This myth is as old as ONI itself, and IIRC it was originally caused because there was a very, very, very early patch where digging it up had actually caused the o2 to be reduced; the devs saw players leaving Oxylite tiles all over their bases and acting scared of digging them and didn't like it. Klei has no problems with min-maxing, but not in the early game where new players can end up punished. I think there was a debate between making all tiles drop 100% mass and reducing generated mass, or just fixing Oxylite somehow. Obviously, they chose to fix Oxylite. On a similar note, this was well before vents were added, so at the time the only permanently sustainable way to create oxygen was to get a whole colony of vomiting dupes, keep them as miserable as possible and let it offgass polluted oxygen. Fun times.

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Thank you for sharing this.

@veroxid

Жыл бұрын

Wasn't it also originally one step further, where not only did the mined version have less mass _(and thus originally less oxygen)_ but that the _mined_ version released it a lot faster, leading to running out of generation faster?

@MagicFoe88

Жыл бұрын

And here I am, 700 hours into the game, still not digging up oxylite... must have missed that patch. Thank you!

@Tsuchimursu

Жыл бұрын

@@veroxid you still get the same amount no matter what the speed, so assuming your consumers stay constant it doesn't matter how fast it turns into oxygen?

@freezerain

Жыл бұрын

nice story grandpa

Meep Busters!

@josephdavison4189

Жыл бұрын

perfection

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Nice, lol.

@scisher3294

Жыл бұрын

Based! I second this.

@ChaoticNeutralMatt

Жыл бұрын

Yep

I think the reason the undug one was 1388.9 vs 1389 is there was one less free square in that box. So, it all reached 1389 then filled in the 1 square gap left from the oxylite. Thanks for the video!

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

This could def be it

I'd love to see more entries in this series. I've been leaving Oxylite undug because I thought it would delete 50%, but now I know better.

@oldvlognewtricks

Жыл бұрын

I remember playing when it did this… Probably a good plan that they fixed it, as it’s an early game resource.

Kudos to committing to the scientific method and making sure both experiments where identical. But I saw an Echo with a magnifying glass focusing the sun into the bit of debris oxylite, so you're caught 😛

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

lol, nice job finding the Hidden Echo.

The swirl at the end, can you do one where the last tile is like 50 million pressure water or something? It would be fun to watch the swirl count down then explode

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

That is an awesome idea.

@Selur91

Жыл бұрын

That's a youtube shorts prime material there

I love that ONI still gets new content. I love watching players do science on their video games. I think players learning games is more fun than playing games, often.

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

You and me both. Helps keep the game fresh, which especially helps as a creator.

WI will be digging up the Oxylite from now on. Very useful to know. Thanks again for a great video. *Mind Blown*

@MrAntice

Жыл бұрын

Digging it up means you can save it for later as well, by storing it underwater.

@loganshaw4527

Жыл бұрын

Or leaving it in areas that need the extra oxygen.

oh hey, i asked for this video. thank you for making it, and for taking it a step further. there's a niche to be filled in the ONI community for mythbusting videos where there's video evidence of testing in the game. between updates, bugs, misinformation, and word-of-mouth, game communities have a tendency to operate off outdated/wrong information for years before someone bothers to check, and i've gotten to the point where i don't believe heresay in gaming communities without evidence. and having a quick video to refer to means it can be shared in the community during discussions. for inspiration, i recommend checking out Wand of Sparking, a terraria channel that has made a whole series of testing weird ideas about game mechanics (/playlist?list=PLTdvCLw0EMqt_wjaTewHUIzAv3TuIQedP). they ask for ideas at the end of each video and get a whole load of suggestions for the next video. maybe something to test next time: when, if at all, does damage/repair to a building destroy the materials? and is it possible to cheese the materials being lost?

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Thanks for the comment and the suggestions.

You should ask for more ONI myths to bust at the end of your mythbusting videos. I think it would be really cool to see what other myths people believe.

Ha very nice. And clever. Will link people to this when i get the unavoidable question regarding the oxylite again. :D

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

"again" ha.

This really sets my mind at ease, thanks echo! Also secret echo really likes his oxylite :)

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Nicely done.

I'm not surprised this myth exists. You can see half the mass get lost when mining. You'd have to do self experimentation however, to notice that the efficiency of mass to oxygen gets changed, or be digging through the oldest of patch notes for when it was made to do that XD

nice mythbusting love it. How about as a name 'Myths Not Included'?

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Love this.

@cockychick8910

Жыл бұрын

Good one!

I don't like the mine it, because I like the watch it skrink, and use it as a timer to tell when i need to start up the algae diffuser again. But i already knew this, hilarious that it's still debated, i remember that the KZread channel "Grind This Game" did a similar Mythbyster like this, many KZread's have, yet the myth persists, it's almost like an enigma, or urban legend, lol. Good video!

I have literally never dug up oxylite because I thought it would be wasted. Thank you so much for disproving the myth.

You can do it like "ONI busters" which makes sense because in japanese "鬼"(oni, おに) means demon, and demons can also be very powerful ghosts, which aligns with "ghost busters" name

Thank you for busting that myth because now I know I can get them out of my way without losing the oxygen. :-)

Very informative

0:47if I responded I would look like a pompous (*goes ahead and makes a whole video about it*)

Nicely done. I too thought 50% would disappear on mining. I'm just not an asshole commenter - I usually assume people who make content for a channel have a better strategy than myself in their favourite game.

This format is great. Keep the uploads coming!

I use the "Better Miner" mod because I always thought if I dig a 1 cubic foot hole in the dirt, I should get 1 cubic foot pile of dirt, not half that amount. What this means, that I never stopped to test, is with that mod running, I get twice the oxygen by digging it up. Cool! Thanks!

@deacom8528

Жыл бұрын

Some people love cheating with mods

@58209

Жыл бұрын

@@deacom8528 modifying a single player game to make the game more enjoyable for that person is not cheating, ya numpty. they're not competing against anyone, and their modded experience has no impact on anyone else's experience.

@IamCoalfoot

Жыл бұрын

I use a mod that changes how much a tile gives based on the digging skill of the dupe; unskilled dupes still give the 50%, then it scales up to 100% for the highest possible dupe skill, capped at 100%. It means in early game where you see oxylite you'll almost never get more than maybe 60% mass, but even in late game unless you outright tell non-diggers to never dig, you'll still lose a lot of mass from digging commands. I think some of my dupes do as low as 56% while my best are right around 90%. Feels more balanced, and gives me reason to put thought into my digging and who I let do it, rather than just whoever gets to it.

@3DPDK

Жыл бұрын

@@deacom8528 I'll play the game my way and you play it your way and we'll both enjoy the game.

@zacheryeckard3051

Жыл бұрын

@@deacom8528 This isn't cheating. There's no competition or test. Do you play only the hardest world gen and always choose the worst dupes? No? Who cares?

OMGS this is an awesome video!!! More of this! Thanks for debunking that theory :) And 5:01 the perfect mini echo to have for this video :)

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Thank you. Nice job finding the Hidden Echo :)

4:26 It's not a rounding error. When Oxilite tile depleted itself it created a tile of vacuum, lowering the average amount of oxygen per tile.

@nickdumas2495

Жыл бұрын

That shouldn't matter. And obviously wouldn't make a difference of 0.1, rather than 3% or so. The total grams of O2 should be the same (50000), in a box that is 36 tiles in size. Rounding error makes sense since it is floating point values and a lot of divisions by many different scaling factors over a long time.

an interesting result. so much better to mine it out and get a longer lasting source of fresh air. forget if dupes can freely move chunks around or not, would be nice if they could

@gimmethegepgun

Жыл бұрын

It doesn't change how long your air will last. It's the same amount of oxygen (well, slightly more, due to a rounding error) so you'll still run out in the same amount of time. And yes, dupes can move chunks of oxylite around. It's in the Consumable Ore section of the storage bin.

Ha, I spotted Sherlok Echo! First time in a long while! Usually episodes have too much going on for me to spot hidden Echoes.

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Nicely done.

“Myths not included” was the first thing I thought of

I never knew this. When I started playing if I mined oxylite it would get rid of the oxygen production. That knowledge stuck with me even when years later that is not true.

That was great, the very opposite of pompous :) For a name, how about "Echo's ONI Science Lab"?

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Ha, I like it.

This is a very useful link to have for the future of the game! This is how proving someone wrong is done!

Mythbusters: ONI Galore

@TheTallOne890

Жыл бұрын

how about that?

If I learned nothing today, I learned I can just dig out Oxylite....

Call it "ONI Research", sounds good af and you'll have a neat Halo reference in it.

@operator8014

Жыл бұрын

I wonder if the "rounding error" has to do with the debris falling to the ground. Maybe the debris still produces gas without losing mass while in free-fall? More testing is needed.

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

This is a great theory.

Something cool that you could have shown (sorry if already told before) was that the very few first seconds of mining the oxylite, the mass lost is actually turned to gas so you should have seen a difference right at the start.. We want tables and graphs next time! :P lol True scientifics methods. ;)

Hey there Echo Ridge Gaming, you could call it "The Data Detective Series" or something like that.

Very cool video. Thanks, Echo

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Thank you.

I think you should have a reactor going critical clear the screen once the oxylite is gone in the outro... if possible. Maybe something else explodey

@Firebuck

Жыл бұрын

Call the series Rad Busters!

Good to know. Now to apologise to my friend for giving him bad information on Oxylite, which I've believed for over 3,000 hours.

Better than oxalate the former of kidneystones and the bane of my existence

Good to know! THank you for the straightforward explanation and experiments!

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Thanks Silk Dragon.

Thank you for this. Mythbusting is awesome. You probably get tons of hot chicks.

My thing is that if there is a tile there of oxylite. It won't be there for long. If it is a step, or something is built on it, things will go wrong. Dupe-busters?

Dupes Explore Rare Phenomenas or D.E.R.P for short lol idk great vid!

Echo's Myth Busters Not Included

Thank you thats good to know.

I ❤ the happy face at the beginning!

I promise that this video will not stop the comments, facts and logic will not be able to stop those who are unwilling to learn.

Well thanks I was also under this impression.

Myth... BUSTED!

Pompousness Not Included

Woa, never realized that.... thanks.

good series idea, i liek

Myths not included... I love the idea of the series though

mined oxilite can also be moved by dupes directly where you need it using storage boxes.

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Great point.

Fill : vacuum. No need to do this "destroying tiles" thing when you're in sandbox mode...

Tittle Ideas Myths Not included ONI mechanics deep dive ONI Myths Tested True Facts About ONI ONI under the hood Fell free to modify or combine them

Yeah! Science!

Keep this series going! Love the cold, hard facts!

Next topic: lit workspace bonus - when it does and does not apply

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

This is a great idea.

Could you do a video explaining the vacuum of space? I opened the area around my colony up to the vacuum of space, expecting it to vacuum it out for me, but it hasn't done much after 100 or so cycles. Is that simply because of how my gas layers sit? Or does the vacuum of space not pull the gasses out?

@ShadowManceri

Жыл бұрын

Vacuum doesn't pull, not even in real life. Gasses move into the vacuum. In oni this happens quite slowly.

@slidexztv9727

Жыл бұрын

Make sure to have at least three tiles in width exposed to the vacuum, the more width exposed to vacuum the faster it will rise into space the gas will travel from high to low pressures so opening gas pockets to allow the diffusion will facilitate the evacuation of gasses. It can take a thousand cycles to vacuum a large map of all gasses.

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Both @ShadowManceri and @slidexztv9727 have good points. This is why if I want to vacuum out an area, I used a gas pump.

@IamCoalfoot

Жыл бұрын

@@EchoRidgeGaming You also need to make sure there's no _source_ of gas; I've left areas exposed to space for hundreds of cycles before and there was still co2 filling it. I was confused until I realized that dupes wearing oxygen masks still breathe out co2 into whatever environment they're in, but dupes holding their breath don't. Environment suits fix that up nicely, though.

thats an interesting result. it does mean that if you are low on oxygen, you still don't want to mine oxylite. because it ofgasses faster unmined. mining the oxylite would slow down production, so even though the efficiency is the same, you could have dupes asphyxiating with perfectly good oxylite on the ground. I think that a lot of the people saying it wastes oxygen are mistaking lower oxygen offgassing speed for lower overall efficiency, which is an understandable mistake.

I think the series should be called "No Research Selected"

Myth busters, oni style

What about making your natural oxilite tile bigger with item dropping in that tile? Rather does that work and how efficient might that be

actually echo "reaching the end of the half-life" would leave half left :P

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Doh! ;)

oxygen busters

Call it 'Myths Not Included"

Should just call it something like "Myths not Included" :P

Also new sub reminds me of a certain other guy who's had life to deal with

Echo buster

Myths Not Included

Cool series

I always thought that mining would reduce the total oxygen by half.

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

You aren't alone, I too thought this for a long time.

MNI myths not included there's your series name. Please do ranching/critter myths next.

I believe this myth actually comes from the game itself. I think the log entry mentions that digging up the oxylite produces less oxygen than letting it dissipate. Guess they forgot to change it?

I don't think it was a rounding error. The Oxylite tile itself was taking up space that became a vacuum briefly when it destroyed itself, so you actually would lose a tiny bit of oxygen as it fills the vacuum? Or because of the lack of drywall, the oxylite tile's box just naturally lost some oxygen by the time the mined oxylite decayed.

Myth not included Oxygen not busted Mythbusters not included

You should call the series Myths Not Included

One day ONI'players realised what test worlds have to launch with autosave turned off)

Rumors not included

😂 I didn’t even know that mining oxylite even dropped anything, I saw that it was emitting oxygen and just decided to never touch it

@EchoRidgeGaming

Жыл бұрын

Love it. "Nope, not touching those."

Unmined oxylite tastes better.

Dunno if it's been said but, I'd go with something like Myth Busting Included, or Myths Are Included... I dunno, I like using the included part as the connecting factor to the game :)

The name of the series could be Myths Not Included

i'd say "myths included"

Based af video

It's not a scientific experiment while It's published after a peer review and replicated by others.

Left square is smaller than right one that's all due to Newtown 4th law of Evaporation.

no idea what this game is, but it looks cool asf and the video was interesting

Title: Myth Not Included

doggos

Doesn't this mean you'd want to not dig it up? If leaving it releases the oxygen faster then that makes more sense to me.

You could call it Myths Not Included

im still _not_ gonna mine my oxylite bc i want them outgas immediately for faster oxygen

With the full miner yield mod it will be better. Though I really wish they made the game give you 100% of the mass instead of 50%. This is especially the case with ice and water, melting the ice biome might be better than digging it out but either way you get plenty of ice and you can print 4 Megagrams (4000 kg) ice if you choose it from the print pod care packages.

thanks

first test inconclusive. you have 1 hump inside on the floor on the left and 2 humps on the right. thought you were going to fix it when you said they werent in the same spot :(

wat about oxylites in storages does it also emit the same rate as a mined oxylite

Oni Dupe-cryption

@bloopahVIII

Жыл бұрын

inscryption