They wear far more from use than being stored full.

@RangeDayBro

Жыл бұрын

This is very true

@RangeDayBro

Жыл бұрын

That is more or less exactly what Magpul told me when I spoke to them. Expansion & contraction of the spring is what causes wear. Aka using them. Not constant compression from being loaded long term.

@jmarr8572

Жыл бұрын

REALLY????!!!!!??????? I WOULDA NEVER GUESSED THAT STORING SOMTHING AWAY WOULD KEEP IT IN BETTER CONDITION THEN USING IT UR A GENIUS!!!!!!!!

@josh2711

Жыл бұрын

@@jmarr8572 wow, sorry that us simple folks are discussing whether constantly being under tension is more damaging than the action of going under tension and relatively immediately releasing. Is there a place for us inferior people to discuss things without bothering you? I don’t want to disturb your safe place.

@randynelson3867

Жыл бұрын

​​@@josh2711 easy my brother! @jmarr is friend, not food. He was sarcastic, but he is also correct. Nobody called you "stupid or simpleton". He is saying this guy's first video threw alot of people off (including me). I'm sure you can agree that most of us, upon watching this, were thinking, "that's what I thought!" This, right here, is the space where all of us here belong. We should be better than the Libturds who can't even have a basic and reasonable conversation

Man, so many people in the community are ego driven. Mad respect for corrections and setting a solid example of ownership.

@bradkellen1876

Жыл бұрын

Damage is done, so many people will never see this correction. It’s just like how leftist news media operates!

@ForFucksSake57591

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely 👍🏻 🇺🇸🇺🇸

@1611KJV

Жыл бұрын

Amen. Great job correcting us and yourself as well. Not many would do that. I’m going to subscribe just because of this.

@d-cm1446

Жыл бұрын

💯

@professionalpenguin6871

Жыл бұрын

Yeah instead he uses a clickbait title

Always store your mags loaded!!... so that the day you actually need it, you aren't wasting time loading it lol.

@Wretched2JZ

6 ай бұрын

I know right lol! The internet is wild everyone’s gotta voice their opinion and everyone’s gotta be “right”. 🙈

@allancruz8115

6 ай бұрын

Im pretty sure he meant to put the clip over the mag. So dirt can't go in. Thats what his trying to say.

@Trunicb187

6 ай бұрын

Exactly

@Zack-xi6kr

5 ай бұрын

Amen to that

@MakeMoneyTrucking

5 ай бұрын

Hold on intruder I gotta get all these rounds in my magazine

Admitting your mistakes shows more about your character than doubling down. Props

@NothingSekret

7 ай бұрын

He still called the magazine a clip. I wouldn't trust this guy to give me a free water

@dickmeatbootysack2165

7 ай бұрын

@@NothingSekret…no? i think ur a tad stupid. “magpul clip” is the name of the product

@drbeanbeanbino5746

7 ай бұрын

Well to be fair in this case? I think doubling down would more than likely be a career killer. Either that or a career booster for being the silliest bastard in the gun game

@jasongilliland4104

6 ай бұрын

Takes a real man to come out like this most just delete the video and keep moving . Hats 🧢 good sir is still think their may be some truth to what you said though regardless they keep trash from getting inside the magazine and not t relieves pressure on the lips like u said

@VState60

6 ай бұрын

@@NothingSekrethe does this on purpose for comments. Most worthless guntuber that has existed to date.

Props for being a real man and admitting that you where wrong. The world needs more people like you

@JacobWilson777

Жыл бұрын

Were

@thelemon5069

Жыл бұрын

Men are often too annoying to admit their wrong. Ego fucks a majority of em

@ls200076

Жыл бұрын

Where

@lonewolf_driver

Жыл бұрын

Whermst

@nickepants7011

Жыл бұрын

Barbecue

Holy shit!!! Someone on KZread actually admitting that they were mistaken!! Damn dude, huge respect, I hope your channel goes huge. Seriously

@wombbroom

11 ай бұрын

I was about to say that, kinda impressed

@davidh4305

11 ай бұрын

Its called humility. It's not something new.

@spencerorlando8074

11 ай бұрын

@@davidh4305it’s not new for people your around but new to the internet.

@youtubecomments5951

11 ай бұрын

I agree. So many feel that admiring wrong is gonna hurt them and they go down a rabbit hole of making up nonsense to prove they Weren’t wrong. I avoid those people at all cost. They are detrimental to advancements.

@streamylc

11 ай бұрын

I hope he goes huge if he does proper research from now on.... props for the humility, but entertaining foolishness is not productive either.... unless you wanna spend your time listening to bad info only to spend more time finding that out

The entire time I've owned guns I've had people tell me to not store mags loaded. For the past 20 years I ignored them. I have never had a mag problem.

@NotParticularlyAmused

7 ай бұрын

And you won't if you don't but shit mags.

@w00tb0ss

6 ай бұрын

I joked with same people. Do they jack their cars up when stored to take weight off the springs? Keep mags all half weighted.

@hdghostrider1403

6 ай бұрын

Right!!!

@main_pimp_8513

6 ай бұрын

Tap. rack. Bang.

@jacquinwimbish5103

6 ай бұрын

Yea, I'm sure the unwanted visted will stop, when you holler hold on, my mags are stored unloaded🤣🤣🤣

A spring doesn't deteriorate when it's compressed. Only when it constantly compresses and decompresses. Leaving a spring compressed won't hurt it at all.

@titoslounge1946

5 ай бұрын

Thank you

@Jubileusmocca

5 ай бұрын

It must be remembered that large temperature fluctuations cause movement in the spring, which in turn wears out the spring (a little bit, but still). So storage at a constant temperature is recommended

@joeculver6227

5 ай бұрын

“Deteriorate” is kind of a relative term anyways, right? Maybe Jordan Peterson could delve into that a bit. lol. Every spring I’ve seen stored under load looses itzy bitzy amounts of “memory” I guess you could call it, but probably not enough to effect reliable function. To say it “doesn’t affect” them is probably not true, but to say it doesn’t matter probably is true.

@jason200912

4 күн бұрын

It doesn't seem to be true as Paul harrel reasons. He says like a car, a suspension always fully compressed will have problems returning to original length. And has found the same thing to happen with magazine springs

A gun KZreadr that corrected his statement honestly got me to subscribe. As someone who’s been in the gun world for 25+ years this is rare

@PeacePills.

Жыл бұрын

you’re not lying bro. on any video i watch that has to do with guns half the comments are complaining about something the person in the video did wrong and usually half of those people complaining are wrong themselves. idk what it is about gun people that makes so many of them have such big egos

@adamjenkins190

Жыл бұрын

​@Peace Pills it's called hyper masculinity. With hyper masculinity usually comes a lot of insecurities that they must compensate for. They see being wrong as the weakness. Can't be weak. Ever. That's what it is

@95talon07

Жыл бұрын

Same

@Whiskey5_

Жыл бұрын

Not sure who y'all watch but sounds like you need to change up your viewing habits. But judging by the things y'all say you seem pretty stupid and have nothing but low information arguments, and a bunch of strawmen approaches.

@westonloomis

Жыл бұрын

​​@@PeacePills.t's one of those dogmagic topics full of armchair "experts" who are so unyielding to any new information that they ridicule everything they didn't already believe. There are lots of topics like this (such as dogs), where personal familiarity imbues a sense of expertise in its adherents. It's got nothing to do with "fragile masculinity" (whatever that BS neologism means), unlike what someone tried suggesting in the comments; what a braindead take btw. It's due to the fact that it's one of those subjects that the individual feels expertise in due to having lived with an interest in it for most of their lives. Opinions become deep held beliefs which are incredibly hard to change as they become part of the person's ego and experience.

when the bad guys come along and you actually need to use your weapons, they will surely give you time to unlock your safe, and then unlock your separately stored ammo, and then load your empty mags!!

@Perroden

Жыл бұрын

Right? It's ridiculous to me how some ppl store thier crap like that

@Auto987

Жыл бұрын

@@Perroden fr bruh

@christophertibbetts2458

Жыл бұрын

​@Hito Hito Fruit Model: Reaper, those people have guns for the range, not protection, lmao. That's the all gas no breaks shooter.

@evilparadigm

Жыл бұрын

​@@christophertibbetts2458 Exactly.

@WhatHappenedIn-vt3vq

Жыл бұрын

It's also bad for your cylinder because of the powder but that's a good reason to keep a revolver

Guns & Ammo magazine a few years ago ran a story of one of the contributors that discovered a loaded 1911 magazine in a .45, after his father died. A receipt and a box of ammo, minus 7 rounds, indicated that it had been left in that state for 60 years or so. It was tried, and everything, pistol, mag and ammo, all ran perfectly!!

@user-qi7qo7xj9h

6 ай бұрын

Prime example…❤

@joshcarter-com

6 ай бұрын

But the 1911 is a special case. Guns designed by John Moses Browning live in fear of disappointing their maker in the afterlife. Of course that magazine spring wouldn’t dare lose its elasticity.

@calebcomet1868

5 ай бұрын

I saw something like this for rifle magazines some old guy had sealed away for 40-60 years, he heard there was a debate on this and tested out the old mags and turns out they worked fine.

@jimmysapien9961

5 ай бұрын

Use Metal mags 👍🏻👍🏻

@CrashRacknShoot

5 ай бұрын

I remember that very article. Makes me laugh when I see guys *still* believing that mags wear out from just sitting there doing what theyre designed to do lol

The old "don't store mags loaded" came from early magazines when spring steel was more susceptible to tension fatigue. While that is still true to a degree, improvements in technology and manufacturing have given us the gift of far superior metal products in the last century or so.

I’ve been telling people this for years. It’s perfectly safe for your mags to be stored loaded. There have been engineering studies on spring compression that support this practice.

@DrymarchonShaun

6 ай бұрын

What someone said that seemed to have logic behind it is that the whole "don't store you mags loaded" comes from when the US was manufacturing mags with the expectation for them to be essentially single use. They weren't expecting them to be reused over extended periods of time, so thing materials the springs were made out of wasn't the right material for making springs.

Takes a man to admit he’s wrong and correct himself. Publicly.🙌

@mossfromdade3056

Жыл бұрын

not really, you kinda have no choice in this age of vital content. better admit before the fans getchu lol. and he lowkey coped out with the “the people that told me are also wrong”, would never report something I don’t k n o w just ‘cause someone t o l d me

@goodluck-sx8zf

Жыл бұрын

better to admit to forget and move on. you can store it loaded, just unload and reload every 6 months. it'll be fine, I cleaned mine even if I didn't shoot. you carry it in a dusty area. clean my handguns more cause of carry dust and grim. when ever you clean. cycle the rounds out to reload them back. it's fine. it's having responsibilities with a loaded mag. you want it to work properly. take care of it. it shouldn't just be a symbol. don't want the responsibility, keep it in the box till you're ready to use it.

@ACTUALLYRICH

Жыл бұрын

@@mossfromdade3056 common man, give us males some backup lol it’s toxic to be masculine these days and we need brotherhood 🙌🙌 you’re right tho

@mossfromdade3056

Жыл бұрын

@@ACTUALLYRICH I see your point as well my friend

@YaHKaB_WaRYaL_YaSHaRaL

Жыл бұрын

And if some asshole acts like a prick & not listen to the man that does admit they're wrong. Then that fool will learn & get a taste of their own medicine for not listening!

I’ve heard it’s bad to store mags loaded but I’ve done it all my life, I’ve had an ak mag that’s been full since I bought it 8 years ago, I shoot it time to time but always refill and store it loaded, still works like it’s supposed to

Yes.... The spring only wears due to the movement of the metal. If it is left alone, you can store your magazines loaded almost forever. They teach you this in the military.....

@MrLilgump

5 ай бұрын

27 of 30

@shadowwolf9503

Ай бұрын

Im 6 years prior service. Us Army Field Artillery. We were issued the ole M-16A1, with both 20 and 30 metal mags. Our manuals and Drill Sgts told us to load 18 in a 20 rounder and 28 in the 30's. And I was raised being told to download firearm mags a round or two and to rotate loaded mags every 6 months. So I always have. I'm 60 now and have never had a mag spring go bad using these ideas. My AR-15 laying beside me at the moment has a 40 round Pmag in it , loaded with 37 rounds of IMI green tip 5.56. Current advice is totally oposite of what I was always taught. I believe a person should practice which ever way works for them and makes them happy. I will sign off with saying, the main problem I've had with mags over my long experience with firearms is with cheap, aftermarket magazines. After having complete failures with the first couple I bought when I was young, I've always refused to waste any money on them.

Good on you for the corrections bro.

@YedolfWesler

Жыл бұрын

Many people can't admit

@firstletterofthealphabet7308

Жыл бұрын

@@YedolfWesler A lot of people pride themselves on “sticking to their principles,” but then they start being stubborn and arrogant as well and stuff like what you say happens. Luckily at least I am starting to see some real change for the better in people in recent years.

I don’t usually sub to shorts channels but since you made a mistake and actually corrected it that deserves a sub.

@thatguyfish2488

Жыл бұрын

Same here

@biglar155

Жыл бұрын

Same.

@shmuckling

Жыл бұрын

Same

@JuristPugilist

Жыл бұрын

Wasn’t even a mistake he just made something up that he had no idea was correct. And then everyone in the comments called him an idiot.

@firstletterofthealphabet7308

Жыл бұрын

@@JuristPugilist A lot of people, especially internet goers, would still not admit fault. In the context of the internet, he does still stand out in a good way.

Imagine having to load 30 rounds, chamber a round and then defend yourself!

@thisismagacountry1318

7 ай бұрын

Don't forget the upside down magazine duct taped Nam style AND the 2 other dual mags inside your level 4 vest.

@barbarahazelwood2186

6 ай бұрын

That was my thought, exactly! What's the point in having it, if it's not ready to use!

@notsure1783

6 ай бұрын

@@thisismagacountry1318 I went straight to the 100 round drum mags, lot funner 🫡

@enchentez

5 ай бұрын

Ask Steven Willeford how that feels. I bet he NEVER goes along with that NRA "store your guns and unloaded mags and ammo separately" bullshit again, after having to load his mag while hearing his friends and neighbors die with every shot inside that church across the street from him.

@notsure1783

5 ай бұрын

@@enchentez no doubt

“Never store a mag loaded” *hears burglar enter home; opens box of 5.56 and starts loading three mags*

@joemama69448

6 ай бұрын

Three mags for one burglar, are you redoing the walls or something

It takes the better man to admit he he was wrong. You sir are that man. Stay humble brother.

Over 10 years loaded zero issues

The dust cover also appeared to push down the rounds, thereby reducing pressure on the feed lips.

@PitbullSoco

6 ай бұрын

They may not be able to CLAIM it reduces fatigue on the feed lips but by it pushing the top round down, it does in fact take all the pressure off of said lip

This is true. You can store AR/AK type mags loaded, no problem. WARNING, do not do this with Ruger 10/22 25 round mags! I have several that no longer feed because I left them loaded for too long, and the coiled "clock spring" in the Ruger Mags will lose tension over time.

PhD in Mechanical Engineering here. Wear occurs from use, not sitting static. In weak materials, creep can occur at lower temperatures, but that is definitely going to be the first thing an engineer thinks about when selecting a material. Springs and feed lips weaken due to the repeated stressing and relaxing that occurs from regular use, just like bending a piece of metal back and forth until it breaks. The repeated stress and relaxation (when less than yield strength) causes microscopic cracks to form and propagate whoch eventually lead to failure. But this doesn't happen under the static stress of a loaded magazine.

@ubermensch8627

Жыл бұрын

Patrick well said.

@ricosroughnecks1223

Жыл бұрын

Engineer or not you’re wrong regarding polymer magazines. There’s a reason they have dates on them. I had loaded pmags that were 7 years old that were never fired. 3 of the 4 magazines upon taking them out to shoot not only caused non stop feed issues, but the slightest bump would cause a volcano of rounds. These magazines were kept inside. While you’re assessment sounds great and comforting for those buying magazines it is not applicable to this product. That doesn’t mean they are bad magazines, it just means they have a shelf life used or not.

@ricosroughnecks1223

Жыл бұрын

Those circumstances you describe with temperature and stress will undoubtably reduce lifespan quicker but to claim that in a static environment with optimal temperature they will maintain their integrity over time… that’s false.

@DeadStawker

Жыл бұрын

​​@@ricosroughnecks1223 both aren't mutually exclusive. All polymers have a life span indeed. But within that Life span those that are used will indeed wear faster and all of them will go bad after their lifetime

@ricosroughnecks1223

Жыл бұрын

@@DeadStawker 100% agree. Additionally, the AR platform is dimensionally standardized within the mag well, you can only make the feed lips so thick using Magpul polymer. The truth of the matter is that the material too thin for the needed rigidity to withstand pressure for long term storage while fully loaded. This is why lancer uses reinforced feed lips or why some people just prefer steel mags. Again, I still like pmags for their weight, fitment, grip, and a variety of other factors. Let’s just not make pretend this product is something that it’s not. It doesn’t do anyone any favors.

Metal mags, we kept our metal mags full 24/7 in the army without any issues...

Cool to see your open the new ideas and realize your capable of being wrong. Ive worked in the industry for quite awhile as a gunsmith and let me tell you the number one issue is people parroting information that is either flat out wrong or is eventually repeated incorrectly. I see it on a daily basis, the internet is both a blessing and a major curse.

I RESPECT KZreadrs who can be humble, and say, "sorry, I made an error, let me fix this". I hate the ones who resort to excuses, technicalities, and even insults, when you point out their mistake. I will PROUDLY subscribe to anything you do in the future

I had 5 PMAGs (gen2's) loaded to 30, in the trunk of my Patrol car in the SE US for 8 years. The only time they got "unloaded" was when I used up my duty ammo for annual quals. Then immediately reloaded and back in the go-bag. Probably got up to 140-150F in the trunk during day shifts. Emptied them for the last time before I retired and zero issues. Handed them back into supply to be re-issued at the range for training use.

@user-us1dk6lh2r

7 ай бұрын

BASED and kudos brother. Videos like this with civilian "clowns" make me cringe!

@JA-oo9qp

7 ай бұрын

@@user-us1dk6lh2rAre you in the military?

@coltonriggan4072

7 ай бұрын

@@user-us1dk6lh2rnot all is civilians are dumb lmao just some get way to invested into shit

@Charles-wr8my

6 ай бұрын

The fact that Bro calls them "clips",not magazines,tells something

@texag22

6 ай бұрын

​@@Charles-wr8myhe's talking about the clips that go over the feed lips

It takes a big man to admit when he was wrong.

@captainjames4649

Жыл бұрын

no it doesn't that's just a normal thing

@robboss1839

Жыл бұрын

I just temporarily identify as a woman when I’m wrong

@HapaHeritage

Жыл бұрын

An even bigger one to make a public statement👍

@dubjubs

Жыл бұрын

​@@captainjames4649Should be a normal thing but it isn't anymore

@dcashio003

Жыл бұрын

*Donald Trump left the chat*

well explained, heard lots of people said the same thing too, from my understanding the word “wear” is misused. sitting still does not cause wear, they might be referring to feed lip deformation of a fully loaded pmag been store for extended period of time without the dust cover. i also owned few pmag and i think the dust cover do more than just just keeping dust out, in the video you can clearly see ammo been push down when put on the dust cover, but why? is not poor quality, is not poor fitment, is purposely designed to release tension from the feed lip when store loaded.

From the science perspective, a spring only wears out when it's being used. It doesn't matter what position it remains dormant in.

I treat gun advice videos like gym advice videos, with a grain of salt 😂

@dos_romeo4937

Жыл бұрын

Multiple deployments will tell you the mags work fine regardless of the cover on top or loaded to full

@305dade8a

11 ай бұрын

It's funny you say that because gun guys and gym guys come in a lot of the same flavors😂 Imy co-workers and I were talking about annoying gun guys and one of them goes. Yeah just like guys at the gym are like that.

@AlphanumericCharacters

11 ай бұрын

“Why storing your mags full are killing your gains bro!”

@deuslaudetur2451

11 ай бұрын

I've realized that if you listen to all gym and gun advice you find online the end result would be you'd never work out again and you'd sell your gun back to the gov

@SpaceRanger187

11 ай бұрын

saw a youtube video today telling people not to floss their teeth that it causes gum damage and cavities..Thats the internet for ya

I worked at a gun store for years. Widows would occasionally bring in their husband’s gun collections to get rid of them. Some of the magazines had been stored loaded since WWII or the Korean War. They always worked.

A pal inherited a WW2 .45 , wrapped in an oily rag in 1995. He went to a range, got a full cleaning. original ammo , mag spring and gun fired flawless .

That's exactly what the internet needs. Humbleness and accountability. Well played sir.

@SorenCicchini

Жыл бұрын

Humility is the word you were looking for.

My uncle gave me his WW2 M1 Carbine. And a full unopened 600 round spam can. And, twenty 15 round original mags all loaded in the 60’s. Not one failure among them.

@blackbetti

8 ай бұрын

Do you mean, a M1 Carbine or the gun he was issued in WW2?

@Buddygold9509

8 ай бұрын

@@blackbetti gun he was issued and carried. He bought the spam can of ammo in the 60’s. Said he paid $25 for it. No idea what that can of ammo is worth now.

Had a heated argument with my older brother who’s in the military about this sun Jeff and he called me crazy for leaving my mags loaded. I told him the gun doesn’t work if they’re not loaded. It’s the compression and decompression of the spring in the mags that cause malfunction. Keep your mags loaded

Can confirm, I'm buddies with magpuls vp, I asked him the other day about mag storage. No dust cover needed, and they were designed to be stored loaded for years

An empty gun is worthless.

@ceothirty

Жыл бұрын

useless*

@WayneTheSeine

Жыл бұрын

@@ceothirty Yes.....much better word.

@jpo1056

11 ай бұрын

You can throw it!

@jamesglavich1426

11 ай бұрын

So true, I can't imagine telling the bad guy to wait while load a magazine.

@Diskillfr

10 ай бұрын

you can beat people with it

I had magpul first gen magazines loaded for idk man 10 close 15 years, and they still work very well

@number4777.

Жыл бұрын

Me too.

@scottjohnson8576

Жыл бұрын

Because it’s a myth and people just won’t let it die.

@XxBigDAWG22xX

11 ай бұрын

@@scottjohnson8576I’ve had mags of several types stay loaded for years and never fails. I’ve also had those same types/brands of mags fail in the same time frame. (BUT) not a single time has it been due to feed lips but actually spring failure. I’ve had them break or just lose their rebound because the memory in the steel itself starts to become more natural in its compressed state. Typically on those it would feed part or most of a mag and just have a feed failure around 4-5 rounds left. I think it solely comes down to what grade steel was really used in the spring. I also will say it’s been far less that have failed than those that didn’t. But I have always stored my loaded mags at 20rds since and never had a single failure in recent years.

This dude is awesome. I wish I could admit my mistakes like this guy did.

Clips are for your hair, Mags are for your guns.

You’re good brother, what’s important is that you admitted your faults on even such an insignificant mistake

@RobRoyR8R

11 ай бұрын

It's not insignificant. Don't you want to be able to rely on you last two or three rounds? You were dumb for even listening.

I honestly didn't even know they had dust covers for magazines, that's pretty cool The fact that you released a public retraction/correction is even cooler. Takes a big man to admit you were wrong, especially publicly. On the bright side, that shows you're reliable. I'mma subscribe :D

Keep in mind extreme heat like here in AZ isn't good for fully loaded polymer mags in vehicles, it hit over 180 degrees in my truck this summer in the sun....

If you store a loaded mag it will be utterly fine for decades. the biggest factor for concern is preventing humidity from corroding the metal or roughing the surfaces. another helpful tip is load them minus 1 round for a pistol or minus 2 rounds for a rifle to reduce tension of the spring. I have several mags I have left loaded for decades. some surplus mags and others brand new in their day. all of them work fine and a new spring is like five dollars.

I bet they wished I didn’t store my mags loaded. My guns are for Emergency purposes.

I wish they covered springs in high school physics. It would end a lot of these discussions. Springs get worn out from compressing AND decompressing. The cycle is what wears them out. You can store mags loaded or unloaded for years. Either way, there is still tension on them because the springs' relaxed state is actually taller than the magazine.

@miltechmoto

Жыл бұрын

Except in this case(magpul) it was not about the springs, it was about the plastic feed lips bowing outward in high heat environments over long periods of time. Possibly even room temp environments.

@dos_romeo4937

Жыл бұрын

@@miltechmoto never had issues with multiple deployments. I have have used the same mags over and over again since 2010 and not one of them had these issues. Extremely hot or cold climate, dust covers or not, not an issue on springs or feed lips. I have seen the wear issue on the feed lips from people loading improperly

@miltechmoto

Жыл бұрын

@@dos_romeo4937 2010? so like gen 2 mags? how about storage in enclosed vehicles? and how long were they stored?

@cumshot247

Жыл бұрын

The only feed lips I've seen worn out were my last date's. 😏

I contacted Magpul tech support and asked about storing loaded magazines... Magpul told me they have stored full magazines for 7 1/2 years with NO bad effects.. Magpul tech stated the only thing that wears down the spring , is using it.. A fully compressed spring retains the factory tension just like an empty magazine , even when compressed for years..The ONLY thing that weakens the spring , is using it..and the metal they use should last for thousands of full compression/full release cycles.

Imagine having to defend your country while loading your magazines

What a boss! Owning up and fixing the story! This guy should be on the news!

@titusdaniel

11 ай бұрын

I agree, but it doesn't seem to be stopping all the people who still seem to think they need to offer corrections and explanations in response to his correction.

@Kp08og

11 ай бұрын

@@titusdaniel that’s people for you though, bunch of negative energy

Takes a man to admit when he was wrong. Respect.

I believe colt has many loaded clips from 1930s and will occasionally pull one and function test it,without problems.

It all made sense after “clip”

Admitting when you are wrong is the first step to learning. Hell yeah dude.

The clips on the pmags also allow you to transport them on planes while loaded. Normally your ammunition has to be separate from mags and the gun. But with the top clip on the mag, the mag is considered the box for the ammunition, making it legal to fly with.

@DiBaccoDetails

Жыл бұрын

you have a source for this?

@Tarumarugan

Жыл бұрын

Good to know. I would probably still take out the ammo just to be safe though.

@tjlures

Жыл бұрын

@@DiBaccoDetails na just experience, feel free to Google though

@tjlures

Жыл бұрын

I think it was an old James Yeager video from back in the day that taught me that. Would highly recommend taking the tactical response class "the fight" for all who read this. It's the best class out there for conceal and carry

@Deathbomb9

Жыл бұрын

​@@tjlures you say it's from back in the day, so I'm curious if that's still the case to this day. But, then again, this does sound accurate for TSA and FAA regs and the US government being so behind on some things and completely not thinking on others.

EVERYONE makes mistakes, so props to this content creator for being a man and admitting when he was wrong. *Note - I, on the other hand, am never wrong. I once thought i was wrong, but i was mistaken.

I heard a Magpul rep say very early mags had issues with this and the cover did in fact keep the lips from spreading. Fixed on newer mags.

Magpul is right, their feed lips and springs won't wear out. But I worked as a security contractor and we swapped over from USGI aluminum mags to PMags. After 6 months I inspected all of the mags we had issued to personnel and those staged at fighting positions. Not including our training mags, out of 450 mags which were kept loaded the whole time and not cycled by using at the range for training, I found over 50 mags that were split along the center of the back of the magazine. All the magazines were bought at the same time so possibly it was a defective batch, but none of my personal mags have split which I've kept loaded for the past 10 years, with the covers installed. I don't know how anyone can say the dust covers don't take pressure off the feed lips when you can see them push the rounds down off the feed lips when installed! Yes, they keep dust and debris out of the magazine, but it also takes pressure off the feed lips.

@michaelweeks7997

8 ай бұрын

Man I got into it on FB with "the guy who designed them" about this whole thing. He said it was a load of shit and I pretty much regurgitated what you did and he said I was a liar and I told him he was ignorant.

@johnjones2341

8 ай бұрын

One day, we'll all be able to unload our mags and breathe easy.

@toiletpaper5770

8 ай бұрын

Those dust covers also keep your spare mag from allowing the top round to drift (from recoil) when stacked and used with, say, a Magpul mag connector

@user-us1dk6lh2r

7 ай бұрын

You mean the milspec ones I've had stored in my cabinet since I lfet the Corps post Desert Storm??? Shits-giggles ran a few of them through my AR with ZERO ISSUES. These internet arseclown wanna be's drive me nuts. @@johnjones2341

@16vt

6 ай бұрын

I've got over 500 UTM mags witch are very similar to gen2 Pmags but blue, this is consistent with how they fail as well, they'll start with a small crack and eventually the lips spread (nice) enough that the mag gets barely bumped and just dumps it's load out (nice) At the risk of sounding fudd, technically it's apples to oranges as a UTM mag isn't a P mag but because of this, I'm a believer in 28rds on polymer mags without spring steel lips. Do what you want obviously but -2rds is cheap and easy insurance.

mag pull says the clip is used to keep pressure off the feed lips as well.

Don’t care what anyone says. I keep all my mags loaded. And if they wear out which I know they DON’T, I’ll just buy new ones

"Don't store your mags loaded!" yeah, okay fed.

A mag will not wear from loaded storage it is a spring and a follower ...repaeted loading and unloading is what causes spring wear just like the springs on your car they won't ever go bad with 4000 lbs sitting on them its the repeated expanding an contracting of the spring that causes failure ... same for any spring incuding your gun mags

@XxBigDAWG22xX

11 ай бұрын

That’s theory isn’t completely correct because the springs in your vehicle well 99% of vehicles use struts and are nitrogen filled. Even vehicles with coil overs now are not load bearing on the springs at dead weight. A compressed spring basically slowly starts to bend over time. So slowly depending on the type of steel and it’s hardness, thickness and how much energy it’s holding. Are you storing it in a gun and a round chambered so it’s really at 29 rounds? Are you Storing it’s at 30 or crammed at 31. Yes I’ve seen that done more than once. Everything makes a difference. Repeatedly loading and unloading is increasing wear through use and does promote faster wear. But that doesn’t mean a loaded mag doesn’t take on wear either.

@btdtalso

10 ай бұрын

​@@XxBigDAWG22xXWhen it comes to automotive suspension, you have no idea what you are talking about. Take the springs off a coil-over, and the vehicle will sit at full travel on the bump-stops. The nitrogen in shock absorbers is there to prevent cavitation and aeration of the shock oil. The increased internal pressure also raises the boiling point of the shock oil.

@XxBigDAWG22xX

10 ай бұрын

@@btdtalso I mean my truck only has nitrogen shocks. My four wheeler suspension will sit on the floor of their isn’t nitrogen in it. My post driver will not fire without nitrogen. I work with nitrogen everyday. You don’t have a clue what your talking about. They work in conjunction but nitrogen is the biggest contributor

@XxBigDAWG22xX

10 ай бұрын

@@btdtalso also note we are taking a 1/32” spring not a 1/2” spring

@btdtalso

10 ай бұрын

@XxBigDAWG22xX I've been working on race cars, motorcycles, and just about every type of vehicle there is for over 50 years. The nitrogen in automotive shocks, struts, and coil-overs is there to prevent cavitation/aeration of the shock oil, and to raise the boiling point of the shock oil. Yes, there are "springless" nitrogen-filled "gas pressure shocks" on the market, but you will not find them on any stock automotive suspension. If you can point out any conventional automobile or truck that DOES NOT use springs as the primary load-bearing component of the suspension, I'll listen... otherwise, I'm not buying it.

The way mag springs are coiled is designed so that the spring can be fully compressed with out reaching anywhere near its point of yield. That is the point in which you bend a metal past the point where it will return to its original shape. Look up the stress strain curve, elasticity vs plasticity, and yielding. This is why those springs use a box shaped coil, utilize as much length as they can between loops, and many loops over a long distance. It's to maintain elasticity over long periods of storage under compression. The thing you have to worry more about is your feed lips on cheap mags deforming from the pressure. Had that happen to some cheap aluminum mags over some years. Buy steel or polymer they're better. You get what you buy.

If you are concerned about the spring, store it loaded partially.

“I’ve done a lot of research” *proceeds to call a mag a clip*

I ended the video the moment you called it a clip. 😂🤣🤦🏼‍♂️

@caged3249

11 ай бұрын

He was referring to the clip-on "dust cover" you put over the top of the mag, not the mag itself

@ethanking4954

10 ай бұрын

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@ScottTheMarine

9 ай бұрын

@@caged3249of course he couldn't get that because he ended the video. At least he took the time to comment and let us know he didn't watch it. LOL! The fact that the guy called it a magazine before he referred to the clip on cover shows not only did he not watch it but he's not smart enough to figure things out.

Springs just don’t wear out like that, it’s the repeated compression that wears them out

@ErrorInvalidName

Жыл бұрын

Exactly to many are all over the place with this silliness.

@wolf-ls7jx

Жыл бұрын

They can take a set tho, and may not feed well when getting down on rounds in the mag. Not a big deal, just give them a stretch.

@Don_Kee

Жыл бұрын

The theory is that with pmags, since they're plastic, it warps your feed lips from the constant pressure. Just Google "pmag feed lip".

@Dead_Again1313

Жыл бұрын

​@@wolf-ls7jx Saw a guy stretch his springs put for his mags in Iraq back in 2007. It caused them all to malfunction when he next used them. They were the GI mags that the Corps issued us. Anyway, that idea backfired on him.

@wolf-ls7jx

Жыл бұрын

@@Dead_Again1313 depends on the application. If I leave my pistol mags loaded for a few weeks they hang up and they are Sig Sauer factory mags. That's why I rotate mags. Springs will weaken when compressed for long periods. Some mags I load half and that doesn't seem to affect them. It's when they're fully compressed that they take a set, especially shotgun mag tube springs.

A real man admits his mistakes. Much respect to you.

You are not the first person to proliferate this misinformation. Good on you for thinking critically, finding out for yourself, and correcting your mistake.

Springs are springs. As long as you don't over extend them, they work just fine. Your cars suspension uses springs, and even after hundreds of thousands of miles and constant load cycling, they still bounce back

@08HR350z

10 ай бұрын

Usually after 100k (150k is pushing it) you need new shocks and struts. Obviously every car and driving habits affect the life cycle of them and there’s always going to be the few who differentiate between the common.

@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830

7 ай бұрын

@@08HR350zwhat the hell do shocks or struts have to do with talking about springs? The shock or strut cartridge is what wears, an average vehicle will never need new springs.

@08HR350z

7 ай бұрын

@@throbbinwoodofcoxley6830 Uhh not sure what happened but my comment was posted on a car video not sure how it got on here 😂

Dude admitted he was wrong and through shade at others who were wrong😂. What a legend.

@michaelcunningham8273

Жыл бұрын

Throws not thorough⁵⁵

I only load 5 rounds in a 30rd magazine. It makes it incredibly more easy to press the bolt release. It's also less pressure on the magazine spring so you don't gouge the bottom of the bolt carrier with the brass. I've been doing this for years, and I know it works because my Red Dot has never lost 'zero'...

I was told to store a loaded clip with one shell less than capacity. It's pouring your ammo into an ammo box that is bad. It corrupts the casings.Ammo differs also crappy ammo rolls out of the gun. Good ammo flies out.

Only a true man admits he was wrong.

@thomasgodfrey2014

Жыл бұрын

Man is always wrong if he’s standing in the near vicinity of a damn woman!

@apexedgesharpening2005

Жыл бұрын

@@thomasgodfrey2014 you are either right, or you’re the husband!!

@thomasgodfrey2014

Жыл бұрын

Both.

@Commodore22345

Жыл бұрын

Does a true man also disable the dislike button while keeping the like button enabled, thus shielding himself from any negative opinions? Not that I disliked the video, I just find it extremely cowardly when any content creator either disables dislikes, disables comments or deletes comments they don't like.

@apexedgesharpening2005

Жыл бұрын

@@Commodore22345 you’re an idiot. You can’t just disable likes. That’s how it is now.

Mad respect for correcting yourself. I wish more people with an audience did that. It’s impossible to be 100% accurate but it is possible to be 100% honest. Salute bro

Fudd lore defeated.

The science of springs is concrete at this point. We use them in almost every mechanical design. A spring fully compressed does not wear faster than one without tension. The only way it could possibly do so is if you heat the metal or introduce it to other stresses such as water or corrosive substances. Primarily just heat though. So store your LOADED magazines in a cool dry dark place and they'll be fine. An unloaded magazine is worthless and you're going to end up dead when you need it most. What will wear them out is constant duty cycles (loading and unloading them). So if you're unloading your mags every night you will eventually lose tension. In fact what generally kills the tension in a spring from duty cycles is... say it with me HEAT. Because cycles induce heat. Have you ever broken a piece of metal (say a coat hanger) by bending it back and forth? Notice how it heats up at the stress point? It can even burn you. Also if you don't break it notice how the metal isn't as rigid even after cooling in some cases (depending on alloy composition) and it is less likely to return to its original form (plastic vs elastic deformation). If constant tension broke springs you couldn't have recoil springs in a firearm since they are constantly under tension while sitting doing nothing. You couldn't have garage doors (tracks die first due to tension from cycles, not the springs) or shocks. You couldn't have most modern mechanical marvels without easily deduced spring duty life and understanding the strain when compressed. The only strain on the spring while compressed is the initial compression, not staying at that state for an extended period. Springs are designed to not undergo plastic deformation while at their max load (where the spring is fully compressed) via an easily calculated equation (unless the spring is designed by a literal jackass and you shouldn't be buying products from jackasses). Energy doesn't come out from a worm hole to heat up and destroy your springs while you sleep at night in your loaded magazine. I have 25 fully loaded PMAGs that are a little over 13 years old and 14 steel GI STANAG mags from the Vietnam era inherited from my elderly father. All of them have only ever been in a fully loaded state, except when I shoot them/reload them/clean them (and my dad did the same when he owned them). They all work as good as the day I got them because I store them in a cool dry place, clean them occasionally and lubricate/protect them. I do have some poorly made Korean magazines though that have failed not because of being loaded but because no amount of engineering time went into their spring design, it is just an inferior product. There are other things to consider if you're psychotically unloading and reloading your magazines everyday like a neurotic lunatic. Can you guess what that is? Moisture ingress and corrosion. Believe it or not your skin is a living organ that secrets fatty oils that are mildly corrosive to many materials. Getting your greasy mitts all over exposed brass will cause corrosion on the case W(which could lead to an explosion and you don't want that) and moisture ingress into the primer (which means your gun won't go bang when you need it! why do you think high quality defensive ammo is nickle plated? Because they know you guys are going to be handling them frequently without shooting them, which is also why the primers are lacquered and the seat of the bullet by the neck is crimped and annealed). If you're still not convinced I'll get into the literal science of spring cycles, plastic-vs-elastic deformation and more in a reply. Even provide you with formulas and and understanding of them. TL;DR this is Fudd-lore and the internet is forever. Don't be a fool on the internet for your own sake. Don't be the butt of a joke for the amusement of others. Just trust your average mechanical engineer or even a high-school student with a moderate education in such things (this is part of common curriculum in American high-school).

@user-rr2vl9qv7j

5 ай бұрын

You kinda sound like a know it all asshole. Bro. I like that. I'm going to subscribe in case you make anything

Credibility restored! A man of integrity will always own his mistakes. Well done!

Clear-eyed honesty got you another sub.

Major respect for owning up to a mistake, humility is worth more than gold these days. Subbed.

The best part is acknowledging you're wrong and then misspelling words in the captions of the new vid. lol

Imagine someone breaks in your home and you gotta sit there and fill the mag.

Sure that is why this dust cover pushes the round down so it takes pressure off the feed lips.

Bro, I was one of the guys who called you out and got into quite an argument or 6 in the comments. Mighty great of you to come back and correct the record. Much respect. For everyone who doubted me: I took names. I will remember. I am coming for you.

@user-kv3ut6pv4b

Жыл бұрын

Easy there big guy ... just take the W an drive on

@J_Madison

Жыл бұрын

@@user-kv3ut6pv4b I am proud of the author, but I want unarmed combat with every needle d*ck that questioned me in the comments. I will not stop until I achieve total domination.

@franciscomagallon3364

Жыл бұрын

Ain't no one give a fuck💀

@chunky671

Жыл бұрын

Get em all. Spreading misinformation got us here in the first place

@screamingwarhog

Жыл бұрын

New gun owners should not try to teach others when they dont know them selves....come back when you know what your talking about or s.t.f.u

You can store metal mags for years without issues. I moved away from the plastic mags for long term storage when full.

Again number 1 rule of gun law safety treat every weapon as if it's loaded even if it isn't that's how you prevent accidental life changing mistakes

It's not the stress that wears the mags out, it's the fatigue from use

@zchris87v80

Жыл бұрын

This is basic mechanics of materials. The de Haviland Comet is a great example that static loads do not equate to dynamic loads.

@stevebean1234

Жыл бұрын

Springs absolutely weaken from creep. Many springs fail because of this. If you have no other design constraints, typically you can engineer a spring that will minimize creep. The deHaviland Comet failed because of an exceptionally poor window design that caused cracking with fatigue loading via cabin compression cycles. It is not a fatigue versus creep discussion - or have you just missed that airplanes haven’t been falling out of the skies the past 80 years due to explosive decompression?

@zchris87v80

Жыл бұрын

@@stevebean1234 the amount creep will contribute to a failure to feed a round in a standard magazine is pretty minimal. Hell, I've never even used any enough to have the issue (also, according to politicians, once you use them all once, there will be none left). As for the Comet, it was airframe stress. Similar issues in aviation arose under vertical fatigue of the wings. Though they could withstand large static loads, designers apparently never disassembled paperclips as kids.

@nathanielbowers6215

Жыл бұрын

@@stevebean1234 springs weaken from creep when magazines are poorly designed. A properly designed magazine will prevent the spring from being deformed into the plastic region and will instead keep the sping in the elastic region. If this is done properly there will be no recognizable creep in the magazine

@user-nv1gm2zj7y

11 ай бұрын

@@zchris87v80 yes minimal but its there annnd yes those springs have been engineered to take more beating.. but to say it doesnt creep is ...........

Already deserves more subs than half the channels on KZread because he admitted he was wrong. Props G 🤙🏼

@bh848

Жыл бұрын

very true. but also why get on and confidently say shit that's wrong to begin with? Just makes you look foolish. Especially when it has to do with firearms of all things. If you wanna be wrong and it not matter, be wrong about how long to microwave a hot pocket. But now days everyone is a master at their hobby cause thyme been in it 6 months. fuckin KZread

The clips can also be used to store a mag in the same bag or compartment as your rifle and still be legal for transport without a concealed permit because its considered a different container

@johnniewasr5740

6 ай бұрын

As long as a fully loaded magazine isn’t attached or inserted into the rifle it is absolutely fine being in the same container as the rifle even without the dust cover. Even in Kommifornistan.

Lol I like how AK mags don’t have dust covers. “I don’t care if they’re covered in dirt, sand or mud.. they will cycle comrade!”

Have to respect anyone that is capable of correcting themselves. especially publicly. Props

Dude, you’re cool. Admitting when you’re wrong and issuing redactions. Thank you. Subbed. ❤

Well managed, brother. Good to see an uploader who doesn't let their pride and ego get in the way of public self-reflection. I had a few older Magpul magazines that have been full for years that I've neglected, and recently took them to the range to clear em out the fun way. They're great products that work like a charm!

Now I sure as heck wouldn’t store any steel surplus mags fully loaded! I did once and the spring never recovered no matter how much it was stretched.

Nobody is correct all the time. It’s being able to admit when you are wrong and learning from the experience that separates you from others. Well done.

The dust cover still helps save wear because it pushes down the rounds so theyre not up against the feed lips in storage.

@alexsakon

6 ай бұрын

No the point is that makes no difference.

Its kind of impressive that the engine lasted as long as it did without catastrophic failure despite how it was built.

I new this when i was 15 when my uncle told me. Now they make videos about it. 😂😂.