I like this guy. He's intelligent, not reactionary or myopic, and he's BEEN there.

@AN-cy7xm

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah...I don't claim to know what's really going on. It's just that I'm so tired of listening to people who claim to know the big picture just because they have some kind of knowledge of one particular aspect - and this guy (IMO) was somewhat thoughtful and not afraid to say "I don't know"...3 words that can be a possible signal that someone's got some intelligence. There's just so much stupidity these days...that's all.

@AN-cy7xm

5 жыл бұрын

@@erfanmoshtagh Yep, the US has continued to be on the wrong side of things in lots of places in lots of ways, no argument from me. My original comment was about this guest's willingness to say "I don't know" to complex policy questions rather than simply repeat ignorant, reactionary arguments that I've come to expect. That's all.

@TooEagerr

5 жыл бұрын

@@erfanmoshtagh do something about it then pussy quit bitching on youtube because no one here gives a fuck

@shawndonald78

5 жыл бұрын

Is a Usa bomb some type of ordnance I'm unaware of? Maybe don't hide weapons in schools and hospitals or stop using civilians as shields.

@shawndonald78

5 жыл бұрын

@Erfan Moshtagh What you say is true, but outright targeting schools and hospitals without cause and purposely killing civilians no.The whole world watched the Gulf War on every T.V news outlet live. Did every country just turn a blind eye to all the calculated civilian murdering the US was committing?

I wish these clips had the timestamps of the full podcast, so you can watch the podcast from where a clip ends. That’d make the main podcasts get way more views if jaime did that.

@jermf35

5 жыл бұрын

I'm just trying to find the main podcast

@Bolt99K

5 жыл бұрын

jermf35 kzread.info/dash/bejne/lK5lr8Osp5i3dNY.html

@flint-cut-stunner9196

5 жыл бұрын

Bolt hopefully jamie sees your comment man real shit

@JarthenGreenmeadow

5 жыл бұрын

I agree. Also a link to the clip prior could be nice

@Cultureking_23

5 жыл бұрын

John G no shit or bitching about his friends eating fucking cheese on the fight companion. Ease up Joe.

I hit my head downhill mountain biking, over the next year I starting talking out loud to myself, thinking people were following me and lost my job for constantly arguing. Brain injuries are no joke Thanks for all the likes guys and gals!

@wompbozer3939

5 жыл бұрын

Christophe C Ba-dum

@hamishgaffaney5323

5 жыл бұрын

It's really the worst, it happened to by brother hes never been the same, I don't even think he ever be able to live independently again, hope your doing ok

@dyslexiusmaximus

5 жыл бұрын

i saw someone crash at my local state downhill race and the guy hit his head so hard his body went into a seizure. when he woke up he didnt know where he was, what month or year it was and didn't know if he was in a relation ship or had children. if you're a mountain bike rider, BMXer, or skateboarder please buy the best most protective helmet you can afford.

@user-nj1zu2nf1x

5 жыл бұрын

Yea, I remember when I was doing too much acid too. Rough times

@therookie8895

5 жыл бұрын

Craig M bro. 💯

"geometry between their ears"....never heard that expression. Pretty neat

@randycarey4546

5 жыл бұрын

AGREED...a rather enlightening term..it was kinda refreshing...in a sick way

@pinkberryconsumer4059

5 жыл бұрын

Is soon and I mean seriously as soon as that Navy SEAL was saying geometry between the ears I was reading your comment almost word for word

@MrTomkat030

4 жыл бұрын

Yea us military guys have several different expressions for several different scenarios... to put it simpler for civies and less scary...

@DJSbros

4 жыл бұрын

The military is good at coming up with interesting sayings.

@ajcook7777

4 жыл бұрын

Neat? Wtf?

Blast pressures inside a building can be as much as 9 times higher than the same charge in the open. Blast pressure is no joke.

@twobyfour

5 жыл бұрын

There is lots of documentary evidence particularly from WW2, regarding blast lung ect. Troops killed without a mark on them.

@DJSbros

4 жыл бұрын

A good way of experiencing the massive difference is too shoot a weapon in doors and then outdoors.

@KillerAJ

4 жыл бұрын

R Snikwad Yup, that’s the reason Hitler survived the July 20 plot. It was a really hot day so the location of the meeting was changed from a concrete bunker to a hut with open windows. The blast from the explosives wasn’t strong enough to kill since there wasn’t an increased effect from being in a closed pressure system.

@samuelw4492

4 жыл бұрын

Shell shock

@26michaeluk

3 жыл бұрын

It's why grenades were so effective in house to house fighting in Iraq.

Andy is def one of the top 10 guests on this podcast. Much respect to Andy and Joe

When we did brain testing with Carrick Brain centers, our fighters who were vets scored by far the worst

@thellama3239

5 жыл бұрын

Dr. Beau Hightower Very cool, Thanks Kanye

@TheSpanky122

5 жыл бұрын

The Llama lmao 😂

@YPeezy

5 жыл бұрын

Stfu

@impossibleisjustanopinion9898

5 жыл бұрын

Chiropractor or masseuse' I need my neck twisted

@t4fseer935

5 жыл бұрын

Dr. Beau Hightower goodshouldn't be going to other countries and bombing democracy into them

Open your mouth and cover your ears is a perfect summary for our current civil discourse.

@Willam_J

5 жыл бұрын

Sean P - Dude, you nailed that one! #Truth

@zzbudzz

5 жыл бұрын

so true!

@leeweesquee

5 жыл бұрын

So poetic

@Aman-ft1vp

4 жыл бұрын

Men and women act like children because they never grow up or were never taught to behave like adults.

@josephquinto5812

3 жыл бұрын

Shut the fuck up.

I've heard a few spec op guys say they have something like "lack of traumatic experience disorder"... basically they feel like anything short of combat, hard core training, or something extreme is a giant waste of time and the mundane feels completely meaningless. They get depressed because they feel like they have no value anymore.

@snakeoo7ca

3 жыл бұрын

I got a bit of that after I stopped playing football after 13 years. It is very real

@adamwilson2227

3 жыл бұрын

Truth. After warfare life doesn't fill that void.

@ZenCenterUpaya

2 жыл бұрын

Cliche/corny quote inbound: "There is no hunting like the hunting of man, and those who have hunted armed men long enough and liked it, never care for anything else thereafter." Ernest Hemingway

@adamwilson2227

2 жыл бұрын

Us normal grunts feel the same

Seems like the most reasonable Navy SEAL I've ever heard talk. He's just like a regular human being. It's the first time I've thought to myself; " I could imagine working with that guy". Big respect

@hugomontelongo8000

2 жыл бұрын

Love andy stumpf ⭐

@richardmathes4383

2 жыл бұрын

Was a part of team 6 as well. Has an amazing outlook for what he has accomplished militarily.

@username45739

2 жыл бұрын

Just one question, I thought opening your mouth against blasts was to protect the eardrums? So that the pressure from the blast gets on both sides of the eardrums, whereas with a closed mouth it'd be just from one?

Right prefrontal cortex damage. It regulates higher executive function, and happiness. When there is damage to that area you run out of happy real quick, especially if there is alcohol involved. I had a TBI in '98. I've had several bouts with suicide. Was an alcoholic at the end of the rope. I know exactly what it's like to have nothing to live for and have your soul die. Joe, can you please get more people on to talk about TBI's and suicide. Especially for the military.

@yodaguy6956

5 жыл бұрын

Colin McCarty much love from NH brother, I wish you the best in your recovery

@littleuzi2775

5 жыл бұрын

Hope you're doing well!

@anothermike4825

5 жыл бұрын

@@littleuzi2775 I'm doing much better. Finally got some help.

@joeschmo247

5 жыл бұрын

Did you say happiness, lol, it's called serotonin, I got what you were trying to say, good luck brother😁👍

@anothermike4825

5 жыл бұрын

@@joeschmo247 I started to say serotonin, I just wasn't sure how many others would know what that meant or how that directly affects the type of thoughts you get in your head.

I have so much respect for anyone in special operations. I was a RANGER for 8 yrs and Bodyguard for 25 yrs. I have TBI now it has begun to affect me now in my late 50s. The memory loss bothers me the most! I'm not sure if I would have changed anything in my life to this point. #RLTW 🇺🇲🇺🇲

@sgt_loeram1933

Жыл бұрын

Same here, I was a tanker during OIF II and many other deployments and training ranges. No doubt it’s catching up to me now, I was medically retired in 2009 but not for a TBI. They’re very hesitant about tagging you with a TBI diagnosis because of an extra SGLI we had that would payout 100k if you got one. The insurance was called TGLI I believe. It cost us an extra $4 bucks I think? Look into it

@lufasumafalu5069

5 ай бұрын

call of duty ranger reporting ?

I had two blast M-TBI’s from Afghanistan and was not knocked out in either situation, and a bunch of other situations where i am sure the blast concussion got me. I had no idea that was even a thing until I had multiple docs and people start telling me things I did. Went to TBI clinic and found out that my hormones were all jacked up, my eyes didnt focus right, and my cognitive functions all weird.

@dwightcurrie8316

5 жыл бұрын

I have a question, with utter and absolute respect and gratitude for your Service. Not that it matters, but just so you know, I'm also a Vet, but from almost 50 years ago. How was the VA in dealing with your injuries, and any other Military issues you might have? Not looking for anything but your take on the current VA & their treatment. I have no Service Related injuries, but just those accumulated by living a "Misspent Youth" competing in Rodeos , and making my living for a decade or so traveling around the country, "Bronc Stompin" & riding rough stock, combined with lots of Manual Labor, before I wised up and mended my ways, so to speak. I'm simply interested in your opinion of any VA services that you've availed yourself of.

@DMM-cv5fh

5 жыл бұрын

Dwight Currie Hi thanks for the question and btw I love horses and the whole rodeo scene. I have always wondered how those guys keep going after being flung from Broncos all the time. Regarding the VA, it truly depends on which VA branch you go too. Like anything, some are better than others and some docs are better, but I would say that i have had maybe 50% positive and negative experiences. I would first divide the VA broadly into the medical side and the compensation and pension side. The positives are that most of the medical specialists I have seen genuinely care about the work they do and the vets they serve. Most of the staff I have dealt with, like the receptionists and those in the layers of bureaucracy are more concerned with following their procedures to the letter, even when that standard operating procedure means all kinds of problems for the individual vet. The wait times vary, when I was medically retired in 2013 I dealt with long waits and docs who made rash decisions about my care. I also have the benefit of Tricare which allows me to see private docs and that is usually what I do. I had one doctor try to radically alter my existing medications one time, and I would have none of that. Also, God help you if your in chronic pain, that part of the VA is not good. The belief that they just dole out opioids like candy is nonsense. Some used to do that, but MOST wont even touch them. I was in chronic pain for five years until i had a world class neuro surgeon perform a miracle, but that was private. In general, both private and VA, if your in chronic pain, then your life is hell and they are more concerned with the abusers than treating pain patients effectively. But that is a whole other can of worms, I am just truly thankful I dont have to be a chronic pain patient these days. The compensation and pension side is a whole different animal. That is filled with suspicious doctors and specialists who are always on the lookout for fraudsters. That is not a bad thing per se, but it often means those with legit injuries are viewed wrongly and treated as such. Fortunately, at least for me, I have always kept my paperwork like the older vets told me when I first joined and that made the difference because the medical records speak for themselves. The bad thing is there are lots of vets with legit injuries which ought to be service connected who are fighting the bureaucracy. I have a friend who just started working as a claims evaluator and he told me that two years ago or so a major change happened which told them to always ALWAYS give the benefit of the doubt. So that is a good thing. Basically, the attitude that he told me was that they are willing to accept that fraud will occur as long as those with legit injuries are taken care of. That I think is the best attitude, for why make legit claimants suffer bc of the lying fraudsters. It has got much better recently, but the bureaucracy is always the worst. Any bureaucracy is more concerned with its own existence than being efficient and possibly being shown they are unnecessary expense to the taxpayers. Again it just depends on the people, most of the receptionists i have dealt with are rather indifferent to your plight. I am not going to say the whole thing is garbage, some if it is and some of it is not. BUT one thing is for sure, it is ran by the government which usually means inefficiency and bureaucracy. Not that private doesn’t have that, they do sometimes, but they also have to be competitive where the VA doesn’t. There is no profit motive with VA and that to me means they dont have to worry about offering the best care at the lowest price to the taxpayers.

@dwightcurrie8316

5 жыл бұрын

@@DMM-cv5fh Thanks for the well reasoned reply. I'm inthat dreaded Chronic Pain category and thankfully most of the Docs have brains that work and at my age and the type of injuries I have, there is not a lot that can be done except for pain meds. Occasionally I have to "Show My Ass" to get their attention, but over all I agree with your 50/50 judgement. I figure this "War On Opiods is like the bad drug of the month selection. It's the thing right now and people like me are "Low Hanging Fruit" so we get hassled from time to time. Sooner or later they'll discover a new drug problem and be onto that one and leave us be for a while...I hope...But you are definitely correct that they don't hand out Pain Meds like candy. As for being "flung" of Broncs and Bulls....remember it ain't the dismount,but the sudden stop when you hit the ground that's the problem :)

@DMM-cv5fh

5 жыл бұрын

Dwight Currie Thats some serious competition if you ask me. LOL, my daughter is six and she rides her ponies at shows on lead line. All she has to do is sit there and look cute. Those ponies and horses are gentle giants but still no matter how well trained you think you got em they are still animals with instinct that can cause a kick or a bucking. Thats another reason I do the dollar contest with my daughter, if she can trot a lap around the arena with dollar bills between her knees and the saddle and not lose them, then she keeps them. It is great motivation to learn to strengthen those legs, its all about the legs. As for the VA and the chronic pain, when I say miracle I mean the surgeon thought i would be paralyzed waist down and best chance walk but be miserable the rest my life. But I am able to walk and do not have to take the pain killers anymore. At 32 that is a miracle, yeah I still have some bouts of neuropathy here and there but nothing compared to the agony I was in before. I hope your right that society will move on to some other drug and leave the poor pain patients alone, or God willing find a powerful pain killer without the physical dependence. But yes, I think it was the experience of chronic pain that changed my view on the war on drugs radically towards libertarianism. The idea of low hanging fruit as you put it is such a sad reality and it seems few have any empathy towards it. I think of it like this, here is the new government drug policy from the DEA and FDA-DONT GET HURT. That pretty much sums it up. I take great pains to avoid aggravating my back, which is mostly titanium. The docs say though that eventually I may have to have another operation and that scares the hell out of me. Get this, they were so stingy with the pain killers that after they cut my back wide open all they did was give me one hydrocodone afterwords. No IV push, nothing. It took raising hell on earth from friends in high places to make them treat me proper. The surgeon was shocked when I told him that I had weaned myself off the pain killers by myself 8 months later. I cannot say that I would have been able to do that if the pain had persisted. I had one surgeon tell me that he was scared to operate on me bc of the injuries and that he would rather me, then 28 years old, live on opioids the rest of my life. That was the low point. But I do believe in a higher power and that I believe is what saved me by bringing the superior skill of a brave neurosurgeon.

@dwightcurrie8316

5 жыл бұрын

@@DMM-cv5fh I tell my Grandbabies that Horses are one of the true blessings that God put on this earth. They are wonderful creatures, but be aware, they can put in a Coma or worse in 10 seconds if you're not watching them and what you do all the time, every time. They listen because I have made them acutely aware that "Papa" will brook absolutely no Bullshit when they are with the Horses. They either do it my way, or they don't do it. Maybe a bit harsh, but I've been doing this for a long time & I never want them to get hurt because I was to gentle in reinforcing safety precautions at all times. Outside the paddock they can run and scream like wild Indians, but inside it's strictly business....fun, but business

Learning more about TBI and Concussion was the strangest thing when I transitioned from working as a search and rescue medic to working in a clinical setting. When your focus shifts to treating more chronic effects of injuries, you start realizing how a life of stupid stuff has taken more of a toll on your body than you assumed. I'd been on and around filling rattling heavy equipment, blasts and sustained gunfire, walked into low hanging beams and aircraft parts, gotten my head slammed around driving off road, had my ear pro knocked off just before I really needed it, eaten shit climbing up and over things, all kinds of little stuff you don't even think about through my military and civilian life. Then you look back and realize you never had a headache, but you felt groggy the next day or two, lose your place numerous times reading something, had to blink one too many times to refocus your eyes etc. All that stuff you'd chalked up to "Yesterday was a long day" were actually the symptoms of numerous minor concussions when you only really took proper brain rest for the couple of major ones you really noticed. I start looking back at the stereotype of the hard working tradesman back in the day who turned to heavy drinking and anger later in life, and have to wonder how often that was due to the lack of safety equipment then resulting in minor TBIs from a life of using old heavy equipment that rattled the factory foundations.

My first ever best friend, took his own life back in 2015. He was always the happy and outgoing individual, hardly ever seen him sad. He had a car wreck a few months because his death and apparently he always complained to his mom about his head always hurting... I don’t know if that had something to do with it, but I sure miss him😔

I hope, at least, veterans know they are appreciated.

@DJSbros

4 жыл бұрын

Trust me, American vets are the most publically praised soldiers in the world. Hands down. Being a vet in Canada for example it was really interesting realising that most Canadians don't give a fuck.

@OkOk-vj9db

3 жыл бұрын

After work one day I didn't feel like changing out of my uniform and went to Walmart to pick up some gummy bears. A bunch of people said "Thank you for your service" and I was like "I haven't even really done anything yet haha." So yeah morale is high :)

"open your mouth and cover your ears" - sounds like advice from my uncle

Ive been super confused and depressed since my concussion 10 years ago

@littleuzi2775

5 жыл бұрын

Best of luck man

@blazerdude89

5 жыл бұрын

Same here

@LupercalRising

5 жыл бұрын

@@littleuzi2775 thanks dude appreciate that you too

@davidpierce9949

5 жыл бұрын

Sorry to hear that, partner. Hope you get better

@VikingFitness00

5 жыл бұрын

dude go get your pump on if you aren't already. Nothing better than getting a succulent chest and arm pump.

I remember a TED talk, in which a veteran talked about why he believes soldiers really commit suicide. He said something along the lines of, there is no correlation between deployment and suicide, or being in combat and suicide. He said it had to do with the fact that soldiers are trained not to cry. They bottle up their emotions because they have to in combat, but most never recover from that training, and they can’t talk to people around them when they get out, because civilian life is so different.

I've been watching so many clips from this podcast with Andy. He's such an incredibly intelligent and down to earth guy. It's interesting to see him share his perspectives, he's been in the belly of the beast. Such an outstanding episode. One of my favorites.

This was an absolutely brilliant clip. Thank you for spreading information about TBI's and CTE.

TBI is so underreported. I've had three TBIs (one moderate & two severe). It's cumulative and it changes you.

Thanks for bringing this up... “Sappers forward”

Thank you for your service - good movie about troops and ptsd. Plus life in the military dealing with deployments. Should have spot on that movie.

I enjoyed this topic, great show! Thank you both!😎😎🌵

my father was a coal mine in Canada way back in the day. when i was little he told me that when they were in camp they would sleep with wood blocks in their mouths in the back of their teeth to keep their mouths open while they slept so if something like the cases of explosives went off and they survived, their hearing wouldn't be totally blown out.

Thank you for the great information about head injuries. God bless our Veterans!

I'm a vet with tbi and ptsd..... fun times being stuck.

@bonnie3232

4 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service and sacrifice. Praying for your healing.

@petermaclauren2788

4 жыл бұрын

Hope you get better soon.

My dad actually told me "open your mouth and cover your ears" bit of advice when the civil war reenactment we were attending brought out the cannons.

Hold ears - open mouth is classic artillery training.

@IronskullGM

5 жыл бұрын

Yet in reality, you clinch your teeth and go "oh shit".. ;)

@stephenflower2434

5 жыл бұрын

Lol yup ex gunner so true

@captainbutters1395

5 жыл бұрын

Just curious, why open your mouth?

@ieuanhunt552

5 жыл бұрын

@@captainbutters1395 I assume it has something to do with the concussive forces from the explosives. If you have your mouth closed it could blow out your ear drums.

@MrRAYGUN5555

5 жыл бұрын

captain butters if your mouth is closed the shock wave of a blast and sound waves would have nowhere to escape. That’s my theory

I could could listen to him amid learn so much. Fascinating interview!

Suffered a TBI on 03 from a near miss, misdiagnosed for almost 15 years. Saying they dont understand is an understatement.

My head went through a back window in a single cab pickup truck during an accident. And I never really looked at it in perspective but I completely changed my life in the next couple months. I stopped doing risky behaviors. Stopped dating around, drugs, drinking, and got in school. Now I’m an electrician, married with two beautiful kids and life is good.

@dankdark974

5 жыл бұрын

maybe i oughta try that

@looseele

4 жыл бұрын

Sounds like you had a "come to Jesus" moment

"Open your mouth and cover your ears." My chemistry teacher in 9th grade. Start of every lesson!

"The best care I ever received.... Because it's a civilian facility." If TBI is known, it is. And it's a known problem, it is. And it's a common problem, it is. Doesn't one suspect that maybe instead of building one F-22 that money should go to some type of research/care facility for TBI received by people that served while getting the TBI?

@bloodeagle2234

5 жыл бұрын

Been saying this exact same thing for years, my vietnam vet uncle died because the VA wouldn't treat him cause he tested positive for marijuana... they in every sense of the word murdered him... I think America can live with only 9 Aircraft Carriers, instead of 10, of that means 1k's of vets get propper medical care!

@zzbudzz

5 жыл бұрын

The gov't doesn't give ONE shit about you after you are no use to them and YOU need help!

@eniooliveira9196

4 жыл бұрын

Going a bit off-topic, that F-22 example reminded me of someone (from a Ted Talk, maybe) that compared the cost of an attack helicopter to something that wasn't being funded, but I can't remember what it was about.

@antibull4869

3 жыл бұрын

No. You cant fix a broken soldier if they dont return. Hence the money being funneled towards better firepower.

@ladymercy5275

3 жыл бұрын

That one F-22 didn't get the money for that one F-22. That money went to projects that don't exist, for people who don't exist. Then some clerk needed a viable excuse, so he picked the most expensive item on the list, and added a few zeroes to serve as a viable excuse for why funds were being diverted to non-existent accounts.

Tbi patient here. It effects me EVERY DAY

I had a 10 minute scrimmage game when I was 13. I was a lineman and took hit after hit from the kid on the other team--helmet to helmet. I got home and my head hurt so bad and I temporarily lost peripheral vision in my right eye. Dr said I bruised the sight part of my brain. To this day, 36 yrs later, I still get migraines once in a while from that. My vision starts getting 'clouded' by what looks like sunspots in my sight, then it suddenly clears up and the headache begins

As someone who has intimate experience with TBI and CTE, this is something I can definitely relate to. I was not in the military, though I tried to be at one point. I have sustained 16 head injuries--major ones--in my life, 15 from bullying between ages 7 and 16. Three of those were skull fractures, one which directly impacted my brain stem and caused me to die for 5 minutes before being resuscitated. I have suffered with chronic migraines, and at least 10 of the 16 current symptoms commonly associated with CTE. The movie Concussion, which was based on real-life events, was an eye-opener for many people, but for those of us with TBI, it was like "FINALLY!" What had happened was, like many things in the medical field, TBI was not understood by many, and the powers-that-be ignored the problem because it didn't financially benefit them to acknowledge it. So for decades, the NFL had dozens of players who had multiple TBIs, and there were no real concussion protocols like there are now. They were taught by the culture of the NFL to play through these injuries, "be a man", "man up" and so on, and so this led to a culture that shunned anyone who questioned this policy as "not manly". So many of them hid their injuries, so as not to appear weak, until they couldn't anymore. And they had a rash of suicides from ex-players, and after they did autopsy studies on their brains involving 41 ex-NFL players who had either died from some brain condition or taken their own lives, 38 of the 41 had what became known as CTE (Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy). Unfortunately, understanding of this condition is still relatively new, and it can only be accurately diagnosed after death in an autopsy. However, several hospitals including Boston University are making strides to develop an accurate method of diagnosing this condition while patients are still alive. There is a list of symptoms commonly associated with TBI-related CTE. But even as new as the study of this condition is, the widespread nature of it is still not as widely understood as the condition itself. Even among those who have heard of CTE, if you ask them how you get it, the first things out of most of their mouths are football players and boxers. You would hear names like Muhammad Ali mentioned, and his TBI-caused Parkinson's disease. But most would not consider other sources of TBI, such as bullying, military service, and dozens of others that happen every single day. As you say early in this video, you don't have to get knocked out to have a brain injury--in fact, of the 16 that I sustained, I was only truly knocked out once, and came close on a 2nd one. The other 14 I was completely awake the entire time. But yet, I suffer migraines, dizziness, lightheadedness, double vision, anxiety, PTSD, suicidal thoughts and ideation, difficulty thinking clearly, depression, short-term memory loss, emotional instability on occasion, irritability, aggression, motor impairment, and several other symptoms commonly associated with CTE. While I have not officially been diagnosed, because of the fact that an accurate method of diagnosing while alive has not yet been developed, pretty much every doctor and neurologist I have seen is as sure as they can be that I have it. And even among those with head injuries in their own lives, my condition and symptoms are rarely understood. Unfortunately, understanding of the brain, how it works, and how injuries to it affect every aspect of our lives, is still in its relative infancy. And dealing with CTE and TBIs is scary as hell for those of us who have them. After all, when I read about the study done on those 41 football players, 38 of whom had CTE, I have had more serious head injuries than all but 3 of them...and they're all dead, most by their own hand. How do you go through each day, knowing that? And while I deal with anxiety and PTSD symptoms all the time, the level of both that soldiers deal with is so many levels above mine that I can't even imagine it. I don't know if that number mentioned here of 22 returning soldiers dying by suicide every day is accurate or not, but honestly, based on my own issues, which stem from a level of violence that doesn't even come close to comparing to what they see on the battlefield, I honestly wouldn't be surprised if it was. And that's a travesty and a shame, that we as a country can send them into war to die or be injured, but we can't invest the money needed to treat them when they get home. This is the same travesty we created after Vietnam, and World War II, when soldiers came home by the tens of thousands with PTSD--or the equivalents of it, like shell shock--and were basically left to fend for themselves. That, to me, is one of the biggest issues we have as a country, and especially, the government. If we can invest hundreds of billions or even trillions into war and the equipment to fight it, we can at least spend a fraction of that creating a serviceable treatment program for those who return. We have a duty and an obligation to do so.

@jamesharden9

11 ай бұрын

i read ur first sentences only and how do u claim to have cte its undiagnosable until you have passed so unless ur corrected urself ur a liar

@DukeFan1971

11 ай бұрын

@@jamesharden9 For the most part, it cannot be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT accurately diagnosed. However, being that two teams of scientists, led by Boston University Hospital, are very close to creating a method of detection for living patients, and the fact that the symptoms of CTE are fairly well-known at this point...neurologists who specialize in brain disorders--specifically those caused by multiple, severe TBIs--can still diagnose with a very high level of confidence, surpassing 95%. My neurologist is one of those neurologists. As of June 2017, 5 months after my last TBI, I was exhibiting 12 of the 16 most common symptoms of CTE. Based on that, and my history of severe TBIs (which includes 16 total TBIs, 15 of which happened over a 9-year period), he told me that he was as sure as he could possibly be that I had CTE, with a 99% degree of confidence. Three of the four symptoms I HADN'T developed yet at that time were the three conditions whose development would signify the transition between late Stage 3/early Stage 4 CTE (where he diagnosed me at in 2017)...and end-stage CTE. Those symptoms are Parkinsonism, Alzheimer's and Progressive Dementia. Starting in July 2021, I began exhibiting a whole new set of symptoms. After consultation with my neurologist, it was determined that these were all related to Progressive Dementia...a condition that medicine CAN diagnose with certainty, just FYI. But...this also bolstered the case that I had CTE, and was entering end-stage, as Dementia was one of the last 4 symptoms I DIDN'T have, AND nearly always progresses into Alzheimer's (which I have personal experience with, as both my mother AND grandmother had strokes, then Dementia, then Alzheimer's...then death. My mother took 5 years to pass; my grandmother took 2. Since then, my symptoms have continued to deteriorate at a steady pace. At the end of December 2021, based on the number and severity of symptoms, my history of brain injuries, my family history of fatal brain conditions (3 consecutive generations on my mother's side all died from one--mother, grandmother, great-grandmother), and the speed at which things were progressing...my neurologist told me that his best estimate was that I had on the low end of 2 to 5 years left. And he actually ORDERED ME to get a 2nd opinion from the head of the Neurology Department at Duke University Hospital, one of the top 5 neurologists in the Southeast. He confirmed my neurologist's diagnosis, and offered in-home services for whenever I would need them. But to sum up...for you not to read more than a few sentences, then claim that I'm a liar with no evidence, no background, no training, and no education...while I have the expertise of not one but TWO top neurologists and a literal LIFETIME spent researching and learning about brain injuries...that's pretty ignorant and narrow-minded of you. I have no reason to lie about this. This condition has limited, and in many ways, destroyed my life...and quite soon, it will also END it. I'm already living on borrowed time as it is. According to the big 2009 study of CTE that was conducted...the average life expectancy of a CTE patient is 51 years...but that was based on an onset of symptoms in late teens or early 20s, as the vast majority of those whose brains were studied got CTE from football in high school, college and/or pros...or military service...most of which happens AFTER age 18. However, MY onset of symptoms began at age 7, because 15 of my 16 TBIs were received from bullying from 7 to 16. So I already had a full DECADE of symptom progression on the majority of CTE sufferers. So...if THEIR life expectancy was 51, and my symptoms started a decade EARLIER than theirs...that means MY life expectancy should be early 40s. I am about a month away from turning 52. So that means every moment of the past 10-11 years has been borrowed time, and my life could end at any time, with little or no warning. If you think that doesn't keep me up at night...think again. But really...what would I gain from lying about this? You don't know me--no one on here DOES. So it's not like I'm getting any real-life benefits, sympathy or anything else from you or anyone else on KZread. I certainly haven't ASKED for anything from anyone, because honestly...what's the point? I can't take anything material with me when I die. In fact, I've been busy giving away or selling a lot of my stuff, to purge myself of stuff I no longer want, need or can use. So what exactly do you see me gaining from lying about this? I seriously would like to know. And on the flip side...does it make YOU feel better to lash out at someone you don't know anything about, based on reading 2 or 3 sentences and not knowing the first thing about my situation? I'm not here to debate with you. *I* know what the truth is--you don't. Besides, with as little time as I have left...debating with someone who fully admits to not reading anything is a waste of time and energy that I have precious little of. If you don't believe me...then DON'T. It doesn't change MY situation, or the truth of it, one bit. I won't be any less dead at the end of this because you think you know more than two top neurologists do.

@jamesharden9

11 ай бұрын

@@DukeFan1971 according go the Mayo Clinic as of May 23, 2023 “There is currently no way to definitively diagnose CTE during life.” which was exactly my point to begin with. idk why ur mad at me

@jamesharden9

11 ай бұрын

@@DukeFan1971 and wait i lashed out at u? thats actually crazy talk i just agreed with the mayo clinic. sorry about ur situation but maybe u shouldnt spend ur time on the internet being sensitive and writing essays to nobodys online when you have that going on its a watse of time

@DukeFan1971

11 ай бұрын

@@jamesharden9 I already knew, AND SAID, that. There's no way to be 100% accurate. But they are able to diagnose with a high-90s percentile based on multiple factors, which I ALSO explained. Perhaps if you tried reading past the 1st sentence, you would have seen that.

Super interesting podcast having this guy on. Joe been on a hot streak with the guests recently.

Andy is a very intelligent and entertaining guy. Love his podcasts and his humor is on point. Always great content on the Cleared Hot podcast.

Joe I'm a Veteran and this was an important interview

We're experiencing the same epidemic in the UK. I lost 5 friends to suicide last year all Infantry or Recce guys. I've struggled with it myself but research and improvements seem to be stagnant over here we cant even get legal weed to manage our PTSD.

rTMS is one of the newer treatments for those who suffered concussions or tbi. Its electro magnetic stimulation on different parts of your brain. To put it simply, it adjust your brain waves so all the individual neurons are on the same wave length. Concussion/tbi disrupt the wave lengths, leading to miscommunication between neurons.

Confidence speaks truth.

There's a very inspiring documentary called "From Shock to Awe" that I think would help many veterans

Joe: Is there a best way to eat it? SEAL: Open your mouth and cover your ears Giggity

@tomsugars566

4 жыл бұрын

family guy lol

@timbailey8180

3 жыл бұрын

I want to like your comment but it has 69 likes at the moment which I believe is far too perfect a thing to fuck up.

That’s good info, thank you

So much fascinating content in such a short clip

So what about all those hardcore heavy metal Headbangers from the 90s?

@Grooove_e

5 жыл бұрын

I'm still a hardcore heavy metal head banger. Haha I use that as my therapy for my depression actually. Heavy metal has basically kept me from slitting my throat and bleeding out in a ditch somewhere. More specifically, an ear blasting band known as Pantera has given me the strength to say fuck you to all the problems in life, and overcome those problems with absolute power.

@grantdiggs7088

4 жыл бұрын

Eh sore neck from time to time.

@DJSbros

4 жыл бұрын

Welp, many slur their words which i always find interesting.

@oiitzME1266

4 жыл бұрын

It's definitely given me a thicker neck

"Open your mouth and cover your ears." Instructions from my chemistry teacher in 9th grade.

Love listening to Andy. No ego.

A huge, loud noise: open your mouth and cover your ears. I TOTALLY remember seeing that in an OLD health book, for, like, 1st grade. Picture of a child watching a jet fly over, and the little blues said, "open your mouth around loud noises" hahahaha I have, since that day. Haha (glad that was actually a good thing) haha

TBI is my middle name. From football and wrestling. Just tap my head and I get a concussion now. And the reason my 4 boys didn't play football and won't play.

@BrownSoldier96

3 жыл бұрын

How about wrestling? I wish I would’ve done that when I was younger.!

@lilwelfarecheck3626

3 жыл бұрын

@@BrownSoldier96 I wrestled for 9 years and I just quit three weeks ago, I personally feel like it’s one of the worst sports you could put a kid in, the unnatural body movement and consistently intense training will lead to injury in everybody (that includes concussions) I’ve dislocated my shoulder and torn multiple ligaments, I’m 17 and in the prime of my life but it hurts to throw a ball 30-40 yards.the environment is so much more primal too, everyone is fighting for there spots and there’s such a competitive and intense mindset instilled at such a young age that it becomes toxic. Also kids are still developing, when kids wrestle there pushing there bodies too the max, most coaches don’t do water breaks (we had one before practice started) your constantly cutting an absurd amount of weight, and packing as much lean muscle on as possible. My captians only 17 and he’s 180 pounds with 4.6 percent body fat, which is extremely unhealthy. Kids are also developing all the other head injuries too, there’s been times Me or a teammate gets slammed in practice and we forget what’s happening and what we’re doing for several seconds (not saying it happens often but it does happen). It’s simply too intense, there’s a reason 7/10 fighters in the ufc have a wrestling background. Every movement you do in wrestling destroys your body in the long run.

Brain Trauma was never my friend.

Such a good insight

Crashed my bike training and definitely had whiplash concussion...had fog for a week but getting better

More educated guests like this Joe

TBI from jet skiing... That's definitely how Kenny Powers is going out.

This is really interesting. He said some things that I would not have expected, particularly his attitude about his medical retirement. Now to listen to the entire episode.

what an absolute hero

When I played semi-pro football, I was cracked in the helmet by a blitzing linebacker. I was completely knocked out for about 7 and a half minutes and by the time I woke up there was a helicopter landing on the field to air lift me to the hospital. When I woke up I felt completely fine. No sensitivity issues, no headache, no nothing. I felt like I just woke up from a graceful nap with a lot of energy. I was air lifted to the hospital and was in the hospital for 2 days so they could keep a close eye on me. Eventually they let me go home because we all thought I was gonna be okay. About 2 weeks later after not experiencing any issues at all with my head I was allowed to go back to football practice. So I went and it was just another regular day of practice. I went to sleep completely fine that night, however, when I woke up the next morning, I forgot how to stand or walk and i forgot how to write. It’s been 2 years since and I can now walk and run pretty well, and my writing is good again. Getting a lick to the head is so dangerous.

Seven concussions... graduate school is hard but I'm happy to be here.

@IkeCarterShow

4 жыл бұрын

Jessica1234 I call bullshit

Both of them Beasts....in a civil discourse ...AMAZZINNNNGGGG

The best way to describe this is how concussions are: we only see the now but, that concussion may be the result of thousands of blows it’s just 1 that put it over the edge. The concern becomes, how does this affect the brain when there’s not enough to show up on scans to then factoring that in, you have a mess since you can’t pinpoint where it stemmed from

Everyone in the military is expendable, that's the essence of the institution.

@joellumsden2821

5 жыл бұрын

Mike Smith not men, weapons!

People dont realize you can get a concussion from the inside too. You dont have to hit your head to get one. Your spine slamming into the base of your skull can rattle you more than anything or even just whiplash if its bad enough.

@slimpickens5193

5 жыл бұрын

There old soccer players coming out with the concussion disease and having problems that never hit their heads as hard as some other people I heard somewhere it happens when they are at full speed then suddenly come to a stop

6:25 busted out laughing 😂 just ball up oh lord that good.

CTE Sucks. Cheers for having the conversation.

I wonder what the percentage was for WWII Vets? Especially, the Vets. that were involved in The Normandy Invasion.

@vladvalo

5 жыл бұрын

Holy fuck dude no joke, or WW1! CAN YOU IMAGE HOW MANY FROM THOSE YEARS OF CONSTANT ARTILLERY/SHELLSHOCK.

@GearZNet

4 жыл бұрын

@@vladvalo They called it being shell shocked or punch drunk back then. It was especially noticed during/after WWI

This explains why my girl is so ditzy. She must have TBI from smacking against the headboard

@MiKEY_TARANTiNO

5 жыл бұрын

Nice homie, well damage is done might as well keep it up ya hearrrr

@marshallsimmons56

5 жыл бұрын

Sexual frustration .she told me !! ...u need to bang her head on the days you aren't currently... It's where I was going wrong ...my girl calls it "a power up!" .. Girls are wired different ...I'm tired after fuking ...she wants to kiss for another hour and walk the cat do the hovering...sit on the washing machine while its spinning ( cheating hoe !), then pulls on my dick til it shows some interest ....sucks it like she's never been fed ...and expects me to do the last 90%, of the graft ..I've got chronic fatigue syndrome and she's off out ....probably to get fucked after foreplay with the neighbors washing machine !!

I could listen to this guy talk for days

I remember when i was younger and jumping on a trampoline for a while and my head started hurting, i guess my brian really just bounced hard

I've had more than 7 less than 15 concussions were I was out cold between the ages of 5-25.. now 43 and my ears ring and go in and out of deaf then I can hear, I was never allergic to anything now I sneeze 20 times a day minimum and I'm always nasally conjested, and my hearing and vision are going fast and my vision n hearing were perfect all through my life, also dealing with wierd bouts of depression and dark room idolation, whereas I was always a social butterfly going out partying every week.. where can I get checked out? Better yet what kinda specialist should I see, I have great insurance so that's not an issue

@thomasblock1164

5 жыл бұрын

Neurologist first. Hopefully others will chime in because I am not a doctor.

@BosnianBEAST-ky9xv

5 жыл бұрын

how did u get that many

@paul-egz4264

5 жыл бұрын

@@BosnianBEAST-ky9xv 90% of them were football wrestling baseball collisions and 2 car accidents.. one of the car accidents was worse than all others probably combined

@paul-egz4264

5 жыл бұрын

@@BosnianBEAST-ky9xvwhen I was 23 I was in the back of a pickup sitting on a recliner we were moving to a fishing spot to use as a lounge chair to fish from, doing 40mph got tboned by a bread truck and got thrown over 100ft... next thing I remembered was someone running after me yelling are you ok.. apparently I got up and started walking toward my childhood house as if I was 10 walking home from the park down the street.. when I finally acknowledged the guy yelling at me I remember turning around looking at the wreck that was probably 1000ft away and I collapsed again woke up in the ambulance 10min later.. fuckin crazy shit.. I'm lucky but it's definitely taking its toll today

7:50 - "Is their a way to eat it" Simple answer.... "Open your mouth" hahahah

TBI's among vets is high, i have lots of friends who are diagnosed TBI from the VA

Love the Black Rifle Coffee hat

Black Rifle Coffee Company ☕️!!!

@german2507

3 жыл бұрын

After Kenosha

Joe "Bob Costas is a brilliant guy" Rogan

I got a Work injury and it was a torque injury, back left shoulder blade and right front rib dislocated, tore neck tissue and eventually formed an adhesion at my brain stem and I had a blockage of spinal fluid for almost a year that left brain damage, my point is you don’t always have to hit your head to get a TBI

God Bless 🙏 all of those whom choose to put themselves in Harm's way for this country, RIP TO THOSE WHO GAVE THEY'RE LIVES ALSO!

Id disagree with the suicide being related so heavily to TBI and PTSD. I was a helicopter mechanic with the Marines and never saw combat or had a TBI, I did have to deal with casualties and dead bodies a few times but that's not the same. Most of my friends were the same way. Last year eight people I served with killed themselves, only one had been in combat. I think the suicide rate is connected waaaayyy more to transition.

@marcoboscarol2420

5 жыл бұрын

Transition?

@meitroxgaming6988

2 жыл бұрын

@@marcoboscarol2420 probably transition out of the military and having a hard time adjusting to civilian life

@theworkethic

Жыл бұрын

Hold on, you disagree based on your own experience? Wow, isn’t that absolutely idiotic.

Joe "22 percent?" Rogan

@arym1108

5 жыл бұрын

Lol. I literally was like dafuq he just say...22% would be a fucking issue. 22 per day is an issue already.

That treatment is amazing they're the VA TBI/PTS program is really concerned about narrowing between the two you have to demand the treatment and keep on them

@Lifechanging99999

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Quinn the treatment is horrible. Don’t go around spreading lies please.

My mother passed from cancer. When she was being treated, I asked about hearing all about great advances being made in treating cancer. He used the analogy of. A baby walking. The first steps are amazing but that child is not ready to run a marathon. TBI ( I've suffered a stoke leaving me paralyzed on my left side) and cancer are marathons and we are the child learning to walk.

22 a day for Christ's sake get these men some help

@taintsweatnope5093

5 жыл бұрын

Can't do that. Going to cost too much. The US public won't get behind putting less $ into bullets and more into treatment and the current administration doesn't believe in treatment. Take a look at how little they did for the 9/11 first responders or the hypocrisy of the excuses they use against coal miners. A crying shame.

I’m pretty sure I got some brain (heart and liver) damage from chronic binge drinking for the last ten years, alcohol overdoses (two of which I was hospitalised for), alcohol-related injuries including getting into minor vehicle accidents twice, falling down stairs or jumping through tables, etc., using drugs that were cut/contaminated with neurotoxic chemicals for years, hard sparring in MMA for a decade, and probably in many other ways. I still have a Masters degree, speak three languages and I’m on my way to earning a very decent amount of money in a cognitively-demanding job. I do well in my professional, social and personal lives. For people like me, the thought of being limited by your brain damage is much more harmful to your life than the actual brain damage itself. It’s probably not as severe as you think and you can always work around it. Learn to be at peace with who you are now and you will be happy and successful. Stop dwelling on the past, thinking about how things could be, because that’s the single most limiting thing you can ever do and it just sets the path for a life of regret and underachieving. Stay strong.

@bryanfrombuffalo7685

5 жыл бұрын

Try kratom

@plokijuh5830

5 жыл бұрын

Brian Fromps I don’t need it to exercise discipline, look after my mind and find love for myself.

@endub42

5 жыл бұрын

So you've tried to drink yourself to death, but you have no limits to what you can accomplish. Sounds great....

@SFbayArea94121

5 жыл бұрын

plok ijuh hopefully you don’t drink anymore, it’s a bitch. But if you do definitely try milk thistle extract (liver cleanser) and a multivitamin with vitamin b(does away with the shitty brain feelings like it feels it’s being squeezed under a hydraulic press) plus anytime I’ve had to drunk drive it’s saved my ass because it seems to restore proper motor function even when impaired. Sadly I’ve been drinking for about the last 4 heavily, most nights half of sometimes even a full 750 ml vodka bottle. The difference when you take those is like night and day compared to if you drink without them unless you wayyyyy overdo it even then it won’t feel as much like death as it would otherwise, but better yet don’t do any of that shit that’s toxic to the body but if you still do give that a try. I credit those for why my organs still haven’t shut down most likely.

@-John-Doe-

5 жыл бұрын

4:50 This. The diagnostics aren't clear cut. It's just like depression -- How many are retiring young? How many can't find meaning in life? I would not be surprised if most of these symptoms are existential. Isolation, feeling lost, no direction.

I wiped my 95z28 down the drag strip had a stage 3 concussion was messed up for weeks I can't imagine what seals and fighters go through Dammm 😞

The algorithm game is crazy 😆 your a good man joe.

Hello their if your experiencing any form of soul crushing depression and feel hopeless or helpless theirs probably help somewhere, just emember where to seek help and other community out reach programs? In your local area ?

@roachdawgloko8886

5 жыл бұрын

@John Hurley durtktkskjsjw frhbvysrjvdrn dicbsn what? foreigner or out of stater?

Maybe microdosing can help these people.

@someAholeComment

4 жыл бұрын

There have been promising studies done with microdosing mdma. Positive results were found in treating PTS.

This helps to answer a few questions about why I'm so screwed up at 60 years old. . Being a self destructive adrenaline junkie my whole life. Too many thrashings and hard bonks to the head

When I was in the Australian army I did a DMEO course. Which is disposal of malfunctioned explosive ordnance and the minimum safe distance was always 300m.

How do I watch this whole podcast? can anyone help me out? lol

@kuba_ota5154

5 жыл бұрын

Link in the description \[T]/

@Tony-vj5ws

5 жыл бұрын

Google "How to KZread"

@glennbarrera8353

5 жыл бұрын

www.theinternet.com

@SFbayArea94121

5 жыл бұрын

Cory Walton 😂😂😂 I needed a good laugh to start today, thanks

I WANT WAR JOE! WAR!

@ManorexicPanda

5 жыл бұрын

Anantavijaya Das you’re a moron lol. lil sheep

@brandonrox221

5 жыл бұрын

@Anantavijaya Das that was very very sad. How old are you? 12? Most of what AJ has said was straight bullshit! He's completely lost it and got worse over the past few years. He was wrong about Sandy Hook and had to publicly admit he was VERY WRONG! Obviously you are very gullible to still buy into his snake oil car salesman one second angry and screaming then next he's breaking down on screen in front of everyone crying. Absolutely pitiful! One day you will grow up and realize it's you that sounds and is being completely stupid! Next time bring facts backing AJ or else go comment on Infowars 👌😂😂😂😂😂

@80brax04

5 жыл бұрын

@Anantavijaya Das Bohemian Grove is abunch of rich people getting together, getting trashed, and putting on a play and Alex wasn't the first or last to sneak into the grove.I agree with you that abunch of messed up shit goes down there but not a true globalist meetup and planning session at all especially if you compare it to the Bilderberg meetings, now that is a legit globalist get together.Bohemian Grove is an mentally challenged summer camp compared to the Bilderberg Meetings.

@Sublime-

5 жыл бұрын

@@OG_The_Origonal_Grandpa ehh much worst people than Alex Jones let's just start with dick Cheney

@wendellstamps

5 жыл бұрын

Anantavijaya Das spit out the kool-aid and remove your tin foil hat kid

Joe - An interview with Bob Costas would be interesting and lively.

Andy Stumpf is so well spoken.

My wife gives me brain tremor

@1111aaa2222

5 жыл бұрын

Your wife should find a better husband

I mean absolutely no disrespect to combat veterans by saying this, but suicide rates among them may also have to do with guilt. Maybe it goes beyond TBI. I understand that to a lesser or greater degree, these guys are trained to do a job. And their job entails being ready to kill and sacrifice one’s self to protect our country. For the most part, I do see that as noble. And I think these people should be shown the respect that they’ve earned through this endeavor. I absolutely think they should be shown more respect by our government and military apparatus than to be flung into a fight halfway around the world that may indeed NOT be a matter of protecting our country. I do not think they should be devalued and used as political pawns. No matter how highly trained and combat ready these guys may be, if they’re sent out to do a job wherein they are really just fucking up the lives of innocent people, or making life far worse for them, or being put in a situation where they have killed innocents, flung into situations where it’s clear they’re not protecting us back home and that’s the only thing that’s clear about it.... I mean, fuck! We’re accepting that these guys kill and watch their best friends get killed. But we fool ourselves into thinking it’s always about the right thing - protecting us. Clearly, in a lot of cases, the writing is on the fucking wall - they are not there for such simple reasons. Beyond the bullet wounds, burn marks, shrapnel, beyond the TBI, something else may have left permanent damage. When you do all that crazy shit, when you disrupt and take lives, and you can reflect on how it was all bullshit... that has to really fuck with someone. And without an arm of our military being developed to decompress these guys and give them a way to deal with both the physical and mental shit after a tour or a career (because let’s face it, they are treated like shit - our vets are essentially left to fend for themselves), things like guilt just fester. And I have to believe that it plays a major role in the absurd suicide rates we see in the folks coming home. And yeah, I have no problem saying it: they deserve WAY better!

I was an Airborne soldier 4 combat deployments I know these problems very well I have low thyroid because of it Gotta get that good MSD

Nothing but respect for the special forces boys.