KH stands for Klein + Hummel, the company that used to make these monitors before Sennheiser did the rebranding

@_innerscape_

3 жыл бұрын

Yep! I was about to write it. The KH310 are the new version (looks almost the same but many technical improvements) of the K+H O300, and the KH120 are the new K+H O110.

@PO-nb8qc

Жыл бұрын

I heard all the KH sounds very similar. If one does not like KH80, he would not like KH310. It just has more bass and can play louder. KH80+KH750 sound almost the same as KH310 based on many reviews.

@drdelewded

Жыл бұрын

@@PO-nb8qc I have to disagree.. After we replaced the 120s in our atmos suite with 310s there was a marked improvement in clarity.. granted, the 120s are amazing. Also the 80s we have in our VO and radio Suites are just not on par with the 120s.. (We have KH810 subs in all our rooms)

Clicked on a speaker review. Found a man of culture.

I cant say anything bad about you my friend. You always make my day. You are just the person i want to listen to when i want a product review.

In Germany, these are €30 cheaper than the ILouds... Did you test where the iLouds are chuffing now as you said in their review?

Huh... Flat and neutral is the way to go if you want to hear what the artists actually sounded like in the studio or live... if flat and neutral is dull and boring, it just means the music you're listening to is dull and boring.

@stevenswall

4 жыл бұрын

Agreed. Or your room needs correction. The Genelec 8260 is the speaker I can't wait to go home to, and it's made to be as flat as possible.

@RustOnTime

4 жыл бұрын

There's no such thing as hearing what an artist actually sounded like. Even in the studio there has been massive EQ on everything, every microphone, every instrument. It's an idea audiophiles love to chase but doesn't exist. Just make your speakers sound the best they can (definitely not dull) to your ears in your room

@LeDechaine

4 жыл бұрын

@@RustOnTime Above all I'm against the idea that flat and neutral means dull and boring. It means everything recorded live with a (flat and neutral) microphone will sound dull and boring when you listen to it again. It makes no sense. Music is not "dull and boring unless you EQ everything". Speakers are not "dull and boring unless their frequency response graph is a rollercoaster". Truth and naturalness are the opposite of dull and boring.

Just the video I needed! I love Zeos…let me get u a cup of tea..

Neumann speakers are awesome. The neutral and very precise sound profile, the high build quality - expensive, but worth every penny. The bigger models are actually an excellent choice for a fully active home cinema setup. Neumann and Genelec are the studio kings.

@antitainer3761

4 жыл бұрын

@Righteous Evil Genelec Owner here: Got a 8330 Setup and to my ears and in my room, they are definitely the opposite of dull. Some might even argue, that they are a little bit too good sounding for a monitor - But they are a staple in the studio and broadcast studio, so who am I to judge. For Hifi they are crystal clear and engaging and I had to put them on -2db for the highs, because for my ears and room it was just a tiny bit too much. Are the KH80/KH120 better or worse? I would argue, that this is a very subjective thing. Both are equally competent and both have a different sound, but especially the KH120 and the 8330 are in the same league. Finland VS Germany - I opted for Finland (as a german) I listened quite a few times to Yamaha HS7 and HS8 and for the price, they are damn fine but also a bit too harsh and aggressive in comparison. Still highly recommended speaker and I've seen quite a few of them in home studios and smaller production companies, because they are very budget friendly and well made, but to my ears not on the same level as Neumann or Genelec, which is, once again, highly subjective. (Maybe except for the build quality - Neumann and Genelec really are top tier with their full metal housing and proven durability) I've heard Adams, but it's been a while and I really can't compare.

@Gamez4eveR

Жыл бұрын

@@antitainer3761 the general consensus about Genelec vs Neumann is that Genelec are state of the art technology trailblazers, while Neumann are absolutely top of the line and considerably more careful with tech. It is quite a challenge to find drivers as good as those used by Neumann monitors

@antitainer3761

Жыл бұрын

@@Gamez4eveR Big selling points for me about the Genelecs were: Easy 2.1 Setup and grills to protect the drivers from kids. I have not the slightest doubt about the overall quality of Neumann's; maybe the look is a bit too utalitarian in comparison, but that's, once again, highly subjective.

@Gamez4eveR

Жыл бұрын

@@antitainer3761 they are both excellent speaker manufacturers, just slightly different philosophies is all

Yay, Neumann speakers😁

@luxpiotr

3 жыл бұрын

FLAT and NEUTRAL

loved your camera setup. May I know what is your's?

These are very similar to ADAM A3X, woofer size wise. And bass reflex wise.

"Hello, Neumann..."

How do they compare to the Adam A3X?

Mr Robot is amazing! I'm watching it now. What are the MTMs that you use? What model

Oh fuck me lol! "The Reich knows how to make a switch." Made my day man.

And these Neumann vs the genelecs co axial,,,how much a difference ?

Are they nice to listen to for hi-fi?

I need to buff these lol. Sounds like my OCD😅

Pro tip--the camera does not work like the human eye. Shooting video that darts around like your eyes does not make the experience more realistic. It makes the viewer want to hurl.

What do you mean by "I feel this tweeter [of the MTMs] more"? Is it stronger or better?

@ZReviews

4 жыл бұрын

I liked what it did. I was feeling it.

@KALTBLUTWOLF1

4 жыл бұрын

@@ZReviews So, are the MTMs good for pleasure listening paired with a sub?

@clickbaitpro

4 жыл бұрын

@@KALTBLUTWOLF1 Totally

@KALTBLUTWOLF1

4 жыл бұрын

@@clickbaitpro Thanks, I think I will get them then...

Thoughts on mid range?

KH 120 next

Mtm for mastering isn’t good?

I need major help! I have narrowed my choices down to the Neumann KH120 or Mackies HR824 MK2 as I am saving hard to get either of these speakers. I like EDM and Hip Hop mainly! Which speakers will suit my needs?

@jasonhardy142

3 жыл бұрын

@@justinbennitt835 Thanks for you feedback, my studio space is 2m x 3m too. I guess the Kh80 be more appropriate. I just thought the kH120 would suit as they have good sound at low volume.

what stands are those?

LOL i love the "flat and neutral" bit

where can i get those speakers stands?

All I want to know is did he at least switch the DAC out, did he try running them off of a tube, or anything else. Because if the speaker are flat and neutral then the issue becomes what are you feeding them. I love design and ingenuity these speakers employ. I also wonder how they compare to the JBL studio monitors.

@stevenswall

4 жыл бұрын

A lot less hiss.

You consider reviewing the polk owm5's? I saw your review on the 3's, but I'm curious what you think of the big brother?

Does anyone know the track at 7:10 minutes?

as someone who makes his money producing and mixing music, between these and the a5x what did you like more? or something else? i currently have mackie hr624s. and some fucking rock and roll jbl 4311b that LOVE loud. i love these reviews. thank you!

Hello Z, i am a micro house producer looking for a mobile studio setup, which speaker handles low and a kick drums louder? The KH80 or MTMS?

@rensback

4 жыл бұрын

Traian Cherecheș Hi, the MTMs are known to have a bass problem when you start pushing volume up. I would go for the KH if you want loud, reliable bass.

@sub-jec-tiv

3 жыл бұрын

Yamahas & a sub 👍

I hope Neumann eventually releases an App for Andriod. BTW, this is what they claim about their mathmatical waveguide: The perfect sound of higher mathematics at work The Neumann developers know every nuance, every angle and every wave reflection of the KH 80 DSP. It sounds so pure because they are directing every sound wave so precisely. The KH 80 DSP’s design is based on computer simulations that calculate with a level of accuracy that no one other than Neumann does. The Mathematical Modeled Dispersion Waveguide (MMD™) provides the studio series with a solid base for precise sound direction that remains unique. Maths has never sounded so good.

thats also genelec 8030 price :D

i sadly went through 3 pairs of the MTM and could not get the room correction to work reliably.

@ZReviews

4 жыл бұрын

That sucks. I never had them blink red and fail. Did you try both mics?

@kamilkashaf2766

4 жыл бұрын

Return them and get the Neumanns. Thank me later.

@vse0

4 жыл бұрын

@@kamilkashaf2766 i ended up returning them and went Balls Out and got Dynaudio Core 59's !!

@antonkokic

4 жыл бұрын

@@vse0 that's full mega ultra balls out xd worth it?

@vse0

4 жыл бұрын

@@antonkokic in a word, YES> dynamics, bass and FUN! high end is incredible, if you like soft domes, and the Dyn Esotars are the best! try the BM 5MKIII as well. amazing 2 ways!

What speaker would you recommend for fun listending (already have a sub) in this price range?

@edwgillespie

4 жыл бұрын

600M

@KALTBLUTWOLF1

4 жыл бұрын

@@edwgillespie Klipsch?

@edwgillespie

4 жыл бұрын

@@KALTBLUTWOLF1 yes...in my opinion

@KALTBLUTWOLF1

4 жыл бұрын

@@edwgillespie Those are indeed one of the two I am having an eye on. The other one was the MTMs mentioned in this video. What do you have to compare them to? And what AMP would you recommend that is powerful enough to not hold them back?

@edwgillespie

4 жыл бұрын

@@KALTBLUTWOLF1 I asked the same question on zeos' review of these speakers. The community had several good ideas. Also worth considering are the dirty weekends. There was also another powered monitor that was in my list, unfortunately I cannot remember at the moment.

Glad you reviewed these. I chose the KH120A (non digital versions), they don't use the digital microphone room EQ profiling of the KH80's, though as the KH120's have a larger bass driver they extend further - and certainly have more volume. It is a valid comparison - the KH80's and the iLouds MTM's you point to due to this digital room profiling, I have the iLouds, though for studio use it's the KH120A all the way, no question. Back to studio headphones, Yamaha HPH-MT5, do a review man!! They beat my DT 1990 Pro's hands down - and the MT5's can be driven harder without distortion. Like every headphone they are not perfect but whatever faults you might find, overall they are the fullest, tightest, fastest, non-fatiguing studio headphones out there, yes even if you are paying $1000's, they just don't complain - even if I throw them on my desk or punch insane volumes through them.

Not sure if I should go with these or the 120s

@Rizamusic

3 жыл бұрын

@@Thisiskaerson I went with the 120s and used them for a few months! Loved them but I ultimately settled on the Focal Shape Twins as I needed more low end information for my productions. Knowing what I know now, I’d actually rather go for the Genelec 8030s or 8020s if I wanted smaller monitors again

@plompudu2529

Жыл бұрын

​@@Rizamusicat what volume do you Listen and did you ever notice distortion?

I wish smsl woud do m500 sized monoblocks with vu meters, in my opinion that would be pure audio porn....

It's a studio monitor dude. It's suppose to be flat and not enjoyable! This is a every day driver NOT a sunday ride!

Tripod Brother. Motion sickness. Dizzy. Thanks tho. Otherwise digging it.

@ZReviews

Жыл бұрын

It takes some getting use to. Usually watch in a smaller window or jump to more modern videos with stabilization.

Get them on thomann

His voice sounds like an hollywood actor "Vince Vaughn".

Zeos, you now HAVE to review the Neumann KH 310 A. It's the pinnacle of Neumann Speakers. But they are like 2000$ per side.

@drdelewded

Жыл бұрын

KH420s ;)

FYI, "flat and neutral" is how all speakers should be designed. For all the spice, excitement and character you should get an EQUALIZER aka tone controls. Unfortunately there is almost nothing that has good tone controls and great DAC at the same time. Perhaps using a small mixing desk?

@clickbaitpro

4 жыл бұрын

Exactly! I bought Mackie studio monitors, they are fairly flat but I bump up the bass for pleasure 😁

@automachinehead

3 жыл бұрын

lol. Newbies saying flat and neutral. The only time you'll be able to achieve that is when you build your own speakers. I did and now every god damned commercial speakers from Swan to Kef to Revel to Tannoy (except the Westminster Royal) sound every bit disgusting. It took me close to 8 months to correct its response which took 12db of its raw spl as sacrifice to get that very dry and linear flat down to 41hz sound. It's still 91db @ 4ohms.

@clickbaitpro

3 жыл бұрын

@@automachinehead Not everyone have time to do that kind of sht and these are studio monitors so you can't argue about the neutrality and the only way to achieve flat and neutral sound is by treating room and adding bass traps in the corners instead of wasting time in building speakers because every producer uses studio monitors and these are fairly common in studios

@automachinehead

3 жыл бұрын

@@clickbaitpro lol treating room is all but a scam unless you cover your entire walls including the ceiling and floor with at least 6" thick fabric. Or listen near field like .5m away from speakers so that you can ignore 1st reflections. that's just a sad and depressing way of listening to your favorite music you downloaded/streamed online ain't it? why don't people just use headphones then if they want hi-fi without worrying in-room response

@ilpatongi

2 жыл бұрын

@@automachinehead You just destroyed your credibility by saying that “room treatment is a scam” Yeah sure.

Someone send this man some ATC speakers :D

@mathieufleury6787

3 жыл бұрын

it would blow his mind

@TooliusTech

3 жыл бұрын

@@mathieufleury6787 agreeed !!!

@PO-nb8qc

Жыл бұрын

Try ME Geithain RL944. They are studio reference monitors and they are made in Germany too. Based on many reviews, they sound more “musically”. They are highly regard in Germany and Professional around the world.

I've owned KH-120's for almost 4 years now. It's actually fucking mind blowing how much oomf they have for their size. With proper acoustic treatment even in an 11x25 room they're incredible. Absolutely blow most of the competition out of the water. Now there's a serious lack of anything under 55ish-hz, but that's perfectly okay. KH-120's are a 5.25" Speaker, they're not supposed to go that low. I plan on buying the Neumann KH-750 sub soon to get even better bass response.

@cl2nden1st89

4 жыл бұрын

FreedomTV Official I really do think adding a bass module improves the mids even further. Also, you are still missing all that chest thump/kick without a sub: kzread.info/dash/bejne/c5qtk5Kvn8abm8Y.html The KH80 don’t fake whatever is below their cut-off frequency, thus it is imperative to use a sub with those whenever possible. Probably the main reason why they don’t impress some folks.

Setting up the DSP requires the speakers have a wired Ethernet connection, so the "extra box" would be an Ethernet hub, which most people will already have (assuming they have 2 free ports). I can only guess they opted for wired Ethernet to avoid any kind of radio transmitter noise, but I would have preferred they use bluetooth to avoid all of the extra wiring just for set-up. The KH80s replaced my gigantic Electro-Voice Sentry 1As from the late 1970s. Incredibly, the KH80s sound exactly like the much larger studio reference monitors, even on the low frequencies. The only difference is the Sentry 1As had huge magnets that only required about 40w to drive two speakers from an external amplifier while the KH80s require as much as 240w to push as much air, but that's just the law of physics I guess. I would echo that they require very little adjustment so you could very likely live with just the set-up on the toggle switches.

You should review the Tekton Mini Lore speakers. $575 delivered. 8" woofer mid-towers.

i own a pair and it's the best thing in the universe

Ja Neumann ist echt nice aber auch echt teuer!

I agree with Pasta, I don’t really care for the looks of these speakers. They remind me of a 90s boombox, especially in black.e

@djentlover

4 жыл бұрын

I think they're beautiful

Now review the kh120

@johannes0806

3 жыл бұрын

I agree, I would love to see a review with the fine quality and depth/detail Z is providing! I love his channel and recently got the Neumann KH120A for myself, they are handsdown the best speakers I've ever had and would love to hear Z's oppinion about them and how they compare to other speakers, like the JBL305 for example. I plan on getting the Adam Sub8 to extend the low end and to take some of the work of the Neumann's. They got superb clarity and imaging, makes producing and mixing very easy in a nearfield setup.

@geminifreestyle3697

3 жыл бұрын

@@johannes0806 i think i just blew out my black KH120As they sound terrible. do you know if they come in white?

@geminifreestyle3697

3 жыл бұрын

@@johannes0806 you don't feel they are too bass heavy for mixing?

@johannes0806

3 жыл бұрын

@@geminifreestyle3697 they are supposed to play down to ~55Hz and in my experience they do, also some lower notes are still audible at higher listening levels all though it becomes clear they where not built to reach below 55Hz, to me that alone is very impressive. But what makes them stand out compared to other speakers is that they play nearly flat throughout the entire musik spectrum, that means they translate your work almost 1:1 without adding anything. With that said I wouldn't say they are too bass heavy, feels very natural to mix on them and easy to get used to. Also I noticed the top end can be a little bit too present at times when too close, they need a few feet for the sound to "develope". Hope that helps

@geminifreestyle3697

3 жыл бұрын

@@johannes0806 thanks so much, actually i've had them for years & adore them but suddenly they sound really thin. i'm way too casual about the red volume warning light thing, so i probably blew them out. sometimes record my own vox but not an expert at all. also seeing them for like $700 which seems too good to be true so was wondering if neumann has something better i should upgrade to but. based on your advice probably just gonna order a new pair

What is that track called? "blast this shit..."

@ZReviews

4 жыл бұрын

UNCLE - Safe in Mind

@adeveloper6653

5 ай бұрын

Was trying to find this exact track its using the background music from Safe in the mind but its a shin remix of it kzread.info/dash/bejne/fWWWlMt9k9fSn5M.html

Note this is a professional speaker , is use to master the sound for the standard consumer equipment and most of this equipment don’t have high quality tweeter mid subwoofer , this professional have to master the music to sound good in those equipment to make them happy and sell more , if you use a high quality speaker to master the sound , it may not sound good in consumer equipment

Dude do you homework if you are doing this for a living! Kh stand for "KLEIN UND HUMMEL". This is the name of the company before it became Neumann.

It's just an iPAD app and hook on network... no more equipment

@kim--

4 жыл бұрын

This. Just needs to be connected to the same network.

@ZReviews

4 жыл бұрын

Well sheet. Still no ipad

@1Patient

4 жыл бұрын

I don't subscribe to Apple.

I own these. While i think they sound fantastic one thing i find very non-ideal. The Auto-Standby. It takes FOR-E-VER for them to go into sleep and it takes a felt eternity for them to switch on again. Literally ANY monitor i had in the Past had a better autostandby. The Canton AM5 for example goes into Sleep in a few minutes of silence and switches back on 2-3 Seconds max after Signa hits the speakers again. The Kh80 sometimes even don`t turn off. Like even if i have my Interface Volume to 0 i find them bein "On" in the morning. Very bad Auto Standby implementation

@Roman_Gorelov

4 жыл бұрын

Hi! Are they only suitable for listening to music? I don’t know what to choose .. There is no way to listen Can you advise something? Hedd 05, Eve 204/205 (+ sub), Gold 5-8 (+ sub), adam T5-8V (+ sub), KH 80, APS Klasik 2020 or some thing else? Thank you!

@saardean4481

4 жыл бұрын

Per Aspera Ad Creation / Roman Gorelov well they are speakers so they mainly do good in music. I would not try to use them for coocking. :-) jokes apart, this is a very wide question that i cant answer since i will say one thing and the next one something else. If you want to get more information watch tutorials and maybe visit some Mastering forums and in generall audio people forums. But its a neverending story. Without listening its 70% research and 30% luck combined with luck . I havent heard every model you mention but had some Adams a while back but sold them cause i found them impressive at first but tiresomemely bright after a while. The Kh80 is one of the most unspectacular and flat sounding speaker i have ever heard. This is perfect if you want to master or simply want 98% honesty of how a recording sounds. For backround listening it might get boring cause linearity is not everyones favorite thing. The Hedd i hear good things but the air motion transformer tweeter is not my cup of tee. Have heard a few speakers with this tweeter in the last 20 years but never won me over. Imwould say any of the speakers you mention are good and all will profit from a sub except the 2020 which might have a bit more authority without a sub due to cone size. I personally cant listen without a sub. Also even more important than all these speakers is your room. So as i said, a neverending discussion which is better suited for forums of likeminded people. Wish you luck

@Roman_Gorelov

4 жыл бұрын

@@saardean4481 ​ Saar Dean Thank you very much for the information and such a detailed answer! That's right, you have to rely on pieces of information from the forums and luck So far I have settled on a more budget option of Tannoy Gold 8 (8") without sub, because they are very beautiful + inexpensive (400 euro pair) + people consider them to be good speakers. But if I still decide to spend more money, I will look towards Klasik 2020

@igorzhidkov1957

3 жыл бұрын

You can tune auto-standby time in ipad app, by default it’s 90 minutes. What you can’t tune - sensitivity to incoming signal, on my units it is different between units, and it is really annoying.

Is your real name Jack Black?

It's "Neumann" not "Neuman"1!11

Please use a tripod for your camera...

votre vidéo sont bien,mais vous bouger trop ça fait mal à la tête !

They should sell ipad with speakers. Who normal use apple stuf? I live in Poland and hate apple shit.

@drdelewded

Жыл бұрын

Apple stuff is prettu standard in studios

lmao this man contradicted himself so many times. they're studio monitors, flat & neutral is what pro's want from their monitors. sounds like like you expected these to be hi-fi speakers which is no doubt why you like the MTM's more.

Fuck Sennheiser for what they did to K&H. Compare Neumann O420 with K&H O410. Neumann pushed the price for 500! euros AND installed parts of lower quality. K&H didn't fuck around when they build a monitor. Sennheiser is pissing in the customers face by selling lower quality for a higher price. Instead of buying Neumann you should buy used K&H.

I think without dsp correction this speaker sound like normal speaker, you shouldn't review it

Studio monitors shouldn’t be flat & neutral, huh? You’re clearly not making high quality professional mixes and releasing them. That’s what studio monitors are made for, did you know that?

These look like generic 90's computer speakers that come bundled with the desktop. The style not the size.

@kamilkashaf2766

4 жыл бұрын

The one's in grey are a bit better.

sorry but I couldn't watch this, this way of filming gave me motion sickness

The shaking camera made me dizzy

Yeah I stopped watching Game of Thrones around season 5 when the liberal brainwashing became very clear and present. I wish we could ban them :(

Mixing yes, mastering...absolutely not haha

@clickbaitpro

4 жыл бұрын

Why not?

@drdelewded

Жыл бұрын

@@clickbaitpro Too small, not accurate enough Don't get me wrong I love Neumann monitors

@plompudu2529

Жыл бұрын

@@drdelewded not accurate enough? -+0.7dB on axis is pretty much perfection... too small? what's the problem with the size if it has enough output and a wide enough dispersion pattern?

@drdelewded

Жыл бұрын

@@plompudu2529 Accurate enough for mixing, not accurate for mastering. Mastering is another world of accuracy. Don't get me wrong.. I love, use at work and own Neumann speakers. But the KH80s are small speakers. We have them in a couple of our smaller rooms, that we do mainly VO recording and radio promos in... our medium sized rooms, which are only about 10 by 15 you need to up it to the KH120 which we have. (My home suite is 6 by 7 and I use the 120s.. mainly because the 80s weren't a thing at the time I bought my 120s) The 80s would not have enough output for a mastering suite. And even if you pushed them, they would "feel" distant.

@plompudu2529

Жыл бұрын

@@drdelewded what do you mean by accurate? It seems we're talking about different Things. For me is accuracy the ability to produce a flat on axis/ Listening Window response + have room correction under the Schrödinger frequency. (aka no sound colorations) But i agree that they cant reach dolby reference level at higher distances than 0.9m. (105dB peak) Imo is reference level not worth it, if we are talking about Media consumption, since i would like to keep my hearing :D. Out of interest at what level do you mix/master and at what level do you consume Media?

Typical fanboy review lol

400 for 1 700 a pair, Think I'll buy Tuks instead

@irun2sanaxox

4 жыл бұрын

okay

Apple ruins everything