This is it! This is the video that has finally chipped this concept through the dense eggshell that is my brain!

@Atlas_V_official

2 жыл бұрын

Same

@RavenYan

2 жыл бұрын

saME

@thespritewithin

4 ай бұрын

This video is wrong within the first min and a half. While G is the dom of C, D is not the dom of F. E is not the dom of Eb. The entire principle of this video is based on really flawed and bad math. This video objectively doesn't make sense.

@almscurium

3 ай бұрын

@@thespritewithinthat is just not how it works, it is a reflection around the middle of the circle of fifths. The circle of fifths is created out of each notes dominant, not the negative counterpart. Very disappointed in you young man

@n1te

3 ай бұрын

​@@thespritewithindang, I used to think music is art, but I see there's a lot of science to it too... This makes me more intrigued..

I love watching videos about theory that goes way over my head because it makes me seem smart

This is fantastic. For a while I have been thinking about that "axis" between C and G that Jacob mentioned, and I couldn't understand WHAT is was dividing. I concluded that you would take the interval between C and the other note(for example, an E) and then use that same interval on descending fashion starting from G. In this case, E would become Eb. It doesn't work every single time, but it works enough to get me really confused. This video really helped to clarify things. Thank you.

@xxxxxx-yw7sh

Жыл бұрын

Thanks so much for this comment. I finally understand the axis now.

@Pillowpetlover

Жыл бұрын

I'm glad you find this topic interesting! The "axis" between C and G that you mentioned is actually a concept in music theory known as the Circle of Fifths. It's a circular arrangement of the 12 pitch classes, or notes, in Western music. The Circle of Fifths is divided into two sections: the sharp keys on the right side and the flat keys on the left side. The notes on the right side have sharps in their key signatures, while the notes on the left side have flats in their key signatures. The relationship between C and G on the Circle of Fifths is that they are a perfect fifth apart. Moving clockwise around the circle, each new key is a perfect fifth higher than the previous one. For example, from C to G is a perfect fifth, from G to D is another perfect fifth, and so on. Now, when it comes to the intervals between specific notes within a key, things can get a bit more complicated. While the Circle of Fifths can help you determine the key signatures, it doesn't directly determine the intervals between individual notes. To determine the intervals between notes within a key, you need to consider the specific scale or mode you're working with. In the case of the major scale, which is the most common scale in Western music, the intervals between consecutive notes are typically a combination of whole steps (W) and half steps (H). The pattern for a major scale is: W-W-H-W-W-W-H, where W represents a whole step and H represents a half step. So, if we take the example you mentioned, starting with C and moving up a perfect fifth to G, the notes within the G major scale would be G-A-B-C-D-E-F#. The interval between E and F# is actually a half step, not a whole step. It's important to note that while the Circle of Fifths provides a helpful framework for understanding key relationships, the specific intervals between notes within a key depend on the scale or mode being used. Different scales and modes have different interval patterns, which can lead to variations in the intervals between specific notes. I hope this clarifies the concept for you! Let me know if you have any more questions.

@LehJake

Жыл бұрын

​@@Pillowpetlover dude why did you even bother throwing this into an AI

@althealligator1467

7 ай бұрын

_I'm copy and pasting this from my comment on this video because I think it'll provide a pretty good explanation of what you're talking about:_ TL;DR: Negative Harmony is only one way out of many of applying the same principle of symmetry, but not the simplest one, as the diatonic scale is already symmetrical to begin with. Something I find really funny is that Negative Harmony is not the most straightforward way of finding the image of a musical structure (set of notes). See, any diatonic key is symmetrical around one specific axis, which means that you can find the image of a structure in the same key as that structure. Negative Harmony uses the axis of another key rather than the original key. If you look at the major scale (ionian mode), the formula is: W-W-H-W-W-W-H (W being whole steps and H being half steps) Well, because of octave equivalency, the scale loops back upon itself endlessly; it's circular, not linear. Well the series of intervals which makes up the distonic scale is symmetrical around one axis, like so: H-W-W-W-H-W | W-H-W-W-W-H If you were to continue the pattern on both sides, it would always be symmetrical, or you could just draw it on a circle containing all twelve chromatic notes. Every single chromatic note has an image around this axis: • 2 | 2 • #1/b2 | b3/#2 • 1 | 3 • 7 | 4 • #6/b7 | b5/#4 • 6 | 5 • #5/b6 | b6/#5 (with reference to the ionian mode) Well then every chord in the diatonic scale already has an image that is diatonic to the scale: • vi | I • V | ii • IV | iii • vii° | vii° (with reference to the ionian mode) You can actually find the image of any chord, even chromatic ones. But because of how symmetry works, you will always find the exact same image even if you use another axis than the one that is diatonic to the key, albeit in a different key; this is what Negative Harmony does as we'll get to later. If the idea with Negative Harmony is that the image of a chord has the same function because it has the same interval relationships, then this has super interesting implications concerning diatonic chord functions as opposed to how they've always traditionally been viewed. The really important bit is how it affects chord functions. This all implies that the ii chord has the same function as the V chord, a "tense" chord. But in traditional theory, the ii chord isn't a tense dominant function chord, it's an unresolved but not very tense subdominant function chord, like the IV chord. The symmetry of the scale completely contradicts this. I think looking at the notes which compose each chord helps here. We can assign a function to each of these notes, and notes that are the images of each other have the same function. This gives us four distinct note functions within the diatonic scale: • 7 and 4 are the obvious place to start as they drive the entire harmony of the scale. They're tense and unresolved, specifically because of their relationship to each other, which is that of a dissonant tritone. They're the leading tones. • 1 and 3 are the points of resolution of that dissonant tritone. They form a consonant major third that is the symmetrical (and stepwise) resolution from this tritone, and actually the only possible symmetrical resolution for a tritone. • 6 and 5 are the completion notes. They complete the resolved major third into a stable triad, aka a major or minor chord. 6 turns the third into a minor chord (vi = 6-1-3), and 5 turns the third into a major chord (I = 1-3-5). • 2 is the neutral note. It's not particularly dissonant, but it's also not resolved as it's not part of the two resolved triads. It's just there. You'll notice that if we remove the leading tones from the diatonic scale, we get the pentatonic scale, which is always stable; 2 is the only note there that isn't part of a major or minor chord. It's just... there... minding its own business. Well, chords that are the image of each other share the same formula, which is why they have the same function: • I and vi are the resolved chords, as they are both composed of both points of resolution (1 and 3) and one completion note (5 or 6). They only contain resolved notes. • V and ii are the tense chords, as they are composed of a leading tone (7 or 4), a completion note (5 or 6), and the neutral note (2). The only part of them that is resolved is a completion note, which isn't even a point of resolution, and then they have a leading tone which is very tense and unresolved, and the neutral note which is not very tense but still not resolved. These chords are honestly not that tense until you make the tritone explicit by playing V7 or ii6, because otherwise they're just stable triads that are only _contextually_ unstable. • iii and IV are kind of in-between chords, partly resolved and partly unresolved. They are composed of a point of resolution (3 or 1), a completion note (5 or 6), and a leading tone (7 or 4). Part of them is resolved, which dilutes their tension, but they still have a leading tone which makes them definitely unresolved. • vii° is super tense because no part of it is resolved, unlike the other tense chords which had a completion note. It has both leading tones (7 and 4) and the neutral note (2), and unlike the other tense chords, it isn't a stable triad (major or minor) but is an unstable diminished triad which lacks that stable perfect fifth and instead has an unstable diminished fifth (which is made up of both leading tones, explaining why they're so tense). So the image of each chord has the same function, even chromatic chords, which means that the image of any chord progression will always have the same functional structure. This means for example that the image of a 2-5-1 is 5-2-6 (which can always be viewed as b7-4-1 if that helps), and if we look at all the variations of that: • diatonic major 2-5: ii-V-I | V-ii-vi • parallel minor 2-5: ii-V-i | V-ii-VI • "diatonic" minor 2-5: vii°-III-vi | vii°-iv-I • parallel major 2-5: vii°-III-VI | vii°-iv-i • diatonic backdoor 2-5: ii-V-vi | V-ii-I • major backdoor 2-5: ii-V-VI | V-ii-i Again, 5-2-6 can always be viewed as b7-4-1. By convention, the V always has to be major in a 2-5-1, so to match that, the ii always has to be minor in a 5-2-6; more specifically, to match the V7, you need a ii6. So a chain of dominants becomes a chain of minor 6s. Lastly, a tritone substitution, which is bII7 instead of V7, becomes #v6 instead of ii6 (which is what was said in the video as well, because again you find the same image but in a different key using Negative Harmony). This is super fun to experiment with, and you should find that it functions exactly like 2-5-1s do, as in it tonicizes keys just as unambiguously. Again, the images we find here are the same as with Negative Harmony, only this time they're in the same key rather than another key. With Negative Harmony, you get the exact same result, but in the key of the bIII chord (the parallel minor) rather than the... well, the I chord. In fact, you can find the image of a chord progression relative to literally any axis of symmetry, and you will always find the same result (which is not surprising as that's just how symmetry works). Interestingly, though, the image you find will always be in the key that is symmetrical _on the circle of fifths_ to the key of the I, relative to the key whose axis you were using. Now that sounds very confusing because there are two different symmetries going on at once, but if you look at the circle of fifths: C F G Bb D Eb A Ab E Db B Gb/F# (I spent way too long trying to make that look like a circle, hopefully it comes out right for you lol) Let's say we're playing a chord progression diatonic to C, for example C-G-Am-F which is I-V-vi-IV, and we decide to find its image relative to the axis of symmetry of the key of C. The result will, unsurprisingly, be diatonic to C, and it'll be Am-Dm-C-Em which is vi-ii-I-iii in C. Nothing new here. But let's say we want to find its image relative to the axis of the key of G, then what? Well we find Bm-Em-D-F#m, which is iii-vi-V-vii in G, but way more importantly, vi-ii-I-iii in the key of D. It's the exact same result, the same chord progression as before, only this time it's in the key D rather than C. But if you look back to the circle of fifths, D is the image of C relative to G. So this is a new symmetry we're talking about, not the same as before; this one is the symmetry of two keys or notes relative to a key or note on the circle of fifths, as opposed to the symmetry of notes relative to an axis in the diatonic scale like before. And you'll find that this is always true; no matter which key's axis you invert relative to, you will always get the same image (in this instance the image of I-V-vi-IV is always vi-ii-I-iii), but every time, it'll be in a different key, that key being the image of the original key on the circle of fifths relative to the key whose axis you used. Coincidentally, keys that are a tritone away share the same axis of symmetry, so in this instance, if you used the axis of Db, which is a tritone away from G, you'd get the same result in the key of D. The real kicker is that Negative Harmony finds the image like this but (if we're in C) using the axis of the key that is between F and Bb, and coincidentally the axis of the key that is between E and B (so the axis of D half flat, which is the same as the axis of G half sharp), so that the result is in the key of Eb.

@slapmyfunkybass

Ай бұрын

I’ve studied arrangement, orchestration and composition and think this is the most confusing, useless and overrated concept I’ve ever come across.

Glad theres a video out there now demystifying negative harmony. About maybe 5 years back I had the idea of how to make a video called "negative harmonic equivalents in under 10 seconds," explaining the circle of fifths and axis extremely efficiently, but i had never posted on youtube before so never got around to it. It really bugged me that it was such a simple concept and there were all these really daunting 20 minite videos that explained it but not simply. But this video here will certainly do for those young and interested!

I absolutely love the 4m6 chord resolving to the tonic but ive never thought of it as a (negative) dominant chord ! How interesting

@sacredlunatic

2 жыл бұрын

It's literally just a plagal cadence. "Negative Harmony" is reinventing the wheel.

@charlottemarceau8062

2 жыл бұрын

Its good to invent wheels isn't it? (By wheels i mean ways of thinking about chords and function) If I'm understanding it they are just saying the plagal cadence contains the same intervalic tensions as the dominant-tonic cadence but inverted?

@charlottemarceau8062

2 жыл бұрын

(Is a plain plagal cadence a m6 chord - tonic even? I always thought of it as just 4-1?)

@jadenlothes5001

2 жыл бұрын

@@charlottemarceau8062 A plagal cadence is just defined be the IV-I motion, it doesn't need any m6 stuff or anything

@charlottemarceau8062

2 жыл бұрын

Right exactly

I don’t necessarily here major as happy or minor as sad anymore, it’s all about context. I used to before I became the musician I am today but I like to think of harmony in terms of brightness/color now. But yeah totally agree with what you say here!

From popping up in my recommendations for weeks with some weird short clips, you finally got my subscription sir, keep it up

@GeorgeCollier

2 жыл бұрын

it took weeks to subscribe?!?

Man this amazing. I hope to see more like this from you

It’s also negative because the fifths follow from the overtones of the root, whereas the fourth is reciprocal; it contains the root as an overtone but the root does not contain it. Fourths are cool that way. So in the cadence Collier plays, it’s a full reciprocal cadence, which is a whole other beast. Harmonic Experience by W.A. Mathieu really does this concept (and way more) justice. Love your videos btw, keep on keeping on! ❤

Great video!! Please keep making more videos like this

This makes a lot more sense now, thanks

Love all your videos. Great work.

Great video! Love these videos

You’ve earned a subscriber from this. You’ve explained these things so well

Very well worded and simple to understand. Nice :)

@macmusica

Жыл бұрын

It's false as it is not for all Chords. He conned you.

Thanks for explanation! Very nice!!!

Thank you so much!!!

This is brilliant!

This video raises more questions than answers for me

I haven't asked for it but I'm really proud that I've seen it!

nice and clear, thank you ! 🙂

Thanks for the content

Ernst Levy's concept of flipping intervals isn't new. It's been in the Western music toolkit since the Renaissance. But it is nice to see more people using these sequences, as V7-I has been so dominant in Western classical style. Probably the most common place to find nice IVm6-I cadences would be in blues, broadway, gospel, and jazz.

Thats is an interesting theory!

appreciate the explanation!

I enjoyed this. I think you should make more explanatory videos like this instead of just exclusively educational transcriptions. Also, it's pretty cool to hear your voice.

@GeorgeCollier

2 жыл бұрын

not my voice unfortunately

@Loveday-mt4en

3 ай бұрын

Until proven otherwise, I'm sticking to my hunch that you and Jacob Collier are one and the same 😂😂

@Burnerlug

Ай бұрын

​​@@Loveday-mt4en exactly what I've always thought!

This is like acoustic quantum physics. I love it

@peaelle42

11 ай бұрын

are you certain?

@therubiconian392

11 ай бұрын

@@peaelle42 I’m certain it’s uncertain.

@static7985

6 ай бұрын

in that case, it must be certain as well.

@commentingchannel9776

3 ай бұрын

Nah, that would be microtonality Things analogous to "negative harmony" have surely existed at least since the late 19th century; there is little we don't know about how to use harmony in 12-TET, whether it be in the most consonant or atonal registers.

@therubiconian392

3 ай бұрын

@@commentingchannel9776 the aspect I was drawing an analogy to was that of an inverse quantum operator in the quantum harmonic oscillator problem. But sure, belittle my comment that I appreciated art in a subjective manner…

Thanks for this video, it helps me understand music :D finally xd

Terrific !!

I understand everything until about 1:02; 1) How does the harmonic axis lie between E/Eb in the key of C? Are you moving down from dominant in the same manner as you move up from the tonic (i.e. two whole steps, so technically out of the scale for the dominant every time)? 2) How then does the harmonic axis in the key of C being E/Eb lead to G becoming C and Bb becoming A? Is the rule to find the negative counterpart then that you move down three whole steps from the harmonic axis? Thanks so.much!

Finally understand how to find the negative harmony, thank u

The frustrating thing about Jacob when he explains things is he unnecessarily embellishes things. You can argue all day about the complexity in his music, but playing E A D G C really plainly before embellishing the hell out of the plagal version really doesn't help people to listen critically and actually understand the point he's making. There is a difference between teaching and performing and a lot of teachers get that wrong.

@_the_concestor_8185

2 жыл бұрын

Totally agree. I love Jacob, but I have noticed that this is a theme in his teaching. He doesn’t necessarily compare apples to oranges, but it wouldn’t be a stretch to say he compares apples to apple pies. I know there are so many wonderful things going on inside his head, but just the plain, unadorned example would be nice sometimes.

@arosonomy

2 жыл бұрын

As a pianist I can follow his fingers AND hear what he's doing. Perhaps don't start with negative harmony, Microtonality, or Jacob Collier until you've trained your ear more?

@_the_concestor_8185

2 жыл бұрын

@arosonomy I understand this viewpoint, but I think what cannot be ignored here is that Jacob markets himself to anyone who is interested in music - not just those at a highly advanced level. This isn’t to lambast in any way, simply to criticise constructively.

@Mejoree113

2 жыл бұрын

@@arosonomy oh I understand what he's Showing, I'm a teacher myself, that's why I watch these kinds of videos. There's no need to be so snobby about it. My point is, if he attempted to make E A D G C sound good using extensions and embellishments, the difference wouldn't be so stark, and if he just played the changes as individual chords his point would be much clearer. If you're teaching/demonstrating then your #1 goal should be demonstrating a point clearly, not playing as many notes as you can.

@arosonomy

2 жыл бұрын

@@_the_concestor_8185 That's a fair observation, but this isn't one of his videos. His videos appear to be marketed towards *musicians*. Unless you have a fundamental understanding of music theory. 90% of what he's talking about will not make sense. That being said, a vast majority of people watching theory videos don't understand it at all and just think it's interesting to try and learn (like my fondness for etymology). I wouldn't recommend Jacob Collier for a beginner. I've been playing for 20 years and I see how most of this WORKS but putting it into practice and composing original material is still challenging.

“1 minute music theory” 4 minutes long

@ryanwoods6925

3 ай бұрын

What a fraud

@mrlionishere3505

3 ай бұрын

🤓

@Sharpened_Spoon

3 ай бұрын

0:40 to 1:40

@Bassdude79

3 ай бұрын

Person in the comments saying ""1 minute music theory" 4 minutes long" 4 minutes and 31 seconds long

@1nfius948

3 ай бұрын

Nah, it's a compilation of 4 episodes

Thank you

MY GOD, ITS SOUNDS SOOOO GOOD AT 2:19

Ty for sharing this I learned something new today (:

well done

some quality content

good video !

Gonna use this as a reference for my A Cappella arrangements next year 🤪

Damn. That's a good video

Interesting AF

I want to learn more about music, and this is helping me

Man, I love the video, I am really curious what kind of software did you use to make this kind of video (also like the swing video)?

It’s interesting how the minor 6 shows up here, it’s an integral chord in the Barry Harris system too which thinks of harmony in a very different but sensible way in comparison to what’s actually taught everywhere.

1:56 I never noticed you can actually hear a descending major outline (mi mi re re do) in the bright chord progression and a descending minor outline (me me re do do) in the dark chord progression. I suppose that's a big part of why they feel bright or dark...

Another thing that’s very important, resolution in negative harmony doesn’t only flip the dominant chord, but also the tonic if equal tension is to be preserved. ivm6 resolving to a Imaj is strong, but in the same way of a V7 resolving to a im. There is strength, but none of the tritone collapsing to a major third that is so prominent in a V7 to Imaj. To preserve this, you can flip both chords into their negative equivalents, making it a ivm6 into a im, with the tritone between the minor third and major sixth resolving to the major third between the minor third and perfect fifth. This is a small change, but still an important one to mention, as in the key of C major, Fmi6 may be the negative equivalent of G7 but it’s resolution is not exactly of equal strength.

1:30 - Each chord is spelt from the bottom up or the top down of the triad. The triad is important because it is composed of the root (identity / first overtone), the third (tonal color / fourth overtone), and fifth (dominant / second overtone). The root provides key, while the fifth provides an authentic cadence - a resolution from the first unfinished partial. The third can be reversed between major and minor through inverting the spelling, which is what negative harmony asks for. I (major tonic) upside down changes from one major third and perfect fifth upward to one major third and perfect fifth downward. V7 (the dominant chord) upside down changes from one major third and minor seventh built upward from the fifth to one major third and minor seventh built downward from the tonic’s root, forming an ii°7 or iv6. Plagal chords are formed below the tonic, because acoustically a fourth is utonal or “undertonal” and is a reversal of a fifth (otonal/overtonal). Undertones are simply inversions of overtones. Instead of the harmonic arising from integer multiples of the fundamental frequency, it arises from integer multiples of the FF’s inverse, the wavelength. The first five overtones are at the octave, perfect fifth, major third, harmonic seventh, and major ninth (ignoring duplicates), while the first five undertones are at the octave below, perfect fifth below, major third below, harmonic seventh below, and major ninth below… which when inverted into upward intervals (the way sounds are heard), creates the octave, perfect fourth, minor sixth, septimal major second, and minor seventh. Indeed these two series together form a 7/9 chord on the tonic and a m6 chord on the subdominant. Further extension of both series reveals a partial at another quintal degree, the augmented fourth which inverts to the diminished fifth, and the augmented fifth, which inverts to the diminished fourth. The scale most adjacent up to the augmented fourth partial is the Lydian dominant scale, and down to the diminished fifth the Dorian b2 scale. Those scales are notable by the way as the LD scale is a sort of integration of the major dominant (Mixolydian) with the major subdominant (Lydian), and Dorian b2 is LD’s relative minor scale, built in thirds directly below. Dorian b2 integrates minor subdominant (Dorian) harmony with minor dominant (Phrygian) harmony. Indeed this makes them negatives of each other. Lydian & Phrygian, and Mixolydian & Dorian, also each form negative pairs respectively. Adding in the augmented fifth and diminished fourth though creates scales akin to the Lydian augmented and Locrian modes, which supports them as negatives of each other too. Locrian doesn’t have a negative in its parent scale, as it lacks a perfect fifth. Likewise with Lydian augmented. One can be thought of as a more unstable version of Aeolian b5, and the other as a more unstable version of Ionian #4, also known as Lydian. Both can be thought of as hyperextensions of the major and minor tonalities, resulting in dissonance where brightness or darkness is no longer tenably created. This to me also corresponds with my understanding of the diminished triad as negative to the augmented triad. The diminished seventh chord probably negates to a +7 chord, which can be formed through the whole tone scale. That the diminished seventh and minor seventh are enharmonic to the major sixth and augmented sixth probably helps my claim too. Going back to the diagram… IV as major is more of a Western sound, as other cultures tend to use the b6 more than in Western music, as well as the b2 as opposed to the leading seventh and augmented fourth. In juxtaposition with the leading seventh, the b6 creates a sublime sense of tonal urgency which is compatible with a minor tonic (harmonic minor) as much as with a major tonic (harmonic major). It does however correspond well with the major pentatonic scale, which is extremely instinctive in its construction (most will default to singing in it). The IVmaj7 and v7 chords as well as the Imaj9 and i7(b13) chords form negative pairs… indeed the first two arise as sort of neutralizations of the more harmonically potent iv6 and V7, while the last two form sounds essential to the Ionian and Aeolian modes. ii6/7 and bVII6/7 match well as one works as Dorian b2 (minor supertonic) and the other as Lydian dominant (major subtonic). Indeed these two are essential to the melodic minor (Ionian b3) and melodic major (Aeolian dominant) modes respectively. The bIII is opposite to the vi for fairly easy to grasp reasons, as the bIII is relative major of the tonic, while the vi is relative minor of the tonic. This is contextual though, namely it only works in an Ionian-Aeolian context. In fact all of the chords listed at the timestamp do. Dorian has a øvi, but the negative of Dorian is Mixolydian. Dorian, like melodic major, is a symmetric scale though - which also makes it a true androgyne between major and minor - and thus negative harmony can be a bit unwieldy or paradoxical for it, as the reversal of its notes from the tonic root on is itself. It’s perhaps best to look at negative harmony as perspective rather than law… but it does have its axioms. The negative of a bIII+ (as found in Ionian b3) is likely a vi° (as found in Dorian)… but what is the negative of a viø9, as found in Ionian b3? Well I guess since a viø9 is just a m6maj7 chord in inversion, it would have to be the I7b13. Likewise then, the viø7 in Dorian, being an inversion of i6, translates to a negative of I7 inverted, which is simply bVII#11. This does in fact correspond with Dorian and Mixolydian as negatives. And indeed modally they resolve downward to I and upward to vi respectively. The tonicizations of them resolve to each other though, one downward to V and the other upward to i: melodic minor (Ionian b3) resolves down to melodic major (Aeolian dominant/Mixolydian b6), which in turn resolves back up to melodic minor. And adding further harmonic weight by adding a b6 or a #7 creates harmonic minor and harmonic major, which are separate scales that are negatives of each other: melodic minor with a b6 is harmonic minor; melodic major with a #7 is harmonic major.

@tsg_frank5829

2 жыл бұрын

This is interesting, but also incredibly lengthy

@gillianomotoso328

2 жыл бұрын

@@tsg_frank5829 Fair point lol

@konroh2

Жыл бұрын

@@gillianomotoso328 Are you able to sit at the piano and come up with interesting harmonies and chord progressions based on your theory knowledge? I'd like some examples of a good chord progression or harmony.

@BjornMinou

2 ай бұрын

Wow!

I like it when the music plays

good vid :)

I like this video :)

I worked out the missing III chord you omitted from 01:27 and it seems like the III chord doesn't follow the same rules of 'extensions' (minor seventh to major sixth, and major seventh to minor sixth) When 'reversed', the usual diatonic minor III chord will turn flat VI major chord. So a simple E minor will turn into A flat major chord. Don't get me wrong, that's 🌶️. But if you add another seventh interval to the III minor chord, it will turn into a IV minor 7 (minor seventh chord), so an Em7 chord will become Fm7, disregarding the 'extensions' rule. That naughty III chord is so badass 😎

@matankesselman456

7 ай бұрын

Does it not just become a bVI6? (Ab6 in C)

@janTasita

3 ай бұрын

That still fits into that rule, it's just that Fm7 and Ab6 are the same set of notes.

I’m kind of loss for understanding it’s practical use, it seems really hard to digest it in a way that I can use despite showing examples, surely there are faster ways to using it. A more in depth video on analysis of negative harmony and practical use would be amazing!

Jacob is a musical sage

nice

This is the first time I’ve heard you talk.

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You could explain “dissonant counterpoint “, ie what one obtains the forbidden steps in Fux’ counterpoint.

A few weeks ago I attended a masterclass with Steve Coleman in Italy, Modena, and on the second day he starts talking about negative harmony. It was interesting because his weird way to explain it (I only happen to understand something about it after watching this 4 minutes video that made me understand much more than that 2 days-jazz masterclass) was by flipping the chord construction on the piano. E.g: he was builiding a normal chord (let's say G7) with stack 3rd intervals from left to right (so G B D F) and then constructing the equivalent negative chord by calculating the exact same intervals starting from the tonic but this time calculating them from right to left (in this case it would be, from right to left, G Eb C A), resulting infact in a C-6 inversion. This is really weird to me, not only because it contrast what I just saw on this video, but also because this way of visualizing it on the piano inverting the chords wasn't even mentioned in the video. @Georgecollier I would like to know your opinion about this

@Sum0fNothing

3 ай бұрын

I like that way of explaining it intervallically. It's interesting though, you're right, the mechanisms of that would almost always cause an inversion in the resulting chord

Two things. The whole labeling of chord tones and chords in the diatonic system is based a mirror relationship to the tonic. In other words, the subdominant is the dominant underneath the tonic, the subtonic is a step below the tonic, and so on. And secondly, this seems as another source of substitute chords, as an occasional interesting diversion. PS This may be just another labeling for things we already know. The F-6 chord is so close to the tritone substitution for G7, Db7.

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Hi, i have a question If you want to reflect something that's in a minor key(e.g. Cm), do you reflect it according to it's relative major (Eb) or the tonal centre (i.e. C)?

@shredfix1993

Жыл бұрын

I'd suggest fucking around and finding out😂

I play on a Striso (midi controller/synth using the DCompose isomorphic layout) created by @pierstitusvandertorren7068 . If I set the pivot point between the I and V, (just above and to the right of the C for the key of C), and turn my board upside down, and pivot my starting note or chord around the pivot point, I then play the exact same physical patterns and get the negative. This is awesome! As an experiment, I played Leaves on the Vine (the song Uncle Iroh sings for his son). and it feels so different, yet has similar tension and release (though ending with notes going up, which feels unresolved, like it's asking a question).

In that "Tension" sheet music at 1:50, you write G F# G followed by a G# and a G natural. Since we are in C, I'm wondering what the theoretical reasoning is behind viewing that as a #5 rather than a b6? To my ears, it really has a b6 feel to it in this context, especially with the G natural being on both sides of it. What makes it a #5 rather than a b6 here?

@fitwesdaily

2 жыл бұрын

I'm guessing the convention is to combine sharps and flats as little as possible. Since he just used a sharp, then he should continue to use sharps unless it becomes absolutely necessary to use a flat.

@fitwesdaily

2 жыл бұрын

Also, I get why you would think he should use a flat, to preserve the distinction in lettering as much as possible like we do with all scales, but following that logic, it would imply that the scale he's using contains F#, G, and Ab, which is unlikely to be his intention. It makes sense to allow for the most equal dispersion of same-lettered notes as possible across the twelve tones. So if there's F#, that implies that there's two notes named F; therefore, there should be two notes named G if one of them is a black note, which is the case.

I'm trying to do sometime similar on guitar currently.

Weird, but I heard so many progressions like these when I listened to my parents hippy music. Wonderful and kid of exiting stuff for sure, but not really new to me though and I think not new for the average contemporary music composer too.

Would you need to rotate the circle of 5ths around the key center in order for the translated relationships to be truly negative to that key?

@GeorgeCollier

2 жыл бұрын

For example if F was the key centre the harmonic axis would lie between F and C so the visual would rotate around by 1 and the new pairs could be seen.

@NathanAMeyers

2 жыл бұрын

@@GeorgeCollier thanks GC

My old main musical chord theory is that only major chords are musical at all, minors are not. Disregarding octave shifts as pure arbitrary frequency shifts by factors of 2 (either dividing or multiplying by 2), any major chord consists of a base frequency, a 3 times as high (the "fifth") and a 5 times as high frequency (the "3rd"). This fits well into the natural harmonics spectrum. Minor chords with their "degraded 3rd" do not fit my scheme of harmonics.

btw: I tried clicking the link for the Qwest Masterclass, but it links to youtube studio and looks like an edit page for the video (for your channel, I just get a broken link "Oops, something went wrong.")

I enjoyed the video, but found the audio for the chords a little low. They sound like they are an octave or more below the notes shown (or maybe just doubled down an octave). The tightly clustered notes in the lower register sound muddled and unclear. Playing just the notes shown (with perhaps just the root doubled down an octave) would make it a lot easier to hear the harmonic effects you are talking about.

@RevancedDrWP

2 жыл бұрын

Definitely. I would love to hear more open, spread out chords

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Great video! So does it mean, that Thom Yorke used negative harmony in No surprises? I mean, it goes D - Gm6 - D And as I understand Gm6 is a negative A7

@gillianomotoso328

2 жыл бұрын

It actually goes F - Bbm6/7 :) The bridge goes C - Bbm6/7 and then Gm7 - Bbm6/7. I think he used a harmonic major backdrop for the song (Aeolian with a major seventh chord as tonic), and in that maybe there was an understanding of reversing the polarity of the harmony. The strictest reversal of it would be Fm - C9, then Bbm - C7, followed by Eb6 - C9. I almost would say this doesn’t help much, because harmonic minor and harmonic major are negatives of each other that happen to be very similar, but C9 is actually found in melodic minor, not harmonic minor. Recognizing that Ionian and Aeolian are negatives helps too. You’ll notice that the b7 of the key is played up until the bridge. This is a borrowing from natural minor into major. The major dominant (C7) in the bridge is the slightest burst of joy that is negative to the Bb6/7. Likewise that Gm7 introduces a moment of that major sixth in Ionian, but it is eclipsed again by the sink of the Bb6/7.

@massacomqueijo2023

2 жыл бұрын

@@gillianomotoso328 Thanks a lot for explaining! It turned out to be way more complicated :)

@gillianomotoso328

2 жыл бұрын

@@massacomqueijo2023 Hehe, I think it definitely is by default. It helps to remember that in negative harmony, the intervals and scales are spelt in reverse *from the top of the triad* … This means that the negative of each mode follows this sequence: Ionian Aeolian Dorian Mixolydian Phrygian Lydian Locrian Lydian Augmented (Locrian is a flat darker than Phrygian and Lydian Aug is a sharp brighter than Lydian) Melodic minor Melodic major (Mixolydian b6) Lydian dominant Dorian b2 Aeolian diminished Ionian augmented Harmonic major Harmonic minor Lydian minor Phrygian dominant And triads, tetrads, and pentads follow this: M m Maj7 mb13 (see Ionian & Aeolian) 7 mM6 mM7 majb13 (see harmonic minor & major) + (aug) ° (dim) or + + (see Lydian & Ionian augmented) ° + or ° 7 w/o 3rd (because a diminished chord is an inversion of a mM6 chord without its 5th) m7b5 7 in 1st inv. dim7 dim7 or dim7 +M7 9 mM6/7 (see mel. major & minor) 7b9 mM7#11 (see Lyd. minor & Phryg. Dom) M9 m9 (see Ionian & Aeolian) mM9 7b13 7#11 mM6b9

I dont think ivm6 is inherently timid or gentle, nor V7 inherently triumphant or loud. A ivm6 in barbershop is often very triumphant and loud, just for one example.

@gillianomotoso328

2 жыл бұрын

I think it’s the tendency. One tends to carry this sensation on its own, while the other tends to carry an opposite one. A V7 tends to have a bright intensity and urgency to it, while an iv6 tends to carry a solemn flow. Both have that tritone in them though, which begs the resolution.

@keysradiotheradio

2 жыл бұрын

@@gillianomotoso328 i think that speaks more to how these chords get used rather than their inherent properties. Like how certain words come in and out of popular vernacular.

@gillianomotoso328

2 жыл бұрын

@@keysradiotheradio But don’t you think there’s a cause for why people pick these vibrations to elicit what they wish to elicit? These are vibrations, not just words… I think there’s a difference between simple ligatures that are somewhat arbitrary in how they appear and physical ratios between rates of vibration

@gillianomotoso328

2 жыл бұрын

@@keysradiotheradio I have to believe there’s some underlying inherency to music… as much as we can recontextualize it, there’s something clearly universal about it to me.

@keysradiotheradio

2 жыл бұрын

@@gillianomotoso328 I agree that music is a universal language, but I don't agree with the broad generalizations made about the qualities of V7/iv6 chords. A V7 written by Beethoven does not have the same inherent non-theoretical properties as one written by Ellington, for example. Another example - the word "sick" can be used to describe something positive in current vernacular

спасибо за то, что обьяснил как работает колесо

The iv6 is actually a iim7b5 in 1st inversion, thus the tension.

Isn’t brighter clockwise and darker counterclockwise in the circle of fifths?? Or is it the opposite like you described in the video?

@E_Laternser

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, if you start from the left and go clockwise, it gets brighter. When you start right and go counter-clockwise it gets darker.

@GeorgeCollier

2 жыл бұрын

In the video I mentioned approaching from the brighter side of the circle of fifths (D -> G -> C). Brighter is associated with intervals of fifths and perfect cadences like this example, and darker is associated with fourths and plagal cadences. If you're building a chord, then going anticlockwise is darker and clockwise is brighter, as they are built on fourths and fifths respectively. But when we talk about darkness and brightness around the circle of fifths it refers to plagal and perfect movement.

Does the picture at 0:42 apply only to the key of C or is the negative of G always Fm? Also at 2:16, did Jacob just play Ab Eb Bb F C? None of it was clear after the E A D G C

@ItsDextrin

2 жыл бұрын

In this case the tonal center is C. You can replace each degree with scale degree numbers to apply to a different tonal keycenter

This was in fact not 1 minute but still good

Wouldn’t C major reflect to C minor? So if we reflected E7 A7 D7 G7 C around the axis it would be Fø7 Cø7 Gø7 Dø7 Cm (Or A♭m6 E♭m6 B♭m6 Fm6 Cm) instead of Fø7 Cø7 Gø7 Dø7 C. Jacob didn’t mention anything about flipping the final chord in his interview with June Lee so I was kind of confused like maybe he forgot to or something. Of course Dø7 resolving to Cmaj is the inverse of G7 resolving to Cm, but G7 C still inverts to Dø7 Cm. It kinda bugged my OCD but maybe you could help explain why he didn’t invert Cmaj to Cm.

@konroh2

Жыл бұрын

I think he did.

If we were in C Major in the video, does this mean that the seperation line would go to the right of - say - G in G Major?

Thanks for the video. 3:06 Chord Bbm. It is very interesting. If You flip notes in 1:16 "B" "Gb" becomes "Db" And it is not in the scale. But here it is in Bbm in 3:06. it is not correspond with rotation around C|G Db/Gb axis. Where is the catch?

cool!, every body must read Palindromes 1 and 2 From "The book of movements " colection

Note that a prerequisite for this video is an understanding of right-side-up functional harmony.

what about non diatonic chords? say Bb7#11 in key of C how would the dominant/tonic relationship work if notes are out with it

@konroh2

Жыл бұрын

Gillian Omotoso? Ask him.

I love how this is a 4 minute 30 second video with a title that says “1-minute”

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All major/minor triad possibilities should be covered but make sure to remember symmetric property (i.e. if looking for VI remember to read right to left as well) Major and Minor Scales Diatonic Triads I = i ii = bVII iii = bVI IV = v V = iv vi = bIII vii* = ii* Nondiatonic Triads bII = vii bii = VII II = bvii biii = VI III = bvi #IV = #iv #iv = #IV

What do you mean by "the hamonic axis lies between E flat and E" but the graphics has a line between C - G and Db - Gb?

@corduroyal8260

2 жыл бұрын

If you write the notes of the chromatic scale in order in a circle shape and then draw an axis which cuts between Eb and E to between Bb and A on the opposite side, this gives the same effect as the “C - G” axis, but with the notes arranged in order of the chromatic scale rather than in a circle of fifths. I may have explained that badly but hope it helps :)

@OnTheLeftHandSide

2 жыл бұрын

@@corduroyal8260 got it! Thank you for your clear explanation

What music is being played in the background?

I have no experience with music this video felt like I’m taking math, science, and english classes all at once.

Heeeey Joe!

so does the axis go between the tonic and the dominant or just through the tonic??? this video is so confusing because the clip with jacob collier contradicts your diagram

I try to stay positive.

Why negation axe is placed between C and G ?

I'm not sure I understood this. Is the iv-I cadence supposed to be "negative harmony"? I know this as a straightforward plagal cadence. Am I to understand positive harmony as authentic progressions and negative harmony as plagal ones? Someone that got this please shed some light.

what is that melody at 1:46 !! i hear it everywhere but ive never found what it's from please resolve my curse

@konroh2

Жыл бұрын

It's from an old song called "Shave and a haircut, two bits." But it's really just a classic jazz progression that was probably around a lot earlier than that.

Can u do a Dm line cliche flipped?

I don't understand. You said that a major chord's negative counterpart is a minor chord, so D major's counterpart should be D minor. But when I use that conversion chart, the opposite of D is F, the opposite of F# is C#, and the opposite of A is B flat. What am I missing?

what is/are the piece(s) in the background?