your better choice. I find that bigger tire (more weight) tends to be more difficult to stop especially in snow, the 37" will also be more delayed in yaw with more deflection so things to consider.

Thanks for the review. How would you rank them in quietness and comfort in dry highway driving, relative to competitors. I don’t encounter much snow and you covered wet performance on your video. I’m 95% on road so almost tempted to keep my stock tires.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely, When it came to being quiet the Toyo A/T III was mid pack. Had some competitors above and below. The Ride was just a bit better on the scale and well damped and round with low frequency vibration. If I were you , and from what you are saying on how you plan to utilize your vehicle, then the OEM tire is what I would keep. The OE tires are developed for your vehicle and I always say, unless you are looking for an upgraded "look" or plan to use off-road, snow etc. then maybe it's time to consider a tire that fits your needs.. I normally also use up my OEM tires, then when I need new tires I upgrade....hope that helps!

@leenestle

4 жыл бұрын

JOE BACAL thanks. Also just saw your video on how to get tire info. Super helpful!

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@leenestle Appreciate it!

@TheKPDX

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Ha ha, so funny to hear that even you use up your OEM. I thought I was just being a cheapskate! That said, when you upgrade - Wow is that 2nd set better.

Joe can you tell me what size AT 3 tires were on the Blue F150 and if it had a lift kit it suspension kit? My son just bought these and he loves them.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Yeah no problem, I used the P-Metric 265/70R17. The F-150 was 100% stock no changes at all except we ran the Method Wheel and Toyo Tire

@TheKPDX

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb I was planning on a P-Metric 275/70R17 Toyo ATIII for our 2018 4Runner that runs between KC & Seattle but hits CO & UT trails for a month or more a year. Tangential question, for my modified '02 Pathfinder, which is a PNW weekend camping/off-road day trip truck, I was planning BFG KM3 for the summer season but I was thinking 10" (like 255/75R17) instead of the ubiquitous 12". Several experienced "overlanders" feel skinnies give them more contact patch and I've often been glad I'm skinny, never wished my wheels were thicker for getting through obstacles. I'd me interested in your opinion of 10" v 12" in both AT & MT

Do any of the AT3 tires have a 3 ply sidewall? I've been considering the 37x12.5R18 Load E for our Truck Camper. But concerned about off road durability (especially aired down) regarding sidewall strength. Thanks!

@sanddrifterjb

Жыл бұрын

E is a 10 ply and if you air down, depending on how loaded down your camper is? you should be fine. I would assume your speed is low aired down.

@TruckCamper

Жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Correct it's 10 ply. But is the sidewall 2 ply or 3 ply? Most AT tires have 2 ply sidewalls. Sidewall thickness is very important for off road durability especially aired down.

@Icutmetal

Жыл бұрын

@@TruckCamper I’m surprised the question was misunderstood. I’ve been wondering the same thing.

I run the ATII's size LT285 70/R17 on an E350 Quigley 4x4 & have about 35-37k miles on them with 9/32 tread(new is 16.3 as per Toyo website). What would be the difference for me to upgrade to these? Are these more aggressive like the MT's? Mine are mostly highways queens and then snow for the winter. Are these still in the same category as the ATII's? Do they wear better than the ATII's? Louder on the highway than ATII'S? - Thanks in advance.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

If you look at my data in the video I do a direct comparison with the AT2 compared to the AT3. I listed many gains and improvements over the AT2's. They are a bit more aggressive, especially on the side wall blocks over the 2's. The AT3's are not as aggressive as the MT's but are a 3PMSF certified tire so they do well in snow conditions. The AT2 was not a certified snow tire. The AT3 is the next gen AT2. I had AT2's and now have AT3's on my 4 Runner. I actually like the 3 better for wear and road noise as I also mention this in my video during my testing.

@MrLegendL2118

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Appreciate the response back. =) Yeah sorry got sidetracked, just watched the video, very well put together & we'll now I know I'll be buying the ATIII's hahah. I really love my ATII's just by the shoulders and sidewalls they are starting to crack like dryrot, the tread is still fine just the age of them is about 6 years old.

Cant wait to get these for my next set

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

I have had a set now for almost 6 months on my 4Runner and I still like that they don’t have that increased rubber hardness feel or uneven wear.

Joe, what do you know about the Toyo CT; does it offer any advantage over the AT3?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

I have not had the opportunity to test the CT comparing it to the AT3, but the main differences are the CT is more of a commercial grade tire that may perform better on the durability side as well as in colder climates. It is set up for studs and may be a bit quieter than the AT3 overall. I feel the AT3 will out perform the CT in off-road conditions on a design side. This is the best I can do with out to a back to back. Hope that is helpful

Hey Joe, just ordered an A/T 3 for a full size spare for now. Is the A/T 3 a 3 ply sidewall cannot find info anywhere

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Kelly Abelmann Kelly- I just asked my Toyo Tire engineer to confirm. Here is his comment. “Both 2 and 3 ply depending on the size and the need for it. All specs, including ply construction is on our website”. I hope that helps👍

@pronghornobsession

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb I went with a 35x12.50x17 10ply for my PowerWagon and living and spending most my time in the Rocky Mountain west try to get as tough a tire as possible. Really enjoyed video

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Kelly Abelmann I really appreciate it! Glad you liked my video. Still trying to figure that KZread channel stuff out. Lol. I have spent some time over the years wheelin’ in your parts so I get it! Enjoy🤘

Hey Joe. I’m looking to upgrade to 35’s on my tacoma and these have some great options. It’s my fault driver but I head to Moab and Colorado to crawl at least a few times a year and do short trips around the northwest. I don’t want to lose the traction offroad I’ve enjoyed so far from ridge grapplers or KO2’s but if the difference is marginal I would seriously consider these at3’s. Can you shed some light on how you think these would compare in rock crawling Moab/Colorado situations? Thanks!

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Brian Faris I have spent a lot of time in Moab and Colorado over the years testing, so I can shed some light on this subject. First off, the K02 is a great tire in these locations as well as the Nitto’s. The LT AT3 is not as aggressive as the Nitto but when it comes to grip I think you will find that the AT3 will do very well. If you run into some wet conditions on the slick rock, even better. A lot of technical rock crawling is driver dependent. I have taken OEM tires through areas most would not believe so to answer your question if you decided to go with the AT3, I think you will be happy but most of all you will get a very well rounded tire , quieter and even improve MPG as a bonus.

@goodstuffrighthere

4 жыл бұрын

JOE BACAL awesome thanks so much for the quick response. I’m that’s great to hear. I’m between their 35/11.5 and the Kenda Klever R/T 35/10.5 just having trouble deciding between the two.

Hey Joe. I’m sold on the AT III’s, but I have a serious question. I have a 14 Touareg TDI which I’ll be taking off-road. 2 inch lift. Bash plates etc. I’m concerned p-metric tires won’t withstand as serious threats to puncture, slashing and destructive abuse as an LT tire. Thoughts or advice ? Thanks, John

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

The LT outer blocks are more aggressive than the P-Metric and will perform a bit better off road IMO. You can go with the LT’s but you will need to run higher tire pressure and your ride quality will not be as good. You don’t have the curb weight to deflect the tire like you would on a P. They work, just some trade Off’s to consider

Hey Joe, have been a big fan since your "Where the Rubber Meets the Road" tire review with Scott Brady in the October 2014 Expedition Portal! BEST tire shootout EVER!! Had a set of those Cooper AT3s from that review on my ’06 Ford Expedition for last 5 years. Am about to replace those with either the Toyo AT3s (love that you worked with Toyo on those) or the Dueler Revo3s from Bridgestone. Do you have any general recommendation on the AT3 vs the Revo3, specifically as it relates to dry, wet, and light deep snow handling and braking? Thanks!!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Mark- Thanks a bunch and glad you took my advice back on those Cooper's. They still make a great tire, but the competition has leveled up and so they have been bumped a bit down on the list! To answer your question, I have zero experience with the Bridgestone Revo3's. I however love the Bridgestone tires and I worked closely with them for many years on the Toyota side and the OEM tires. So what I am telling you is I can't say the Toyo will be an all around better tire then the Revo3's but I can tell you that you will most definitely like the AT3's. I have them on my personal 4 Runner and really like them. I also have a set of the BFG K02's on another vehicle and it is like night and day! I am a big BFG fan but not ideal in many categories.... I would say go with the AT3. That would be my all around best pick!

I’m debating between the Nitto Ridge Grapplers LT 285/65R20 and the Toyo A/T 3 in LT 285/60R20. They will be going on my F150 which has a 2.5” leveling kit. Wondering what your thoughts are? I am 98% highway, some off-roading during hunting season. Thanks for sharing.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Grey Wolf67 basically same brand, like BFG and Michelin. I used to test with Nitto on occasion and I was impressed with some of their tires. Here is an interesting fact, they both use a manufacturing process to get really good run-out numbers. This method helps with less balance weights compared to other competitors. Back to answering your question, I wouldn’t run the LT’s unless you plan to tow or put more weight in the bed. They are more designed for the F-250/competitors overall. I wish that I can say I have direct test data comparing these two but I can only speak for the Toyo AT3. The P-Metric meets your needs and may even come in a bit lower on cost? Hope that helps. 👍

@aqua.scape69

4 жыл бұрын

JOE BACAL That helps a lot. Man, I appreciate your response and feedback. Thank you very much. I will go with the P-Metric sizes. I only occasionally use it to haul anything and don’t tow anything heavy. Thanks again. Take care

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@aqua.scape69 You bet! Anytime ...

Wow, talk about a responsive web presence! Just as I did with my old Jeep, I’ve been reading for literal days in order to narrow down a new tire choice for my Land Cruiser 80. Multiple forums have been very helpful as well as other reviews, but your KZread comment replies alone are perhaps the best thing I have come across. Much appreciated. I’m in the market for an AT like so many others. My main concern is winter performance for Southeast Alaska, but still want something with a design that does well enough off road, hence not looking at a milder looking/more winter specific tire. It doesn’t typically get super cold here like up north, but weather is very harsh, and thus road surface conditions too. Heavy snow usually with high moisture content, heavy slush, rutted snow/slush, and often slick surface below, occasional black ice. My other main consideration is affect on mileage, granted the 80 is poor regardless. I understand why you can’t/don’t necessarily test for that here, but any thoughts on rolling resistance and impact of weight? I will be coming off an old set of less than desirably worn Duratracs from the PO and know what I currently average... will be getting the same size (LT315/75r16) and AT3 is listed at nearly the same weight (65lb). The other tire I really like but worry about adding even more weight is the wildpeak AT3W (72lb), and it sounds like that may be the most comparable to the Toyo in winter performance based on what I’m seeing here. Before finding your comments here, I was stuck between the grabber ATX and Cooper XLT, the latter of which I’m concerned won’t have quite the winter performance I’m hoping for. Based on what I have found in your responses to others, it “feels” like this Toyo AT3 might be the best combination for me. I’m not really concerned about the other categories as any of the obvious options would be fine for my use, but good to know it ranks pretty well all around. Pardon the long question, I inherited my long-windedness from my mom, hah... any response is greatly appreciated.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Well, first I have to say the 80 is a sweet 4WD! So as for snow performance, like I said in my comments, the AT3 Toyo and Wildpeak both scored well and at the top of the list. However, after recently finding out that Falken seemed to have made a running production compound change, the overall performance went way down. I would pass on the Falken. The Toyo did great in snow testing, but the temps we tested were in the teens and not below. If you experience -20 etc. I don't know how much better or worse the AT3 Toyo will perform. I really do like how linear this tire is in the snow for smooth slow, confident transitions during lane changes. I have also heard that people who have purchased the Toyo are seeing slightly better MPG. This tire has some of the best "run-out" balance numbers compared to other competitors. The Toyo products use very little weight for balancing which is very noticeable when it comes to vibration. I think you will like the Toyo Open Country AT3 LT on your 80 much more over the Goodyear that is for sure......

@spenserrr

3 жыл бұрын

You are the man… that’s what I was hoping for. Very interesting with the Falken change. My previous experience with a tire in this category is the KO2 and old Toyo AT2. Truthfully, both of them served my needs just fine and I enjoyed them with no issues, but I’m aware of commonly reported shortcomings. I can only imagine the AT3 will improve upon all of it. Thanks so much! And yessir... I certainly love my 80. It’s a joy to drive every time.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@spenserrr Glad to help. Reach out anytime!

Great info.. i ordered 4 yesterday 265/70r17 with a set of slingshot level 8 wheels.. How do you think theyll look on stock suspension on a 03 Tundra?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Nice! I think they will look a bit more aggressive then the OEM M+S tire with an aftermarket wheel. Keep them rotated as often as you can to prevent increasing road noise over time.

@jorgechang5921

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Will do! Thanks for your reply.

I have a 2020 Toyota Tacoma Pro with p260/70/16 looking to go to p260/75/17. What are the pros and cons, am in Northern New Jersey. Thank you in advance. Walt H.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Walt- If you change to a p265/75R17, P260 is not on the TRDPro Tacoma, you will fill the wheel well more with less clearance overall. You may rub the tire against the wheel well when turning? Having more aspect ratio (70 to 75) increases the tire diameter, height and allows for more tire deflection etc. If you are looking to get a bigger wheel onto a stock production height truck, then you can go with the same size (p265) but change the aspect ratio to a (65) instead of (75) with the larger 17" wheel dia. then the overall diameter is almost the same from a fitment side. Not sure I really answered your question however?

Cool Video!

Looking at switching to these tires on my '21 Ranger Tremor, any comments on the Toyo AT3 vs the General Grabber ATx? Will be going from LT265/70/17 to LT275/70/17. Ironically the Toyo weigh the same as the smaller General on the Tremor which is a plus for me. I do tow a 19' single axle travel trailer too though. Appreciate any thoughts on the comparison.

@sanddrifterjb

2 жыл бұрын

I can tell you either tire choice is a good pick. I helped develop the General X3 MT when they launched and spent some time with there AT's at Conti's proving ground. Great all around tire IMO and easily as good as the Toyo AT3. Hope that helps.. Cheers

@66racer

2 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb appreciate the info, thanks!

How does Geolandar G015 measure up with the Toyo AT3 and Falken Wildpeak AT3W in terms of performance and ride comfort and noise? What would choose as a daily driver? Thanks!

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

In my testing, the Yokohama was not as good as the AT3 or Falken in almost all categories and average in wet/dry stopping distance. The biggest issue I had with the Yokohama's was simply the non-linear yaw response 2 stage condition. This tire is not matched and becomes a handful quickly under limit conditions. The noise and ride comfort also was not as good as either the AT3 or Falken. I am a big Yokohama fan and almost every tire I test from them seem to do well. I was very surprised on how this Geolander performed overall and was not impressed when it was compared to 7 leading A/T competitors. To answer your question on a daily driver I would need to know where you plan to drive, vehicle and common surfaces you are exposed to for me to make that choice. I hope this is helpful.

@markantonioalcid5640

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Appreciate for taking the time! Thanks for the helpful advice! It would be a new Jimny, mostly city driving, paved roads with some having a gold mine of potholes and road cracks.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@markantonioalcid5640 I would go with the Toyo AT3, especially since I just heard of production issues with the Falken AT3W's yesterday! Can't get into that but I think you will be pretty pleased with the overall performance from Toyo.

@markantonioalcid5640

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Great! Thanks for you valuable advice! Keep up the great content!

Hi Joe- do you have any feedback on the General Grabber ATX; and if so, how do they compare with the Toyo AT3’s? I e read thru most of not all of these comments and don’t recall seeing any from you regarding that tire.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

The ATX is a solid tire. I worked on the development of the X3 MT some years back, so I have some experience with the engineering team. Great group and I like the General brand. The ATX is a mid pack tire that does many things well but was not a top 5 in my testing when it came to an overall performer. The AT3 out performed the ATX in almost every category I evaluated. Hope that helps

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thank you for replying; I appreciate it! They seem to be priced accordingly based on your opinions and for the most part get great reviews; especially in snow, which is an area of importance to me. I’ve read comparisons of it vs the KO2 (which it resembles in my opinion) where people have said that it excels in areas where some complain that the KO2 lacks (more siping for improved wet/snow performance).

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@Icutmetal Not a fan of the BFG in snow It was extremely harsh and very non linear during lane changes... ATX was better IMO in snow overall

Hi joe. I have a 2014 ram 1500 and am curious if the p rated toyo at3 with the extra sipes will be better for icy hard pack winter driving compared to the Lt at3

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

John- I don’t believe the tread is any different or sipping from a P-Metric to a LT. I tested both and the only visual difference that I picked up on was the side tread blocks. The LT’s are raised a bit more for more bite! This AT3 as you can see in my data in the video scored high in winter conditions!

@johnmacqueen4489

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb ok thanks joe. The pics on there website show about twice as many sipes on the p series but must not be made that way

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

John macqueen I would have to confirm this with Toyo HQ. I would be surprised if they where different. This would be something I would need to be aware of during testing. Don’t remember any differences besides the outer raised tread blocks

By far the best tires I’ve owned.. Toyo up their game with these AT3’s

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Anthony Mendoza glad to hear that. Thank you for sharing. We put a lot of work trying to get the best out of them.

@michaelanthonymendoza999

4 жыл бұрын

JOE BACAL Thanks Joe.. I knew there was something about these tires I had to see for myself.. 👍🏼

@idontcaresapo8233

3 жыл бұрын

I’m gonna get them for my ram ... I have the duratracs and I like them for off-road but man they are to noisy on road

@marshalkwt

Жыл бұрын

@@idontcaresapo8233 waste of gas too

Very tempted to try these out on a 2019 4Runner TRD Off Road. I do mild off-roading... do you recommend LT or P? The only reason I'm apprehensive of LT is decreasing MPG, noisie/rougher ride and worse handling due to tire weight. I feel like P can hand my needs well? Or are the sidewalls significantly stronger on the LT version, and would that help with rocks hitting the sidewalls, especially when aired down?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

I can tell you that if you plan to do mild off-roading then I would go with the p-metric's. They are designed for less weight and do improve MPG. Keep in mind that I also suggest not airing down much if any. The sidewall stiffness as well as the outer lug grip design is a bit more mild compared to the LT spec. I have done a lot of wheeling and yes, the p-metric will be less strong than the LT, especially if you drop the pressure down significantly. I personally don't air down if I am doing mild stuff, maybe a bit to get better ride but if you stay on top of the rocks and pick good lines, you will get much less flats or damage to the sidewall. You have valid points, I hope this is helpful!

@mortezakarimzadeh9874

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb This is very helpful indeed, thanks for the reply. I did have a hunch that I should not air down much (maybe 20 lowest, down from the 32 PSI default specs). But I can see where airing down can be helpful. Speaking of relatives, what do you consider an acceptable amount of airing down on the P spec? Assuming that the vehicle spec is 32 PSI. The 4Runner weights below 5k lbs. Also helpful to know the outer log grip is different on these! Had not seen that on the interwebs...As a side note, I wish there were more accurate photos of this new product on Toyo's website at least for each size.

@mortezakarimzadeh9874

4 жыл бұрын

Rethinking it, 25 PSI is probably the lowest I'd go... I'm not very brave in the middle of nowhere. :-)

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Morteza Karimzadeh honestly, unless you have a way to air up after you go off road, I wouldn’t. I have tested on some very hard trails during my TRD development days and we never aired down. Does it help, sure but with out a bead lock wheel or if you go under 20psi in deep sand you may pull a bead turning hard with some speed. Always trade off’s to when airing down. You will lose a bit of ground clearance. In the end, my tip is always roll over the rocks and not around them. Take your time and pick good lines. I have 2 Runners. Love them!

@mortezakarimzadeh9874

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb @JOE BACAL Right, I do have a decent air compressor, so no problem there. Your point about clearance is well taken, I tend to not lift the vehicle. And you know, I always do try to climb the rocks, but much easier said than done, especially when sliding side ways :-) Also cool to know TRD testing was done without airing down.

Hi Joe, thanks for sharing all this information! It's so difficult to find side-by-side comparisons of AT tires, so your knowledge is invaluable. I'm wondering if you have any experience with the General Grabber AT/x ? I'm looking for a set of AT tires for my 2010 Toyota Tundra. Usage will be a mix of highway, forest service fire roads, and maybe a few more difficult trails, in all weather conditions. Thanks!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Austin - The General Tire ATX is a solid choice. I did some initial work with General on the AT and worked on the X3 MT when it came out.

@austingore1

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Good to hear, thanks for the advice!

I’m torn between the Toyo AT3’s and Mickey Thompson Baja Boss AT’s. The MT’s are 9lbs heavier per tire and I’m wondering if there would be a noticeable difference in mpg 275/65/R20 on F250?

@sanddrifterjb

7 ай бұрын

I don't have any experience with the MT brand but 9lbs is noticeable, especially if their is any runout.

Hi Joe I have 2013 Tundra looking at the Grabber atx because they are studable. I live in the Poconos and have to drive 70 miles each way. Sometimes on icy night driving. What do you think of those. Or compare the at3 or goodyear was looking at the falken until I been reading what use said? Thanks for video it was very informative

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words. I would look at a 3PMSF cert like the Nitto G2 or AT3 Toyo. I didn’t like the duratrac on average. Stay away from the Falken. I really liked it but they changed it to be garbage. I would look at the G2 or AT3. Imo

@thomasroseman575

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb what do you think of the general grabber?

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

I’m interested in how the AT3 compare with General’s ATX as well, which seem to be getting great overall reviews- especially in snow. They also cost a fair amount less.

How do these perform in mud and sand compared to the nitto ridge grapler?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

I have not tested the Toyo AT3 to the Nitto, but IMO the Nitto is a bit more aggressive. This may help with better performance in the mud, but in sand both tires with good wheel spin will work well. In my testing over the years, I found that A/T's out perform M/T's in areas like sand and even hard packed dirt roads, ice and low snow levels. Probably more info. then your asking but thought I would share.

Awesome review Joe. I just ordered a set of AT3, 37's for my new F350.

@sanddrifterjb

2 жыл бұрын

Nice! I think you will really like them. My neighbor has had a set on his Ram 3500 and absolutely loves them. Just rotate frequently. Hope you are doing well.. Cheers

How do these compare to the Nitto Ridge Grappler? I need new tire for my 2015 Ram 3500.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

I didn't have a chance to do a direct comparison since Nitto is owned by Toyo Tire. The Grappler may be a bit more aggressive but I don't believe it has 3PMSF certification? I can tell you that they use many if not the same manufacturing processes and they also tend to be more round or have better run out compared to other tires in this class. This helps reduce counter balance weights. Both are good choices. Hope that helps a bit. You can also take a look at the tire rack web site and see how their testing data looks.

@tylerhell

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb thanks for the help!

which tire ranks best for (1) hydroplane resistance, (2) wet stopping, and (3) ride comfort/noise between AT III and Falken AT3W? Thanks.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

If you would have asked me 6 months ago I would have said Falken in all areas is a better tire then the Toyo AT3, however Falken recently did a running production change and the tire rubber compounds are now "cheaper" The testing I did was way off the mark on the Falken and it was not even close to the Toyo AT3 now. I even double checked this finding with an older pre-change AT3W set, and yep completely different. It's crazy to me how companies like Falken can build great products and then change them to be garbage! I loved them and they were amazing in almost every category before.... don't waste your money now..... The Toyo is absolutely the way to go in comparison.

@BushmanCanuck

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb I've heard same thing recently, sad news since I was about to buy a set and the AT3 isn't available in Canada 😒

@trailrunnah8886

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb that's crazy about the Falkens! I own a late model 4Runner, and I'm looking for tires. Most of the Toyota guys tell me to go with the Falkens. But that's pretty disappointing seeing that they cheaped out on the quality of the tire, because I've noticed over the past few months the price seems to have risen dramatically on the P rated size for my 4Runner. The Falken was touted as a great value, though it seems like they've lost most of their value advantage. I'm leaning toward the Toyo AT3 or The BFG ko2, though from your testing it seems like the Toyo would probably be the better fit, though to be quite honest I much prefer the look of the BFG. I kind of feel like Toyo missed the mark with the sidewall design, they should have benchmarked the KO2 or the Falken for a more aggressive look. I also wish the Toyo was available in a load range C in my size, because the KO2 is one of the few tires available in a 265/70/17 C rating. So as far as the load range, the Toyo is so far available in either the P or E rating in the size that I need. For a 4Runner that will eventually see some off-road use, would I be better off going with the E rating over the P? I live in New England, and while I don't do a lot of off-roading yet, I plan on getting further into it. We do get snow and a lot of rain here, so performance in the wet is important.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@trailrunnah8886 I can tell you we did do a comparison with the BFG K02 and although the BFG scored well in the rocks it suffered in other areas. It was one of the worst in the snow when it came to being extremely firm and harsh. I am a big BFG fan and love the brand but the tire is just average in many categories we tested. Yes, more aggressive is a good direction but if you look at the Toyo AT3, it is more aggressive on the sidewall in the LT spec. They make a P-Metric spec for the 265 but it is even less aggressive on the side wall tread design. The AT3 did way better on a noise side than the K02 and also is great in snow and wet IMO

@trailrunnah8886

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb thank you for the info, I really appreciate the quick reply! One more question, I saw that the 255/ 80 /17 AT3 is an E Rated tire, but it's only 50 lb which is only a few more pounds than a C-rated 265 BFG. 255/80 size is 33.1 x 10.0, vs 31.6 x 10.5 for the 265. Do you think the E rating would be overkill in a 4Runner? I'm now thinking I may go that 255 80 route in order to get a larger tire that's not necessarily that much heavier. I am mostly stock, not all overloaded with steel bumpers and a roof-top tent and all that stuff haha. I am sold on the tread of the AT3, I love the look of the S shape in the middle. Reminds me of the old Suzuki logo haha.

I have the Goodyear wrangler ultraterrians on my 09 Chevrolet Colorado Extended Cab 4WD and they have lasted almost 50k miles. I'm wondering which tire I should with next. The Toyo open country at3 or the new goodyear wrangler workhorse AT? In the 265/75r16 SL the toyo's weigh 41 each and the workhorse AT'S weigh 39 each.

@sanddrifterjb

Жыл бұрын

The AT3 is a great choice, Cooper also is a pick of mine. I haven't tested the workhorse? I personally wouldn't get hung up on the weight. I would focus on overall performance, ride etc. The tire rack does a pretty good job on their evals and consumer data to find what fits for you. cheers!

I'm loving my Toyo AT3's in 35/12.50/R17!!! 2 months in now with a couple thousand miles already, tested on the rugged Arizona terrain.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Blackwater Lotus good to hear! That is my home town and where I tested the tires!

@blackwaterlotus8124

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb awesome, I went through Table Mesa a week or two after I bought em. They did well.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Blackwater Lotus I am in Anthem. Lol. The rocks there are really sharp. Tire placement is critical.

@blackwaterlotus8124

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb indeed, made it through no problem

@idontcaresapo8233

3 жыл бұрын

How is the on road performance.. like noise? I’m sure that off-road they are amazing

I am pumped about my appointment at discount tire this coming Saturday morning! 295/60r/20 AT3’s getting mounted on factory wheels 2021 Tundra Platinum 4wd with 3/2 readylift Thank you for your video! You have an awesome job. Got to admit, I’m pretty jealous!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Brian - Thanks buddy! Great package ....rotate often to eliminate noise as you start putting miles on them. Reach out if you ever have any questions! Cheers...

@rengokumars7073

3 жыл бұрын

You wont regret it best tires ive ever owned

Hi Joe, Appreciate the active engagement in the comments. Many of your comments imply P metric tires for a vehicle such as a Tacoma are the better choice. Subjectively, ride quality is the biggest factor in that recommendation. Given the same size tire, what objective things do you give up between P metric and LT? For example, an LT brakes x% longer distance, has x% less lateral grip, etc. I know - horribly impossible question. I have been interested in a skinny 235/85R16 which are only LT E rated. Wondering what I will be "giving up" if I make that selection. Thanks.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Appreciate the kind words, to answer your question going with an LT vs a P-Metric both essentially are very similar in compounds etc. The LT or light truck is designed for more load and are stronger when it comes to sidewalk etc. What you give up is ride comfort since you have to run much higher PSI in LT tires per the manufacture. We did see some minor differences when it came to subjective and objective testing but averaged it self out between the two for the most part. Many people go LT on Tacoma’s and still really like them. I am just suggesting P-Metric since they are designed for a lighter vehicle and carry less weight. Hope that helps on your purchase

Hey, Joe how do the A/T 3's compare to the Falken Wildpeaks and did Falken change their tire compound?

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

I bet if you read thru the comments, you just might find that answer...

@AA-ih6kt

4 ай бұрын

BOTH TIRES HAVE reviews all over the place. the at3 wildpeaks are discontinued now so if you need 2 or 1 in a year from blowout it may be hard to get one. The at4 wildpeaks are alotttttttttttttttt heavier and stiffer...better for towin and better offroad maybe but worse in mpg

Great information and I subscribed. I appreciate the detail and honesty around the performance, and in the future I’ll be watching to see your opinions on other tires, as well. My new ‘21 Bronco will come equipped with the Goodyear 315/70R17’’s and this AT3 looks like a good replacement at some point in time.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you and very cool on your Bronco purchase. They look so cool and are taking the lead in the Off-Road market with such innovative and well though through technology integrated into this rig! The OEM Goodyear tires I am sure will be very good coming from the OEM matching up well with this product. Enjoy!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Tom- I wanted to let you know that I recently tested the new Bronco Wildtrak for a day in the rocks. I have to say you will be very pleased with this rig, although it sounds like they have been delayed a bit longer? Anyway, after seeing and testing in person, I think I would mount up some 37's BFG KM3's. The Goodyear is a good looking and great OEM tire out of the box, so use it up first then upgrade!

@tomcaldwell5914

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Joe, can’t thank you enough for the review and feedback! I’ve definitely been watching some tire reviews and that’s the way I found your channel. Yours is great because of your expertise as a driver and tester in the real world. My first big trip in ‘’22 after getting my Badlands some time this fall (hopefully.....my order is in and Ford is supposed to send me an estimated build and ship date in late May) will be to Moab and I hope those Goodyear’s are up to the task. If not they’ll be gone and I’ll definitely take your recommendation on the BFG’s when I replace them. Great to have your suggestion and many thanks again, Joe.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@tomcaldwell5914 Anytime Tom, reach out anytime always love to help🤙

Great vid! I like it having the three peak snowflake icon living in Colorado. These tires look good too. I’ll put you on the spot if you can answer, this tire or the Falken Wildpeak AT3. That’s my current top choice once things open up enough where I can get to where I can use them. 2018 Tacoma off-road.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

ElevationEveryWeekend thanks just still trying to figure all this stuff out! I think the look is great on the Toyo. However I am a big fan of the Falken look too! Both tires perform really well and either choice is better than many other brands. The Falken and Open Country went back and forth on many categories. Hope that helps and reach out when ever you want more info.

@bcatz454

3 жыл бұрын

The Falken at3w thread is so similar to the AT3s that I am almost certain Toyo used it as a benchmark when engineering these. The Falkens came out 3-4 years ago, and they were dirt cheap and the best performing. Now, the Falkens have caught up in price where they are more than equivalent Nittos and toyos.

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@bcatz454 I guess you could say they look similar if you’re half blind.

@bcatz454

3 жыл бұрын

@@Icutmetal not sure what you're seeing but its the same block placement and thread pattern. You're not seeing the S blocks on both of em huh?

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

@@bcatz454 Nope; look completely different.

I ordered a set of these in 285/75/16 for my lifted tacoma. I’m thinking of cancelling and going to the R/T due to socal Offroad terrain is extremely rocky, I’m just not sure the sidewalls will hold up. Any comments?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Great question. I would personally run the RT if you are planning to hit more rocky stuff. The AT3 works great for an AT but sidewall stiffness and tread pattern design is not as good for the conditions you plan to drive on. Keep in mind that you will lose some ride comfort and noise will be up a bit but IMO that is a better direction. Hope that helps and should look sweet on that Taco. 🤙

@behindenemylines9033

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the quick reply. Much appreciated!!!!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@behindenemylines9033 Anytime

Hey Joe, I’ll be in the market soon to replace my Nitto RG on 2019 Ram 1500. Was Falken AT4W & Toyo AT3. Just saw some Maxxis Razr AT811 online. Any experience with testing them & if so how did they stack up compared to Toyo AT3?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Haven't spent anytime in the Maxxis. I have tested with them in the past and they are another company that makes decent products. The Falken "was" a great tire but would not recommend them now. You can read previous comments that I get into more detail on that subject. The Toyo AT3 is a solid pick and ranks in the top 3 out of 7 A/T's I tested.

@mikepaul4184

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks. Curious, what were the other top two you tested?

@AA-ih6kt

4 ай бұрын

@@mikepaul4184 lol he wont say i bet....i bet it was wildpeak3 and ko2 or mt baja

@mikepaul4184

4 ай бұрын

@@AA-ih6kt I went with Falken Wildpeak AT3W to replace my Toyo AT3. Happy with them, especially in this Florida rain

What do you think about 235/65/17 on a Jeep Patriot with 1.25 wheel spacers? Too heavy ?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Weight shouldn’t be an issue. Those jeep’s are pretty light. The spacer shouldn’t affect the tire itself but that is a pretty wide spacer?

@thisthat5874

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb thanks for the feedback. I’m going to go with these bad boys. From the all the info I gathered from researching Jeep Patriot forums, I found that if you want to run 235/65/17 stock with no lift, you will need a 1.25 wheel spacer so that it doesn’t rub on the pinch weld & it gives the Jeep a more stabilized stance opposed to the tucked in skateboard wheel stance it now has

Hello Mr. Bacal - I enjoyed your frank comments on the AT III. I have a 2017 Ram 1500 4x4 Crew Cab Ecodiesel. It’s a daily driver / commuter. My stock Goodyear Eagle RSAs are toast after just 32k miles (and I am a stickler for maintenance). At any rate, I’m considering going with a Carli Commuter 2.0 Suspension in order to improve overall ride quality and I’m considering the AT IIIs in 295/60/20 (P-metric). I would like to maintain a fairly quiet and composed ride, increase my wet roadway handling and have a semi-aggressive outward appearance. Will the AT IIIs be my best choice, sir? Thank you.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Robert Haven I appreciate the kind words. Let me look at my data and do some comparisons so I can give you my best answer.

@roberthaven3340

4 жыл бұрын

JOE BACAL Thank you, sir. I look forward to the info.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@roberthaven3340 After looking at my data and what seems to be important to you, below is a top 3 list of tires on how they performed in comparison. I can tell you that you will be hard pressed to find all areas in one tire. You have trade off's like the aggressive lugs and outer appearance. The Toyo AT3's in P-Metric may not meet your expectations on a cosmetic outer look since they are a bit more mild than the LT version. However, the Toyo is a pretty quiet smooth overall tire. Ranked 1-3 Ride Comfort - 1) Falken AT3W 2) Hankook Dynapro 3) Michelin LTX Quietness - 1) Michelin LTX 2) Yokohama AT 3) Toyo AT3 Frequency Vibration - 1) Falken AT3W 2) Hankook Dynapro 3) Michelin LTX Wet Handling - 1) Michelin LTX 2) Falken AT3W 3) Yokohama AT Semi Aggressive Sidewall- 1) Falken AT3W 2) GY Duratrac 3) BFG K02 I am thinking you may be most happy with the Falken according to my data? and your requirements in a tire. I am not sure how they compare on tread wear numbers. I hope this is somewhat helpful.

@roberthaven3340

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you, Mr. Bacal. I’ll look into the Falken.

@roberthaven3340

4 жыл бұрын

One last clarifying question, sir... Are you in reference to the Michelin LTX Defender or the LTX AT2?

Are these made in USA? Do you have 285/75R16 in 10 ply for my Diesel Excursion ?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

I don't work directly for Toyo, so you will have to look at their web site for specific sizes. They do have a plant in Georgia that builds US products. I am just not sure what exact models they produce there

Hi Joe. Thanks for sharing all of this information with us consumers. I’m looking at the P-metric version of this tire for summer use on our ‘13 LX570. Use case is 95% pavement with the balance on gravel roads and no towing. Do you think I would be better served by these OC AT3’s over something like BFG’s new trail terrain T/A or similar “trail” tires?

@sanddrifterjb

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you found what you were looking for. As for the LX570 goes, I have a lot of miles in that 200 series. Amazing vehicle. Anyways, I would absolutely go with the AT3 Toyo over the BFG. I tested both in comparison and, although I raced for BFG for years and love the brand, they are not ideal when it comes to the K02. Not sure on the new Trail Terrain? The K02 are great the first 6 months then they start to really change. They get hard and noisy. The AT3 is IMO a better all around tire, especially from a pattern noise side. As for the AT3, as long as you rotate often they will wear well and stay quiet! hope that helps. I would also probably go with the LT since the LX isn't the lightest SUV on the market. The LT looks a way better from the larger side wall lugs then the P-Metric too. Cheers

@0kkin

2 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the detailed reply Joe! We 200-owners are very fortunate to have a professional driver who also reviews/develops tires and races our platform! You're an incredible resource for us. You and I are 100% on the same page about the superior looks of the LT-metric over the P-metric, but I was concerned about a harsh ride with the LT since they are going to be mounted on the OEM 20" rims. Sizing will be 275/60 (33.0" dia.), please let me know if that changes anything with your recommended load rating. Thanks!

@sanddrifterjb

2 жыл бұрын

@@0kkin Thank you for the kind words. I feel after testing both the P-Metric and LT, I don’t think you will notice much if any between the two unless you did a back to back comparison. Even then it’s minimal at best. If your asking what I would do and running the OEM wheel? I would still run the LT, but that is my personal preference. I like the look of the LT much more and would be ok for any minor trade off’s. The RT is also a good choice if you are looking for a bit more aggressive tire below the M/T. All valid points, I think if the 200 was any lighter I might agree more towards the P-Metric. Again totally what I personally would do. Reach out anytime if you have any 200 questions 😎

@0kkin

2 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Perfect! Thanks for all your help Joe. I'll definitely reach out if I have other questions. Cheers!

Thoughts on which rating is best for 4Runner TRD Pro in stock 265/70/17?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Not exactly sure what rating you are referring to? Can you give me more detail?

@donvape336

3 жыл бұрын

I just put P285 70r 17 on my 2018 4runner sr5 with 2+ inch lift. The tires are nice. Depends on what you plan to whether you get P or LT.

G’day Joe, thank you for the awesome review, no hype, all substance, much appreciated! I am currently torn between Nitto Ridge Grappler and Toyo OC AT3. I know they are both meet my needs off road. If it’s not unfair to ask, could you please provide your opinion for best on road handling in wet and dry between the Nitto Ridge Grappler and Toyo AT3?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Matt- Sounds like you are from Down under! So the Nitto Ridge Grappler is a tire I have tested, just not recently doing a back to back comparison with the Toyo AT3. I won't make up info. and tell you what you want to hear, so I can only give you my best guess on where the two stack up. As you know Toyo and Nitto are basically the same company so many of the same manufacturing and test standards will be similar. As for just a cosmetic comparison, the Nitto's are a bit more aggressive and are not 3PMSF certified. The Nitto also has a much different water evacuation design which IMO is not as ideal to the AT3. Plus since the AT3 has a 3PMSF certification the compounds are most likely going to also improve your wet performance. When it comes to noise the Nitto is pretty noisy from my vague testing and I would bet that it won't be better than the AT3 in that area. Dry on-road handling the AT3 scored very well and the Nitto again IMO would really have to have something special to bump it down. I wish I could give you more concrete information but this is the best I can do with not doing a direct test. Also, I think the Nitto won't wear as uniformed as the Toyo and they become a bit hard over time going through the 4 seasons. My good friend has them and this is what he has experienced. Good luck!

@MattJonesISOHEALTHBJJ

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb wow, thank you much for such a prompt and detailed reply Joe, I truly appreciate it! This is extremely helpful info as I was deadset on one or the other. It definitely sounds like the AT3 is the most ideal of the two for my location and driving needs. Have a great arvo mate!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@MattJonesISOHEALTHBJJ Anytime! all good buddy take care

You stated some good key points that I look for in a tire. Switching over from KO2's now. Fingers crossed they are a good choice. Ram 3500 mega cab 4x4 works hard and tows heavy. LT285/75 R18

@sanddrifterjb

Жыл бұрын

Glen - I am not in sales nor do I gain anything from Toyo. I just test tires and I think you will see the improvements over the K02's. Rotate often to keep the road noise at a minimum and if you happen to get in the snow, the AT3 is night and day better! Cheers..

Hi Joe, I appreciate your objective take on all this and am glad I found a review that I can actually use. I live in CO and will be getting new tires for my f150 before winter comes. I drive a long way for work and with the strange weather we get, need to be able to power through anything without getting stuck. I do a decent amount of hunting as well in the high country and farm roads and want a tire that I can count on there too. The A/T segment seems perfect to me from a functional standpoint and they can look really great as well on a pervious truck I had the Toyo AT II and really liked them except for what seemed like them being a little slick on wet roads and ice. I am going to go with the LT since we tow a bit and was also going to go up to a 275/70R18. I am trying to decide between these new Toyo's III, the Cooper AT3 XLT, Goodyear Ultra Terrains and prior to reading some of your comments, the Falken. Looks like I should now avoid the Falkens. The local tire guy suggested I look at the new Hankook AT2, but I am not sure I'm a fan. I do a fair amount of reading and my own research but you have the first hand experience and I would love to hear your thoughts on these different options and how they compare and even where fall disappointingly short. Thank you in advance for your time and knowledge.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words. The ATII did not have the 3PMSF cert like the new AT3 Toyo does. It is much better tire all around but snow and wet it's considerably better IMO . I was not impressed at all from the Hankook on dry and dirt but snow was actually very good. Same goes with the Goodyear. did decent in snow but other areas not so much. as for the Cooper, I am a fan of this tire and it preformed really well in most areas (except snow). It all comes down to what your high priorities are....I guess in the end, the Toyo AT3 just did most things well and that is why I like it for an all around solid performer.. Hope that helps

@kirkstaley9046

3 жыл бұрын

@jartlamb I was wondering if you made a decision what persuaded it the most. I'm deciding between these and the Discoverer a/t xlt as well. I like the looks of these and I'm quite sure they're better off road. I'm 95% on road and want something that will last. Hard to find much info on these since they're still pretty new. I have OC at2's and they seem to wear pretty fast. They were on my truck when i bought it, so not sure how many miles on them.

Joe, this is the best review on these tires I've seen. Thanks! Do you have any experience with the Yokohama Geolandar G015 compared to the Toyo AT3? I need to replace the G015 we're currently running on our Subaru Outback in 235/65R17 for 3 season duty (with Nokian studs for winter). I'm trying to decide if we should stick with the less aggressive G015 or step up to the AT3. Snow performance, wet performance, and gas mileage are biggest factors (in that order). Also, does the siping on the AT3 go the full tread depth?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! I do have experience with the Yokohama G015 compared to the AT3. The G015 was one of the competitors I tested and it did well for the most part. I would go with the P-Metric and not LT which you have listed. Just wanted to throw that important info. in there for the type of vehicle you are driving. I have a modified CrossTrek and love it! To answer your direct questions see below: Snow Performance - AT3 was better in every category over the G015 Wet Handling Performance- G015 was better than AT3 Wet Stopping Objective Data- AT3 had a shorter stopping distance 60 to 0 compared to the G015 MPG- I don't have this data since this is something I don't normally test for at the track Siping depth- It looks like the siping depth varies from full to quarter, as they have a few different design cuts on the blocks. That may be a question for corporate to fully answer. I hope this is helpful and good luck with your decision.

@auvgeek

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for the detailed response. Very, very helpful! I'll contact Toyo corporate re siping -- not full depth might disqualify these for me. Pretty sure the G015 is full depth in most if not all the blocks, as evidenced by my worn tires. I'm a little unsure what you mean by the size I listed is LT ... I was pretty sure the 235/65R17 size is P metric for both tires, but I'll definitely double check before purchasing. Would you put the AT3 on your Crosstrek?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

auvgeek you are correct on your listing of the P-Metric. I was not trying to confuse you but wanted to make sure that was your direction. I wish I had a better answer for the siping which is really important in your location. Hopefully you can confirm the depth. As for running the AT3 on my Crosstrek. I would most definitely 👍

@spenserrr

3 жыл бұрын

auvgeek Let is know what you find out about siping depth, if you don’t mind!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Spenser I will see what Toyo engineers say

So can I use the lt tire on my 1500 chevy crew cab?

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

Why wouldn’t you be able to?

How will they hold up on a 2500HD 60% of my driving is highway 30% city. And sadly 10%fun. I've only had 1500 before and only had Ko2 and the Falken that where good. Ko2 an the Falken where amazing for my needs.. but I hear for the 2500 they don't last. I only pull a little Yamaha jet boat.. my boat ramp is 1/2 mile from my house.. so really only pulling like 100 miles a year..

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

I think the Toyo is comparable with the Falken and K02 overall with some improvement, for instance they are much quieter then the K02 and less harsh. When it comes longevity, Toyo uses a different company to test so I personally don’t have that data. You can look at Toyotire.com to get more info on that. I think with testing all 3 that you will like the AT3 overall. 👌

can the AT3 fit a jeep wrangler Rubicon with 16 inch wheels? this was great informative video thanks for all the information.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! I would go to www.toyotires.com. They have all of the specs and sizes there. 🤙

Definitely my next set of all-terrains will be A/T 3's. Liked n subscribed.

Hi Joe Just bought a new 2020 3L Silverado diesel. Have 2.5” lift and buying 275x70R18. Live in Canada and go throw all type of conditions specially snow. My 2 choices are Falken WildPeak AT3W Or Toyo AT3 I know you’ve reviews both and sponsored by Toyo but what’s your honest opinion. What’s the overal better tire? Yes snow included, Canada we get ton of snow.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

steve melo Steve - sounds like a very nice ride! I am actually not sponsored by Toyo just have been contracted to test for them. I have only raced for BFG so they were a sponsor for many years. What I am getting at is I don’t lean any particular way and I will only give you my honest opinion based on actual test data. Both of these tires are solid picks, however after learning of a production running change on the Falken’s, I would now not recommend that spec. The AT3W has now different rubber compounds and during our testing I couldn’t understand when I tested the AT3W’s many months before, they were by far the best all around in almost every category. Then during my 2nd round of testing they were suddenly way off the mark and one of the worst tires tested against 7 others. We then confirmed new and older spec back to back and I was was correct on my evaluation conclusion. Anyway, long story but I would go with the Toyo for that reason. If the Falken wouldn’t have changed then I would have said Falken is best for your conditions. I hope that helps.

@outyxt800

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb it helps yes and no. Thanks for your quick response. You do an amazing job on these reviews. Truck runs amazing and getting 7.5L to 100km hyway driving. Trucks unreal, love it so far. As for tires I just called all over the place. Actually even called Alberta since I’m in British Columbia. No one in Canada can get Toyo AT3, seems to be only in US right now. Talk about a buzz kill. Falkens however I can purchase. Funny how you say different rubber compound effected tire performance. I noticed in 275x65R18 it comes in 3 different ratings. Load range P- Standard Load Range C Load Range E. Now saying that the different loads in tire and ratings maybe could have affected the performance second time around for you? Now that I can’t get Toyo AT3 in Canada and you say stay away from Falken I’m kind of screwed now. 2 best tires I recommend in my option now out of the equation. Back to square 1 at nothing :(

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@outyxt800 That is kind of a bummer. To answer your question on compounds, I tested the same LT E rated on both so I am 100% doing a back to back comparison. Plus I have an inside source that confirmed the production change at Falken. They are making the tire "cheaper" now and many who have purchased this tire in the past (old good spec) will now get the (new "cheaper" spec). Falken will deny I am sure but that is cost cutting at it's best! really not cool IMO. The Cooper and Goodyear tested well in the snow might be another option for you? Feel free to reach out on a tire that you are interested in and I can see if I have any test data on them.

@outyxt800

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb ok so I just picked up some Cooper Discovery LT275x65R18 and studded them. I wanted 1 tire do all however I really want those Toyo AT3 for summer. Slapped those winter tires on the stock 18” rims and use that this winter. Hopefully that gives enough time for those Toyo AT3 to come into Canada next year. Hopefully they are in and I’ll take those with some nice new rims as well. I looked at BFG T/A ko2 and Grapplers A/TX. I don’t know about you but the grapplers have more tread depth and the siping on the tread are deeper on the grapplers then BFG. Also the tread gap on the grapplers are a smitch wider as well. I like that as it will give a tad more traction off road over tighter tread with less knobs/siping. I don’t know what all the praise is over this BFG T/A KO2 but seeing it beside the General Grapplers A/TX I’d take the grapplers all day every day. Another Bonus is you could also stud the grapplers. Another tire I hear all the time is the good year duratrac. Seeing it first hand as well very disappointed with them. The siping is like couple mm deep. Once tread wears past that this tire is pretty much useless in the snow. How it has a 3 peak mountain Symbol on them boggles my mind. More of a entry level mud tire then all season lol. Got my hands on the Falken wild peak at3w and I really like that tires looks. It’s tempting however hearing what you said about them I may just go for the Grapplers A/TX. I had grapplers at2 and really liked them. Hoping the new updated one is even better. What you think?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@outyxt800 That is a lot to digest but first I agree on the BFG K02 I love BFG and they put me in the top box in Baja many times, however I am not sold in the A/T market. They tested well in some areas and really fell of the mark in others. Snow performance was not my favorite overall. As for the General, I actually helped develop the M/T X3 and it out performed BFG in several areas. I like General and think they make a good tire. I also like the fact that they are connected to Continental and that also is a top respected brand. I personally haven't had a chance to test the AT/X but I wouldn't hesitate to give them a try. I also think it is a smart move to keep the 18's on a Cooper for snow. I love the Coppers!

I'm looking at a set for my FJ Cruiser -- size would be 265/75R16 -- I would prefer a Load Range C but you can really only find that in the Duratracs at that size. In my case would you recommend the SL version or the LT Load Range E?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

tself77 well here is one way to look at it. The P-Metric will look a touch different on the outer sidewall blocks. (not as large and aggressive as the LT) Also how tricked out is your FJ? Do you have bumpers, winch, roof top tent etc? Will you be towing? If this is the case you may consider the LT. The FJ is my favorite 👍 I have had four of them!

@tself77

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb 2 weeks later I'm still debating it haha. My FJ is going to be kept stock for the most part. I use it in remote real estate appraisal logging a lot of miles. So mpg and overall drivetrain wear is important and I pay a lot of attention to weight for that reason. However I love the look and meatier tread/sidewall of the LT. I'm seeing 41 lbs for the P Metric and 50lbs for the LT Load E....seems like they would have a big market for a LT Load C around 45lbs for Toyota 4x4s in that stock size. Thanks again. Enjoying your videos!

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@tself77 Thank you for the kind words....... Don't take this to seriously but I would say after owning 4 FJ's and being on the FJ development team, you may want to sell it if you are that concerned about weight and MPG being that important to you. I am joking of course, but I think the FJ never really looked good out of the box with the OE tires. I prefer the A/T or M/T. I see your point with weight, but this rig is not a Prius and the aerodynamics alone is an up hill battle. Trade off's for sure just my two cents and nothing will compare to the OE M+S tire when it comes to MPG. The OE tire does very well and I have taken that tire through the Baja 1000 race course many times without an issue. Keep the OEM tires unless you really see a need and don't mind taking a small hit on MPG changing to an A/T.

@tself77

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Point taken haha. So long as I'm not subjecting myself to a horrible ride quality I think I'll go with the LT version. I've been getting 19-20mpg stock so if I get 18-19 with LT tires no big deal.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

tself77 if you have any FJ questions feel free to reach out! Dig those things! Have built up plenty and can tell you what parts to run. 👍

Hi Joe, Any experience testing Continental TerrainContact AT? I won’t be doing much off roading or need to deal with snow. I live in FL so wet traction is very important for me. I am seeing mixed reviews on Toyo OC AT3 for wet traction & road noise

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Hey Mike - I Don't have any direct comparison data for the Conti's but I do think they make a great tire. I spent many days on their test track in Texas, so I have high confidence in there products. As for the the Toyo AT3's, I can tell you that the AT3 did exceptionally well in wet conditions compared to 7 other AT's I tested. I am not sure who you want to listen to when it comes to reviews but if your reviewers are not testing on a test proving ground then I would take that info. with a grain of salt. Their is a lot that goes into tire evaluation and consistency from a driver and surfaces or vehicles cannot change. Also, I have a set of the AT3's on my 4Runner and I started to get some road noise. I rotated the tires and that helped a ton. I recommend rotating AT's often for this reason. Not sure this is helpful but that is what I can share with you. Cheers

@mikepaul4184

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks for your reply! I placed my order on 295/60/20 Toyo OC AT3 with Discount Tire today!

On my top 3 list for 8" snow in the Northwest. My AS Revo Dueller are great on pavement but terrible in snow!

I’ve been looking at AT3s to replace my KO2s on Jeep JLU diesel but I’m very intrigued by the new RT Trails. What are you thoughts on the those?

@sanddrifterjb

Жыл бұрын

I recently tested with Toyo at the Test track evaluating the AT3 to the RT Trail. Toyo keeps improving and I think I found my new favorite tire. The tread design and overall performance was even that much better IMO with the RT Trails 👍 Pavement / Dirt / Wet handling and Ride Comfort scored well.

@richardmoore2003

Жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb thanks for the quick reply. I plan to look at both.

@richardmoore2003

Жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb I was a little concerned about the few extra pounds that the RT Trails weigh over the AT3s for the 35s but I’m thinking with the torque of my diesel engine, it shouldn’t an issue. The RTs seem to be less weight than many other ATs or Hybrid brands and I like the D range instead of E.

@sanddrifterjb

Жыл бұрын

@@richardmoore2003 Agree. As a test driver even for me, the tire extra weight is very difficult to feel. If I was racing, then I take it more serious.

@sanddrifterjb

Жыл бұрын

@@richardmoore2003 Anytime, Good luck 😎

Joe Bacal, great video! If I could get your opinion. I have a 2015 Chevy Colorado Z71. I drive 90% Hwy, the rest is gravel or mud, hunting and fishing. Never got stuck in my 245/70R17 Toyo AT2's, got over 80,000 on my first set. Got over 85,000 on my current set. But cant find AT2's anymore from my local dealers. Do you think it is probable the AT3's might have the same Hwy to Offroad wear. I drive about 50,000 a year on average.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Bill - I would check with your local dealer on wear mileage for the AT3. My focus was on tire performance rather than wear longevity. I can tell you that the AT3 is better than the AT2 in several categories. From what you are doing from a driving side, you will be very pleased moving into the AT3.

Would these Toyo A/T’s out perform the BFG KO2’s & falken wildpeak AT3?

@sanddrifterjb

Жыл бұрын

I did a detailed evaluation during the the development of the AT3. I tested both the K02's and Falken. Their are a few areas that the BFG and Falken did well but from an overall test, the Toyo AT3 out performed both. I personally would go with the new Toyo RT Trail. Even better IMO

Love these tires just bought a set for my 4Runner

@juliosdiy3206

3 жыл бұрын

Any noise on the 4runner so far?

@AA-ih6kt

4 ай бұрын

how are they 2 yrs later?

Looking forward to the release in Europe and to see what size we can get

Hi Joe, i will buy the Toyo OC AT3 and Switch from my BFG K02. But now I have heard, that the Toyos are difficult to balance and that there is a Vibration feeling when you Drive faster. Do you or your customers have made same experiences? Regards from Germany.

@sanddrifterjb

8 ай бұрын

I think you should re-check your balance of the tires. It maybe a wheel issue as well. My experience with run-out on the Toyo and Nitto brands are far superior than other brands like BFG. Toyo uses a specific manufacturing process (updated) compared to BFG. I have had mounted and balanced both brands many times and the Toyo's use a small amount of weights, where the BFG's take a lot to get them to zero out. Hope that helps Joe

@TheMrT87

8 ай бұрын

Hey Joe, thanks a lot for answering and for your Support. I ordered the Toyos now and I will See How they run.

@sanddrifterjb

8 ай бұрын

@@TheMrT87 👍 the RT Trail is also a great choice next time. All the best 😎

@TheMrT87

8 ай бұрын

Yes, I would prefer the R/T, but it is not available in Germany, or maybe europe. An I found no Information about 3PMSF signing. Best regards from Germany.

I just got mine delivered to my house, I didn't know there are different ones, how do I tell what ones I got ? You said towards the end of the video that they have 2 kinds for different kinds of trucks.. I have a 2010 nissan xterra 4wd. What ones should I have gotten ?

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

I suggest the P-Metric sizes for most SUV’s or the LT’s for trucks that carry weight or tow. Either will work but the LT’s will require more tire inflation. If the sidewall says P265 etc. then you bought the P metric. If your tires read LT 265 for example then you have the light truck spec

@TapSnapOrNap203

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb oh ok cool.. mine say P265 /70/16 111T. I never knew that about tires. Thanks for the quick response..

@TapSnapOrNap203

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb I have the Mastercraft Courser AXT on rightnow and they have been really good for daily driving. I wonder how much better the Toyo AT3 will be.. especially in snow..

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@TapSnapOrNap203 Yeah, the P-Metric means passenger tire and the LT means light truck. You got the correct spec. It will ride a bit softer for sure then the LT

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

@@TapSnapOrNap203 i think better in snow with the 3pmsf certification. Let me know.

What tire is better on road: The TOYO Open Country CT, or The TOYO Open Country AT3. Is there a comparison anywhere between the 2🤔???

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

I wish I had a good comparison to show you between these two tires. I did not test the two back to back during our development of the AT3.

Thanks for the video

Hi Joe, just subscribed to your channel and watched the Confused about buying tires video. Love the ratings on the Toyo site, really answered the questions I had and also helped me determine which categories are most important to me when looking for a new tire. Coming from BFG KO2s, I am looking at the Toyo AT3s as my next tire for my 5th gen 4runner. How is the durability against chips and chunking on high speed gravel/rocky type terrain vs the RT? Also, will there be an RT2 in the near future? I feel like the AT3's are more on the RT side of things.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

beez33 Thank you for the kind words and appreciate you subscribing to my channel. I also have BFG’s and they are a good tire but really suffer a bit on noise and ride comfort compared to the Toyo AT3. When it comes to the RT’s I personally haven’t tested them but are a bit more aggressive from a tread design to the AT3. I also am sure the compounds are much different. I currently have a P-Metric set of the AT3’s on my 4 Runner and I really like them. I can’t say for certain how they hold up on high speed gravel roads etc. Toyo does a lot of durability testing so I think they are easily as good as BFG. I have another car with K02’s on it and drive both often. Huge difference in road for sure when it comes to noise. I used to race for BFG and love their products, however I like the Toyo’s much better.

@_beez33

3 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb again thanks for the information Joe!

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

beez33 Anytime! Take care🤙

How is the rt?

How does the Toyo ATIII compare to the Falken Wildpeak AT3/W?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Honestly, they both performed really well going back and fourth during our testing. The Falken IMO out performed the Toyo AT3 in more categories if you compare them directly between one another. Here are a few areas I thought I would share. WET- Equal STEERING FEEL- Falken Toyo DRY HANDLING - Equal RIDE COMFORT- Falken Toyo OFF-ROAD RALLY- (hard pack dirt) Equal

@TeCKis300

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb How would you say they compare noise wise on the highway?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@TeCKis300 I would say that the Toyo is a bit quieter in comparison to the Falken. I am not sure if it is the tread design or compound but I did see a difference. I love aggressive tires, but the noise and vibration translates to fatigue over time.

@TeCKis300

4 жыл бұрын

​@@sanddrifterjb Appreciate it! Puts me back on the fence between the Falken and Toyo. I have the Falkens in 33s now and really enjoy the balance of ride comfort, on road steering, rain/snow, and off-road qualities. Still great tire but I'd like to go up to 35s. On an LX570, a model you helped develop and campaign. =P

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

pteck nice! I love and miss my 2 LX’s. I hear you on choices. Both are great products!

Are these tires good and safe for a long road trip? Like 2,000 mile trip??

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

Conrado Mora your question is a little vague but I would say absolutely

@Icutmetal

3 жыл бұрын

Shouldn’t any tires be suitable for a 2,000mi trip?

Great informative video, I was skeptical about this brand, did my own research, couldn't find any info worth wild .. I'm kind of weird about tires on my service truck, anyway nice marketing .. I'll have the tire dealer put 4 of these guys on tomorrow.

@sanddrifterjb

3 жыл бұрын

I can tell you I work with many tire brands out there and some are not great due to poor or "cheap" rubber compounds, or design etc. I don't work for Toyo as an employee but am hired as a consultant to find real world driving issues and how to improve these findings like we did from the AT2 to the AT3. I also really like many of their products on commercial vehicles and for towing. Thank you for the kind words...

How does this tire compare to the BFG KO2 in terms of road noise, wet, and snow handling?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Great comparison and I am a big BFG fan, however during my testing the BFG K02 was trying to keep up with the Toyo in many categories. During development we used the BFG for many target settings, so I am confident that we did our homework and was able to improve those areas. Noise- The K02 seems to be pretty quiet initially but becomes louder over time. The Toyo is quieter and more enjoyable IMO. Wet- These were much closer in lateral grip levels, but the Toyo was more confident and predictable once the grip was lost during limit conditions. Snow- This was the most surprising to me. Absolutely terrible for ride comfort on the K02 and, although the K02 has good directness and steering feel, it lacked the lateral bite feel from the Toyo AT3. I hope this is helpful. I did just do a video on my channel with the k02 if you are interested.

@navydoc

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb thank you for the info. I am going to order me a set of Toyo to try on my Land Cruiser.

@navydoc

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb I bought a set and had them installed today. They ride really smooth and the only difference I notice between the factory tires is that the Toyos are a bit noisier at freeway speeds. Does Toyo make left and right side tires? I ask because if I want the more aggressive sidewall to face outwards, the sidewall pattern will not match with the other side and trigger my OCD. I'd prefer if the pattern on both sides were the same.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Navy Doc The tires should all match if they where mounted correctly. I would have to look at the inside and outside, but it almost sounds like your installer may have one flipped? Also did you get the P metric or LT? Their could be a small chance you have a mix. If you have all LT’s and one is a P-Metric you will absolutely see a difference on the out side lug raises pattern.

@navydoc

4 жыл бұрын

JOE BACAL all E load tires. The tires all match if lined up in a row. But once you move to 2 to driver side and 2 to passenger side the sidewall pattern (looks like flags to me) point a different direction. Drivers side it points to the front of the vehicle, passenger side points to the rear of the vehicle. If I make both sides match, where both point to the rear of the vehicle, one side will have the less aggressive pattern where the letters are more flush with the sidewall.

Great feedback and review; there’s not a lot of feedback on these yet, and videos like this are what other reviewers should aspire to. Lots of opinion-based chatter, but rarely any legitimate head to head testing to back up their statements. It would be nice to know which competitors you were referring & comparing these to, but I completely understand why that’s not a great idea.

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

I appreciate the feedback and I also agree that, even though many are "talking" about tires on other channels, I would say you can't really say BEST TIRE unless you have tested them properly. I also realize many may have access to tires but may not have testing evaluation training or test track availability. As for the 7 competitors I was referring to, I plan to do some individual stand alone videos on many of them. It will be a similar format so you will see the PRO's and CON's from my actual testing. I will also share my honest professional opinion.

@Icutmetal

4 жыл бұрын

JOE BACAL Thanks for your response. I know there are a lot of good choices out there and it’s probably splitting hairs in some categories. I’m really interested in them for my 2500HD diesel; what’s important to me is snowy road performance (I’ve also been to W.Yellowstone), wet road performance in heavy rain, towing stability, along with reasonable noise and tread life.

@Icutmetal

4 жыл бұрын

JOE BACAL So I’ve sort of narrowed my choice down to the AT3, General Grabber ATX, Falken AT3W, and KO2. I’ve got 265/60R20’s now, and will be going up to 275/65R20. I’ve read comments and your responses suggesting that the AT3 is comparable to the KO2 & AT3W; not sure if you’ve tested the ATX. For a guy in Ohio with a 2500 Diesel that tows snowmobile trailers on and off road thru Michigan & out west, tows boats locally, and general all around use, how would you rate my choices for a relatively quiet all terrain that wears decent and kicks butt in snow?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

@@Icutmetal Great options for sure! OK, as for the ATX General, I actually started testing that tire for General after I finished development on the X3 MT. During my testing of the ATX, they pulled me off the project since my main General contact had transferred to Germany, so I never finished and haven't tested the final product. I do remember that they were pretty good up until that point. As for the K02 , Toyo AT3 and Falken AT3W go, from what you plan to do with it I would not go BFG. They were not ideal in the snow and the ride comfort was really firm! Controlability was also an issue .... The Falken AT3W is a fantastic tire and one of my all time favorites, but snow performance was below the new Toyo AT3. I might go with the Falken 1st but it sounds like you want low road noise and good snow performance so it looks like the Toyo did better after checking my data that I am looking at for you in those specific areas....both great choices!

Good video! Very interested in this tire. Do you know if it's a 2 or 3 ply sidewall? Guessing 2, based on some of the tire weights I've seen on the Toyo website?

@sanddrifterjb

4 жыл бұрын

Let me confirm with my Toyo contact. I thought it was a 3 ply during our conversations during testing ....

@TrashPandaGarage

4 жыл бұрын

@@sanddrifterjb Thanks!