Everyone: "this is historically inaccurate." Ridley Scott: "Shut up! You weren't even there."

@Ar1AnX1x

6 ай бұрын

its really weird how people lack of trust in experts has turned into this weird thing where they pretend like they know almost as well as people who've whole expertise is a certain thing, like historical stuff, not to mention Napoleon wasn't that long ago to act like history on the matter is speculative or something

@Sercotani

6 ай бұрын

@@Ar1AnX1x weird? To put it nicely, people hate it when they lack knowledge in certain fields. We just went through a pretty rough pandemic and we had those types. the difference with Ridley Scott is that he's got an actual history with making movies and _still_ fucked up. The ego from that probably doesn't help.

@user-qo1us9oc7g

6 ай бұрын

can't imagine a 85 year old man using the word fuck.

@Ar1AnX1x

6 ай бұрын

@@Sercotani putting Danny DeVito as Napoleon would be the most lore accurate decision

@theMyouknow

6 ай бұрын

Ey im walkin ere ! *Danny Devito as Napoleon.@@Ar1AnX1x

Epic History TV's Napoleon series is all you need.

@winstonsmith8482

6 ай бұрын

There's a few other worthy contenders, there was a BBC docu-drama type thing that covered his rise during the siege of toulon, it was really well done. And then there is the "Waterloo" (1970) film, which is fantastic, with absolutely huge and epic battles scenes. But yeah, Epic history TV's napoleon series is great.

@absboodoo

6 ай бұрын

@@winstonsmith8482 this is taking me down a memory lane trip. i gotta rewatch a lot of the stuff again lol

@placeholder3853

6 ай бұрын

The Age of Napolean podcast is probably as exhaustive an exploration of Napoleon as you can get without becoming an academic historian. Every little detail of the politics and battles is covered, it's excellent.

@S1eeperServ1ce

6 ай бұрын

I have viewed it over and over :) If they could stitch every episode together and add the Best Marshals videos as well - I would go to to Cinema to watch it. I shall not be watching this Napoleon movie. Master and Commander as well as Duelists are fantastic and it’s a real shame he dropped the ball with Napoleon 😢

@Rustygiz

6 ай бұрын

Love that channel. Also watched Best Marshals multiple times.

Ridley Scott has lost it. I literally cannot believe he's making gladiator two. I have to assume he's turned the corner into "make money at all costs" cynic.

@DubsBrown

6 ай бұрын

Was just thinking this. So lucky he didn’t direct Top Gun Maverick

@MioRaem

6 ай бұрын

The man also said if he had directed Blade Runner 2049, he would have cut 40-50 minutes. Yeah. Ridley has lost the plot.

@Waytheresawill

6 ай бұрын

He’s like an mma fighter who refuses to accept he’s on the wrong side of his career. With every release, like every knockout, he tarnishes his legacy. At this point, much like Tony Ferguson, I want there to be an intervention.

@iverkjellkken6569

6 ай бұрын

You know one of the worst things about Gladiator 2? In it's current description it explains that it is going to star Maximus' grown up son. That destroys the whole point of the first movie where Maximus wants revenge for his dead family.

@Waytheresawill

6 ай бұрын

@@iverkjellkken6569 weren't his wife and son both burnt to a crisp and hung outside his villa? I certainly know a horse trampled his son in the middle of nowhere.

I found Ridley Scott's excuse about the movie being not historical accurate quite funny. If he really doesn't care about the movie being atleast tried to be as accurate as possible to the real story, then I wouldn't mind Napoleon fighting Optimus Prime or T-Rex at this point 😂

@Longshanks1690

6 ай бұрын

There’s already an edit where Napoleon fires a cannon and it hits the giant transformer from Transformers 2 on the Pyramid. 😂

@maskedman5657

6 ай бұрын

Dude a lot of Creators take liberties with their historical pieces. The creator for Ghost of Tsushima says he wasn't going for historical accuracy. Does that mean the Monguls are supposed to be Zombies with regenerating Limbs?

@markling5058

6 ай бұрын

Ur just pathetic at the end of the day it got the main beats and filmmakers change things cos make a film more entertaining there is a huge difference with changing small things to adding a trex stop quoting ur KZreadrs and have a valid opinion

@Longshanks1690

6 ай бұрын

@@maskedman5657 I’ve never seen anyone except Scott be so contemptuous of the idea that they should be aiming for historical accuracy though. Most people in that position will say it’s not their focus but admit that it’s at least understandable as something to want. Meanwhile Scott is over here baffled that people want to see an accurate Napoleon movie like he’s never met a history enthusiast in his life or something. 😂

@makasete30

6 ай бұрын

The battles were apparently quite realistic and they hired a military expert to arrange correct formations, battle tactics. Some of the criticisms are quite funny, too. It’s a movie, not a documentary. Brave heart is also incredibly inaccurate but it’s just a great movie. Most of the criticisms are from the French reviewers and critics who are annoyed they didn’t paint him in a more positive light, or forget that Napoleon exaggerated a lot of his earlier successes to rise through the ranks. But French audiences loved it, I’m just going from articles so that could be wrong.

Fun fact: Napoleons Nickname of the “Little Corporal” is actually due to his bravery under command and not his height. When he had his first major command in Italy in 1796, his troops loved him for his eagerness and charisma. Napoleon would also “humble himself” as a general by personally aiming the cannons during several battles, most notably during the battles of Lodi and the Arcole. It was a term of endearment that napoleon himself liked.

@thefrenchspacer

6 ай бұрын

There are several battle were soldiers menaced to wont go to the fight because they dont want Napoleon expose himself so much in the front line

@Kededian

6 ай бұрын

He was 168 cm tall. So not that small as the English want us to believe.

@TheFatalcrest

6 ай бұрын

I assume it's humbling by their standards because that sounds awesome that he would jump in on the big guns with his men.

@rankcolour8780

6 ай бұрын

@@Kededian Dude that's 5 and a half foot, that's pretty short.

@pakkazull8370

6 ай бұрын

​@@rankcolour8780not 200 years ago

As a history buff that was initially hyped for this movie then later disappointed, just watch Epic History TV's Napoleon series on youtube. Its top tier, dramatic but factually accurate and gripping.

@contentconsumer3743

6 ай бұрын

💯

There are two fundamental problems with this movie. The first is that it's not the movie we - or History Buffs to be specific- wanted it to be. We wanted to see the young, ambitious, cunning, intelligent, brilliant Corsican officer rise to become Emperor using his wits and talents. We wanted to see his genius in planning battles and why his men followed him to the bitter end. We wanted to see the political climber who used lies and manipulation to claw his way to the top and stay there. We even wanted to see the Liberal reformer who made many compromises in realising his agenda for France. However, Scott wasn't interested in any of that. He wanted to tell a much more personal tale of Napoleon and Josephine, showing the world through their eyes and romance. An interesting angle but ok. That then brings us into the second problem with the movie as it fails spectacularly at that too. Who is Napoleon? Who is Josephine? Why do they love each other? Why does she cheat on him and why can't he let her go? Why are they so obsessed with each other and what draws them to each other? I sure as hell can't tell you based on the text of the film. We're never given any of the details to help us understand who they are, why they're drawn together and why it's tragic when circumstances force them apart. We just don't understand or care about them as we're never given the time to as so much attention is spent on battles and the political moves of Napoleon which, again, also aren't very well developed so rather than being a deep dive into Napoleon is instead a jumbled, confused, unfocused mess. And what's so frustrating is that all of the pieces are there! Phoenix and Kirby could have been great, the set pieces are spectacular, the movie in general looks gorgeous and with more time or a better script, could have been great. Really, I think Josephine should have been the main character. Call it "The Emperor's Wife" or something and frame it through her eyes, so no battles or politics, just show how she viewed him on her own. That's the only way it could have worked. Cos trying to do ALL this, and for a theatrical cut? It was as doomed for failure as invading Russia.

@boarfaceswinejaw4516

6 ай бұрын

Ridley scott has had a really bad streak when it comes to how he frames his historical epics. they've never been historically accurate, but at least they were poignant and had a very clear point. The duellists did a great job of showing the pettiness and subtle brutality of the very concept of honor duels. Gladiator was very good at portraying how Rome fell from grace from within due to the extravagances of a madman emperor, and how the system ultimately gave birth to its own demise. Kingdom of Heaven showed the violence and partial fruitlessness of the crusades, how despite the strength of knights and brilliant field commanders a combination of greed and underestimating their opponents would ultimately cause the undoing of the whole effort. but then you start having movies like the Conquest of paradise which is little more than gross revisionism meant to glorify one of history's biggest assholes. Last Duel was a bit better, with an interesting idea with the whole rashomon effect concept, but ultimately fell short due to stilted acting and the need to make a rather flaccid statement. not too surprised that napoleone wasnt recieved all too positively considering ridley scott's modus operandai.

@sheealex04

6 ай бұрын

Very well said. Part of the problem with the theatrical cut is that it feels like Scott is balancing two aspects of Napoleon's life, instead of focusing on one more than the other. The film is listed as War/Action, but most of it was his relationship with Josephine. So which is it? I feel like the 4 hr cut would clear a lot of the pacing up, but Napoleon's character might still be flawed and historically inaccurate. I don't want to make excuses or whatnot, but this film's narrative was just a let down, even though everything around it was great.

@Autobotmatt428

6 ай бұрын

Yeah you hit the nail on the head for me. I didn't feel the love those to had for each other and a lot of it felt like you were interrupting people in the middle of sex or a fight or a bad conversation that ends in hurt.

@phillipdistel5131

6 ай бұрын

Very well put. Thank you for expressing this in such a detailed format. I agree with everything you said. I tried so hard to watch this movie all the way to the end but left at Napoleon's cavalry charge at Waterloo. The movie was such a wasted opportunity.

@Autobotmatt428

6 ай бұрын

@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 Even Blackhawk Down though a great film does get a lot wrong. After reading the book I can now point out all the flaws the film has though it is still a great film. Honestly compared to the 3 you mentioned its the least offensive in terms of bad history. But all films you mentioned are bad in there history and some like Kingdom of Heaven sacrifice history for a pseudo historical point and clear biases.

Napoleon was sold to us as a political and military drama, where the infamous general schemes his way to become emperor while destroying his enemies on the battlefield. We got a relationship drama which ignores Napoleon’s failings while highlighting Josefine’s, interspersed with a few poorly re-enacted battles for trailer-bait.

This is nothing but a parody of Napoleon’s life. This is nothing but a bad fanfic. As ever Alex is spot on!😅

@Karlach_

6 ай бұрын

It's almost like giving an 85 year old who keeps making financial duds 200 million dollars is a bad idea.

@creatorsfreedom6734

6 ай бұрын

soo this crap is not a Three Part'er ?

@bdleo300

5 ай бұрын

Ridley Scott today is a parody of Ridley Scott 30+ years ago... there is a line in Gladiator: 'people should know when they are conquered'; people should know when to retire....

@kimberlykeel2744

3 ай бұрын

The last duel was one of his best movies, people’s IQ are so low, they didn’t understand it.

Battle of Waterloo Napoleon's army was made of 75000 soldiers against 150000 and it still was a short run That tells a lot about the genius of this man and the bravery of the mens around him despite all the factors against him (sickness, weather, mistake from few men on his side, treason, battlefield chose by the ennemi, and so on) He was known to won battles against biggest army a lot of times

Fun napoleon fact, he actually spoke French as a second language. he grew up speaking Corsican and was never able to get rid of his Corsican accent when speaking French

@AzraelDarkness64Gaming

6 ай бұрын

That interesting 🤔

@tylersilvas3924

6 ай бұрын

Would have been great to explore that issue and how he was constantly mocked for his accent.

@Longshanks1690

6 ай бұрын

With everyone else speaking with British accents, I thought the angle they were going for was to replicate that with Phoenix’s American accent making him stand out just like Napoleon’s Corsican accent but… nope 🫠

@pipemartz

6 ай бұрын

Third language, I think. He grew up speaking Corsican and Italian. His parents were from Genoa Italy.

@spajkilza1992

6 ай бұрын

Whaaat? Waait a minute. I thought he spoke engliiissh?!

Alex spitting facts once again! That movie was garbage. Oppenheimer felt like an hour to me, Napoleon felt like 6 hours.

@anthonylopez899

6 ай бұрын

They both felt long in my opinion

@xXxKAMIKAZExXx

6 ай бұрын

Oppenheimer flew by. Great pacing.

@MajorChipHazard16

6 ай бұрын

I wasnt a fan of how the story was being told in Oppenheimer. IMO they could have cut the fat out and made it an hour shorter. Especially the scenes with Oppenheimer and that communists lady who ended up killing herself. I didn't see the point in that or how she was important to the story of Oppenheimer. I think flowers of the killermoon had better story telling for a 3.5 hour long movie. I think F.T.K.M. will beat out Oppenheimer for film of the year.

@Secret_Takodachi

6 ай бұрын

Oppenheimer was a long ass waste of time, I learned his actual history back in high school. Watching a dramatization of his life was boring as fuuuuuckkkkkk. 😂

@hardtymz2517

6 ай бұрын

I loved how Barbie made a cameo in Oppenheimer.

Alex is on point when he mentions Amadeus. Totally historically inaccurate yet tells a captivating story. When a story is well told, the audience has no time to worry about historical accuracy.

@godofevil9468

6 ай бұрын

*cough* Greatest showman *cough*

@janecreek681

6 ай бұрын

Gladiator is one of the most inaccurate film I have ever seen. It might as well be Xena Warrior Princess. Yet, it's an excellent film.

@Nostromo2144

6 ай бұрын

@@janecreek681 What we do in life...echoes in eternity.

@Nostromo2144

6 ай бұрын

If it was 100% historically accurate, they would have included Napoleon sending messengers back to Josephine after he won a battle and was heading back...with the message 'don't bathe'. I will let you fill in the blanks! ;)

@janecreek681

6 ай бұрын

@@Nostromo2144 That was an awesome line.

I'm so concerned about Gladiator 2 😬

@winstonsmith8482

6 ай бұрын

Gladiator 2 will be the heroic journey of a gay female gladiator beating up men 3 times her weight & size while rejecting all the evil misogynist Emperors advances, while telling him she don't need no man. Can't wait.

@rapedslime7040

6 ай бұрын

You should have been since its announcement. Gladiator is a movie that absolutely doesnt lend itself to a sequel(especially not in current day).

@Sercotani

6 ай бұрын

@@winstonsmith8482 exaggeration. What a useful tool.

Some fun facts: Napoleon actually fought 60 battles and lost 7. He was a notorious womanizer, and a Romantic (by that I mean the Romance Movement, not a swooner, but he could be like that when he needed to be). Josephine stopped cheating on him after he returned from his Egyptian campaign. Napoleon also had a torrid love affair with a Polish noblewoman named Maria Waleska, who arguably is the only woman he loved next to Josephine, and with whom he had a son. Marie Louise, his second wife, was also proven to be an incredibly loyal woman, who pleaded to her father, the Austrian Emperor Francis I, to join in Napoleon’s exile, so much so that the guy hired an officer to seduce her and dissuade her from that foolishness.

@trapez77

6 ай бұрын

You don’t know shot about Naporleone

@Maximus-pd9kl

6 ай бұрын

Nerd.

@shadow_force

6 ай бұрын

Essaying

@Kane.JimLahey.

6 ай бұрын

Look bud idk what you're smoking but it must be INCREDIBLY strong. Stop doing drugs homie.

@westlink1985

6 ай бұрын

You have your stats wrong. He fought 86 battles and won 75.

The movie had no mention of Napoleon’s relationship with his Marshals with whom some were dear friends like Marshal Lannes and family members like Marshal Murat who married Napoleon’s sister.

Master and commander is a love letter to historically accurate cinema.

@sgtbaker2072

6 ай бұрын

FanTAStic movie.

@mar10ssj1

2 ай бұрын

Except the actual story was the British fighting the Americans. But that would not play well in America so they made the antagonist French.

The history buffs channel is going to tear this movie apart, and rightfully so because I thought this movie sucked and had no and agree with Alex wholeheartedly. This could have easily been an awesome show on streaming with multiple seasons that is historically accurate somewhat like The Crown. Of course Ridley couldn't be involved because he can't do anything that's accurate. As for napoleon, I believe you could probably watch the PBS documentary it's like five parts and it's pretty awesome and you get everything and get the gist and awesomeness of Napoleon's life.

@johnv6806

6 ай бұрын

The history buffs channel does like 2 videos a year at this point.

@RMD94

6 ай бұрын

Kingdom of Heaven was great

@jameshill8493

5 ай бұрын

@@johnv6806facts

I really wished we had Stanley Kubrick’s version of Napoleon

@Latinkon

6 ай бұрын

Hopefully the planned TV series that's based on Kubrick's screenplay gets off the ground sooner rather than later....

@UNrDD

6 ай бұрын

There would be naked women so there is that.

@hunterfreese7287

6 ай бұрын

Is that a thing? I wanna see it now!

@deadn00b1

6 ай бұрын

@@hunterfreese7287it was originally gonna get made, though it was cancelled cuz the budget was too much

@Sarazoul

6 ай бұрын

Watch Waterloo. It's free on KZread. 50 years old movie, and still the closet thing to a historically accurate portrayal of Napoleon. Also has some of the greatest battle scenes of any movie portraying that Era. As for Scott's version. I'm French and everyone here hates this movie with a passion. Phoenix gave a good performance but this is NOT Napoleon. The man who pretty much conquered Europe, won over 60 battles, became emperor... coming from nothing. And you portray him abandoning his men in Egypt just because he was upset that Josephine was cheating on him? For real? (He did abandon his campaign in egypt but for tactical reasons. Not for Josephine 😂). Not to mention Napoleon aiming canons directly towards the pyramids 😂. (Never happened. The pyramids were 19km away from the actual battle) Oh yeah, and fucking SNIPERS during the Napoleon wars. SNIPERS. I mean what the actual fuck 😂😂😂. I never expected historical accuracy from Scott. But this movie was just insulting to our history.

I think Ridley has lost a lot of respect with the way he's treated the history, he certainly lost mine. Most people get their education from film and tv these days,so treating the history as such can a lot of damage to the actual history. Scott will need a miracle to get back in many people's graces.

@vigilantenfdl4424

6 ай бұрын

The truth is so interesting, I never understand why they stray

@sproductionsinc

6 ай бұрын

@@vigilantenfdl4424 Yes!

@Autobotmatt428

6 ай бұрын

Honestly he has never been true to history in his films like Black Hawk Down gets close but falls short of the history and events. Honestly films like Black Hawk Down, Gladiator and more are able to get away with bad history because there well acted and well shot.

@Autobotmatt428

6 ай бұрын

@@vigilantenfdl4424 Cause they feel they need to add some Hollywood like flare no matter how good the history is.

@squaeman_2644

6 ай бұрын

That's my problem with any movie honestly, the need to dramaticise basic things give off the impression of self parody...

My lovely wife kindly bought Napoleon IMAX tickets for a nice post-holiday trip to the movies. We sat there mostly bored, looking over at each other mocking the terrible editing, forgettable nameless side characters, confusing story consisting of disconnected events, and dour Joaquin Phoenix. Not only did Napoleon disappoint us…it stole hours of our lives, some of it pushing through Black Friday mall parking lot traffic, and robbed us of nearly $95 ($75/tickets, $20/concessions). I could have bought the new Columbo 6 season Blu-Ray boxed set for less money. After typing this I almost want to file a police report against Ridley Scott for robbing us of time and money…and that 2023 Columbo Blu-Ray boxed set.

I feel like Ridley Scott always does this thing for his historical flicks where he nails small details in terms of accuracy but for the actual story and characters just writes up a historical drama.

@NCC1371

6 ай бұрын

He doesn't put any effort into understanding how warfare works. The battle of Waterloo in the movie was a moshpit of nonsense.

@deedsofdecapitation7477

6 ай бұрын

I wouldn't say that. Black Hawk Down is his best film, and one of the best war films of all time, and the battle scenes (which is pretty much the entire movie), are perfect. @@NCC1371

It wasn't a bad movie, just badly named, it shouldn't be named "Napoleon" but "Anti-Napoleon"

@eff_gee321

6 ай бұрын

should've been called, Josephine and the corporel.

@Fanthomas1742

5 ай бұрын

The general who loved me

Napoleon was often described as being short in stature. In actual fact, the height of five foot two recorded on his death was in French units, which were equivalent in today's measurement to five foot, six and a half inches or 169 centimetres - an average height.

@gs7828

6 ай бұрын

He was also above the French average of the time.

@bdleo300

6 ай бұрын

British propaganda, still repeated today...

@hardtymz2517

6 ай бұрын

That still not a man’s height as in current times. At all. They were spittin mad troof when they called him “short fk.”

@Maverick14444

5 ай бұрын

​@@carruthers100 You'll be very surprised if you hear many other takes on this. The myth is still very present in the minds of many people, and when you try to explain it with history and factual evidence, you sound to those people like a Napoleon fanatic or a French nationalist. That's a bit too much for me.

@ldeschamps6149

5 ай бұрын

@@hardtymz2517 By your logic literally every single person living at that time would be a "short fk", I'd explain to you the concept of relativity but if you don't have the basic common sense to figure it out by your own I believe you're a lost cause.

Fun Fact: Napoleon was the most successful General in all of known history. The battles were good but that was about it. I do not believe for a second the characterization of Napoleon here. He was a very charismatic leader and because of the way he led his troops, they loved him.

@benjiro8793

6 ай бұрын

Think about it, he lost loads of troops in the Russia campaign, got exiled (and you expect soldiers to hate his guts for the mass deaths in Russia), came back and yet soldiers did not shoot him but actually joined him. Not a lot of general can pull that off... Movie really never showed why he was loved, ...

Seeing Joe dressed up like Napoleon fills me with an extreme amount of joy and whimsy

@HappyDude1

6 ай бұрын

I think he looks like a warlord in that suit 😂

@prathapkutty7407

6 ай бұрын

​@@HappyDude1he looks gadaffi in that costume😂

@bryant7542

6 ай бұрын

Joe seems to love being in a commanding role. General, CO. Possibly his ego

@hardtymz2517

6 ай бұрын

Wait until you see 2005 Lindsay Lohan!

Unfortunately Scott takes a lot of pride in how fast he works. He has this "I stick 12 cameras on everything yo, gets that shit done fast boi, everybody has to keep up with me" attitude in his last few movies. He is just one of those filmmakers that is so far down the profession's path with so many asskissers around him, he has lost sight of what makes a good movie.

Couldn’t convince any friends to go see it with me. So dragged the wife after some begging to see it. She was so angry I’d wasted her time. When the credits rolled the look on her face said it all. And I have to say, I agreed with her. It sucked!

AJ: "Older actresses don't sell tickets..." OJ: "TAKE MY MONEY!!" *hauls out money gun and sprays the room* 🤣🤣🤣

This movie was a real let down man

@aaronhiggins986

6 ай бұрын

I think I’m gonna give the 4 hour directors cut a chance because they focused more on the relationship between Josephine and Napoleon rather than his career

@fredy2041

6 ай бұрын

Dude, your wong, like very wrong, the movie was good.

Napoleon was not short, he was average height for his time and local, 5'8" or 5'9". The Napoleon complex has Zero to do with physical height.

@josephnissenson3252

6 ай бұрын

All because some British political cartoon artists drew him as short and pudgy because they hated him

@ivvan497

6 ай бұрын

Napoleon was somewhere between 5'2 and 5'6. He was not 5'8 or 5'9. That was minimum height for the guard. And average height in france and in general at that time was around 165cm or 5'5 - 5'6

@delusionalfrog

6 ай бұрын

I'm pretty sure I read somewhere that he was 5'7. Literally above average for the lower class at the time, however, as he rose in rank within the army (and especially with his meteoric rise) he was mocked by officers for his height as officers from noble families were an average of 6 foot-6'1. That extends to almost every other nation too. Nobles could afford more resources and often were much taller than the average citizen. Look at WW1 casualty lists. Almost all the officers are tall, even by today's standards despite the average soldier being 5'4-5'5.

@ivvan497

6 ай бұрын

@@delusionalfrog napoleon was a noble too before he became emperor... And no, many nobles were super short. People like archduke Charles was in 15xcm range, nelson was 5'2" or smth like that. Being very tall was considered 175-180cm and those men were sent to grenadiers.

@HeAndrRoiz

6 ай бұрын

@@ivvan497 Napoleon was not 5'2 (different countries had different sizes for "1 foot"), he was around 169-170cm which was taller than the average Frenchman at the time.

Love how Joe dressed up like Cap'n Crunch to do this review.

Ridley scott has had a really bad streak when it comes to how he frames his historical epics. they've never been historically accurate, but at least they were poignant and had a very clear point. The duellists did a great job of showing the pettiness and subtle brutality of the very concept of honor duels. Gladiator was very good at portraying how Rome fell from grace from within due to the extravagances of a madman emperor, and how the system ultimately gave birth to its own demise. Kingdom of Heaven showed the violence and partial fruitlessness of the crusades, how despite the strength of knights and brilliant field commanders a combination of greed and underestimating their opponents would ultimately cause the undoing of the whole effort. but then you start having movies like the Conquest of paradise which is little more than gross revisionism meant to glorify one of history's biggest assholes. Last Duel was a bit better, with an interesting idea with the whole rashomon effect concept, but ultimately fell short due to stilted acting and the need to make a rather flaccid statement. im not surprised a lot of people werent too fond of Napoleon. one of the legit greatest figures, both in terms of size and his impact on france and wider europe and its history. you'd need a tv series to fully encapsulate the depth and width of his life and achivements, and ridley scott just isnt the man to capture it.

Amadeus is one of the greatest movie of all time! You're right Alex! And Amadeus isn't about Accuracy, it's a movie to make you understand how great Mozarts was and it manage this perfectly.

@madjoe8622

6 ай бұрын

That's my number 1.

@hardtymz2517

6 ай бұрын

That movie was about a slave ship??

@jdpc9391

6 ай бұрын

@@hardtymz2517 What, no Amadeus is a movie about Mozart, the composer

Napoleon was average height at the time. Not a shorty at all. Most Frenchmen stood between 5'2” and 5'6”. Napoleon was about 5-5 or 5-6, which was slightly taller than average for the times for people generally.

@samagic322

6 ай бұрын

Who cares

I'd love to hear what Joe&Crew think about perhaps just casting french actors for this. Nothing against the actors that were chosen, but there are good french actors that could do the job and do the characters justice *and* be very good in the film.

@gordonchard6243

6 ай бұрын

Would have been good to have seen a wide range of French accents as I'm sure a corsican accent different greatly from a parisian. Often shows use English actors like chynobyl did to show a wide variety of accents but without needing actors to put on lame accents. I understand they want a big actor to play napoleon but the rest of the actors should have been as accurate as possible.

This would have been a PERFECT role for Daniel Day-Lewis, damn his well earned retirement!

@15allnite

6 ай бұрын

Day-Lewis is like 6’2” or 6’3”. Way too tall for that role.

@seanbrazell7095

6 ай бұрын

@@15allnite So was Hugh Jackman for Wolverine. Hardly a problem, ESPECIALLY for a historical ish Ridley Scott film!

@josephnissenson3252

6 ай бұрын

​@@seanbrazell7095danny devito is the only man who can play 😊comic-accurate wolverine

@Ar1AnX1x

6 ай бұрын

Danny DeVito would be perfect for the role

@seanbrazell7095

6 ай бұрын

@@Ar1AnX1x I'm pretty sure that, had Danny Devito been cast as Napoleon , France would have spontaneously combusted.

I think it would've been better if they pulled an Amadeus and started the story with Napoleon writing/recounting his memoirs so you have an unreliable narrator situation. Would've given the movie more leeway

Scott: Fuck history! Fuck critics! Also Scott: This isnt even my preferred version of the film....

@hardtymz2517

6 ай бұрын

Then don’t make a movie that you somehow have no control over. Lame.

His life should have been shown in atleast 3 films his rise , his peak then his fall

Cant wait to see how Alex breaks this down. One of the best reviewers of the bunch

@mesicek7

6 ай бұрын

He's the most level headed.

@winstonsmith8482

6 ай бұрын

Same Love the whole crew, Joe is the GOAT game reviewer, but Alex is the GOAT film reviewer, (and OJ is great in the skits and great comic relief!) .

@zej8777

6 ай бұрын

​@@winstonsmith8482OJ is more of the middle man, the less critical , and how the average viewer would see things . Not really the comical relief, they all share that equally

@startrekmaniac1701

6 ай бұрын

He’s overly critical and annoying

@colonelsanders1774

6 ай бұрын

@@winstonsmith8482OJ is the complete package

7:31 "I liked it a little less than you guys" - Alex Completely shocked!! Then he rants for 4mins. Come on bro!

awesome movie, loved the part where napoleon stormed the beaches of Normandy with his troops, so brave

@madjoe8622

6 ай бұрын

The scene near the end where a tank is blown up by a plane, man I didn't expect that.

@Sercotani

6 ай бұрын

made me spit out my curry bro, what the hell

@derworfnet

5 ай бұрын

Heh, this reminds me of the final battle from Scotts' _Robin Hood_ which *literally* features Robin leading an Army against a French Invasion coming ashore near Dover in Boats that suspiciously look like WW2 Landing Craft.

This movie felt like a speedrun of his life, and even so, told in a mediocre way.

I think Eva Green would have been great pick for Josephine plus she’s actually French

It felt like a purposeful character assassination. I saw it as a parody made by a stubborn grumpy old Englishman who dislikes the French.

@Executor009

6 ай бұрын

Ok now i want to see the movie hahahaha, that sounds interesting.

@D25Bev

6 ай бұрын

Everyone dislikes the French

@squaeman_2644

6 ай бұрын

I love the French 🇺🇲♥️🇫🇷

@benjiro8793

6 ай бұрын

@@Executor009 Not really ... you can do a good character assassination movie that is still enjoyable or just make a bad movie that looks like character assassination. This is the second one.

As long as Napoleon's naval defeat at Trafalgar is correctly attributed to Blackadder dressing up as the Prince Regent and informing Wellington that it was better for Nelson to engage the French & Spanish navies at Trafalgar than wait for a sneak attack in Alaska then it's historically accurate enough for me :D

The Duel was underrated imo, I’d recommended that over Napoleon

The film Waterloo (1970) is a great watch Joe. Rod Steiger is an excellent Napoleon.

He's always got a costume, but this one really nails it. LOL Awesome.

Generals would typhically actually do lead their men into battle in those times. That's why the loss of Officers and Generals were so common back then. General Lasalle and Maréchal Jean Lannes were just two of the many, many great Commanders who fell in those days. Napoleons letter to Lannes wife was actually heartbreaking to read and displays once more his great affection for his men who clearly also believed in the cause they were fighting for. An excerpt from the letter; “The Marshal has died this morning, of his wounds received on the field of honour. My pain equals yours. I lost the most distinguished General in my army, and a companion in arms for sixteen years, whom I considered my best friend.”

Pacing yeah seriously!!!! there's 5 seconds between Josephine begging not to be thrown out of his property, with her bags all packed outside in the rain... and then her playing some Freudian mind games about how he's nothing without her and his mother...

Literally the next day I watched Waterloo as medicine. This would've been better as a series of films.

Just finished Netflix's series The Fall of the House of Usher. It was SO good. If you're familiar with the stories of Edgar Allan Poe...you will enjoy this series. The series as a whole is brilliant but the standout episodes are "The Tell Tale Heart" and the series finale "The Raven".

@Davidsworldtravels

6 ай бұрын

Show was perfect for Halloween. Sounds like Napoleon needed a premium series not an odd movie.

"Amadeus" was such an epic movie.

The best napoleonic film is Sergei Bondarchuks War and Peace. In terms of story accuracy and artistic license due to the book adaptation it’s one of the greatest epics ever. Waterloo is good too as it’s Sergei bondarchuk as well but it feels like a lite version of war and peace.

For those interested, there's a very good mini series on Napoleon made in 2002. They even filmed an English version (while filming a french version first). Sadly it seems hard to find.

@TheAsdasy

6 ай бұрын

What its called, bro?

I didn't know who Phoenix was before I saw Joker, He completely blew me away, Now I've just been watching all of his stuff

@maskedman5657

6 ай бұрын

You never Seen Her, Signs, Gladiator, of The Village?

@TihetrisWeathersby

6 ай бұрын

@@maskedman5657 Nope, I did see gladiator but he wasn't a name that immediately popped up in my head

@rapedslime7040

6 ай бұрын

@@maskedman5657 To be fair,Gladiator Phoenix to current Phoenix is such a huge jump. Its like showing Marlboro Man Mickey Rourke and then The Expandables Rourke. Most people will be hardpressed to make the connection thanks to the physical transformation if they havent seen it first hand over the years.

We thought The Martian would be the start of Ridley Scott's resurgence after making failures like Robin Hood, Prometheus and Exodus, but instead he ruins his reputation even more by making Alien: Covenant and this.

Vanessa Kirby and Joaquim Phoenix tried to carry this movie on their backs, but it was too much. No single performance could save this terrible excuse of a Napoleon movie. There are so many things I could point out to here, but you're all better off just checking reviews from people who know better anyway. Though I'll say one thing: "You think you are so great because you have boats!". Who actually thought that was a good line to put in? Wth

@fredy2041

6 ай бұрын

It was not bad dude

Hopefully the guys start their review of Monarch: Legacy of Monsters/Godzilla show this week! Since we are at episode 4 already

The Napoleon in the Total War trailer looks, sounds and feels unironically way better than in this movie. A 14 year old game btw.

10:32 Yes, it definitely looks like a british character assassination. They try to portray Napoleon as a brute (anger issues, slapping his wife at his divorce (which didn't happen), ...) who was the cause for countless deaths in Europe, while "forgetting" to mention that all those wars were not declared by Napoleon, but declared against him by the Coalitions (in which the british were a main force)

I was literally waiting for this review because the trailer does look really good

Alex hit the nail on this one. Agree with everything he said. If they did it historically accurate it would have been way way better.

This movie was far more cringe than I expected. In between the battle scenes, it's like they were making fun of Napoleon. As someone who knows little of Napoleon, I left this movie unsure of how he was so successful. Was it just dumb luck?

@winstonsmith8482

6 ай бұрын

Napoleon was nothing like how this garbage film portrays him. He was a charming, outgoing, charismatic, brilliant leader and strategist.

No cavalry charge. He did lead troops in combat personally in his early career.

thanks guys, I'm happy i can wait for the streaming version, cheers 👍

The word "incel" is deeply cruel during a time when suicide is skyrocketing. There is a difference between a men's rights activist that genuinely hates women and someone who is "involuntarily celibate." Someone who just can't get laid even though they really want to. Why further add to their loneliness, alienation, sorrows? That word is so edgy and makes guys that are just lonely and sad hate themselves even more. Why do that?

@winstonsmith8482

6 ай бұрын

That's the blatant hypocrisy of modern "feminism" for you.

@rapedslime7040

6 ай бұрын

Meh,before that they used virgin. Same rhetoric,different word.

@winstonsmith8482

6 ай бұрын

@@rapedslime7040 But before that they weren't massive hypocrites who complained about 'slut-shaming' and 'judging people for their sexual history' ...... while also blatantly judging men for their sexual history(or lack there-of).

@ulissesbueno

6 ай бұрын

Same thing

Damn a 5/10!? And i was hyped to see this 😢

@tyleroutland435

6 ай бұрын

Unfortunately I rated that as well

@rubeng370

6 ай бұрын

@@tyleroutland435 is it still worth seeing? The trailers looked cool. Or is it really boring? I don't care that it's inaccurate

@NameIess1ne

6 ай бұрын

Same, this sounds disappointing. You can make a movie about scientist making a bomb exciting. How do you mess up with a great general and huge historical figure? Ridley should retire.

@tyleroutland435

6 ай бұрын

@rubeng370 when I saw it I thought alot of scenes were weird I was not a fan of Napelon or his wife as characters the middle part of the movie just made me upset

@squaeman_2644

6 ай бұрын

Waterloo from like 1989 is a great Napoleonic film

This movie was basically a character assassination. Napoleon is made to look like an old grumpy buffoon that likes to murder people. This is probably Ridley Scott's worse movie. The timeline and dates of the events are even wrong for fuck sake.

Bit Ridley Scott studied at college in Hartlepool, where we have the famous Monkey Hanger tale, did he make ay reference to a monkey being hung? Or did any ships have monkey's as mascots? Even thpugh supposedly it was a tail by a Geordie from Newcastle and we just adopted it as our own and made up the Monkey Hanging (Napoleans ship mascot).

i wanted the movie to be something they would take for years and show to students in an AP history class to help the kids appreciate history, but is more something they would show in ap history for them to point out all the inaccuracies.

I did miss the charisma of Napoleon in this movie which i know is in the Napoleon 2002 mini series and Waterloo (1970). The scope on that sniper's rifle is definitely inaccurate, trenches hmm Idk, i'd have to look into it but didn't look accurate for the time. I wish there were bigger epic battles and not just 30 seconds of calvary charging at Battle of Borodino or just one cannon volley at the royalist insurrection. The movie was too jumpy such as he is suddenly in Egypt (no Italian campaign or anything), he suddenly stages the coup and then next he is Emperor (but no context to it) and then he is fighting at Austerlitz in Austria, the next he is making peace with Russians in Poland/ East Prussia area and the biggest one yet is the time jump from the retreat from Moscow to his exile to Elba. But I do can't wait to see your reaction to the new Hunger games prequel, I did enjoy that movie

@ChuckNorrisDragonborn

6 ай бұрын

I see your names chuck as well

@Chuck12312

6 ай бұрын

@@ChuckNorrisDragonborn I do like we have similar usernames

@ChuckNorrisDragonborn

6 ай бұрын

@@Chuck12312 there can only be 1

@Chuck12312

6 ай бұрын

@@ChuckNorrisDragonborn you win, you can have the hoours since you also have more in your name than mine

@ChuckNorrisDragonborn

6 ай бұрын

@Chuck_Norris1 yes yes more power for me

Sometimes people lose their touch. James Cameron, and Riddle Scott have lost it.

There's no way you can do Napoleon's main life in a single film, plus Ridley Scott is long past his prime with lack of focus and it just feels forced while missing the points. A great Napoleon film that is already LONG is Waterloo, Ridley was nuts to even consider trying to cover so much in a single film while also focusing on the love story.

I've found battle scenes very intense (although they lack real sense of tactic & strategy) and the relationship between Josephine and Napoleon quite touching (especially when she passed away) My issue with the movie was that they made Napoleon a wiredo and manchild which buffles me, besides that, a lot of scenes were abruptly cut when emotion is getting to its peak (eg: the scene when he didn't see his wife for the last time) just when audiences are getting into it, the scene just fades to white screen like wtf The latter can be fixed by 4 hours run time, but the way Ridley interprets Napoleon has fundamental issues which can not be fixed by the director's cut unfortunately.

This movie sucked and was a major disappointment in my opinion.

If you want a Napoleon movie, there is only one thing you should know: War And Peace from 1965 by Sergei Bondarchuk. The battlefield shots alone are more than worth it.

Joe, you got the P in Napoleon slapped on Alex's face in the thumbnail 😂😂

The main complaint I had about this movie was Joaquin not having an accent while everybody else had an accent. Also the fact that every country had a British accent made it kind of confusing keeping track of who is who besides obviously looking at the uniforms. Also never have/ had a problem with certain countries being depicted using a British accent. I think Chernobyl is a great example of that

@samagic322

6 ай бұрын

British accent does not exist

"Waterloo" from 1970 is the movie Stanley Kubrick wished he could have made.

@Davidsworldtravels

6 ай бұрын

That’s not true he had the chance to make Napoleon but historical epics were bombing at the time and he used the chance to make his own character in Barry Lyndon. That’s where the Napoleon budget went.

@dws0828

6 ай бұрын

@@Davidsworldtravels​​⁠true but both Waterloo and Barry Lyndon are incredible movies

Great show guys and love your t-shirt Other Joe! Greetings from Amsterdam, the Netherlands.

The movie is to come out on Apple TV, supposedly around January 2024, the movie was originally developed for streaming, not cinema (They did that for Oscar stuffs), also the version that is gonna come out on AppleTV is a Director's Cut Version which will be 4 Hours Long. I'm Hoping it will bring more content to the table, the movie was very disconjuncted, also longer battles and less Josephine would be good. Kingdom Of Heaven also improved a lot from the DC version released much later. We'll see.

gotta agree with alex[mainly] and the gang here...napoleon was always gonna a vast topic, as there is so much data, to choose from...instead, we get a film about ridley scotts perception of the man&his love live...which to be honest, is not want i wanted....there are vast battles, complexities, politics in mass momentous events, and instead we get a personal look on the film directors ideal of his relationship with Josephine...after a hour , i was in a half sleep daze, only temporary bought out of it by occasinal cannonfire, but as the battles which only lasted a few minutes[with no clear understanding of what is going on] before its back to his personal relationship...you can see why Kubrick was looking to do several films, and how hard it is to organise, but this all in one package, is a little bit of a disaster in my opinion that doesnt do this giant of a personality credit :(

Was hyped for this movie and at the end of it kinda mixed feelings. Waiting for the directors cut apperently over 4h long. If that extra 2h ends up ti being around Josephine we should make a petition for Scott not making gladiator 2.

first time I saw that scene of Napoleon shooting Canons/Artillery at the Pyramids I was like "what, he did that? that's so stupid, is he showing his dominance to a structure??" and now that I know that didn't happen it makes so much more sense, I mean people like him might not feel bad about people dying but they do care about history and historical stuff, specially something as special and unique as the pyramids, I don't think even braindead first ever humans would do something that stupid because of how Majestic the pyramids look

@evangelosvasiliades1204

6 ай бұрын

I hate to break it to you but how do you think the Sphinx lost its nose?

@Ar1AnX1x

6 ай бұрын

@@evangelosvasiliades1204 it was napoleon?

@evangelosvasiliades1204

6 ай бұрын

@Ar1AnX1x No no. But it was people. I believe it was because they felt it was a pagan idol.

The battles were awful. Troops weren't in trenches at Waterloo, they didn't attack in undisciplined mobs running at each other, they used firing lines 2 or 3 men deep and much deeper columns for manoeuvre and charging. Napoleon certainly did not lead a cavalry charge, that was done by Marshall Michel Ney. Wellington spots Napoleon in his tent? Ludicrous. All Ridley Scott had to do was watch the film Waterloo from 1970 or read a book. Shockingly bad.

Trust the audience film makers! I would have loved to see this in French with subtitles

It was disappointing. I don't mind having the love story in it but it really tried to do too much. I would rather have seen more on the battles. The problem with the battles is they didn't really give a feel for them they compressed them too much. Austerlitz was just too short and compressed it into something not interesting. The battles just were not very good or did them justice. Joaquin Phoenix is a great actor but I don't think he was good in this. This would have been a great television series. Would have been insanely expensive but then they could have done the love story and the general in one.

Amadeus was amazing! Back in the 90s, we watched it in music appreciation class over two days in college and analyzed it. The poster is bad azz.

Much of the affairs that he had didn’t really come until after he had established himself as a great leader and commander. During his early days (mainly his late teens and early twenties) he was not a big hit with women. He was super scrawny to the point of appearing sickly and he was often described as being really quiet at parties. When he did meet new women they often found him ugly and very tactless since he would often badger them with questions. He did improve his social skills and charm with the increased power he gained but it took a bit to get there.

It’s 2023, everyone’s scared of making a man a dominate character in films. Not with the times! 😂

@gastheweebs

6 ай бұрын

Hopefully Disney or Sony can adapt this and give us the black trasgender Napoleon we deserve

@winstonsmith8482

6 ай бұрын

feminism is cancer.

A Gladiator sequel would be great...if Denis Villeneuve directs.

@arminxvs3372

5 ай бұрын

Sequel? You did watch the first one and you know how it ends? What would there be to tell anymore?

I was literally wondering if AJ was going to review this movie just a few minutes ago

Great recommendation from Alex! They Shall Not Grow Old is FANTASTIC! It's a documentary made by Peter Jackson about soldiers during the First World War. For history buffs, it's a must see. And if you're a Lord of the Rings fan, well, of course... it's Peter Jackson. But he may have been inspired from working on LotR to follow up with the war Tolkien was involved in. Anyway, SEE THAT FILM!

The pacing was awful. I thought the attention to detail in battle scenes was bad too. Napoleon leading a calvary charge was comical to watch.

@bauloprete3905

6 ай бұрын

You could not be More wrong. Educate yourself clown, this movie was really good

@fredy2041

6 ай бұрын

You are so wrong

My disappointment was immeasurable and my day was ruined

Siege of Toulon and Battle of Waterloo were both done well, but outside of that, the movie was basically: >Napoleon gets cucked for 30 minutes >Five minute battle sequence, billions must die >Repeat for two and half hours. You can't summarize Napoleon's life in a single movie. You could maybe summarize a single coalition war in one movie. You could maybe turn him into a trilogy showcasing his time coming up through the ranks, then as an Emperor, and then his downfall. But you can't cram his whole career into a single movie. I think Phoenix and Kirby's performances were fine, but both were definitely miscast. The inaccuracies were extremely bad. I'm open to inaccuracies for the sake of spectacle and broad appeal, but this was beyond bad. When it comes to historical dramas, you can have spectacle or accuracy imo, but you can't have either. The battles as short clips look great, but watching the Battle of Austerlitz be turned into a 5 minute sequence at max while also being extremely inaccurate was criminal. That was probably the most important and most epic battle of the entire Napoleonic Wars, and it was nothing but a footnote in the movie. That one battle is an entire movie on its own. Him firing at the pyramids was very criminal. He loved history and literally took a group of scholars with him to learn and study Egypt and found Rosetta Stone. The only thing that could have made this movie more inaccurate was him fighting Optimus Prime at the pyramids. With the movie focusing pretty much entirely on Josephine, it still gets their history completely wrong. Entire movie can pretty much be summarized in the divorce scene, Ridley Scott is slapping the audience in the face.

I haven’t seen the movie yet, but I think the version that releases on Apple Plus will be closer to 4 hours in length. I’m not sure if this will improve the movie, or just draw it out.