Even if we could remove the murder of the second girl from the equation, the fact that he tried to blackmail a grieving mother says everything about his lack of humanity. He was more than capable of murder.

@brianf9615

2 жыл бұрын

Agreed. What amazes me is the fact that they have him in custody at a very hard prison and they never got him to confess.

@AmberTurdsShittyBedsheet

2 жыл бұрын

He got indicted for that. Be thankful he was dumb enough to try - Natalee's mother pulled a very wise move over him by involving the FBI and making them aware of what he was doing. Her quick thinking may have just gotten him extradition to the US in 2038. Peru isn't seemingly so keen on him ever having a light sentence and knows about the Holloway case.

@aarondavis8943

2 жыл бұрын

28 years in a Peruvian prison. Good luck with that, bruh. 🤣

@dyates6380

Жыл бұрын

Exactly, and throw into the mix the scumbag of a father he had trying to shield his murdering son from culpability with his wealth and influence. The apple doesn't fall far. At least the father died a sudden and untimely death. So fitting.

@gradyjones9678

Жыл бұрын

Very strange that he was fine admitting to the murder of the young lady in Peru. But he is not willing to admit that he killed Natalee. Or reveal what happened to her the night he was with her.

When I read how Joran manipulated Natalies mom for money, how he refuse to give her a chance to bury her daughter, he real is a monster. Great analysis Dr Grande!!

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, only a monster could behave and try to exploit this situation. So not cool 😎

@mattgrover3096

3 жыл бұрын

I owe you around 100 likes. I listen like a podcast late at night with phone away from my direct vision. So although I live the content I almost never hit that like button....I will get ya though.

@Mj-lb7nl

3 жыл бұрын

I really think he was a compulsive gambler and that’s why he did what he did and he continues to hold back his hand today for any future leverage

@marykelly1723

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely! 💯 I've followed this case from Day 1. At first I judged this poor woman for her out of control partying. Watching the trial I learned to not judge Natalee. She needed help not judgements. No one should be treated as she was by Joren van der Sloot. He should be rotting in hell. Thank goodness for Dr. Grande's calm and rational demeanor. I get too upset thinking about things like this on my own. It's about Natalee& her family healing and Van der Sloot getting smacked with justice.

@debrajones7344

3 жыл бұрын

@@marykelly1723 Now you're judging Van der Sloot.

Only speculating, but Dr. Grande may be the most consistent KZreadr.

@peachwedding

3 жыл бұрын

In a situation like this, I'd have to agree with your speculation.

@rayross997

3 жыл бұрын

Excellent non analysis, Stefan!

@GetMeThere1

3 жыл бұрын

He very likely would be -- in a situation LIKE this one.

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Hmmm… A day without Dr. Grande is like a day without Sunshine and I am not speculating here… but coffee and criminal or psychology analysis! Lol 🤔❤️😎😳😜

@francesbernard2445

3 жыл бұрын

What about Mrs.and Mr. Grande's video producer editor too? All 3 are consistent.

The poor woman in Peru. If the police had done their job in Aruba she would still be alive.

@VintageVera

3 жыл бұрын

I wouldn't be surprised if Van der Sloot's father used bribes to keep him from trial.

@jamesdobson7052

Жыл бұрын

the girl was evidently dead before they even got involved for goodnesses sake

@lynnlovesyou887

Жыл бұрын

Definitely.

@thoseradstars

9 ай бұрын

He killed her the night before she was reported missing because she refused his sexual advances. Authorities couldn’t have stopped that.

@shaun5047

9 ай бұрын

Assuming his recent confession was truthful it sounds like it’s not much the police could have done differently that would have ended in a conviction for Natalie’s murder. All they ever had on him was that he initially lied about dropping her off. Obviously very suspicious but realistically without a body being found that’s not enough for murder charges.

I remember this case. He ran away to Perú and killed Stephanie. Then, he crossed the border to Chile and ended up being arrested in Santiago, the capital city.

@CantaMaestra

3 жыл бұрын

Exacto, "el asesino de la maleta".

@derstoffausdemderjoghurtis

3 жыл бұрын

@@CantaMaestra se escondio en una maleta o porque ese nombre?

@ChairYogaForTheAgeless

3 жыл бұрын

He was also a addicted to gambling . and spent lots of time in casinos.

@PanicattheDiscourse

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly 5 years after, to the date. But not without some human trafficing in Thailand in between.

@susanlee6462

3 жыл бұрын

Sounds like he was a serial killer in the making

This was a huge case here in the Netherlands. I still despise Joran 😫😫

@RaysDad

3 жыл бұрын

I don't understand Joran. It seems that everything he does is deceptive and he feels no shame. Perhaps his father is the same way.

@toybonniethebunny5444

3 жыл бұрын

@@RaysDad the 2nd girl he killed (that we know of) took her eyes out with his hands,fingers 😥

@duskripper6650

3 жыл бұрын

Same, I hate that piece of.. You know what. Hoop dat ze hem ook ooit voor deze zaak veroordelen

@Suteruni

3 жыл бұрын

@@RaysDad he sure seems to have serious mental issues. As I recall, his dad was a judge or something and tried to cover up for him? He died somewhere along the road and Joran's mother kept her faith in her son until she couldn't anymore with the murder in south america. It was a huge story over here for years but has been years since I last heard about it.

@dirtysanchez941

3 жыл бұрын

@@toybonniethebunny5444 Lord 🙏 I didn't know that part.. omg

Sometimes you just look at a suspect & think “yep. He did it”

@SoulforSale

3 жыл бұрын

I wasnt convinced until he murdered the 2nd girl

I have never, even in movies, seen someone get high on pot and confess to a murder they never committed.

I remember the interview with van der Sloot, when he said he "hated Natalie" for disappearing. He had no feelings at all over her being gone other than that he hated her for disappearing because of what it's done to him. This interview was years before he murdered the other girl in Peru. He seemed so evil. His presence was so offputting you could feel it through the TV. This guys is a monster he killed 2 young girls and thankfully he's behind bars cuz I have a feeling they wouldn't have been his last.

@Nikki-jn3ud

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah no way would that have been his last victim.

@minarosered6699

3 жыл бұрын

There were videos where he was sex trafficking these Asian girls and it was disgusting. No empathy. True psychopathy. And his dad was worse

@monicawylie3985

2 жыл бұрын

Oh trust me he knows it too.

@AmberTurdsShittyBedsheet

2 жыл бұрын

He only hated the fact he has to answer for what he's done. Nasty, nasty little monster.

@marciasloan534

Жыл бұрын

Agree

I live in Aruba and I was in high school when this happened. One of my classmates at the time had dated Joran and she told a story of him throwing a homeless man over a bridge once into water below and another story of him being violent with another person. I always found it a little strange that none of this was ever mentioned in the news. Maybe it was not true but it was definitely worth investigating and a case like this. I do believe the authorities did not do a good job of investigating the case. It didn't seem they could handle the media attention it brought to them or the island and they were not prepared for something like this. It is sad that the family of Natalee will probably never get the truth about what happened.

@jimbojones9118

3 жыл бұрын

I think his dad was a judge or something, probably why he was able to get away with a lot

@Arubaanse

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimbojones9118 no, he was a judge in training

@PHILLYMEDIC69

Жыл бұрын

sure dude. I totally believe you.

" Everybody had an agenda. In the end, nobody was able to get what they wanted. More so than anyone else, Natalie Holloway was the one who was cheated out of getting what she wanted." Unfortunately, this eloquently sums up the entire sad situation.

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, she will forever be frozen 🥶 in time and cheated out of life, in her death.

@JennyT101

3 жыл бұрын

Well, you can't bring her back. All you can do it try to get her justice.

@dextermorgan1

3 жыл бұрын

No, she more than likely got what she wanted. They "supposedly" went down by the Ocean to hook up. That's what her friends told Police. It's what happened afterwards that she didn't bargain for. Natalie unfortunately met up with one of these narcissistic sociopaths that the Doc so often speaks of.

@tankthearc9875

2 жыл бұрын

but did he think vander sloot did it or not?

I grew up near Natalie. Still haunts the community. Thank you for your analysis.

I just noticed that lately we haven’t been remembering the 5 personality factors through the acronym OCEAN 😔

Fairly morbid thought, but this video just made me realize that a lobster trap might be the best possible way for a murderer to dispose of a body. And I don't think it's very coincidental that one was stolen, along with a machete, from the area Natalee went missing. Good lucking finding that trap on the bottom of our massive ocean...

@jonnorris6664

3 жыл бұрын

If that’s what he did with her, it probably wasn’t the first time he’s done that. What 17 yo thinks to do that? That level of body disposal comes with experience

@Strype13

3 жыл бұрын

@@jonnorris6664 While I certainly see where you're coming from, I'm still not too sure about that. If you've spent much of your life around boats and/or in a town with a fishing industry... you'd probably be much more familiar with things like crab traps than the average person. I'd imagine those people would be able to connect those morbid dots a lot faster than a landlocked fella like myself. But even with that said, I would not be surprised if this Vandersloot scumbag, whatever his name is, did have multiple victims. He definitely doesn't seem like a spring chicken when it comes to handling these intoxicated young ladies.

@sarahalbers5555

3 жыл бұрын

Wow. Never occurred to me.

@lynnhubbard844

3 жыл бұрын

@@Strype13 the news reported that he regularly hung out in that club looking for naive girls

Joran’s dad, Paul, was a high ranking member of the local judicial department and it’s been rumored he helped his son get rid of the body that night with his boat. He died only a few years later of a heart attack. I’ve heard news stories that inferred the elder van der Sloot had influence with the Aruban police department.

@mdmflor4574

3 жыл бұрын

👍, this probably the closet scenario to the truth. His dad had a lot of say on what would happen to his own child and it’s obvious by the action of the police

@narsheen4185

2 жыл бұрын

thanksfully hes dead well in one case bad the right inspector could made him talk.

@chad3232132

2 жыл бұрын

But that is part of the problem with this case - so many of the people believed to be involved are now dead. Joran's father is long gone. John Ludwick, one of Joran's best friends, who is believed to have assisted in disposing of the body is also dead - a woman he knew killing him in self defense as he assaulted her. I believe the only person alive who knows the full details is Joran, and with the case closed by Aruba authorities and Joran sitting in a Peruvian prison for decades he has no incentive to confess.

@tankthearc9875

2 жыл бұрын

rumors only , i highly doubt a judge would do that , help cover it up with police? yes,

@audreydaleski1067

Жыл бұрын

I believe he helped hide the body, too.

This case has always been strange to me. I’ve always wondered why her friends and the chaperones let her go with a stranger. When I used to go out we had a rule that we never left with strangers or let each other out of our sight. It’s so odd that she was able to get away from the group unnoticed. I wish he family could get some closure from this. It’s such a tragedy.

@abumohandes4487

3 жыл бұрын

Like Van Der Sloot, I'm Dutch and the story has been covered here in much detail. Most of what we've heard has been coming from Van Der Sloot himself, who changed his stories all the time, likely instructed to do so by his father, who was studying law. So I think we know nothing for sure. And that seems to be the way he wanted it. Sad, but true.

@JustMe-px9qy

3 жыл бұрын

When I was a teenager…I would have left with a cute guy without giving it much thought. The world seemed very safe…at least in my eyes.

@daisymaefrench4041

3 жыл бұрын

@@JustMe-px9qy You're lucky you're still alive.

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, if I am recalling this case correctly that struck me as odd too? Deviating from the group in that scenario appears to be deadly.

@adrianjanssens7116

3 жыл бұрын

Great strategy Kay. Thank you for reminding us of how to party safely.

Poor Natalie wanting to see sharks, when she just didn’t realize she was with one.

@carlose6010

3 жыл бұрын

How do you see sharks from a beach at 3am? The scumbag prob tried feeding her to them with the lobster trap.

@erikparent8176

3 жыл бұрын

@@mollysmeow3455 Does anyone remember the Shark bit from early SNL? Knock, knock🐋 Who is it? Candy gram🐋 Opens the door.....🐋Aaaaahhhh!!!!

@interplanetjanet2012

3 жыл бұрын

@@erikparent8176 Land Shark!

@erikparent8176

3 жыл бұрын

@@interplanetjanet2012 Yes, I forgot that part!!! 🙂😉

@IAmJaguarPaw.ThisIsMyForest.

3 жыл бұрын

Well said.

The most unbelievable is that he had a wife in prison and a baby.

@l.w.paradis2108

3 жыл бұрын

One of the Manson family women married a Harvard Law grad. She died in prison. I don't know what happened to him.

@colico14

3 жыл бұрын

@@l.w.paradis2108 Manson himself had a much-younger fiance named Afton.

@leonieromanes7265

3 жыл бұрын

I just don't get women who want to hook up with imprisoned murderers.

@geral5292

3 жыл бұрын

@@leonieromanes7265 very poor woman, marrying him gave her the chance to get a better life for herself through the money Jorans family sends to Lima.

@autentyk5735

3 жыл бұрын

Happens all the time, especially in high-profile cases. Nothing unbelievable there.

I live in the same community that Natalie lived in Mountain Brook and gave a couple connections to her family. My MIL taught Natalie in elementary school and I drive past the house the Twittty’s and Natalie lived in. My aunt was the travel agent who initially made the travel plans but withdrew when she discovered how few chaperones were involved. Our cousins were in school with Natalie but we a year older and younger than Natalie. Natalie was an outstanding student who was very sweet and admired by fellow students. She had no history of drug use and had limited experience with alcohol. My aunt had gone to Aruba the previous year with the grads as a chaperone and reported that the drinking age is only 18 but chaperones did nightly curfew checks and reigned in the partying. This trip only had a couple chaperones and one was a college age sibling of one of the years. Our community was distraught over her disappearance and the ensuing ga my es Joran attempted to play with Natalie’s parents. Several of Natalie friends feel that the only way Natalie would have used drugs is if she was unknowingly drugged. She had developed a crush on Joran and underestimated how the alcohol would affect her especially if combined with a date rape drug. Her death has become a cautionary tale that showed violent crime can happen to anyone even the children of sheltered, affluent country club set. It opened the eyes of our community and reminded us that sometimes evil comes in the most “normal” looking packages. It’s still a terribly sad thing to think about and I always think about Natalie each day when I drive past the house she grew up in. She had so much potential and such a kind heart. Her death remains a tragedy here.

@wisdomist2144

9 ай бұрын

I never understood why Aruba was chosen for a high school graduation trip. Aruba is an "adult playground". Other than the beach, what else is there for visitors to do there other than going to bars and casinos? It's always seemed to me that Aruba was no place to take a group of 18 year olds.

@aliciahowell9617

9 ай бұрын

@@wisdomist2144 The MB community (which I married in to after growing up in a close by suburb) is where the majority of the wealthiest people in AL live. It’s just a quick 5-15 drive over Red Mountain into downtown but far enough for the problems of living as a Bham city resident. Even a “modest” 1970s-1980s built ranch style house can cost in the $400,000 to 700,000. The average income for a couple is only around $52,000 so there’s a huge disparity in the income of the residents and the surrounding suburbs. It creates a bubble that is extremely difficult to break in to and out of. They love their local shops and businesses that are owned by fellow residents. The travel agency my hubs aunt owned was based in the most chic of the handful of commercial areas of MB which have names like Crestline Village & English Village. It’s a whole networking thing to be seen shopping, eating and supporting the MB Villages and back then internet booking of travel wax new. Aruba has just been where the students every year for over a decade then. When the first trip was booked, it was just a slightly less wild, more exclusive place than Cancun or Jamaica (where a large part my high school class went). The parents had been there themselves and felt the island was smaller and happy with with their tourism experience. The trip was usually gossip fodder but no one ever fathomed something this awful could happen. Beth finally received her answers last week on what happened. He had his plea hearing for the extortion charges. He said he wanted to have sex with her and she refused. He became irate and kicked her in the head. He said he knew he had hurt her badly and couldn’t get away with it so he took a cinder block and crushed her skull in repetitive blows and then dragged her broken body into the ocean. He passed several polygraphs so the FBI and court felt it as mostly accurate. Natalie would have celebrated her 37th birthday last Sat.

Why do high school graduates have to go on extravagant trips out of the country just because they graduated from high school? Isn't that what they are supposed to do? What were the chaperones doing when she went off with strange guys? We all know this poor girl is dead and was dead right from the beginning. Rest in peace Natalie.

@susan7090

3 жыл бұрын

As an honor student, after graduation, I made a decision to allow my son to go to CanCun. He had the time of his life, near the same age as Natalie. It scares the heck out of me now that I made this decision. Thank God he wasn’t in harms way. Should have never let him go. It is too vicarious a location and was unnecessary.

@amym.694

3 жыл бұрын

My parents couldn’t afford those trips to send me on. I worked for spending money.

@jamesf8507

3 жыл бұрын

Uhh i wish i could have had such a vacation or a "leap year" like some of my friends - just time and money to travel for fun. instead it is just worry about money

@elaineteeter2904

3 жыл бұрын

My friends and I never even thought of going on a trip like that. Our parents wouldn't have allowed it. This was back in 1974. Why are kids doing such crazy things now? It's heartbreaking, what happened to Natalee

@jpmnky

3 жыл бұрын

I thought the exact thing from the day this story broke. You don’t set a bunch of 18 year olds loose in fucking Aruba.

I could never believe how he tried to extort her family by giving them false information and false hope of finding her remains!😢Despicable but is definitely an interesting case. Great analysis Dr Grande! Thank you!💖

This case broke my heart. Natalie did not deserve this. It bothered me for a long time. A young woman with her whole life ahead of her. I felt so bad for her mother. You can't ever get over this. RIP Natalie ❤❤❤ 🙏🙏🙏

I think about Natalie often. I really feel for her parents, especially mom. The absolute BS she has been through, and her murderer playing awful games with her! All of the scammer's.. Just heartbreaking. Thank you for this video, Dr. Grande. 💔🙏

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Yes thank you Dr. Grande

@tankthearc9875

2 жыл бұрын

often parents deny drug or alcohol use by their kids though.

He did it.

@JustDr.S

3 жыл бұрын

Yup.

I was in Aruba when Nathalee disappeared. It was a media circus and there was much speculation about what happened. Stephanie Flores might still be alive had Nathalee'a case been properly investigated. Joran's family still live in Aruba. Joran got married, and has regular interaction with his wife. He gets to do all that he denied Nathalee and her family.

Growing up in Alabama and still enjoying it here - this specific case was Mother's and many others cautionary tale to us children, especially. Thank you for another informative video.

This kind of high school class trip is a really bad idea as evidenced by all the drinking and partying by this class. These are not adults with all the life experience and maturity to avoid bad circumstances. Their reasoning and other skills are not fully developed at age 18.

@GenX7119

3 жыл бұрын

u sound ignorant..but u can join the army at 17 and I know plenty of 18 yr old mature..they had to grow up fast, and I also know plenty of old fools..age does not guarantee maturity

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed in my opinion the situation set them up for failure. Very sad

@horatioh5469

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, in my experience of world travel, American young people around that age are usually naive and ignorant of the situations they are in or could get themselves into.

@TomikaKelly

3 жыл бұрын

@@GenX7119 The army provides actual life skills and life training, a Girls Gone Wild themed trip to Aruba does not. The fact that we're watching a video about an 18 year old drunk who went missing is complete proof of what he's saying.

@maxwellschneiter

3 жыл бұрын

@@GenX7119 The military also enforces strict discipline and you can get in a lot of trouble for drinking underage, missing curfew, pissing off the locals, etc. These kids were basically let loose to party their asses off with no restrictions, it's really not the same thing.

I grew up with this story as well. Glued to nightly Nancy Grace as she covered it extensively. Some stories never leave you. This is one of them.

Um, who thought Aruba was a good school trip idea for 17 and 18 year olds? And what were the chaperones doing? Drinking, partying, and complaints from the hotel should have caused the trip to be cancelled and everyone going home. And that's that.

@lesleythompson6801

3 жыл бұрын

Here in southern California graduates go to DISNEYland, not to some border town in Mexico. I'm not dissing Mexico, but border towns are the classic temptation for irresponsible youngsters wanting to go wild. And I didn't want my middle schoolers going D.C. Too far away. I guess this Aruba thing was a private group plan.

@cerveza2297

3 жыл бұрын

Jeez

@traveljunkie3946

3 жыл бұрын

No offense man but i think that's the first and only crime of that nature that has ever happened in Aruba till today. How many of those crimes happens every in the USA? Of course every life lost is tragic but i dont think the USA should be the one pointing fingers in a case like this.

@lesleythompson6801

3 жыл бұрын

@@traveljunkie3946 My points are that it is a distant foreign country, and that in this situation it would be perceived by these kids as a place to go wild--Spring Break, if you will. I just don't think it's an appropriate party locale for American high schoolers.

@aliciahowell9617

3 жыл бұрын

My aunt was the original travel agent who was booking the trip. She owns the travel agency in Mt Brook that the MBHS grad groups always book the Senior graduation trip through. She had gone the year before as one of 4 parent chaperones with my cousin and his friends. There had never been any issues before with past groups. That year there were only going to be 2 chaperones and one was a college age sibling to one of the grads. Our aunt refused to book the trip that year for that issue. The seniors found another agent who was willing to book and make the arrangements. The kids did drink in previous years but parent chaperones were there to make sure no extreme drinking occurred and all the kids were accounted for at check in times. Our aunt had been concerned about the poor supervisor leading to trouble but never imaged it could go as badly as it did for Natalie. She was a really lovely young lady and it crushed our community to see this happen and then how Joran carried on to kill another woman.

I remember this case. Was crazy how he kept getting away and murdering more people

@eddie30991

3 жыл бұрын

More people? How many?

Only 7 chaperones for over 100 high schoolers in a foreign tropical paradise?!

@sandydee8003

3 жыл бұрын

I totally agree.

@Mama_Bear524

3 жыл бұрын

Ya that’s messed up. High schoolers can be very hard to control. 7 is woefully under the number it should be

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah the numbers do not add up doing simple math?

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

@@sandydee8003 I totally agree too!

@alice_rabbit8345

3 жыл бұрын

I wonder if any of the chaperones or students feel bad about her slipping away from the group?

I’m from Alabama. This case was in the news everyday! So sad!

Dr Grande is the hardest working KZreadr I have seen. I hope you will hit the million of subscribers because you clearly deserve it. And here I am not speculating but prognosing it. 😉❤

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Good one! Lol 😳😜

@kathyclark8274

3 жыл бұрын

Prognosticating, my friend

@bthomson

3 жыл бұрын

I think both are correct?🤔. But in any case I love❤how kindly (almost) all of Dr. Grande's commentators are to each other. He generates a congenial atmosphere sorely needed in today's dialog!

@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose

3 жыл бұрын

@@kathyclark8274 Thanks a lot 🙏😊

@RoseRoseRoseRoseRoseRose

3 жыл бұрын

@@bthomson Awww, you are sooo right❣ I appreciate the new independence of the people but also good old manners❣🥰❤

Oh wow…I requested this one a while ago! Thanks so much! 👏🏼 As a Dutch person myself I almost feel vicarious shame, even though I know obviously that makes no sense.. This guy’s a monster and I hope he rots away in that prison in Peru. I just read he’s being transferred back to a prison they call ‘hell on earth’ (Challapalca). Well, good for him! I personally think he took the statement “she wanted to see sharks” very literally…

I empathise deeply with the Halloway family. It must have been an unimaginable and ineffable tragedy, the disappearance of one’s own ☹️😭☹️

Thanks Dr Grande, For always giving us a timeline in all the cases you feature. It’s the first time I understood this story.

Thanks for this video. I followed the case until the case dropped out of the news cycle. I also spent a week in Aruba this past February and I thought about Ms. Holloway many times during the week. It is a lovely place to visit regardless of this tragedy.

This is certainly every parent worst nightmare. Very sad case. I always wondered about this case, thanks for reviewing it. Thank you for this analysis and for the wonderful video you just uploaded on Patreon, I truly appreciate all the work you do.❤️

The school district that authorized this trip should have been sued. That's ridiculous to have only 1 chaperone per 17 teenagers. And, this is what precipitated Natalie's situation that led her into the hands of Joran who killed her

The Disappearance of Natalee Holloway is a great in-depth documentary but I’ve never heard that she drank as much as Dr G states. Poor kid 😢

@chg1264

3 жыл бұрын

I’ve also followed this since the beginning, and I had never heard that.

@mschickie007

3 жыл бұрын

I had never heard that either . She was so wasted the other kids must have thought ‘ DONT even try and stop her’...?!?!??

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

What I am wondering about is if it was a situation where she was an inexperienced alcohol consumer and not having a tolerance in her drinking? Regardless sad

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

@@chg1264 I do not recall of hearing of that in her case?

@Suteruni

3 жыл бұрын

that was new to me also

I watched the oxygen story of this and I don’t ever remember them saying she was drinking all day

Thank you Dr Grande....this will be gold.

Making my Mondays, as per usual! Thanks Dr ☺️

I requested this one! Thank you Dr. Grande! great analysis, as always.

It's worth mentioning that a big part of the story is that the victim is a pretty, young, blonde woman. Her outward appearance motivated a lot of media coverage. Ultimately, commercial media was the one that got what it wanted.

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Yes the media can bring awareness to situations like this, but I am analyzing this situation! Lol

@Suteruni

3 жыл бұрын

I think her mother did a lot to get media attention for the case

@Suteruni

3 жыл бұрын

@@AnneEloiseOfCNY fair enough, have no idea how it was covered in your country.

I'm from Mountain Brook, the Hollaways lived near me, this devastated our community we have zero crime here and never expect to be victims of crimes especially something so heinous. Nobody is safe from evil.

Again watched it on my way to work 🙏🏻🙌🏻 loved the video! Thank you Dr Grande!

Your channel is growing and becoming better everyday.

Wow Doctor. You brought up information that I hadn't heard. I'm impressed by your investigatory nature. You never leave a stone un- turned. Thank you for your insight Doctor, you helped to stitch together many questions I had. Thank you once again for your interesting videos. 🌵

Agree to disagree, I would have loved to see more of a dive into the personality of Joran and the rage on the 5th anniversary of Natalee is when he murdered again in Peru. Appreciate the video, but requesting a deeper dive into Joran in the future would be great too.

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, the mind of the killer. Please Dr. Grande enlighten us! 🤔😳😜😎

@fearandsearchingfacts5132

3 жыл бұрын

I dont think there is a lot "there" honestly. Overall he's made weird an inconsistent statements. Like @drtoddgrande doesn't mention it but one really out of nowhere statement during a Fox interview Van der Sloot said that Natalee told him he mom is Hitlers sisters daughter. If youve also never seen the undercover "confession" that was pretty much all i needed. I think we could safely say a lot of people some weed, and a lot of people get extremely high off weed, but i can't think of a single instance where someone wrongfully confessed to killing someone. In that undercover tape you can see in his face and body he was just a scared little kid. Track all his public statements, body language, life choices and actions and everything starts compounding that the guilt wore on. Why he decided to publicly speak about it so much is also super strange bc none of it was for his innocence, at no point did he do anything to really clear his name. Recently a friend who was with him in Aruba during the murders and afterwards admitted that he helped dig up her body and completely destroy it. There appeared to be no advantage for him to say this. Ultimately it just appears that Sloot was just a scared kid who made an awful mistake and it just kept making horrible life choices after that.

@lynnhubbard844

3 жыл бұрын

@@fearandsearchingfacts5132 plus his very well connected father helped him slither out

@chad3232132

2 жыл бұрын

I'm glad he at least covered Natalee Holloway's incredibly poor behavior and lack of any real judgment. Based on her behavior in Aruba, it seems all but certain she would have been the type to go to college and quickly wash out as an alcoholic. All she did in Aruba was drink (almost certainly drugs too), and cause trouble. Her actions quite obviously directly led to her disappearance and presumed death. Had she behaved as a responsible adult she would have left Aruba without any problem.

@CwasTB1

2 жыл бұрын

@@chad3232132 Rather cynical and overly judgmental.

Great topic from Grande. Very interesting.

This case has always fascinated me. Thank you for doing a video about it

I'm sorry I'm behind! Thank you so very much, Dr. Grande. This case has always weighed heavy on my heart. John Ramsey (after 5 yrs from when Patsy passed away) spent lots of time with and dated Natalie's Mom. They didn't marry & they've both moved on, but what a horrific thing to both have in common-mysterious deaths of their children. Thank you again!

Always a like cause you're always the Doc. Thank you good sir

I've been to Aruba. It's such a small island that you get a false sense of security there. I believe (along with many locals) that Natalie is in the ocean or in a cave on the other side of the island and will never be found.

@erikparent8176

3 жыл бұрын

Half of the islands population is just waiting to pop out of the bushes at any moment! 🌲🌳🌾🦵🦵😜🤭 No, that's not going to happen! Have fun in the sun!!

Great, no absolutely top notch content! The amount of dedication to details is next level 👌

Poor Natalee and Stephany... the fact that Joran van der Sloot is married with a kid just boggles my mind.

A high school took their students to a massive beach party resort with all-you-can-drink booze and just let the students run wild... and we're supposed to be surprised that one got taken advantage of? Perhaps it's the adults who should've been making better decisions in this case. My high school simply took us to Catalina Island and let us go snorkeling... and believe it or not, we all made it back.

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

I believe you! Ours in 1993 was an all night casino party. I think 🤔 we earned fake money for prizes to redeem? It’s been so many years now but I do know ours very responsible in that not a drop of alcohol was present. I had a good time at mine even though my mom was a chaperone.

@erikparent8176

3 жыл бұрын

@@elanahammer1076 Fun stuff, good stuff! I'm from N.y. and my class trip was to Canada's wonderland amusement park! I'm not sure if it's still there. The trip was in the early 80's. 🎠🎡🎢🎪

@purpleslurple5149

3 жыл бұрын

This was absolutely not a school sanctioned event.

@erikparent8176

3 жыл бұрын

@@purpleslurple5149 The school's motto was, I want to rock n roll all night and party every day!

Addicted to these videos! Thanks Dr. Grande ♥️

Dr Grande. I've never heard of this case,but your analysis of them is brilliant. Thank you Dr Grande, have a great day.

Today our doctor introduced me to an island which I have never heard of before. Aruba. I knew the island Curacao, but that's it. Doctor's vids always broaden my mind. 🙂 💚

@tinameyer7080

3 жыл бұрын

Go to Bimini it is MUCH nicer than Aruba.

Too few chaperones for that many teens! Sounds like they were out of control so the hotel didn’t want a repeat. Most teens without supervision are going to be wild. This was simply not a good idea. It’s a shame nobody noticed or cared that she left the club with 3 strange men. That’s never going to have a good outcome. This was such a sad, sad case. The family appears to have been victimized by van der sloot twice. Once with Natalie and again with her desperate mother. This young man was invidiously evil. I wonder if there were other young women that fell victim to him that we just don’t know about.

You were right Dr. Grande! I hope you do a follow up in a video or short. I’m glad her mom and family got a little bit of closer.

Thanks for your thoughts on this topic Dr. G ❤️

You worked out an unique style. Really like your channel.

@bthomson

3 жыл бұрын

Everything about this channel is well thought out and satisfying!

Deepak and Sateesh brothers must know everything about this case. I wish they would one day come to their conscience and tell the world what exactly happened to Natalee.

@SerendipityNJ

3 жыл бұрын

They most likely aided and abetted him in this crime - in my opinion.

@yolielin4143

3 жыл бұрын

Maybe they all sexually attacked her together, that's why they are not telling.

@kat4933

3 жыл бұрын

@@yolielin4143 yup that’s what I think. No other reason for them to cover up after all these years.

Another tragic case 😟 Thank you for your interesting and great analysis Dr. Grande.

this is so heavy, I can't believe you tackled this topic!

As of October 18, 2023, time for an update video

Always dicey under another country's laws & getting justice. Another great analysis of a scary person & sad case Dr G😊💛💛

Great analysis once again , Doc G!😎🔥

I so enjoy your lectures. Thank you.

124 students with 7 chaperones. There was no way they could keep an eye on all tnose kids. This couldn't been the most freedom Natalie ever had. Drinking from morning til night sounds like a major issue Some kids go wild when they are not use to having freedom. She didn't deserve this to happen to her.

@janedoe7229

3 жыл бұрын

I know I thought omg a disaster waiting to happen.

@l.w.paradis2108

3 жыл бұрын

They were all graduates. She was an adult, legally at least.

@giiavvana

3 жыл бұрын

@@l.w.paradis2108 Um..and what about it? Graduating high school doesn’t mean immediate maturity. I know plenty of 18 year olds who are immature, foolish and naive.

@l.w.paradis2108

3 жыл бұрын

@@giiavvana As are plenty of 28 year olds. In principle, no adult needs a chaperone. They are a grown up. They can go to war, marry, be parents without anyone's oversight.

Man, I remember this case from the early 2000's. Joran was privileged, his father was a powerful man who bailed him out on many occasions. Look where he ended up.

@angelabender8132

3 жыл бұрын

Yes and finally he died prematurely of heartbreaking

@Arubaanse

2 жыл бұрын

Powerful? The media in the US potrayed him as powerful. He was a judge in training who failed his exams everytime

@hiiichristinaa371

2 жыл бұрын

@@Arubaanse Professionally he was not great, but he had political connections.

@Arubaanse

2 жыл бұрын

@@hiiichristinaa371 You can’t bail ppl out in Aruba. Our laws are deferent. Only the judge can decide. Also at that time, Nelson Oduber was our Prime Minister. If u live on the island, you would know how he disliked everything Dutch. He sure wasn’t a fan of Joran. Our relationship with the Netherlands is not so good (due to our history). So Arubans would not sacrifice anything for Dutch ppl. Also no one here saw Paulus or his family as elite or powerful. We know the powerful people on the island & the Van der Sloots are not it but here is the theory from Arubans. Joran def. did it. We believe this 100%. Also we do not believe there was a large group involved in this. Why? Because we are such a tiny island. No one here can keep a secret! No one! People would have talked already. Money would have made ppl talk long time ago. So it must have been a very very small group. Max 3 to 4 ppl. Also we fired so many of our chiefs & none of them could produce anything but we also never had to deal with a case like this before. Another thing. I do believe our law enforcement could have done a better job. Absolutely! Some of us the things were done poorly but America news media was screaming cover up after 2 days. They simply didn’t understand our Dutch laws. TJ Ward was the first to brainwash Beth that the we were trying to cover this case up. When we on the island saw our law enforcement budget go entirely on Holloway case alone and non for us locals. We saw all the things they did do for a tourist that they would have never done for us locals. Like hire a F16, bring a team from the Netherlands to work on this case. Asked us to help coporate and if we have seen something to please report. We also went out to help search for Natalee. Us, regular people to then sit at night & watch American media say and I quote “The entire island is in this. They are all covering up because they want the tourist dollars. It’s in their culture” and then Nancy Grace has the audicity to say she didn’t feel welcome on the island. Sorry for my long post. I left a lot out but it’s still long

So many quality videos uploaded in a short period of time!

I just came back from Aruba & I couldn’t stop thinking about her. There’s so much vacant land on the island that she could be buried somewhere. The other thought would be they dumped her in the ocean. Such a sad ending. She was such a beautiful intelligent young lady with a bright future❤

Thank you for analyzing this case Dr. Grande. I didn't know he killed a different girl and was arrested. It's sad he killed 1 or 2 girls, but I'm glad he was caught and arrested. This is such a sad case. I'm glad he's behind bars.

I've smoked a lot of pot. Never confessed to a crime I didn't commit.

@erikparent8176

3 жыл бұрын

Nice 🐈! I love me some cats! Is there such a thing a crazy old cat man? 🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🐈🦧

@missygoldstein12

3 жыл бұрын

exactly, that is just absurd. anyone whose ever smoked weed knows if anything it makes you MORE truthful,

Thank you for the REAL details of the individuals involved.

Even though these stories are terrifying, dr Grande’s voice has a calming effect on me.

Why is an 18 year old drinking? Why did a high school facilitate an international trip for 100 irresponsible teenagers? Why were there only 7 chaperones for 100 teenagers?

@angelatheriault8855

3 жыл бұрын

I’m not sure it was a school sanctioned trip. The teenagers had already graduated from high school and were all legally adults. Yet, I’m pretty sure 98% of the teens wouldn’t have been able to afford to go on the trip unless their parents paid for it.

@TomikaKelly

3 жыл бұрын

@Jo Jo These were American teenagers who've understood that 21 is the legal drinking age. The weren't residents of most of the world, they were residents of a country where 21 is the legal age. How did Natalee Holloway drinking at age 18 help her? 👀

@TomikaKelly

3 жыл бұрын

@Jo Jo My parents would've NEVER named me "Karen." 🙄 How did drinking at 18 help to protect Natalee? How did drinking at 18 help to keep her alive and safely returned back to her parents? 👀🙃

@davidjma7226

3 жыл бұрын

Yeah . .I am 40 and once visiting a tapas place in Virginia I was asked for ID. I didn't have any as I am Australian. I promised her I was and she said 'honey, if you ain't got a head of white hair you ain't over 21 to me'!!

i use to work in her hometown of Mountainbrook Alabama right outside of Birmingham. Very affluent area with beautiful people with no worries of danger just innocent growth. no wonder she was so trustworthy shame about her mother and how Sloot doesn’t tell the truth. he had help i think many of them did it and being by the ocean will never be found. RIP Natalee Holloway

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

Yes, May she Rest In Peace.

@michaelsledge3904

2 жыл бұрын

Facts

Please make longer videos!!! I could listen to your thoughts endlessly

This is really a sad story. Thank you for your thoughts and the interesting video!

Thanks Dr. Grande! Sad to know that Van Der Sloot never gave the actual story, or if he did, he had so many not believing the truth. Young life lost, I can't imagine what her mother had to go through.

I like your take on this , I’m a firm believer that his addiction to gambling was a big factor also , quite close to what you mentioned about Stephen Paddock and he just realized he would never get it back , hence why he confessed to Flores murder. plus the nightlife scene he had plenty of friends and followers in a wannabe gangsta world. He got caught up in lies I really think he was a compulsive gambler and that’s why he did the whole extortion thing and he has kept back details as he want to use it as leverage later if he ever gets close to getting out

Another great video

Love you Dr. Todd Grande ❤♥

I was in high school when this story came out I remember this such a tragedy. Certainly a cautionary tale.

I always wondered why her friends let her leave with 3 strangers. And where were the chaperones?

@sharona8737

3 жыл бұрын

Agreed

@narsheen4185

2 жыл бұрын

they druged her so her mind was blown away but i guess as she get raped she came back and started to scream thats why she dead…. horrible. … but i think she were fightig . well some friend of him told later that they used drugs. i do not think the other brothers where much invited in the rape.

Very good insights! 🤗

Great analysis Doctor G👍

I went to Aruba once. It was a hot, dry, windy rock surrounded by rough surf. My husband went scuba diving while I went to the topless beach ( I was young ok). It’s still a foreign country and visitors should use caution! One wonders where you can hide a body on an island!

@aking4766

3 жыл бұрын

In the ocean.

@Mogamishu

3 жыл бұрын

What is your bra size?

@thelocalmaladroit8873

3 жыл бұрын

@@Mogamishu hahaha! Guess I walked right into that one. I need to stay off the internet!

Damn Im from Lima, Peru. This case was huuuuge when it happened, he killed the girl because she won 10.000 dollars at a local casino here. real monster!

@angelabender8132

3 жыл бұрын

Both gambling?

Looking forward to your perspective on this vile human. Thanks for your hard work!

Dr. Grande🤗 great analysis

We have seen so many cases like this in some many horror and thriller movies.

@elanahammer1076

3 жыл бұрын

I do not watch horror movies…. Real life is far more scarier! Lol

Vandersloot killed her. It's obvious and his actions in the years after gave all the clues.

So glad that you revisited this case.very sad story..

Unbelievable how fast you are edging towards a million subscribers. Well deserved.