Re: Shapton polisher level stones---I fully agree that the stone give no feel back, however, it gets the job done but one must be confident in technique. I have ordered the Chosera 3000 because it will fill the gap from Sigma 1000, or my King 800 to 5000 Shapton Pro, then to same 8000, and finally to loaded, mounted strop. I am eager to feel the glory of the 3000 Chosers. Excellent review!

Thanks a lot ! merci beaucoup ! From Paris France

Thank you for your videos. May I ask you something ? I am looking for a 5000 grit stone and I am between shapton pro 5000 and suehiro rika 5000 ... which one you think it's best?

Hey love your videos and I appreciate what you’re doing here very comprehensive a lot of good information would you recommend the chosera 1000/3000 or 800/3000 I’ve been using the king 1000/6000 for over a year now but I really want a splash and go soaking has become an annoyance to me. Thanks keep up the good work.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

thanks for the input! doing my best.

Thanks to your videos I've decided to buy Shapton Glass 1000. Now I need a fine stone to polish and touch up knives and chisels during work, followed by a strop, so splash & go would be prefrable. Chosera is hard to get where I live, I'm considering Suehiro Rika or Shapton Glass 4000. What else would you recommend? Maybe Shapton 6k wouldn't be too big jump from the 1k? I need a stone which stays flat for a long time and can handle steel about 62hrc

i have both stones exelent review. chosera wins by far for me also.shapton has better mirror finish but... i have naniwa super stone 10.000 leaves a nice mirror srached edge dont know yet if it was worthing to buy.

This is why I love this channel Riki always tells the truth & I agree 100% I spent $100 on a shapton 6×1 stone for my Edge Pro system & I felt the same way just a blan stone to work with but now I have the Chosera 400, 600, 1000, & 3000 & I love them & btw they are cheaper than the Shapton

Question: Hey Ricky! So the Naniwa Pro does not come with this little brick anymore, would you recommend I order this separately or is it not necessary? Also I kinda like the Chosera better purely because of the Japanese printing. Is the Pro really so much better in terms of performance etc? Thanks so much 👍🏼 Oh and knife reviews proposal: Goko Hamono and Teruyasu Fujiwara. Lots of debate on the latter - need you! 🙂

Nice to see you getting all the sharpening stuff in one place.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

yeah, makes it easier for me and everyone else.

Hii!!!. Would you use de Chosera 3000 and finish after with de Shapton 5000?

Great video as always. Very detailed info. I agree chosera 800 & 3000 are my favorite. Got the suehiro debado MD 200, 1000, 4000 and they are awesome. Naniwa has set a standard, only the good companies will keep up. Work sharp now has soaking whet stone, retails for $30.00 two sides 1000 & 6000 a good plastic base made to sharpen hunting blades. My opinion it has many similarities to chosera very worthy for a serious review. Not true to grit ratings. Still a great performer. Keep the videos coming.

@UseVisine

9 ай бұрын

Hi Richard. Good day! I take it by this comment that you prefer the Choseras over the Debados, may I ask why? I'm in the market for S&G stones.

Love your channel! I’m just getting into sharpening and purchased the chosera 3000 based on several of your videos. I have a set of whustoff ikons and one shun classic chef knife. Can I sharpen with just the 3000 or do I need a rougher stone as well? I’d like to start with just the one chosera while I get better at sharpening before buying more, but my knives have not been sharpened for probably two years other than regular honing. Would love any recommendations.

@Tallnerdyguy

5 жыл бұрын

Depends on how dull you let them get, if not chipped or nicked, i usually start with 1000 grit or naniwa pro/ chosera 800

@UnrealTournament420

3 жыл бұрын

I use the chosera 800 and 3000, the dream team

Hi! I have just seen the video. Great infos thanks! If i understand right the #3000 Naniwa is more like a #4000 other whetstone? Cause i would use it for sharpening some everyday kitchen knives.

@Burrfection

4 жыл бұрын

yes. of course. i have a few here bur.re/stones

Some reviewers say 3000 grit stones are sharpening stones others claim they are polishing stones after watching many whetstone reviews. How do you polish with a sharpening stone grit?

Hello Ryky , Have you worked with any of theSakai Takayuki Hammered Damascus 33 Layer Vg-10 line? if so whats your thoughts of these knifes?

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

they are very nice knives.

The Shapton Pro 5k is a highly effective tool, but you are right that it is not much fun to use. I believe woodworkers rate it highly for chisels etc, but there are probably better stones for knife people. Generally i'm happy going from a Shapton 2k to a loaded strop.

@Ossamakilla

3 жыл бұрын

Strop all my japanese knives, all razor sharp.

@jeffhicks8428

Жыл бұрын

If you use it how it's intended, it's a great stone. It's a finishing stone. It's for Strop strokes only. The 2k is a sharpening stone. Grit ratings are somewhat arbitrary. You have to know what you're getting. This articular 5k can not sharpen a knife. Whereas something like a Suehiro 6k is a sharpening stone, that's barely finer than the 2k shaton. You only need 1 stone of each kind. So for Shaton, you have to choose, 5k, 8k or 12k. those are their finishers for that line. For the glass line it's 6k, 8k, 10k, 16k. For Chosera, the 5k and 10k are finishers. He's comparing a fine sharpener, which is closer to the 2k, to a finisher. Which doesn't surprise me because his ramble long winded videos are always full of errors and mistaken info. Hes biased toward Naniwa, likely cuz thats what he sells on his site. The more I learned the less I liked these videos. Seeing how errant info they're full of is annoying.

@georgecostanza1091

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffhicks8428 Hello friend. I agree. Thank you for your comment.

@ahmadnajjar6326

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffhicks8428now I see that’s why he always talking about chosera naniwa stones I’m really disappointed he only wants to sell his product 🙃💔💔

@ahmadnajjar6326

Жыл бұрын

@@jeffhicks8428now I see that’s why he always talking about chosera naniwa stones I’m really disappointed he only wants to sell his product 🙃💔💔

I've bought a chosera 3000 and it was delivered today. The stone has in the middle a point that is flashing in the light like a real mirror! Is this normal for this Stone? I didn't open it because I'm not sure if this is a production failure or not. Please help me I'm freaking out with a new stone at home and I can't touch em it's a kind of torture!

5000 grit stone is a polishing stone, it doesn't remove much steel at all, and it's not meant to remove much steel. because it's fine grit, it's going to feel extremely smooth, leading you to think the stone "doesn't give feed back". the fact is you cannot judge a polishing stone by the feel you are accustomed to using a medium grit sharpening stone such as 1000 - 3000 grit. it's not the fault of the stone, it simply comes down to the fact 5000 grit stone isn't supposed to feel the same as a 2000 grit stone.

Thanks for the review. I was looking for a great polishing stone that relaxing to use. I am buying based mainly on your review. Naniwa should give you a referral payment. Another youtuber I like that is more of a hunter loves the Chosera 3000 as well- his channel is virtuovice

I’m going crazy trying to figure out what general purpose STONE I would need. You think with the 3000 grit if I only sharpen once every 3 or so days would do? By the way I ordered the 800 chosera already.

@MrxSheeK

Жыл бұрын

Yeah a 3000 will do the trick. They crack a lot tho, so take that in mind.

You think that cleaner 'naniwa'’can be used on the shapton 5000?

I'm curious. Have you tried using Nagura on the Shapton 5k Pro? Should significantly change the feel of the Shapton 5k.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

i have only in cleaning the stone, and playing with that option a bit. didn't make it more responsive at all. more supple, yes, but not responsive.

@burrsniffen9688

6 жыл бұрын

Ah. I see. A Nagura Tanji works quite well on the 5k pro, and produces a nice slurry. Thank you for all of your videos. Very informative!

hi, i watched many of your videos before starting with sharpening. which stones and brand would you recomment if money isn't an issue? i was thinking 220 or 320 a 1000 and 3000 naniwa chosera but was looking for the naniwa multi stones too. what are your thaughts

@UnrealTournament420

3 жыл бұрын

Chosera 800, 3000 and Snow White 8000

i assume if it can polish a knife edge, it can sharpen (not only polish) a straight razor

Riki, read instruction manual for Shapton Kuromaku stones, keep instructions sharply and you will get a different results from Shapton 5 K

Masallah muhtesem mükemmel görünüyor çok güzel olmuş bicak agzi ışıl ışıl olmuş parlıyor eline sağlık üstadım tebrikler

Ricky Hi!! is it a good combination to start with a naniwa pro 800# and finish on a naniwa pro 3000# ?

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

that's what i use for my personal knives. here are other stones you may want to see kit.com/Burrfection/knife-kit

@tanitran1930

6 жыл бұрын

Burrfection thank you so much Ricky I am a huge fan of yours I wish I could meet you someday and learn from you. I am obsessed with sharpening and knives. My favorite channel so far. Keep going bro I am Vietnamese as well!!! Peaaaace

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

haha. right on. stay in touch. until next time.

Hey Ryky, what are your thoughts on Kaiden stones? Any chance of a review down the road?

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

never heard of them. who sells them?

@londiniumarmoury7037

5 жыл бұрын

@@Burrfection He means these, they are high end stones. 13000 grit shiageto from Kaiden The Kaiden 13000 is a hybrid of crushed natural stone and ceramic. This is a softer style stone that can create a crazy mirror finish on both kataba and ryoba style blades and excels at final polish on carbon steel yanagiba. This stone can be easily scratched, chipped or gouged by those with limited sharpening experience but is rewarding for those who have a little skill and patience. Go slowly and use shorter polishing strokes for the best results. Kaiden Sharpening Stones These stones are for the true professional and although good for ryoba style edges they excel for kataba style blades. We strongly recommend this stone for those with intermediate to advanced sharpening skills only. Super fast polishing power Long lasting Excellent feedback during the sharpening process Great end results- i.e amazing polish Instructions: Soak the 13000 stone for about 5 minutes before use or until the bubbles stop rising. Finding the right balance of water is the key to using this stone. N.B. Please do not soak this stone for long periods as it will degrade the stone. We recommend using this stone in conjunction with a sturdy rubber base. Dimensions: 210mm (L) x 75mm (W) x 24mm (H) - approximate stone dimension

Love your vids. A bit off topic but have you ever tried stroping/sharpening with diamond polish? Never tried premium stones but compared to the (coarse) budget one I have, I get great and fast results with it. Diamond polishing pastes can cost a fortune or be really cheap and come in 0.5-100+ microns. I just use the cheap stuff (from ebay china), and it lasts forever. What I do is appy a thin layer onto some smoth sanded hardwood and let it dry. Been using it for 10+ sessions without reapplying or cleaning and its still going strong. Think for regular maintanace a stone isnt really nessecary. If its totally dull you might want to use a coarse stone first. Would be great to see what someone that has tried various stones thinks of this method. I tried 40, 20, 10 and 2 microns and after 20 its plenty sharp, the finer ones give it a mirror polish but I couldn't really notice a difference in sharpness (Im by no means an expert in sharpening or with knives). Also what is to be considered is that the diamonds sink into the wood and only a part of them sticks out and gets used, so they act a lot finer then the grain/micron conversion chart would suggest.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

i just got some in, and yes, will be doing a few videos with them soon

@Tallnerdyguy

5 жыл бұрын

In now using a straight razor, stropped with compounds/spray, shaving with a 20 micron grit would tear my face up, i will typically strop to .05 microns

Как я понял чувак отдал предпочтение chosera 3000 , у меня есть камни Shapton pro от 320 до 12 000 , камни хорошие особенно 12 000 , new chosera ( professional ) хочется попробовать , но цена этих камней гораздо выше чем shapton pro .

Thanks for the review, the price of a sharpening stone are getting more expensive now.

@banjo1434

6 жыл бұрын

Where are you? I'm thinking the opposite is the case. There are also a fair few no-name stones around that work well enough for much less cash.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

hmmmm not sure if you mean by brand, or just in general. i think stones are actually getting cheaper because more retailers (in the US) and Amazon are starting to sell lots of sharpening stones.

@gojohnnygo3209

6 жыл бұрын

yea, its the rate of exchange (x 4.5). Therefore making your reviews matters. Cheers

@Reza-nz2re

2 жыл бұрын

@@banjo1434 yup, like sun tiger is good and cheap for everyday use in the kitchen. I use the 6000 grit one and my yanagiba cut fish like butter

Ryky do you plan to do a review on the complete chosera lineup? Eventually I got to buy 400 600 800 1k and 3k. And after your videos I figured out how good the lower grit stones work. I am curious to get to know your opinion on the 400 600 and 1k chosera :) Keep it up! Regards from Germany, Peter

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

yes. just got the entire series !

@MrWeedpeet

6 жыл бұрын

Burrfection this is awsome. Looking forward to watch every new video. And thank You for talking me out of buying the shapton 5k :) ;)

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

well. my goal is never to talk anyone in or out of getting something. i just want to info on what is available.

Shapton 5000 vs Kitayama 6000 anyone?? I want to buy a stone 5000 and up whi can polish nicely the hagane and jigane on my blue steel no.2 Yanagi that I use for cut fish for sashimi. So i need that clean cut. I try king KW65 once and its very bad because the finishng on 6000 grit king KW65 look like sharpening on 1000 grit. Have that kasumi finish and when you cut fish the fish stick on your blade like using 1000 grit stone. Any recommendation on 5000 - 6000 grit stone??

i bought the super stone 3000 instead of a professional 3000 is there a big difference between them ?

@banjo1434

6 жыл бұрын

There is certainly a significant price difference. Ryky has actually made side by side comparisons for some of those stones, but he will no doubt be along to comment.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

did you get this super stone 3000 amzn.to/2wM6ScB? if so......... BIG difference. the Super Stone is softer, and has a LOT of polishing compound. also, in case you are not aware, this chosera 3000 amzn.to/2xeMH80, is the "older" version of the Professional 3000, but with a base, a thicker stone, AND less money.

I'm a shapton pro fan but I have to agree with you 100% on the 5000. Really like all the others in the pro line but the 5000 seemed different than the rest and it was a hard stone to read. It did an amazing job but felt very different then the rest of the line.

@MrxSheeK

Жыл бұрын

Use a nagura on it before every sharoening and you will notice a diference

I bought the Chosera 800 and 3000 stones based on your comparisons and other internet reviews, and they both develop fine cracks within two weeks. They were wet for and hour or so while I was using them, and I cleaned them and wiped them off with a damp cloth. Searching the internet , I find quite a few reports of these stones cracking.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

i have had my 800 and 3000 for over a year now, and have nearly 6-7 dozen sharpening sessions on both, and neither have any cracks of any sort.... so sorry to hear about your stones.

@Johniscoolimo

6 жыл бұрын

I also bought the 800 and 3000 upon your recommendations, and my 3000 has a hairline crack after a week. I dont soak my stones, and use them just like you. How do you dry your stones? maybe thats why?

Now that you have the cermax can you compare it to the winner?

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

yeah, another WHETSTONE SHOWDOWN series happening

Hi birr I got a 220 800 1000 4000 6000 grit king whetstone I’m trying to find a 10000 grit king stone hard to find in the uk but I four a Shapton 12000 and 10000 and a Naniwa 10000 is there much difference to them

@Tallnerdyguy

5 жыл бұрын

Price...shapton pro 12k for around $70usd, chosera 10k, around $120-150usd

he should have mentioned that the Shapton is less than half the price ov the chosera.... also i love this channel and i watch it every day, thanks ryki!!

@jesmondo5785

5 жыл бұрын

Yup, payed £45 for my shapton 5k but the chosera was about £90. I personally love my shapton pro stones

@theRealSintaxi

4 жыл бұрын

Absolutely. On amazon.ca the Chosera 3000 is $180 which is about triple the Shapton stones.

I do not have Shapton Pro 5000, but I have Chosera 3k and 5k. Chosera 5k does not give a mirror polish, at first glance there the edge is even more rough, but in fact he still sharpens, it's not polishing. Shapton Pro 5000 It's polishing, not sharpening, they can not be compared.

@Tallnerdyguy

5 жыл бұрын

Going to disagree with you. If i stopped sharpening with my 3k, i can notice a smoother, sharper edge with and without my 5k

I just got the shapton 5k yesterday and I think the feedback is great. I'll take you at your word that the chosera is better, but I honestly can't even imagine what better would feel like lol. Guess it's time to start saving up.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

use what you have. don't worry about another person's opinion. if you enjoy it, stick with it.

@Tallnerdyguy

5 жыл бұрын

Both stones perform pretty similar, but at different prices. I would only switch if you weren't happy with the pro

Hi ! You very helped me to choose and buy a Chosera stone. I already have a 3/8k Kasumi one, so I bought a 800 to start, because of the price. And well ... it is really a huge stone. Very efficient, and a lower grit rating indeed. The Kasumi is a good stone, but unfortunately too soft. It wears out very quickly. So my next purchase will be a 3k Chosera. And maybe a 5k one. So thank you for this review.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

hey Pana, thanks for trusting my reviews. stay in touch and let me know how things turn out with your new purchases!~

Chosera has a 5000 now. Would love to see a 5k to a 5k now.

@johnfadds6089

5 жыл бұрын

yeah, that would make more sense than this video.

you arent actually comparing both stones in the same grit.. do an actual demonstration to back your findings. would love to see. im looking at buying a set of good stones.

And I think chosera is one of the best stones. But I think they're a little overpriced I also don't like how they charge more for the pro stones made them smaller and changed nothing with the formula. That's why I moved to suhiro stones I a huge fan of there stones

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

yeah its funny... but i did get the entire collection of suehiro cerax and "rika" series , so will be doing a whole new whetstone showdown series soon

shapton pro felt more like it was floating and you were actually doing nothing to it?

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

i'm missing something there. can you explain?

@wukevin6204

6 жыл бұрын

That's exactly how I feel about this stone lol.Kind of skipping

@johnfadds6089

5 жыл бұрын

Do you see a black smear on the stone when sharpening? If yes, then it works.

Shapton Pros are excellent stones. Who cares about "hand feel". If it gives enough feedback to tell what the bevel is doing it's fine. And let's not forget the elephant in the room, choseras and Naniwa Pros have a proclivity for cracking if you look at them sideways. It happens far too often for me to be comfortable dropping the money on them. Shapton Pros give very, very crisp edges as well. The whole point of a sharpening stone is the edge it produces. I'll take crisp edges over a "luxurious" feel anyday. My last statement is that the Shapton Pro/Ha No Kuromaku lime is just as good as the Glass stones. Yeah I said it

Chosera 3000 is the best stone ever in all history :) Well besides the Chosera 10,000 but I hardly use it. All Chosera stones are great, but the 800, 1000, 3000 and 10,000 Are the best in the Chosera line

The shapton is a tad bit quieter than the Chosera

@Burrfection

10 ай бұрын

it's much softer

If all I really want is a really really sharp knife (I don't mind not having mirror finishes), is a chosera 1000 and 3000 (along with a cheap 250 stone if I ever manage to knock a tip off my sujihiki or similar) enough for regular maintenance on Aogami Super steel? (~63 / 65 HRC). I've got a local offer for a Naniwa Chosera 1000 + a Shapton 5000 + a Naniwa Junpaku 8000 for 200$ for the lot, barely used. Should I go for it? On a side note: Anyone here know by any chance if the Zwilling Miyabi stones are just rebranded Chosera? I read they are "based" on the Choseras. Wonder what "based" is supposed to mean in this context.

Why compare a 3k to a 5k their not the same why not compare 3k to 3k and 5k to 5k

@JakeAoTK

6 жыл бұрын

They don't sell a 3000 grit stone. I believe they sell a 2000 but the 5000 is what is comparable apparently.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

Shapton does not have a 3K stones, and the Naniwa brand is known for lowering actual grit ratings. practically every Super stone and Chosera stone I have used have a polish that is higher than stated.

@gunny4029

6 жыл бұрын

in the sharpening hobby people know you cannot compare the same grits to the chosera, on high gits. for a very fine shiny edge , and that is not necessary for a sharp knife. but for the most ultimate

@robertmunguia250

Жыл бұрын

@@Burrfection how about the chosera Arata 3000? Not glued to a base but loose on a clear case. Would that be a good stone as well?

For the shapton to feel better you have to condition it with a nagura every time.

@GlennLaguna

Жыл бұрын

What Nagura? Not all Nagura are equal.

The cut test shows the shapton destroyed the chosera. The chosera knife cutting newspaper sounds like shit. I could hear the jagged edge against the paper.

@GearCave

3 жыл бұрын

I would personally go from the chosera to the shapton, I don't know why you are comparing a 3000 to a 5000, they are different grits.

The "feel" of the stone is something very subjective. But we can all see for ourselves which one gives a better edge, the knife sharpened on the Shapton has the superior finish, which is to no surprise considering it has a finer grit. Maybe compare apples to apples next time?

@Tallnerdyguy

5 жыл бұрын

Naniwa stones are usually underrated for grit levels comparing to others

@johnfadds6089

5 жыл бұрын

@@Tallnerdyguy even so, the Chosera 5k would probably be closer to the Shapton 5k than the Chosera 3k.

@Tallnerdyguy

5 жыл бұрын

@@johnfadds6089 not really, the finish on the chosera 5k is more like shapton pro 8k

I think the king 1000 6000 combo stone is soft like that the 6k side just sucks lol the 1000 is decent on it

The only shapton pro I have is a 2k. After sharpening on it 5+ times I'm looking to sell it. Cyrax 6k or the king 6k are both better imo.

@Burrfection

6 жыл бұрын

i head you. suehiro makes some of the best price/performance stones right now

i assume your opinion is unbiased

You should take down this video and just start over. I’m completely confused now.

Every one of this guy's knives look like the sides have rubbed by sand paper. Incredibly amateur sharpening jobs that destroy the overall look of the knife yet he cares about how pretty his edge looks?

@bataabatovskii7128

5 жыл бұрын

Yeah amateur. I was there....

@MRiJUSTcantREMEMBER

5 жыл бұрын

That's because of the leather stropping. I don't think it means, that he does a bad sharpening job. I think an amateur sharpening would result in a dull knife.

@bataabatovskii7128

5 жыл бұрын

@@MRiJUSTcantREMEMBER i was kidding by the way. No offence. I like watching his videos and took some advice as well. I am a chef and sharp knife is essential. This is one of his old videos and probably he was amateur. In my opinion he has improved a lot.

@johnfadds6089

5 жыл бұрын

He was trying too low of an angle and messed up the sides I suppose. Happened to me on thicker knives.

@steveledbetter5613

4 жыл бұрын

Funny thing is, he admits he’s not vert good. But the end results are indisputable. They’re sharp.

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@seannigrelli4724

2 жыл бұрын

100% disabled would be dead, no?