Most rentals in the Netherlands are owned by corporations instead of private landlords. The target group of renters are people that will stay in that home for a long time. Therefor, the flooring is an important personal choice. I love the fact that you don't have to live on carpet that has been used by former renters. When you want to move, you tell the corporation usually one month upfront. That gives them the chance to find a new renter who can discuss with you if they want to buy over the flooring or not. It's a great system imo.

@royjansen93

Жыл бұрын

And long term is not 2-3 years. It could be 40 years. I was able to buy the floor from the previous owner for almost nothing, but it was ugly and they did a terrible instal. I refused so they had to take it out. Saving on dumping cost. I am planning on staying here for 10 to 15 years, after which I would need something else on my floor anyway.

@audreygange

Жыл бұрын

Interesting. However, I have not seen any rentals that have carpets. They have wood floors or linoleum. Maybe all those flats which have no floors were previously carpets? Also, it seems extremely unlikely that someone would decide to rent one home for 10+ years, rather than buy their own. Or that the owner will not suddenly decide to sell the property or rent to a relative. Indeed, it benefits the owner because once a tenant has invested so much into the property, they would not want to leave. If the Dutch way is to customize the floor due to preference, why not customize the doors, faucets, cabinets, and exterior of the building, and so on? Because it is not my house, why should I invest in it? And maybe besides a cultural thing, it is a generational thing? I find this practice extremely unappealing unless you truly plan to stay for decades and there is no chance the owner will raise the rent like crazy or kick you out.

@Taliesin6

Жыл бұрын

@@audreygange I've lived most of my life in a "rijtjeshuis" and the ones i've seen usually had carpet everywhere besides the livingroom/kitchen and toilet/bathroom. I've lived in my current rental for almost 30 years now. The owner is a large corp that isn't allowed to kick me out without authorization from a gov official for something serious (like neglect, danger etc). Also i was able to take over my mothers old rental contract because of unusual circumstances and because of that my new neighbours pay like 200 a month more than me. I'm not allowed to change doors, plumbing and exterior of the building (exeptions are showerhead, toilet seat and other "accesoires"). I'd have to pay 60 years of rent to outright buy this house but then i wouldn't get a rent subsidy which i get now because of my low income so in reality it would be like 80-100 years of rent up front. Because of said low income a mortgage isn't an option, also i would have to take care of all the maintenance myself. The corp that owns this place takes care of all that. In the time that i lived here they've replaced all the doors and windows for better insulated ones, new heating system, new ventilation system, new bathroom/toilet, new kitchen and cabinets, crawl space and roof insulation, asbestos removal, all without costs for me.

@ozandiken

10 ай бұрын

How can I find an apartment in Rotterdam we are couple requiring legal long term address for our MVV resident & work visa we have income prof of 3.5k euros a month work contract stable job etc

For me it makes perfect sense to move to a new house that is empty, often the decorations done by the previous owner/renter aren't always things the new resident would like. In an ampty house you can decorate the house completely to your own likings without having to remove old stuff first.

People who rent a house in the Netherlands, will mostly rent it for a long term, like 10 years and more.This goes especially for social Housing, because there is a waiting list, in many cities, of 7 years and more, so you won't be able to move that many times. Therefore most of the times when people move out, the flooring is worn out or outdated, and you don't want to have that floor anyways. So you have to buy new flooring..and thus it saves you the trouble of taking out the old one. Same goes for curtains.

@IesKorpershoek

Жыл бұрын

This goes for wallpaper and inside painting.

Wow! That is super interesting 🤔. Love watching your videos, I have learned so much!!💜😃

Flooring is personal. So if you want laminaat, vloerkleed, tegels, or something else... you put it in yourself. When you leave a rented house, you have to remove all your belongings, incl. your floor :-) Or as you say, you often have the opportunity to leave the floor for the next renter. It is what it is, welcome to a different culture ;-)

@phoebs69

Жыл бұрын

Exactly there are people want different flooring. Some want a underfloor heating

@The_Mermaid

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, I guess it is a way of giving people - different renters - the opportunity to customize their home to their own taste. Same goes for unupholstered apartments, the renter can chose everything to their liking. Like Patrick already said, it's a cultural thing I guess. Dutchies like to be able to chose those things themselves, instead of having the landlord chose for them.

@wesleyh.1181

Жыл бұрын

Investing in flooring in a rental appartement is the same as throwing your money in the garbage bin. It's also a big waste of resources, since a lot of floors aren't really re-usable. If you are there for a long-term then I understand, but then you should discuss it with the landlord/corporation. One of the most idiotic things in 'our culture'.

@kappa2ou3

Жыл бұрын

Just crazy people do that!!!

@PatrickSchouten

Жыл бұрын

it is not crazy as you know that we normaly rent a house or apartment for ten or more years

When my granddad died I had to clear out the appartment he rented from the social housing corporation. I understood their demand to remove the top carpeting, but underneath there was a quite expensive and prestine underfloor. I called to ask if I could leave it in for the next tennants, for there was a concrete floor underneath that would need underflooring no matter what type of floor the next tennants would want. They told me to take it out anyway. Complete waste of time, money, materials and effort as far as I'm concerned. I'm dutch but as baffled as you are!

@MrPekelharing

Жыл бұрын

True. I had to take out a very expensive wooden floor when my mum died. I bet the new tenants would have loved the floor. And they could have it for free. But still the corporation wanted it OUT,. Waste of money for sure.

when I was working as a "huismeester" I had to remove an expats flooring, this was in 2010, it was a very expensive 110 square meter wooden floor, I was supposed to throw it away, but I asked permission to take it, 13 years later and several appartments which have had that same flooring in it and it is still my floor, had to replace some planks but that 110 square metres easily fits my needs in a aprox 67 square metres appartment and still got replacement planks.

@gekkegerrit933

Жыл бұрын

refurbishing your home is always a personal taste matter, that is why most (lower, social) renters tend to leave your appartment as it was when you hired it, that means even if you have upgraded the place with a new kitchen or bathroom, you have to take all out including wallpaper, to have a standerdised appartment to rent out, I think it is the feeling it is not your "own" when it is furbished by a standard .

@gekkegerrit933

Жыл бұрын

if you do not leave the appartment, when you are moving on, the way you hired it , it will mean you will loose your deposit and worse.

@gekkegerrit933

Жыл бұрын

they will charge you to bring it back down to their standards.

good to see you back tammy love the video as alway,s

The concrete IS the floor. What you lay on top of that is the floor covering (vloerbedekking). In general, if you leave the house you have to deliver it back in the state as it was when you moved in. So if there was no covering, then the covering needs to be removed. If there was a covering, and you remove it when you leave, the housing company can charge you for it. The housing company often works as an intermediate between the old and new residents. If they agree on taking over the covering, then the company accepts a delivery with the covering. Since people differ in taste and preferences, there are also different coverings. Sometimes the new residents don't care, or need their money for other things, and they will take the old covering. But more often people prefer a new covering (new house, new stuff, new beginning: that idea) and so they want the old covering to be removed. If the old residents are asking too much for the covering, you can simply say no and then it's their problem to remove it. Also, quite often they offer the covering for free, saving the trouble of removing.

@marcovtjev

Жыл бұрын

Yes. In my first home after college I told the previous tenant to leave the horrible flooring in and then removed it myself. Why? The stairs were still decent even if the rooms weren't, and stairs are most costly to carpet.

Even in the nursing home where my father lived, floors where the residents responsibility. They only recently changed this, because these days people are so old and sick when they finally can go to the nursing home, that they will only spend a very limited time there... so now finally it is deemed more practical to provide flooring. Actually, this makes a lot of sense also because you where only allowed to use one particular type of flooring (vynil, which is easy to clean and to move around on with wheelchairs and strollers..).

Another cool video you two. Ladder trucks are also common in Korea. Most people live in apartments that are usually 20 or more floors high (yes, the trucks can lift stuff that high). They also charge around $80/hour and the crew can be hired to work with moving trucks included. They will do all the moving work for you and even pack and unpack everything so you don't have to do much at all. Ladder trucks are indeed impressive and big business over here! Korea makes things SUPER convenient and efficient.

A personal experience. In our first move abroad (to the USA) for a job assignment which would last three years. We rented a house in NJ which came with a golden coloured, wall to wall, floor carpet. As it was for only three years we didn't bother to change it. Boy, did we regret it as the assignment lasted 7 years. Lesson learned. In all subsequent moves to other countries we insisted that we could change the flooring to our liking.

We rent out home 40 years already and yes the flooring is very personal. We are glad that we can choose our flooring ourselves and change it when we want. We also don't have to worry about scratches or something like that because it is ours.

Missed you guys. Don’t know why you haven’t been appearing in my feed.

There's the BKR in the Netherlands, which is somewhat similar to a US credit check. It's a registry of loans and payment history, and rental companies and loan providers can check there to see if you are likely to have a history or potential of failing to pay in timely fashion. As said by others, flooring, wallpaper, etc. etc. are personal decisions and people rent long term. My student apartment I lived in for 7 years, my rental apartment after graduation I lived in for a decade. The student apartment came with carpeting but it was so worn out I had to tear it out and put in new. This is typical for student rentals... My rental apartment I put in flooring I chose, which by the time I moved out was so worn it was due for replacement anyway. Rental company offered me to remove it for me but was cheaper for me to do it myself. "in the US if you don't hire a moving company you have to rely on family and friends". Same in the Netherlands. Those vehicles you showed are basically derived from construction lifts and firetrucks. I'm sure they exist in the US as well. Of course in the Netherlands staircases are typically more narrow than they are in the US, so there's a greater need for means of getting stuff through upstairs windows. Which is problematic in newer houses as the windows tend to be a lot smaller to provide better insulation. Try moving a washing machine up a winding narrow Dutch staircase and you'll appreciate having a construction lift to help :)

not just flooring: it used to be quite common to rent a house without a warm water heater. But as others have mentioned: usually in the netherlands you rent unfurnished/unupholstered for long term

A house without flooring gives you a chance to really decorate your own space, it's nice to go to the carpet store and have your mind set to the world you want to live in (together with paint, curtains, furniture). It triggers your creativity...

Hi again love your video. On the floors! ...I moved 3 years ago in a nice little 50 + house.(rented through a housing corporation)My husband and I took over several things in the house from the previous renter. This is handy because the person who left that house can't sometimes have everything fitting in his new house! For example flooring...different sizes! Soooo....they give you the chance to take it over for very little money. But....if that floor is in a bad state, then the new owner is made responsible to leave that floor in a good state when he leaves that house, with all the trouble that comes with it. So corporations now say, take it all out unless it's a good floor that can be taken over to the new renter. New houses are always sold with concrete floors. That's the floor in it. It's up to the buyer to put something in That's their choice that is personal. Hopefully this will help you. Nice to see both of you again.

Great video! I love all of your videos and how informative it is! I definitely plan on visiting The Netherlands within the next 9 months! I just have to figure out a time to visit!

@jwenting

Жыл бұрын

late spring or early summer is usually the best time for weather. Early spring can be very wet and even have snow and frost, late summer can get very dry and hot. So schedule for May-June (into early July), or look at what you want to do and see if that's time limited, obviously (like Keukenhof which has a very narrow opening window, or some open air museums that are closed part of the year).

It's something from back in the past. People didn't rent for a year or 2 but lived their whole (or half) their live in the same appartment. In that case you want to chose your own floor/wallpaper/kitchencabinets etcetera. It was pretty common and still is in some area's.

@jpdj2715

Жыл бұрын

Go back 100 years and you'll find that almost everybody rented. People expected some level of new wallpaper, paint and flooring when they moved into a rented house or apartment. In that market, people actually moved house because they felt they needed a different wallpaper. The idea to own property is really a post WW2 invention in the NL. In that sense, way back, many people did not rent for extremely long time periods like today.

As for getting your stuff to your floor, some buildings in Amsterdam still have a beam built in the top of the building with a hook. You attach a rope and you simply haul up your stuff.

In Dutch law, homes are defined as immovable property / immovable goods. Everything that is nailed and screwed or fixed to the immovable property is part of that immovable property. A laminate floor and curtains is / are not nailed / fixed to the property and are therefore movable property /movable goods. A kitchen and taps are fixed to the property and are therefore part of the immovable good /property. Plants in the garden are also part of the immovable property.

That ladderlift really got me thinking. It is so random, but so funny you never saw it before. It comes in all shapes and sizes. Smaller versions are used in construction for roof tiles for example or to just simply get equipent up a few floors. I am sure it is used in the states. If not, then there must be a big market for it because it saves a ton of labour and it's easy to use.

Did anyone mention hygiene already? Even when a carpet would have been cleaned it wouldn’t feel comfortable… (other peoples pets 😳) It would be different with hard flooring. We had that once with cork “parket”. Saved on carpets when moving in but when we left it was a scary thought we could be the ones to get it all out. And it was glued on and they did a terrific job! Luckily the next renters took it over for f0,- we were just so happy to not having to do this while moving. 😅

Renters can be credit checked by a landlord at the BKR (Bureau of Credit Registration), this is an organization where all folks with a debt inThe Netherlands are registered. Even for cellphone debts, student loans, overdrafts or lease payments arrears. I’m registered there because I have a mortgage. It is to prevent people getting into more debt, but sometimes these checks (in case of debt) can prevent you from getting a mortgage with a lower interest rate or getting a mortgage at all. I only know of rent houses without kitchen appliances and without flooring, curtains and closets. There are kitchen cabinets and a sink and tap, but you’ll have to take your furnace/oven, fridge/freezer and dishwasher with you. As well as a washing machine and dryer. Flooring and curtains have to be bought or taken with you from your former home. The cheapest flooring are carpet tiles, linoleum or laminate floors. If you rent a new house that is just being built, you have to get all the stuff, but if you rent an existing house, you just ring at the front door and ask the renter if he/she has flooring, curtains or closets that you can take over. Sometimes it saves the renter time to remove it if he/she doesn’t want it in their new home or you can get to an agreement to pay money for it. I personally wouldn’t like to have flooring from a previous tenant. I just moved from an apartment to a bungalow and I payed €1,800 for moving. It is a lot of money, but they did everything in one day. Move the washing machine and dryer including disconnecting and connecting, remove the light fixtures and assemble them in my new home, they disassembled a big bookcase that covers a whole wall and assembled it in my new house, disassembled the garden lounge set and assembled it in my new garden. They deliver the moving boxes, packing materials (like paper sheets for breakables, tape etc), matras covers and stickers (you put on the boxes and write on them in which room they must be delivered). They came at 7.00 in the morning (with six movers, two trucks, a moving elevator and lots of ‘hondjes’ a sort of moving boards with wheels), and at 4.00 in the afternoon I was sitting on my couch in my new house. I just needed to unpack all the boxes. I’m not going to move using family and friends for that amount. And everything was insured. Luckily nothing broke or damaged. You can rent a moving elevator with someone to operate it for €49-99/hour. In some municipalities you need a license to park it in front of your house on the sidewalk or a parking place.

Late to the party, but all of this is so true. We experienced it all!

"It's the little differences. I mean, they got the same sh*t over there they got here, but, it's just, just, there it's a little different" ... Really liked this vid and the way you wonder about these things. Greetings from Maastricht.

I noticed that, looking up apartments for NL. The site I was on had a filter for "Upholstered" or "Furnished." Made it seem like upholstered meant furnished, and "un" was unfurnished. But it refers to the flooring?

I moved from a narrow Warmoesstraat in Amsterdam and they even arrange for the road to close for a couple of hours.

Here is my experience about renting an apartment. I sold my own house when I was 60 years old and went to rent a 55+ (senior) apartment. This was equipped with a standard kitchen and a very basic bathroom. I set everything up myself. Also the floor covering (wood), Wallpaper etc that cost me more than 10,000 euros in the end. (Have no pity on those who read this. I could afford it). And who knows how long he has to live. And once I. am in paradise (lol). Then my apartment will have to be brought into an old state. That is a concern for those left behind

In the Netherlands, the housing market is divided into 3 groups; 1. Ownership (slightly increasing each year) and in 2021 57%, then social rent, these are rental homes owned by cooperatives, they rent out almost 30% of all homes in the Netherlands, and finally there is private rental, this is the remaining 13%. In the past, every rental contract of a cooperative stated that you had to leave the house in the condition in which you rented it. For the first tenants, this was (obviously) a bare house without wallpaper and floor (because new construction at that moment), and that is how you it had to be de again if you left. Today it is less difficult, but it may still be a requirement that you paint all walls white before you leave and/or remove the wallpaper. Many private landlords followed these requirements. What you do on the inside is up to you, but when you go it leaves it bare again. Part of the idea behind it was that any damage was very easily visible and either had to be repaired or repair was charged. First check online (search for "verhuizers") what a move will cost if you have it done for you. There is quite a lot of competition and it could be cheaper than you think. Last time I moved (almost 10 years ago) it cost me less than 1000 euros and they came with such a lift and 4 sturdy guys. Everything was delivered quickly and insured to the new house within half a day. I had packed everything myself (you can also have it done). Yes it is a bit more expensive than arranging everything yourself, but one of the better decision I have ever made. Picking up and returning a van, the elevator and everything, also costs time and money. Least stressful move ever.

My daughter got an apartment with flooring and guess what she did?……..she put in a new floor over the existing floor because she didn’t like the existing floor. She also removed the roll down window coverings by curtains. I once hired an apartment and told them well in advance. They found new tenants who I contacted, they were happy to take over my flooring and curtains- sun screens.

I remember how in Germany (Hannover, Dresden) nice wooden floors where very much a standard in apartments, also because this was in a time when the market in these places was actually a buyers (or rather renters) market. That has changed.. And apparently Germans like wooden floors. For some reasons English people seem to prefer awful carpeting and the Dutch like cheap plastic laminate.

@EdwinMartin

Жыл бұрын

Plastic laminate is absolutely not cheap and it’s very durable. It certainly is much better than wood laminate which often shows wear spots after a couple of years.

The moving lifts were only for roofers in the beginning Later, movers started using them too

Most people don’t rent a house or apartment for just 1 or 2 years. More like 10 to 50 years. And if you paid good money for that floor, you look after it, instead of it needing replacement every couple of years due to heavy living.

You can rent a so called verhuislift voor a day from 102 euro up to 250. But it depence on the hight you need , there are lifts who go up a 31 meters in the air that is over a 100 feet. quit handy when you live at the 4e or 5e floor

i know its so annoying and very expensive to buy a whole new floor ughhh. my dad from the uk also finds it very odd. but absolutely with my social housing rent I stay here longer than 3 years. It's very long waiting lists to get into a different house, sadly.

Same goes for appliances. Don't expect a rental to have sppliances. You need to bring them yourself

I think a lot of the 'weird' aspects of todays rental market in this country have to do, one way or another, with the fact that it used to be highly regulated. The focus used to be on getting as many citizens as possible an affordable place to live - not necessarily on comfort. The biggest landlords/rental organisations were either non-profit organizations or semi-government organizations - not commercial investors, and there were strict rules around the maximum rental price for a place based on the size and the level of facilities. As far as I know, flooring was not a criteria in those, so there was no financial incentive either. Only half way the nineties, the market was *partly* liberalized, splitting it up in a social rent sector that still has to adhere to the old rental prices policies, and a free market. I think a lot of the habits and mentalities around things like flooring still date from before that time. Also, I think that the type/color/design of flooring is subject to trends and personal preference. And, currently wooden floors or laminate are the norm, but I remember that back in the eighties wall to wall carpets were very popular. Imagine renting an apartment with a dirty carpet from the previous tenant - I think I would prefer to rip it out and put in my own ;) Regarding upholstered or furnished apartments: I think most dutch people would regard these as luxury apartments for expats, not something they would seriously consider to rent except maybe in a temporary/emergency situation.

i've been in this apt for 16 years now :). Most people here rent long term, and that's why they want to put in their own flooring.

And what about the light fixtures? I Canada we used a Zoom Boom, it does exist!

My daughter went to inspect her first rental apartment near Rotterdam CS today. She will probably get the key next week.

Your videos get funnier and funnier; sailor!!

It's interesting. Flooring IS personal! In the US this is an expense covered by the land lord in between renters, as needed. However, that renter does not make any decision in flooring (99% of the time anuway). Like you are all saying, people make rentals their permanent homes or at least a very long time...longer than many people own a home in the US. I really like this concept. These are the superficial, coverings of a home and are personal preferences and choices.

Haha, I had the same type of surprise when I learned that in other countries landlords put flooring in the rental properties. Still when I look at those home makeover programs I shudder at the thought that you would live on the previous occupants ‘dirty’ carpet.

@audreygange

Жыл бұрын

Not sure where this was, but for example, in the US it is quite normal to put in new carpets for new tenants, unless they are newer, stain-free and in good condition - in this case they are professionally deep-cleaned. I would prefer the owner invest in the property and have it move-in ready than letting me do the work and spend the money. I do not need to choose my floor. If it is not hideous, it is sufficient. If it is hideous, I won't live there.

In the case of bare living accommodation, the rental value is based on the points system according to the home valuation system or is liberalized. This means that if the rental value is above 720.42 euros (2019), the rental property falls into the liberal rental market. The house or room is rented out for a long term and has a minimum rental period of 12 months. While in an upholstered room, among other things, floor covering is present, just like basic lighting and a complete kitchen, with bare rental only the concrete floor is visible, walls have not yet been painted or papered, lighting has not been installed and there is no built-in kitchen yet. is. The advantage is that you can furnish the house entirely to your own taste so that it becomes your 'own' home.

The quality of the flooring is always a hassle. So it’s better to remove it when you leave and buy new when you move in.

that thing that move stuff to the second floor is called a giraffe

US Rentals 1mo up to 1.5 mo security deposit. You can pay first and last month rent up front. The last mo must be held in an escrow. At least in NJ. This is for On-market Listed Rentals in the MLS. If it is 0ff-Market its the wild west and no true standards are in place you can have 2mo security, pay 6mo in advance whatever is required to compensate for lack of credit etc. Again that is Off-Market without a realtor and not in the regulated MLS system.

You can make your home in your taste. Red flooring, White flooring, tiles, wood . Same for furniture 👍

Sometimes in Gent we go watch those guys put stuff up on high floors. Most of the apartments have windows that open wide so you can get big stuff upstairs. Rules and regs are always an issues.

The why is already answered I see, and I agree, it’s because it’s a personal taste but even when you upgrade stuff, I changed all the water tabs with new better ones but I kept the old ones so I can put them back when I leave, in general you have to give appartement back as you get it. I have a ugly basic bathroom and I don’t upgrade it because they will demand to take it out again.

Nowadays you can get "gestoffeerd" sometimes means floor and walls are done... we are just used to it I guess :) Xx

I rent the appartement I live in for the last 10 years, and plenty of people here rent for (very) long time, so I want the interior to be to my taste including the flooring, why would I want to live years with flooring that is not of my choosing, or why would I rent a place that is ideal but I don't like the flooring? As to the landlords requiring to bring your rented apartment back to original state, if someone rented 5 or 7 years the flooring is probably worn down, so when the landlord want to rent the apartment out again, the landlord would have to spend the money, to fresh it up or remove it, while the renter did the damage. See it as it was a blank canvas when you started renting and you return it as a blank canvas back to the landlord again for the next one. For the part of buying the flooring from the last renter, the overturning is so fast in the Netherlands, that new renters already can get their rental contract, when the old renters are not even moved out, and the viewings of the apartment are often going on while the last renter still lives there, that is how you can negotiate with the old renter on what you want to them to leave behind. (and it is included in the rental agreement, top make sure that you as new renter, know what you will have to take out when you leave and the next renter does not want it)

Furnished apartments usually require two month's rent as security deposit, instead of one month for unfurnished. Foreigners often have to come up with three month's rent as security deposit. When leaving, you usually have to clean everything, with proof of having cleaned, including drapes, (cleaning bills, etc.) or pay for cleaning from deposit. Advance notice of leaving can be one month, but usually two months, sometimes three, unless the rental is short term, then one month. It's funny the furnished rent is twice unfurnished, but also then requires two month deposit, which is four times unfurnished deposit. Many foreigners have to come up double or triple deposit, because they could just leave and never return.

Little late to the party. But flooring is very personal, and we tend to live quite long in places where you need to floor yourself. Another thing; if there is already flooring in your rental, you have to pay for it to your landlord, and for the amount of time you live in their, it end up being more expensive. So, why not buy your favourite floor, and just pay for it, atleast it's yours.

Im dutch but agree w the flooring comment. Its madness

The floor is a very important personal choice for your home decoration. When you rent, you have e to leave behind the house in its initial state. So when there is carpeting and you want wood, laminate or whatever, you’ll have to put back the carpet, when you leave. That’s a no go. Better start bare and put in your own choice of flooring. We are all able to put it in ourselves or we have a friend or family member that can help you out.

@SwirlingSoul

Жыл бұрын

And if not, one can pay the store of the flooring to have it laid for you.

We don't have credit scores like the US. We have 'BKR, Bureau Krediet Registratie', every loan (don't matter what for) is registered over there. Registration can have far-reaching consequences.

@Wielie0305

Жыл бұрын

So true. Almost every credit is registered at the bkr. So the best thing is not to take a loan. At least that’s what my parents told me :)

@carola_l

Жыл бұрын

Did you know this? I didnt...(sorry in Dutch); "Een mobiel die je elke maand bij je abonnement afbetaalt, is een krediet". That way you do have a BKR registration. Be aware all!

@IesKorpershoek

Жыл бұрын

@@carola_lA Yes that's right. It applies to anything you buy on installment. Also, your credit card even with no outstanding balance is registered. Few people know that; this greatly affects getting a mortgage or the amount of the mortgage. But credit cards is a total other subject and so different from the USA.

@jwenting

Жыл бұрын

@@carola_l yup. You're buying on credit. Same as in the past with post order companies offering spread payments. It's no different from a car loan.

@jwenting

Жыл бұрын

@@IesKorpershoek That credit card will only be flagged though if you have a history of not paying the balance in timely fashion.

With flooring it is the same with wall paper or the color of paint. It is up to you as the one who rents and according to your preference. Personally I don't want the old flooring because mostly it's not my kind of flavour. It is very personal.

Well, it's about personal choice (taste) mainly. Some people like carpet others wood. Also some people have an allergy for 'House dust mite'. So if there is already a carpet floor the existing floor has to be removed when you are allergic.

The main difference is that near everything in the netherlands is stone/concrete build. No wood beams or w/e. Sure in old houses this still can be a thing, but you won't find that much in any recent houses since like the 70's or so. So a wood floor or walls with plaster etc aren't a thing here. As a renter goes out of a building after 10 to 50 years, all that needs often replacement anyway, unless it happened to be fairly recently been replaced. But the new renters might not want that color or type of flooring. And then you HAVE to get it out. Also, if a renter leaves, they have to announce that ahead, and often they ask if the new renter can visit and have a look and negotiate transition of certain things for money or "leave it" if its too much work. I know of a family that had to bring their shower back to "standard" by demand of the owning cooperation after living there for like 30 years, they had redone the bathroom beautifully with all piping in the walls, big nice tiles, shower cabin etc etc. and they had to bring it back to the state it was b4... they where NOT happy with that... so they did a botch job and it answered how it was but tilings was NOT nice and stuff... they remade their policies after that. If they made it nicer, they could leave it like it was. Dutch ppl don't tend to move a lot. The relations we have with the ppl around us make us more grounded with our surroundings than the company we happen to work for. There are plenty of other employers. Not plenty of other places to live close to family / friends etc.

Most apartments I've been in America require having to cover at least 70 percent of the floor with rugs or carpeting, to reduce sound in the building. When you leave, you have take it with you.

Can we have stay in 1 BHK if we are family of couple and 1 kid ho is 4 year old?

Flooring is the first thing that people want renewed because of personal choices and/or being worn down by previous inhabitants. Only hard flooring is sustainable for >1 generation of renters. To escape all the hussle for owner, they put nothing/leaving it up to renter. If in good condition and pretty general flooring (laminated flooring, not to colorfull) they might be okay if you leave the place, but otherwise they need to take it out (because different renter wants different flooring). Curious on how (in USA) you (or proffesional movers) get your stuff upstairs then.. everything carry on the stairs? 🤨

I have only rented student accommodation in the Netherlands. This normally comes with carpets/curtains, but without furniture.

@jwenting

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and normally those are in such poor shape that you wish you had the money to replace them, unless things have changed since I was a student :)

Floors in the Netherlands need care. It's the weather I think. It is either walk on socks indoors, or mess up your floor. Terra cotta tiles and wooden floorboards used to be normal. With rugs here and there to keep your feet off the cold winter floors. Old farms might still have that. When you moved, you took the rugs with you. I guess a part of the tradition comes from to leave a bare floor is there. Also it is harder to hide a bad floor when there is no covering. (Ever got into a house to find out 4 months later the supports under the floor are rotting away under your feet?) You get in, and you get a good floor that you can see. You go out and leave the same floor. (And other issues are revealed. No problems with CSI that comes to rip out your flooring to check for bloodstaines under the carpet. Or Walter White that used to cook in your crawlspace through that hatch in the corner. Or that wet patch that is caused by a years old leak.) Bare is honest. That is the point I think. Nothing to hide makes for a strong deal. That sounds pretty Dutch to my ears. But I thought this was a fun channel. Getting a house here is not fun these days.

It’s basically because the hight of the rent is determined by law. But it only contains the “casco” so basically everything that is solid attached to the house. Goverment commissions (example huurcommissie) ar there to inspect rental prices (this is a very short version). Land lords don’t want to debate the value of flooring and furniture (this is again why they ask to remove or that you conclude this with previous renter) (Most rental houses are owned by big corporations) Rental law is very difficult, it is difficult to evict a renter. That’s why sometimes they determine an extra deposit. Again this is a very short version! This is difficult. So if you’re going to rent ask for advise and take you’re own realtor

I lived six years in Amsterdam. All the apartments were privately owned. No real troubles or issues except with my American bank.

the "verhuislift" is €178,11 per day or € 445,28 per week. if you do it on your own.

Most student houses pick their own new roommate and are friends with the one leaving and there is no landlord involved other than is signing the contract. So then it's easily arranged that the next renter goes to live on the same carpet with all the nasty evidence from student life it contains. But it's not that big of a deal to replace it, you cycle back from some big box discount at the edge of the city with a 100 euro roll of carpet, and cut it to fit. A one person afternoon's work. When I was student there were a lot of those 45x45cm carpet tiles which were much easier to take to your new room, but often not worth it. A lot of parents come in and help with a nice new 200 euro laminate flooring, which is only slightly more work laying. But that's mostly from a far too optimistic view on how orderly and hygienic their offspring's life is going to be in the coming years. Before those furniture lifts especially in Amsterdam the furniture was hoisted to a window. Hooks on houses are mandatory there because of the narrow stairs/the stairs can be made narrow and save space. I know from experience that 4 way speakers don't take a fall from the 5th storey very well. We don't have a litigation culture, when you see someone holding a rope on the sidewalk, walk around him.

When we moved into our current rental, (actually before we moved in,) the kitchen drawer held a paper : the previous tenant had filled out a form with the things he would like for us to "take over". A wooden shed, livingroom flooring, curtains, sun screen. After each item he had put the price he wanted for it. We didn't want the shed, we paid him for everything else. They had to remove the shed. We didnt' want it, it was rotten, so we didn't want to be responsible for it's removal. It is great to have the option to just move in, and be able to close curtains, even if they're not your style and hideous. 😁 We rent from a corporation. So, now those taken over items are ours, and we are now responsible for it's removal if the next tenant doesn't want my stuff to stay behind. Anyway, you both sign that form, and on that form they also leave their contact info as do you. The landlord/corporation gets the eventually done with original, and you yourself can take a picture or make a copy to keep. It works. It can be VERY handy to have the flooring in, OR to NOT be responsible for removing a rotten old floor, so you can put in nice new stuff yourself.

i just need to comment :) : if u are getting this appartment/house without floors , u are a very very lucky person ! as it takes around 10+ years just to become eligible for these kind of rentals ( in some parts of the netherlands even 17 or 20yrs ) the housing market over here can't be compared with USA , students can try to rent a room ( almost impossible in the big cities ) .. long story shorts , all the very rich expats are welcome in the netherlands :)

As said by many before: renting a house from a coorporation never incluse flooring, wallpaper or curtains. In case the old renter is still in the house, you can make an appointment to see what you can take over. Normally a low price will be agreed, or the old renter has to remove everything. 25 years ago I had the need to rent a small appartement, so I went looking. The carpet was oke, and I got it for nothing. It saved the lady to take it all out. I stayed there for a year and than moved to a house we bought. Yep, the carpet had to be taken out. About kitchens: in Germany it is common to bring your own kitchen in a rental house and take it out when leaving. Is not done here in the Netherlands. Furnitured appartements are mostly used for a short time, but nothing is your own. I've seen pink flooring....

Maybe it is something that has to do with the past. Carpeting was common and by the time new renters came it was dirty and most people did want to have new clean carpets. Now it just became a habit and most people like to be able to choose their own color or style. I would not like living in a place that has a very dark laminate flooring for example. I guess when you have to live there for two years as an expat you don't see the problem. But when you are renting for a lot of years you want to decorate in your own style.

😉😊😊 in the past i workt as a mover for years and the lift is the best thing faster than walking the stairs and better for your back

From a landlords point of view, the more "stuff" included with the rental the more "stuff" then landlord is responsible for cost of maintenance, replacement and insurance etc. Flooring might not be high maintenance, but kitchen appliances can fail regularly.

Well carpet is the most dirtiest thing that is around. So I am glad I can choose my own floors.

We barely used credit cards, so no credit checks. We use debit cards, we spend what we can afford by saving up front. We do have mortgages for houses. Recently more and more people are financing a new car instead of buying a cheap second hand car. Something I didn’t understand when I was in the USA (Pacifica, next to SFO) for about 20 years ago that almost no renter owned a washing machine. They had to go to a laundromat or use one that wasn’t “rented” from the landlord and shared with multiple apartment/houses. I guess it all went back to the times that people in the USA liked to move around very often and didn’t want to drag washing machines around. The renter pays for the flooring they want. You seem to prefer the landlord selecting it and having you pay for it through the rent. I doesn’t come for free, ever.

Ahhh sounds very complicated you guys ! I am Canadian now but born Dutch in The Netherlands and that, what you are saying with rentals , is the norm ! You look after everything yourself 😅 ! We are spoiled in North America!

Why would you want flooring done by a stranger that would probably not fit your style? If I move want a bare floor and be able to add my own flooring (laminate in most cases) that suits my interior style. You do your own wallpaper or wallpaint as well. You rent the house not the interior.

Idea for a new video: In this week 41 starting from October 13th Lidl supermarket / grocery store in Rotterdam and The Netherlands temporarily has 53 American US specialties (American style) food items on sale.

Renting in Australia can be unfurnished or furnished. Most people intend to buy their own home at some stage. If you rent an unfurnished home they will supply flooring, curtains or blinds. They all supply ovens and heating. In some occasions they will supply white goods. I’ve once had the fridge supplied and once had the washing machine. The newer places will supply a dishwasher and air conditioning. Most landlords are individuals. Very few corporations. With furnished homes it varies how much they actually furnish. It may include all your kitchen supplies and linens as well as furniture for each room.

These are houses you rent for more than 1 or 2 years, but more like over 5 some even over 20 years. Next to that, it's not common to glue floors. You only do that with parket, which is rarely used in rental.

In general you view a house when the current renter is still in it and when you meet them, you can discuss them leaving stuff or not, Some will demand money for it, but many won't being glad not to have to bother finding or renting a dumpster. Another aspect of that is that you do not have a deposit when there is nothing but required stuff in it. So empty house, no bail, low rent. Some stuff in it, landlord can ask a bail for that, higher rents, Fully furbished, big deposit, highest rent. The latter class of rents is almost exclusively for expats as any Dutch will acquire lots of stuff over time. But it is one of the reasons why old houses with wooden floors are popular. Any improvement to a house beyond what already exists you make, you'll have to ask permission of your landlord for and will allow them to increase the rent! So changing that 70's style bathroom comes at a double price. Renting is in general more expensive than buying in the Netherlands, though that also depends on where and what. It is very low stress though compared to owning a house with a bad mortgage.

As a few said already flooring is personal some may have carpet in the house and maybe the new tenant wants wooden floors you never know. I met the previous tenants daughter of my rental because she wanted to meet the new tenant of the house she grew up in basically ( also a choice u can make with the housing association sometimes to do the showing yourself or leave it to them ) and because that woman lived in the house since the 60's everything pretty much was outdated. So the choice of the housing association was to rip it all out and to "update" the kitchen and shower to modern times, but indeed i had to put in my own flooring, fridge, stove and anything else u normally being with a "move". I would have to say im glad they took it all out and updated it, cause i honestly wouldnt have wanted a floor or house for that matter with 60's stuff in it 😉, but if it were up to date i would have bought it from the lady for a cheaper price then the stores offer. From my own experience either carpet or vinyl flooring are the "cheapest" to buy, depending on how long your staying the in appartement it might not be the cheapest in the long haul cause it wears out faster then laminate or real wood flooring, but for 2/3 years it should be good ( not to forget vinyl does better in appartements where its more "moist" like badly ventilated old homes sometimes have here, so always look out for mildew in shower areas and or window corners ). Hugs from Groningen 👍❤️

as an owner it has a lot of benefits to have empty houses. there is never any discussion on ware and tere of items like is this stain new or did it become bigger, or is the floor worn from normal use or is the tenant responsible for paying for cleaning or replacement. there is no time lost between move out and move in of tenants because there is no time necessary for reconditioning the Tenets wil do in the time they are paying rent for the place , and getting professionals here to recondition a house can take moths and all that time no rent is coming in. you don't need personnel to supervise the quality of work done or to decide what color wallpaper and flooring should go in next. and then there is the trouble of the law. if anything is included in the rent the owner is responsible for the upkeep and replacement. so if the renters were out the flooring in 10 years you will have to replace it while they are living there and that includes moving everything of the floor and back and probably providing alternative housing for the renters for the time while u are working on it. on an empty house all those problems and cost are the renters problems and costs. and if the renters are responsible for the costs they take a lot better care of the property and that same flooring is suddenly good for 20 - 30 years of service. fully furnished also has its advantages for the owner but only in the high end part of the marker. if the house is rented out fully furnished the points system for calculating the maximum rental price is not applicable so you can get a higher price for the house only dependent on the negotiations with the tenant and the market rate and not capt by the government.

why no flooring?... it is appearently a true market economy. it generally tends on the target tennants and whether the place is aimed at long term rentals or shorter term rentals (up to 2 years (due to legal consequences if it is longer)

Ooww... Eric picked up some unwanted habits on that cruise, right? 🤪🤣

When I was still living in the Netherlands the cheaper apartments for rent were managed by huurcooperaties and you had to register to get an apartment offered. You get "points" according if you are single or in a family, working in or near the city, have a certain financial income, etc, etc. After a certain number of years you gather more points and so in a certain moment you get on top of the pile and you get a rental apartment offered and you can accept it or .. Not. After a few no's you end up on the bottom of the pile. Does that still exist? When I decided to divorce I had an apartment in 2 weeks. Usually you get to know the next renter and you can negotiate to leave your stuff for a amount of money or the next renter tells you to take out all your private stuff ;-)

@skizmo1905

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That is still how it works. You build up point based on waiting times (more people than houses, so you automatically get some form of a list), but sometimes this process can be sped up based on certain personal issues and you can be moved up on that list.

@RealConstructor

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In the eighties and nineties I was on the waiting list for a rental home, the only thing I could afford. I waited for 11 years (since my 18th birthday) but still wasn’t on the top of the list so I bought an apartment somewhat above my financial capacity. I didn’t get the whole purchase sum financed with a mortgage and all my savings were needed to buy my first home, an apartment. It ment I couldn’t go on holiday for a decade, all my holiday pay went to top off my mortgage. I lived in that apartment for 22 years. I’m living in my third property now and I never rented, eventually it did me good. But life would have been so much easier if I could have gotten a rental apartment when I was twenty something.

This is a syndrom from all Coffee shops in the Netherlands 👍🏼👍🏻 Just buy some smoke from the Coffee shops and pufff you don't need Floors 🌍👀 Sorry for my english i am swede ❤️🇸🇪❤️

Unapolstered is for long-term (lifetime) lets. They don't want the new renter to have any deconstruction costs. Apolstered is for medium-term lets. For a couple of years. You can change the floors etc only with permission of the landlord. Furnished is for short-stay. Few months or max 2 years. The further you go down this line, the easier it is to evict the renter.

@patrickgrimbergen7891

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Unapolstered you also have to take the stone-tiles from the garden btw.

People rent apartments/houses for the long haul: you may expect to live there 10 years or more. Most flooring is "vloerbedekking" or floor covering: comparatively cheap carpet that you'd want new. Someone else's 8 year used carpet (in particular if they had many kids/pets) will not be something that you'd like to have. So rather than having a fight with renters about the state or their "vloerbedekking", it's yours and you're responsible. Also, when moving from place to place, it is not uncommon to bring the vloerbedekking along. As student, I was thankful to take over my parent's high-quality 1970s era purple, green and orange vloerbedekking. Just a day on your knees to fit and cut, and you're done.

It's simple. Flooring is personal. And not cheap. And it's a game between renters, landlords and next renters. Formally, when a renter rented an apartment without flooring they must remove their own flooring when they leave. If they don;t do that, then the landlord will do it for them and charge the costs to their safety deposit. As the removal of a floor may be a commercial hourly rate and all associated costs, this can become rather expensive. This then also drives the bargaining between the current renter and the next. The current renter may want money for their precious flooring and the next may really like it but not want to pay for it. Generally this ends up in the current renter taking it all out, either bringing it to the municipal waste station or trying to sell it elsewhere. If you look at the German market, then you'll see you need to bring your own kitchen and cupboards , etc. too.

Regarding the flooring… it does not make sense but I have accepted carpets an end up with fleas… also not nice…

You guys can't put in your own flooring yourself ? Love your vids.

I absolutely do agree, this is stupid and mindblowing.... this flooring thing in the Netherlands. However, in Germany people take their kitchen with them, so rental places in Germany come without kitchen..... weird but true....

Dutch landlord here; Flooring is extra money and materials are a bit more expensive here than in the US. So why taking the risk? You would be supprised what people do with your flooring... Sadly enough. Enough bad experiences to not give flooring ;) And the other thing; not letting your flooring stay in the place eventhough the previous renter gives it for free? Pretty simple, say it isnt put in correctly and someone falls? Who is liable? Me or the previous tenant? Sadly enough me. And another thing, which sadly enough happens, say that there is trash under the flooring for example and now it will stay there rot nice down there? ;) You would be supprised what you would find... Also from perfectly looking renters... And the last thing; we dont have to make the properties look more appealing, there is a way bigger demand than supply of rental properties in the Netherlands.

It's a liability thing. Everything that is attached to the house (`nagelvast`) is the responsibility of the owner. This causes issues because renters as a rule experience maintenance inside the house as invasive and I have seen apartments where the occupants denied the workers access on multiple occasions and young people would think it came straight from Victorian times - no bath, no shower, the tiniest kitchen you ever saw. Additionally there is a rule that states you are not allowed to have hard surface flooring in apartments because this is the major reason for complaints about noise, so this always will have to come out even if the next renter is willing to buy it from you. Of course they can't actually stop you from installing such flooring, but then the responsibility is yours.

Hallo lovely people , when moving with the help of family or friends there is always one object people are passing in a great cicle , the washing machine . Groetjes