My grandpa was the captain aboard the Herbert C. Jackson he was 7 miles from the Fitz when she sank when he heard that she was missing he immediately turned the vessel hard to starboard and in the process the waves actually bent the Jackson slightly. He was one of the ships that went to search for the Fitzgerald. My grandpa told me so many cool stories from when he worked aboard the jackson. He was the captain for 22 years he sadly passed away in 2002 I miss you so much grandpa you were the only captain the Herbert c. Jackson had ever known until you retired.

@mortalclown3812

Жыл бұрын

I'm missing my grandfather, too. He passed in '98 and they really were part of a great generation. Rest in peace to them both. ♡

@perryfranciscaravello134

Жыл бұрын

@@mortalclown3812 Cheers to both of your grandfathers, I admire their bravery. The power of the Great Lakes should never be underestimated.

@leejohnson-dc5db

Жыл бұрын

Your grandpa is a hero❤️

@randybolin7409

11 ай бұрын

Wow that's awesome so sorry for your loss I would love to shake your hand

@charlesjohnson1678

9 ай бұрын

Our grandpa's taught us much but honor is what mine taught me.

I was 3rd class electrician in the USCG with on board duty status on the USS Buckthorn, moored at Sault Ste., Michigan Coast Guard base that night and my friend was on duty on base as the quartermaster in charge of communications for the Fitzgerald and the Anderson on Lake Superior the night of that storm. He heard from the Anderson about the loss of radar contact with the Edmund Fitzgerald and called me to let me know. I had further duties involving the sinking of the ship including setting up electrical antennas to try to measure the amout of torque these ships are taking when under heavy wave activity. The Navy sent in a small sub to find and take pictures of the ship on the bottom of the lake. They were successful in finding the ship. I also had to pick up many ship articles that floated ashore on the South side of Lake Superior. Very sad to listen to Gordon Lightfoot's song. Very sad night.

@Aangel452

3 жыл бұрын

That’s incredible, I only ever heard of this ship through Gordon Lightfoots song. And listening to it I always thought it was an Irish ship, but now know it was American. So sad for all the lives lost.

@toddbonin6926

3 жыл бұрын

Thank you for your service sir.

@dbcooper692

3 жыл бұрын

You must have an exciting life. All the memories and great people you worked with. My great grandfather was the mining superintendent in the later 1800s thru the early 1900s at the Buhl Minnesota iron ore mine. My grandfather a Norwegian immigrant and many of my uncles worked that mine also. Nowadays Buhl MN is nothing compared to how it once was

@donferry7672

3 жыл бұрын

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@deewonders6959

3 жыл бұрын

Absolutely Fascinating God Bless You Timothy Parker 🙏

I was 13 years old and lived in Superior, WI. I don't recall that day exactly, but living here, there are things that just become part of you. The fog horns, the sea bells, the ship horns... the soundtrack of life in a port. For whatever reason, I find those sounds haunting. (same as I do hearing loons on a lake) For months I would wake up to the Gordon Lightfoot song on the radio. It was unnerving. It made me feel sad and spooked. I didn't like that, but I still can remember that feeling today.

@kimthomas8717

2 жыл бұрын

It haunts me too I was 11 when this happened

@Tam5115

6 ай бұрын

@@LUCCI218 That is where high schoolers died in a car accident on a prom night IIRC. There was a singing bridge nearby. (fist bump the ceiling last, you buy the beer) Arson took many of our buildings, but many still love history, and we do have that. I still remember the downtown of my youth and Thursday nights with sidewalk sales in the summer. Bob's Chop Suey House, Kresgke, Newbarries, Woolworths, Seigels, and Kinney shoes. Can't forget Dubester Drug Store and the taxidermy that gave me nightmares! Never go red, never go MAGA!

@JuneJarka935

3 ай бұрын

Likewise. The song makes me feel sad and the story is haunting.

She sunk vert close to where I live. The storm that night is still the scariest one I have lived through. Early in the evening of Nov. 10 /75 a bunch of us kids were jumping off of a hill and the wind was caring us across the yard. Later that night parts of our roof blew off, I can’t even imagine what Superior was like that night.

@huxleybuxley8573

4 жыл бұрын

920 MBL storm Very Strong and centralized storm

@jonbonesmahomes7472

4 жыл бұрын

Thats exactly what this tragic story is about my friends.. Like you have witnessed, that storm was one of a kind and a rogue wave was too much for Edmund Fitzgerald.. I guess..

@bellavia5

4 жыл бұрын

GOD Bless

@barbarasteed3966

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks for posting that...

@johnnylightning203

4 жыл бұрын

I live there myself. Been on Lake Superior a few times, out of Goulais Bay, and I can tell you, even in the best of conditions, that OCEAN is a frightening thing. We've never forgotten that night.

What a great documentary. I think if the History Channel or Nat Geo did this today they'd probably ask if Aliens or Bigfoot was involved. I miss more intelligent TV. So thank you for posting this.

@kimrok1

2 жыл бұрын

It is possible that a UFO piloted by squatch might have used its laser to damage the gaskets on the cargo holds and caused it to take on water.

@kinkane5566

2 жыл бұрын

Knights Templar

@chrismaclean3108

Жыл бұрын

Maybe a lake monster being rode by Bigfoot. And a UFO.

@davidburnett2458

Жыл бұрын

I agree. The history Channel is complete trash.

@codaalive5076

Жыл бұрын

Everyone feels the same about new documentaries, they are made as if people were stupid.

I'll never in a million years believe this was crew failure to fasten down those hatches. They had sailed in how many storms without this happening! I believe Captain Cooper.

@rosiehawtrey

2 жыл бұрын

If the bow went under it doesn't matter whether the hatches were dogged and locked or not, the weight of water would have torn them off and the weight of water would have overloaded the structure, the hull would have hogged and may well have snapped on the surface, not when she hit the bottom.

@timothymcgee5041

2 жыл бұрын

I believe that you are right. It was not a failure to fasten hatches. I think she broke her hull on the 6 phantom shoal, slowly took on water and eventually went nose down to the bottom with her screw still turning.

@ElizabethF2222

2 жыл бұрын

@@timothymcgee5041 Sadly, I agree. There was nothing the crew could have done. It was definitely NOT crew error. That's the big shipping insurance companies trying to shift the blame.

@HoshizakiYoshimasa

2 жыл бұрын

I think the ship had haul failure due to overuse and changing cargo amounts by the fleet. Richard Orgel former 2nd mate said under oath Fitzgerald flexed too much in bad seas. McSorley himself called it the "Wiggling thing" and it scared even him. Former Fitzgerald cook says he saw lose plates in winter layups and once in Port with no cargo. And the fleet that Fitzgerald was assigned did rushed welding repairs Fitzgerald's excat Sister Ship, Arthur B Homer was scrapped in the 80's despite millions spent on lengthing her just years prior.... why? Why didn't a buyer come forward?

@Rammstein0963.

2 жыл бұрын

@Rosie the problem with that theory, is the last time a laker broke up on the surface (Daniel J. Morell iirc) the stern was located MILES away from the bow. It's like in those air crash investigation shows, where they say they know the plane hit the ground intact because the debris field would be much larger otherwise.

Captain Bernie Cooper of the Arthur M Anderson is a huge hero in this tragedy. Very small mention of it here, but in some of the biggest and nastiest seas that he had ever seen on Lake Superior, that guy chose to leave the safety of Whitefish Bay to go back out into the storm to search for the Fitzgerald. The freighter William Clay Ford did the same. The Coast Guard was woefully unprepared for this situation. They did not have any CG cutters in the area which could be launched in a search and rescue operation...needing to rely instead on Freighter Captains like Capt. Cooper to to head back into the storm in some very vulnerable ships, already battered by their trip across the lake in the storm and riding low in 30 foot waves as they were still fully loaded with 25,000 pounds of Taconite. It's criminal how the Coast Guard handled this. Bernie Cooper was a very brave man.

@kinkane5566

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah when they asked them to go back out I was astonished, and the bravery to actually go... that crew deserves medals for recognition certainly.

@terimiller1813

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinkane5566 the CG did recognize the Anderson and her crew in 1977 for their efforts. Captain Cooper was awarded the Distinguished Public Service Award as well.

@kinkane5566

2 жыл бұрын

@@terimiller1813 Awesome, thanks for mentioning this. Those men certainly deserved the credit.

@nealk6387

2 жыл бұрын

25,000 tons of taconite not pounds. Big difference

@Bald_Cat2007

Жыл бұрын

People often forget about Captain Don Erickson and the SS William Clay Ford who also went out and searched with the Anderson. The Ford was one of the Andersons sisters but was scrapped in 87

I remember finding this in my library. Never expected such a great documentary like this.

I think the captain of the Aurther Anderson was right. He said a huge wave hit the bow of the Edmund Fitzgerald and most of the bow went under and the props just drove the rest of the ship to the bottom.

@jilllyons5823

2 жыл бұрын

That is some good info. I have just recently gotten interested in the history of ships. Please share more info, your comment leaves me thinking that you know history of ships.

@charlesjohnson1678

Жыл бұрын

@@jilllyons5823 with to much water in her belly that wave just finished her off,,my grandad worked at river Rouge Zug Island said he saw the Fitz many times up close,,was amazed she went down.

@TillerG7

9 күн бұрын

Those waves would’ve hit her stern, not the bow.

It's that time of the year once again...that time when we turn our thoughts back to 10th November in 1975 when news of missing Edmund Fitzgerald had disappeared with 29 souls onboard. The brave Captains and Crews of the Arthur Anderson and the William Clay Ford will also always remembered for their heroism after they went back out into the roiling waters of that maelstrom to search for survivors. "R.I.P. to all 29 crew of the Edmund Fitzgerald. Amen".

@watcher6935

4 жыл бұрын

J. Whiteoak , I think she was taken down. 3 marine phones and radars not working, light house down and generator not working for some reason that night. She was spilt in two and the middle disintegrated like she exploded or there was an explosion. 29 crew is 11 in Gematria and on the eve of 11/11. She had been through worse before this night.

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

@@watcher6935 I'm sorry but I'm a "prove it" kinda gal. Without evidence, and I mean TRUE, HARD EVIDENCE, I am not one to be sucked into anyone's conspiracy theories. Exactly how the EF foundered will NEVER be known, not exactly. But I know for a fact that while 200 feet of her midships lay in ribbons and pieces on the bottom, there has never been any evidence of an explosion anywhere onboard. I personally prescribe to Cptn. Cooper's theory of how she went down. Some people are just conspiracy theorists - they'll believe anything..especially those "made for entertainment purposes ONLY FAKEUMENTARIES" that introduce lies as facts ... absolute GARBAGE! I get totally sick of theorists trying to 'prove' that the US government brought down the twin towers .. some try to even 'prove' that there weren't ANY hijacked planes and say that they never even hit the towers...those particular nutters actually believe that the planes were CG'd into the sky, LOL!! Then there's those conspiracy theorists who are trying to 'prove' that no mission ever landed on the moon - and still others who reckon that the Earth is flat ... I've had enough of the lot of them! Please push your theories somewhere else where they're maybe even welcome, but NOT on this solemn occasion of the day of remembering the 44th anniversary of the tragic sinking of the EF. I KNOW you'll come back with a shit load of shit, maybe even abuse, but please do try to restrain yourself out of respect for the dead! Thank you! "R.I.P all 29 men who were lost, and peace to every person who was affected by their sad loss. Amen". Still sailing.

@tomshiba51

4 жыл бұрын

I only realized today again is that anniversary. I know of at least two other videos on the Fitz, but today is the first time I've seen this 1993 presentation.

@tericue2204

4 жыл бұрын

lest we forget

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

@@tericue2204 Yes Teri, just over the International Date Line today (now 11th November) it is also Remembrance Day ... a pretty big occasion for many of us who pause for one minute of silence at 11am to remember those who gave their lives in the conflicts that changed the World. There's an ode that goes: "At the going down of the sun, And in the morning - We WILL remember them. Lest We Forget". And the words "Lest We Forget" are enscribed on every cenotaph erected to the memory of those who could not return to us. But I think in the case of the EF, Lest We Forget seems appropriate also .. I know that the two memorials to the EF will help to preserve her memory, whilst the wreck itself will be a reminder for centuries to come...never forgotten. Still sailing : )

The images of this ship under water are so ghostly. The damaged white boat contrasted against that dark water is just creepy looking.

11 yrs old and a father who was a navy man of the highest degree and on the st Lawrence river on many many occasions! So when this happened it was a big deal as I recall in adult conversation in my family. I was in awe as to trying to grasp a understanding of the tragedy at that age. But I could feel with reason it was an awful event. I still do 45 yrs later! May God watch over!

This is an excellant documentary, very well done and included details I had not heard before.

Dad served one season as 1st mate in 1963. Told us the Fitz had numerous problems.

@tonygriffin8007

4 жыл бұрын

What were some of the problems she had?

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

@@tonygriffin8007 Even Cptn. McSorley was known to say that the Fitz used to do this "wriggling thing". And also her 'skin' was loose .. meaning that at the end of every season her keelsons had to be re-welded to the keel. Sailors who worked on her loathed to go below decks in anything choppier than glass, saying that she "wriggled like a worm" and one sailor who'd worked on her said that there were "unusual pinging sounds" all along her spar deck and that her hog and sag were very strange, unlike other boats. She was never quite right according to many who worked on her and who knew her well.

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

@Kemal Mustafa That's an outright LIE. Cptn. McSorley was one of the most professional Captains on The Lakes! WHERE do you get such bullshit from???

@BonnieDragonKat

4 жыл бұрын

@@j.whiteoak6408 Thank You! He would not have command of the fleet flagship with such behavior nor would he have endangered his retirement or his crew or ship.

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

Damned straight! That comment was just so false and slanderous. Maybe he's confused with the Concordia, the idiot? I've seen his other comments and he's clearly interested in the EF but he's not knowledgeable about her at all, certainly hasn't researched her thoroughly, and so he keeps writing garbage without checking out any of the information FIRST. It's not hard to check out facts BEFORE he writes lies, unintentionally or not! Everyone's entitled to an opinion - but FACTS MUST COME FIRST. Thanks for your comment, much appreciated.

I will always agree with the Captain of the Andersson

@travisn2875

3 жыл бұрын

I agree. For the fence railing to have broken would indicate that the ship was pushed upward when it bottom out.

@Donna.V

3 жыл бұрын

Me too. First of all, he had all those years of experience. And he was there, actually talking to Captain McSorley, and experiencing the storm first hand. He brought the Anderson safely home.

@HoshizakiYoshimasa

2 жыл бұрын

He said grounding OR hull failure in his last interview in 1992. He did say both. (Seen in the discovery Channel documentary) After Arthur B Homer, Fitzgerald's sister was scrapped despite millions of dollars spent on her legethening just years prior.... that raises my suspicion the Fitzgerald's hull design. Former 2nd mate Richard Orgel's testimony to the Coast Gaurd and Former winter layup man Red Bergner also raises questions on Fitzgerald's hull from years of being loaded more than what she was designed for

Lake Superior also has most likely the coldest water South of the North Pole. That lake is freezing even in mid summer and your body will be numb within minutes of entering the water.

@allencollins6031

3 жыл бұрын

Damn didn't know that

@SkSKSK283

2 жыл бұрын

Cold, yes, but freezing… no. Even when the ship went down the water temperature was 50. Cold, yes, freezing? No

@Big_Sierra

2 жыл бұрын

@@SkSKSK283 Try 40°

@SkSKSK283

2 жыл бұрын

@@Big_Sierra the coast guard reported that the water was 50 degrees Fahrenheit on the night of the storm. Check your sources

@DJ-iv2xo

2 жыл бұрын

In mid summer temperature of lake is perfect for swimming. Do as much swimming as i can.

Thank you for uploading this. Not only were the Arthur Anderson and the William Clay Ford brave that sad night but the Coast Guard helicopters who braved the storm.

@markheithorn3905

3 жыл бұрын

Flying a helicopter in those winds would have been a nightmare.

*WOW!* that's all I can say. R.I.P. *29* Never will you and your great ship be forgotten.

That was an absolute act of bravery by the Captain and crew of the Anderson and others who ventured back out to look for the Fitzgerald. Respect.

@davidburnett2458

Жыл бұрын

Agreed

I was raised on Chequamegon Bay in Ashland Wi. Lake front property. I was only 3 years old the night of the storm. My older brothers and my parents remember it like it was yesterday. Bless the 29 men who died.

Never realized she broke in two when hitting the lake bed.. R.I.P. to the Captain and crew. Condolences from Down Under..

@kinkane5566

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you our Aussie brother

@fjbutchbragg8129

2 жыл бұрын

@@kinkane5566 Cheers Kin kane 👍

@drumgk

2 жыл бұрын

That’s one of several theories, some believe she broke up on the surface. Cheers! From the land up over! 😉☮️✌️

@Rammstein0963.

2 жыл бұрын

Except the positioning of the wreck indicates it broke up hitting the bottom.

@terry-fn9dj

2 жыл бұрын

Listen fellas,the freighter was over 700' and the depth of the lake where she lay is 500'. So tell me again where it broke into 2? It happened so fast that the men at the rear couldn't react. The few in the house didn't have a chance and neither did the men in the rear section. When the front hit the bottom the rear snapped off and rolled. It's sad for sure but their loved ones will hopefully see them again

R.I.P to the 29 souls lost on the big fitz. May her bell forever be a reminder of the men who went out that day and never returned.

@TheMattc999

4 жыл бұрын

J. Whiteoak you know the only reason he keeps popping up is because you keep responding, right? Don't feed the trolls. Simply ignore them, let them starve to death, and they will go away.

I was just a 13 year old kid when this happened living in ATL. GA. I remember this tragidy vividly. RIP crew of The Edmond Fitzgerald. God bless the Anderson 🙏 and her crew for turning back in the storm.. I can't imagine what it would have been like never knowing IF someone had survived, then left behind.

@robertyoung3992

3 жыл бұрын

try spelling it correctly it EDMUND Fitzgerald

@lindavogel2710

3 жыл бұрын

@@robertyoung3992 excuse me sorry to offend. Don't you have anything better to do than spell check and send somebody a reply about it?

@davidpallin772

3 жыл бұрын

@@lindavogel2710 No he doesn’t Linda, Robert Young has nothing to contribute to the discussion.

Rest in peace 🙏 and God keep the 29 crew members and family's next to his Heart In Jesus name Amen!!!!!! Excellent job on this documentary 👏 👍 👌 🙌!!!!!!

The Edmund Fitzgerald and her crew will be remembered rip. The Arthur M Anderson and her crew for going back out to look for the Edmund Fidzgerald.

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

As will the brave Captain and Crew of the William Clay Ford be remembered, who also risked everything to go back out into hurricane conditions to search for survivors of the EF. Brave men, every one of them!

@huxleybuxley8573

4 жыл бұрын

Frank that was custom the sailors always covered asses

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

@Damien Williams You don't even understand, "FK OFF". I'm NOT EVEN READING YOUR FKD UP SHIT - you're wasting your time, I don't even know what you're saying. I'm finished with you, you lying twat TROLL. I DARE YOU to be a fkng MAN and save it for the next memorial. SAYONARA YOU LYING FRUITCAKE TROLL.

@mjk6618

3 жыл бұрын

@@j.whiteoak6408 @Damien Williams Whoa! So mad, & stated with such anger! Makes one think that there's some truth in what was said from Damian... If it weren't TRUE then WHY even bother?? Why call attention to THAT? Its your business if YOU ARE or ARE NOT! No need to feed the ramblings of an ignoramous, now IS there? That is, of course, unless he's ON TO something by stating that... Hmm...

@j.whiteoak6408

3 жыл бұрын

@@mjk6618 You don't understand - Several of his comments AND mine have been removed. I reported his, and then I removed my own because they were no longer relevant after his were taken down. By the time he wrote this he'd already trolled me relentlessly on every comment on this video and two others.. One was a video on the sinking of the Atlantic, and I don't remember the other one, but I've never experienced anything like it! Yes, it's angry - haven't you ever been trolled? But what truth could you honestly find in that utter garbage? Mind you, it's not HALF as bad as his other comments that I reported! Most of which just contained filthy personal attacks on myself, and more directed at Cptn. McSorley - whom he obviously knew nothing about at all. And his were disgusting! Only his first comment above remains on this thread, so you can't see what gutter level he descended to. For your further information, McSorley's wife was in a care facility at the time of the sinking, and had been frail for many years - hardly a woman up for messing about with her own husband, much less with someone else's. Also, I READ Jim Hobaugh's account of the sinking, and this nutter is full of it. So no, there's NO truth in any of his bullshit. He was just trolling and baiting, and I'm not taking that lying down.

gordons tribute song came on in my shop while i watched this video

The captain & crew knew they were in serious trouble. But yelling you are in distress, than pulling into port safe would make you look foolish. However, the port wheelhouse door was dogged open. This indicated that if they needed to get out they could atleast make an attempt. The winds, water & list to starboard would have made it all but impossible to reach the lifeboats at the bow or stern sections. They did their best. God bless the other ships that put themselves in peril to search for them. Anyone doubting the severity of this storm, please read about the Woodrush & its captain & crew how they battled the same storm several hours later.They were dispatched from several miles away. I don't believe that even if anyone went over in a life vest that it was survivable. I think about this on its anniversary every year. Being a former Marine, the old saying was you have to go out, but you don't have to come back. By the way, although I never worked on an ore carrier, I'm sure it was not the hatch covers . At 3:10pm they notified the Anderson that they already had the list to starboard [ right side] . That is one hell of a lot of extra weight to be carrying. I too believe it to be a stress fracture. Not the captain or crews fault.

@bellavia5

4 жыл бұрын

GOD Bless.

Storms on these lakes form instantly and are very violent it is a pure miracle that many more ships were not lost on the lakes.

I learned things in this video I never knew and I know a good amount about the Fitzgerald!

Never been to the Great Lakes, but I've stared into the Abyss of the Atlantic and the Gulf, and felt the ery of the unknown. The Lake that never gives up her dead, wow! Powerful, haunting words to beware.

I had just turned 16 years old less than a month before the Fitz went down. It was a big mystery for a while here in Minnesota and all of the states and Canada that border Lake Superior, ( Gichagoomie ). Until she was finally found.

This is the best presentation I've seen. Thanks for the hard work !! Rest In Peace ..

Gosh, what a wonderfully educational video. I loved it !

In other documentaries, there has been mentioned that an error in the charts that Captain McSorley was using were inaccurate, showing the shoals off Whitefish Point as not being located where they actually were... and that this error played a contributing factor in the ship’s demise; as the shoals on the map were off by over a mile compared to their actual location. If Capt McSorley was charting a course based on the inaccurate map, and thinking that he was avoiding the shoals but instead guided The Fitz directly over them, the ship could have bottomed out, creating a fracture in the hull that allowed water to pour in, causing the ship to list, with its pumps being unable to keep up with the amount of water flooding in... as Captain McSorley mentioned in one of his radio transmissions to The Arthur Anderson. A fracture could have also caused a weakening in the integrity of the hull, and could have played a part, causing The Fitz to break apart when a mammoth wave hit her stern, forcing it to dramatically rise vertically, at the same time forcing the other end (bow) of the ship to nosedive straight down to the bottom, breaking the ship apart when it torqued into the lake bottom, or, because when the huge wave hit, it created a trough of “nothing” to form under that section, and with no water to support the middle, she just snapped. We’ll never know for sure. It was most certainly a tragic event, and one that I remember very well, as a teenager growing up in The Great Lakes region in the 70’s. RIP to the 29 brave men who went down with The Edmund Fitzgerald on that brutal night in November, 1975. 🙏🕯

@HoshizakiYoshimasa

2 жыл бұрын

The Shaoling theory has flaws in its argument though. Canadian coast guard went to the spot just after the tragedy. Saw no broken rocks or lose plates. Is actually deeper than 6 fathoms. If she hit both anywhere... I think it was more likely at Chummy Bank which was more north.

@HoshizakiYoshimasa

2 жыл бұрын

Arthur B Homer, Fitzgerald's exact sister ship was scrapped despite millions spent on her legethening just a couple years prior.... I find that very odd. Fitzgerald's former 2nd mate Richard Orgel's testimony to the coast guard that McSorley himself called Fitzgerald's flexing in bad weather the "wiggling thing" and it scared him a little. Long time Fitzgerald Cook Berger's testimony on seeing lose hull plates during winter layup. Fitzgerald designer saying Fitzgerald should not have been carrying the amount of cargo she was during the 70's. Said it put stress on the hull. Something just doesn't feel right about Fitzgerald's loss. Only the 29 lost know. God rest their souls.

@tylerbuckley4661

10 ай бұрын

​@@HoshizakiYoshimasathey found scrape marks on the back side in the middle and on the shoals paint matching the fitz the coast guard lied the hatch covers blew out when she nose dived from the load went forward out the bridges front windows

@tylerbuckley4661

10 ай бұрын

​@@HoshizakiYoshimasaBernie copper knew these men and captain of the fitz

@tylerbuckley4661

10 ай бұрын

​@@HoshizakiYoshimasaradio calls counter the coast guards claim vent covers damaged bringing on water as well as scrping bottom at 6 phathom shoals belge pumps not keeping up was her demise plus the weight causing her to ride low in the water

My vote is she bottomed out. The chart the captain was using were outdated and showed Caribou Island in a different position then it is today. If she hit something, she was sinking from then on. And if a giant wave came along it would have put the bow down and the screw would have torpedoed her into the bottom

@travisn2875

3 жыл бұрын

I agree with you. For the fence rail to be down meant that something "pushed" the ship upward and stressed it to the point of busting the fence rail and that would have been when she bottomed out. Then all it took was a moderate sized wave to engulf her as her list continued to worsen.

@HoshizakiYoshimasa

2 жыл бұрын

Problem with the Caribou shoal though.... it's actually deeper than 6 fathoms. Canada went out there just after the tragedy and saw no broken rocks or paint. If she hit.... I think Chummy bank (rock group more north) is more likely. At least in my opinion. I think she had a broken hull regardless due to fromer 2nd Mate Richard Orgel's testimony on McSorley himself calling Fitzgerald's unusually much flexing in bad weather as the "wiggling thing" and Fitzgerald's former Cook and Winter Layup man Red Berger's testimony. And fact the designer said she was not meant to be carrying the amount of cargo she was in the 70's.

This is the first time I've seen this video. I enjoyed the presentation of the known facts of this disaster presented in this video. Nice to hear from former crew members.

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

I totally agree with you .. full of facts, and even when only speculation is left - THEY STICK TO THE EVIDENCE. No conspiratorial garbage here! I'd give it 11 out of 10 : )

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

Furthermore ... at the end of the day ALL we have are the facts of the matter. So many people are willing to stake their reputation on one theory or another as being gospel fact. But they CAN'T know for certain. That's why it will always be A MYSTERY.

E.F was 728 feet long and was found in waters about 530 feet deep. Extremely good possibility that this ship nosed down and hit bottom, the math adds up.

@sunbeagle9769

3 жыл бұрын

@Joe Joe Possible and most likely? There are no witnesses for the Fitz, so it is all speculation.

@gregobern6012

3 жыл бұрын

The bow could have been plowing through mud while the rear was still on or above the surface driving forward till the middle third twisted and shattered.

@robertyoung3992

3 жыл бұрын

729

@johngaltline9933

3 жыл бұрын

@@gregobern6012 there wouldn't be a whole lot of forward left at that point. simple geometry tells us that the minimum angle we'd be looking at as about 45 degrees, assuming the stern has completely submerged the moment the bow hit bottom. the more of the ship you want to have on the surface the steeper the angle becomes and the more you're talking about the bow pushing straight down as opposed to horizontal with the lake floor. The wreck site shows us that the bow half settled fairly gently, with no sign of landing heavily nose first.

I just looked up the Arthur m Anderson. She is still in service, launched in 1952, and just spent about two years in dry dock, now back on the lakes

@nathanielbarr497

3 жыл бұрын

I live in Port Huron, MI (where the Blue Water Bridge to Canada is). A couple years ago, I saw the Arthur Anderson headed out to Lake Huron on the anniversary of the Fitzgerald going down. It seemed kind of fitting

I remember when she went down. Was a sad night indeed. 😥

I remember that night well ! My father was concerned that the roof was going to come off the house. And we were in northern lower Michigan then.

Personally I don’t see how USCG could’ve come to any definitive conclusion about how she sank because the video resolution is so poor. Most of the video looks like just different shades of darkness so coming to the “complacency” conclusion seems irresponsible.

RIP to those 29’souls. God is with you.

46:50, that guy has quite the imagination. I still think the same thing Bernie Cooper has said all along. For whatever reason the ship took on a bunch of water. When the "rogue" waves went by the Anderson, they said the first one shoved the bow way down into the water, then the next wave lifted the stern way up almost out of the water. The only reason the Anderson survived most likely is it didn't have the same issue of taking on water like the Fitz was. Those waves are what the crew on the Anderson thinks brought down the Fitz about a half hour later, it makes sense. To me the whole mystery is why it was taking on so much water. There is another vdeo on here titled, "Arthur Anderson, Edmund Fitzgerald, a night to remember". It's probably one of the most informative videos about what possibly happened.

A horrible tragedy, may God bless the crew and all of the families.

“ “And all that remains are the faces and the names of the wives and the sons and the daughters.”

Thanks for this video. Interesting backstory regarding this. I had watched the video in the late 1990s and had fondly remembered the song at the very end. Back in 2018 I made a recording here on KZread of that song- shoals of caribou.( i had misspelled caribou) February this year a fellow who had enjoyed the song I put up found Russell Scott's original song on this video and was able to upload it. So glad to see that this video was uploaded as well as that quality song.

When the fence rail snapped, the vent covers blew off and the ship developed a list, it was sinking from that point on, it just took a couple of hours. Hull failure

@kippd2265

4 жыл бұрын

Demon Wolf What would have caused the vent covers to blow off? Inrushing water pushing air out?

@85bbenjaminfan

4 жыл бұрын

@@kippd2265 That does seem likely. The water would cause pressure to build as the air compresses in the cargo hold, and of course the air would take the path of least resistance. So a very astute observation

@huxleybuxley8573

4 жыл бұрын

Fitz hit shoals of Caribou done bent the the rails

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

@@85bbenjaminfan That does NOT seem likely! Because the air vents lead to the tunnels and ballast tanks - NOT the cargo holds. Which blows your theory right out of the water.

@j.whiteoak6408

4 жыл бұрын

@@huxleybuxley8573 Now THAT seems likely! Just like Captain Bernie Cooper of the Arthur M. Anderson said. AND HE WAS THERE!

Of course the Captain of the Anderson was afraid of going back into that storm. ..... they are hero’s. They were! How frightening to have to go back into that monster storm.... all the ships who did .... hero’s.

So thank you for this. I have been following the Edmund Fitzgerald as a kid when Gordon sang about it.

My vote is that she broke apart on the surface - at least partially - and sank rapidly. I visited Duluth a few years ago and drove over to the dock from where she sailed. Superior was calm that morning.

I love the way that the first narrator talks. He's so poetic.

i witness the launching of that ship my mother took home movies of it i was almost 7 years old.

Excellent video. The footage of the sunken vessel was quite Erie. Oh, those poor men and their families. I cannot imagine the fear and grief. God bless.

At the time of the sinking, I was a sophomore at Carleton College, Northfield, Minnesota. I remember the rain storm that night. I learned about the loss that week, and heard Gordon Lightfoot's song a year later. I only learned through KZread videos this month about the ship being named after the chairman of the board of Northwestern Mutual Insurance Company in 1960 and was owned by NML. Since before the sinking, I have owned an NML whole life insurance policy. I always have an eerie feeling about the wreck this time every year.

I'm going with the theory that she" dove Nose 1st to the bottom

@tgrnuytgu9586

3 жыл бұрын

Strange...there never appears to be any fish or marine life in the footage. Can an experienced Great laker tell me, a land bound mentality, something about the marine life situation of the lakes in general and Superior in particular?

@silvergemteam

3 жыл бұрын

@@tgrnuytgu9586 Cold as fuck and lacks oxygen.

@cooldloop2381

3 жыл бұрын

@@tgrnuytgu9586 I live in Duluth, Their is plenty of fish. But it depends on when they searched and recorded it. If it’s November then it’s freezing and the fish are all gone and not near the deep water.

@southerncross5360

3 жыл бұрын

@@tgrnuytgu9586 “Lake Superior never gives up her dead” It sank 17 miles from Whitefish Point on Michigan’s Upper Peninsula, an area that has claimed at least 240 ships. A team found the wreck four days later at a depth of 530 feet using a side scan sonar and other equipment, but they were unable to recover the bodies. “The average water temperature is about 36°F, cold enough to inhibit bacterial growth, this would prevent any bodies from rising. “ I’ve heard the water temperature is likely 33 degrees at that depth, according to one of the crew members nephew, I think he’s McCarthy’s nephew. The story and mystery behind Big Fitz has been important since finding out the boat was found on November 14th 1975, the morning I was born.

@dmmchugh3714

3 жыл бұрын

I agree as it is a very straightforward explanation and so seems very likely in this case.

I live in Sault Are Marie,MI.. I have a love for ships.. I think the Fitz was overloaded.. Weighed her down.. Yea they leaked water.. Through vents or stress fracture... Not hatches... She nosed dived in th lake bed... Those freighters were not designed for ocean stormes... Still she was overloaded. Weighed her down.wrong. time and place. Rip.. Fitz

Fantastic presentation!

I believe it broke at the surface and the bow nosedived down. There are many ships that broke apart at the surface do to strain on the ships trying to stay afloat in storms.

@CKing-388

3 жыл бұрын

I think so too! And they didn’t have time to call for help. It broke and sunk fast. They found one crewmans remains next to the bow. With a life vest on.

@adidas20zero

3 жыл бұрын

@@CKing-388 Sense the back of the ship is upside down where most of the crew members were, most of them may still be buried under the ship!!!

Thank you for not playing Lightfoot's song here, it went well beyond melodramatic years ago. My father was a seafarer on the Great Lakes for 40 years, spent most of his younger years fishing on them. He was also a deep sea salvage diver for the 318th army corps of engineers during the Korean war or debacle or whatever one wishes to call it. The sea was his life. He always maintained that the Fitz bottomed out, that McSorley knew she was sinking, and he also suspected the Coast Guard's slow response was an act of cowardice. Here is what I suspect, 2 theories. The Fitz bottomed out on her right side at Caribou. The starboard list and damage seem to bear this out. Steadily taking on water made the bow low in the water. Those 2 50 foot waves that Cooper described caught up to the bow heavy, listing Fitz. The first wave struck the stern, raising her, causing water and taconite forward pushing the bow under. The second wave did the coup de gra driving the bow to the bottom. where it burrowed out a 230 foot trench. The stern remained above water for awhile, but the ship broke in half and the stern capsized and sank to the bottom, not far from the stern. The other theory is based on testimony from 2 local men who worked at the steel plant where the Fitz was built. They insisted defective welds were passed off and so stress fractures in the hull from years of McSorley "beating the shit" out of the Fitz lined up and caused the hull to fail as the ship broke apart on the surface. The defective hatch covers or the 2 rouge waves may have played a part, but it is obvious that she took on water and that some sudden and catastrophic event which allowed one crew member to hastily attempt to escape and the captain to put the controls at the stop position meant that for a few terrifying seconds they knew they were going down but no time for a rescue, let alone a distress call

@timothydayton5373

4 жыл бұрын

Nothing the Coast Guard could have done would have saved anybody, they were gone to the bottom in a flash. Read somewhere that the impact with the bottom was consistent with hitting it at over 30 MPH, pretty quick dive. Capt. Don Erickson of the Wm.C. Ford said he was reluctant to go as they were safe but felt it was their duty to try. He found out when he got out there that had they seen anything they wouldn't have been able to turn to get it.

@kingbee48185

4 жыл бұрын

@@timothydayton5373 yes, 30-40 mph impact, the damage to the bow doesn't lie, the poor guys in and around the bow/pilot house barely knew what hit them. Hopefully it was quick and merciful. For no distress call to be sent, the bow went under and the evidence we have (the ship in the stop position, the door open and the watchman with a hastily placed life vest put on inside out) is that either she nose dived then broke apart, or broke apart on the surface and nose dived suddenly. If she had broken apart first, that would have given them time to send a distress. So I am convinced she nose dived first from a bow heavy ship with tons of water and taconite pellets rushing forward and thus no time to so much as get out of the pilot house.

@timothydayton5373

4 жыл бұрын

@@kingbee48185 Those guys in the pilothouse were still waiting for it to pull up out of the wave like it had probably done time and again through that storm. Seeing rollers coming down the deck is awe inspiring and chilling. Once the water surrounded the cabin nobody would be able to open a door since they open out. Things to keep in mind with mother nature, no matter how big or powerful a ship is still pretty small.

@kingbee48185

4 жыл бұрын

Apparently they had a few terrifying seconds to realize they were not going to pull up from those 2 50 foot waves that drove the bow under. The wheel was in the stop position, the door to the pilot house was found open, same side where they found one of the 5 bodies of a guy with work coveralls who had hastily dawned a cork life jacket. This indicates that the person first put on the life vest, then opened the pilot house door while the bow was plunging to the bottom, but was unable to get out and was swept down the bottom, the 40mph impact ejected the body where it lay in the debris field, undiscovered until that one dive. Supposedly using enhanced photography they discovered 4 more missing crew, but after the shit storm from the first discovery, just let them lay in peace. The buoyancy of cork life vests at water pressures at 530 ft rendered them unable to rise at all. The Canadian government considers the site of the Fitz a natural grave, so the sponsors of that expedition did not report finding the other missing crew. Or so I read here on someone's youtube comments.

@bellavia5

4 жыл бұрын

Well done. GOD Bless.

I think it's a great documentary. It says that this recordbreaking business wore off the mentality of "Safety first". Everyone felt bad, it was real trouble. Pure greed sunk this ship.

@jeramiahgainey3177

4 жыл бұрын

Finally someone with brains agrees with me, GREED sunk the EF and the Capt was a greedy SOB that cost those men their lives. Enough Said.

R.I.P. Edmund Fitzgerald!

I remember just a couple years before she sank, seeing the Fitz pass by Detroit on the river during the warm months on her way to the Ford steelmaking plant at the big River Rouge complex, and then a few days later, on the return trip to the north with new cars and trucks tied down on her deck...

The first news event I remember as a youngster.

Wow! This was great! First time I’ve seen it

What kind of man take risk on a ship or sub.? To do a job. A brave man. (R.I.P )

C'mon! The stern circled the bow several times? That sounds absolutely ridiculous!

You can hear the EGO in man when they say, "Unsinkable in these modern times." Think again Man! Mother nature will do what it does and when you insert your EGO...down she goes! Mother Nature is one assumption you can bet on!

@lazer2238

3 жыл бұрын

every ship now made has to be named "very much sinkable" so it becomes unsinkable, ironic

@twolak1972

3 жыл бұрын

Exactly. The guy sounds like the designer of the Titanic, Remember what he boasted,A SHIP EVEN GOD COULD,NT SINK, LOL LOST ON HER MAIDEN VOYAGE.The Fitz need not have been lost ,Mc Sorely should have put his ship and crew first and said fuck you to the company and stayed in port, The most he may have lost would have been his job or early arrival bonuses, he and 28 others lost their lives because of his arrogance in thinking he knew mother nature and the worst she could do.

Great documentary! Ty so much for sharing! 👍 May all who lost their lives rest in peace! 🙏💔

My father was an avid sailor on Lake Erie and he didn't chicken out on small craft advisories 🚩. If 50 foot waves can take down a 700 foot iron ore freighter, I can only imagine what it'd do to a 30 foot sloop.

@rosiehawtrey

2 жыл бұрын

Actually a small sloop safer in high waves than a big ship - because of the frequency of the waves being longer than the length of the sloop (in this case 50ft vs 30ft) so provided she can keep integrity she's in little danger of a hull failure. The large ship will probably be longer than the wave frequency - so every single wave stresses the hull in the same way stem to stern. The only real advantages the large ship has is freeboard and resistance to capsizing (assuming she's not overloaded or inherently metacentrically unstable). Even then providing the sloop has the sails reefed, it's not a great problem apart from being swamped.

Those missing bays seem to imply a nosedive impact. 35:04 How would 5 or so bays disappear into rubble? Impact imo. Many documentaries show the ship cracked in two without noting the missing bays which appear to have been crushed. Thus, it is not just a break, something crunched those missing bays. On impact the irregular forces twisted the back end face down, while the front end landed face up, imo.

Come to find out, defective welds were passed off during the melding of these separate parts of the ship during construction, the ship did in fact have a rotten keel, the skin if you will didn't fit. McSorley 'beat the shit' out of the boat "can't make no money sitting at anchor" and tried to outrace the storm. The cook claims she never would have passed the 75 inspection, but they were bought off by a large meal. So the forces of those 20-50 foot waves and 100mph wind gusts likely tore open stress fractures the flooded the cargo holds, and that is why despite having all her pumps on, 'wasn't gaining anything". She was water logged and slowly sinking, but in the rough waves and savage conditions, the crew may have had little inkling of the gravity of their situation. Then the cargo hatches. True, they weigh tons but were not like tank armor and may not have had the tensile strength to withstand the hydrostatic pressure (water weight) of much more than 5 feet. With waves 20 feet or higher rolling across the deck, they may buckled and the pictures taken of the wreck show they imploded inwards, If they broke on that 40 mph impact, they likely would be on the spar deck or next to the port or starboard side on the lake bottom. So that would mean two very serious sources of taking on water. Stress fractures from a rotten, defective keel and hatch covers that imploded. McSorley's command "don't allow no one on deck" is rather alarming and suggests that they were contemplating going on the deck to either get the life rafts ready or to try and save the hatch covers, which should have been completely sealed before leaving port. Then come the two monster waves that Cooper described to deliver the coup. They came from the stern or back of the water logged ship, lifting her up out of the water. The stress fractures at the 'elbow' of the ship, which were probably strained to the breaking point, lined up while the bow plunged beneath the waves. Untold tons of water and taconite pellets rushed towards the bow or front, and the bow never recovers. It breaks off near the elbow, which can no longer support the bow, the bow breaks off and plunges at a 90 degree angle, striking the bottom 520 feet below at 40 mph. The sequela of events are supported by visible facts. The damage to the bow proves it hit at a 90 degree angle, and the layer of taconite pellets on top of the bow proves it broke apart separately from the stern, at the elbow (where ships bend and flex with waves). So the 2 fifty foot waves drove water and cargo forward, the bow didn't recover. The captain or wheelsnan had time to stop the ship, and apparently one crew had time to hastily throw on an old, cork life vest and attempt an escape. It appears he got the starboard side door open, but was dragged down with the detached bow. No time for any distress call or escape. This is proven by the photos which show the wheel in the 'stop' position, the starboard side door is open, and the remains of a crew member with coveralls and a life jacket thrown on backwards was found on the sea floor on the starboard side, where the door to the pilot house is open. As to the stern, it probably stayed afloat for a bit longer, but with viscious waves and tons of water rushing in, the crew were getting knocked all over the place and any escape route shut off by tons of rushing, icy water. No bodies were observed in the crew quarters or hallways, or if they did in fact find any, they wisely chose to keep silent about it. Previous expeditions had searched for missing crew, I find it inconceivable that they didn't find the guy in coveralls. That kid and his father saw it on the Shannan expedition and reported it, and that upset the family members and put an end to future expeditions. Thus we will never know exactly what happened that fateful night, save for the clues that were collected and we can draw conclusions based on facts. Until the cause is actually proven beyond a doubt, the men will have died in vain, in my opinion. I say it was defective from the start, pounded and beaten by a pig headed captain who never should have sailed that day or at least tried to ram her aground on the Canadian shore to save his crew, and poorly maintained. In sum, greed and arrogance combined with physical flaws doomed the ship on that day of 10 Nov 1975.

People living up around the Great Lakes were well aware of the storm dangers and we respected the lakes. The most violent storms are on Lake Michigan and Superior. Perhaps it’s the depth of the lakes or maybe the shape as the 5 lakes are all different. Being large ships in fresh water lakes , RUST was always an issue. But the Fitzgerald sinking was devastating to all shipping on the lakes and affected many mining and manufacturing in the cities around the lakes in several states.

@davidwilson4331

2 жыл бұрын

I have seen some really bad storms on Lake Michigan with 40 knot winds and 3-5ft waves. There is a breakwater in Milwaukee near the entrance to the harbor that boats regularly get pushed into by wind and waves so intense that can't navigate away from it. I can't even imagine what being out in the open water during gale-force winds.

Rest in peace to the 29 crew members of the mighty Fitz and to the newest crew member Gordon Lightfoot for writhing the song the wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald your music lives in the hearts of the surviving family members and fans we will miss you but never forget you😢

We will NEVER forget!

I grew up near the ore docks in Duluth west end. Although I don't remember the specific storm on Nov 9-10, I do remember the television coverage and the aftermath the next day. I've seen so many documentaries through the decades but somehow missed this one. Interesting video if taken in the context of the date of production.

Wow! Thank you.

I think the United States was going through a recession in the 70s. This was brought on by the oil embargo from 73 to 74. Interest rates were real high. I think Richard Nixon and then Gerald Ford were presidents at that time. I'm sure jobs were a little tough back then. And things were a lot simpler than. Your phone was on the wall or desk. It was not in your hand. Communication and information moved way more slowly than it does today.

God only knows what happened! May the crew R.I.P.

Sailed on the Pacific for years with my father, on hull no. 1 of the ‘Express 27’. Miles out, we were safe. Never had a scarier time then when we took her on a lake + unpredictable winds.

29 men just trying to earn a living and provide for their families. Then they were gone, all of them gone

I bought this documentary on VHS back in the early 90s. Kinda cheezy but it was better than nothing

@zachhoward9099

4 жыл бұрын

Only thing that's cheesy and IMO a bit creepy is that damn background music they play while describing the Fitzs last hours. Not a bad documentary at all and IMO better than the 1995 Discovery Channel Documentary that for some reason seems to be the go to

Very, very tragic however, it is not a mystery as to what happened to the Fitz. Listen to Captain Cooper....he will tell you exactly what happened. May her crew, (Fitzgerald) Rest In Peace.

@HoshizakiYoshimasa

2 жыл бұрын

Then why was Arthur B Homer Fitzgerald's sister ship with same design scrapped abruptly after millions of dollars were spent on her legethening just a few years prior? Why did Richard Orgel. Fitzgerald 2nd mate testify to the coast guard that McSorley himself called Fitzgerald's flexing in bad weather the "wiggling thing" and that it scared him? Why did the last surviving lead designer of the Fitzgerald say the Fitzgerald's hull wasn't design to carry the amount of cargo she was in the 1970's and that it put stress on the hull and welds?

@RAV1953

2 жыл бұрын

@@HoshizakiYoshimasa If you will do a little research, your questions will all be answered.

I support the nose dive theory.you have a seasoned captain of the Anderson stating that.a experienced captain that was only 10 miles behind the fitz.that and the fitz had structural issues..another doc.about the fitz that was interesting was they found the chadburn in the ALL STOP POSITION.could it be when they took a nose dive and the bow didnt recover like it did so many times before that they actually shifted that chadburn into the all stop position before the windows of the pilot house imploded?then again some say the reason why the stern is up side down is due from the torque of the props.

If there could be closer inspection of the jagged edges of the points of where it actually broke apart a metalurgist might be able to determine the event that actually broke it apart(shear,tortional,impact stress etc.).The fact that the crew radioed they had a fence rail down and a list to starboard along with missing vents and hatch covers would indicate structural stress failure, if there was a way to determine which hatch covers were missing prior to the sinking and a closer inspection of the clamps at the points of the missing covers ; there should be evidence to show if the clamps had failed or not. I would find it hard to believe that the ship's master would have allowed the ship to venture into what was by all accounts described as monsterous seas without ordering all the the clamps installed on each hatch cover remember this was an experienced,well seasoned crew and they would have known what they were up against. In any event, it was a horrible tragic event and my heartfelt sorrow goes out to all the families of these brave men and it's my hope that a way can be found to see that it never happens again. I also wonder if an underwater survey of the lake bottom of the ship's track was done from the point where it radioed its first trouble to it's final resting place; such a survey might tell the story of if it had actually had struck bottom. There ought to be a way to install sensors into the hull of a ship to indicate if structural integrity has been compromised to the point of danger as well as emergency locater transmitters with operating perimeters of engines and associated equipment like what's installed in today's aircraft, it would be able to tell investigators alot about the final moments of such tragedies, just a thought...

@deanladue3151

3 жыл бұрын

For some years before the sinking there were a lot of whispers about the Fitzgerald having a structural flaw that originated in the keel of the ship which was constantly needing serious repairs. It's up for debate, but the Fitzgerald set many load records for tonnage hauled. But all the same, those record loads exacted a serious toll on the structural integrity of the ship to the point where the keel was damaged probably beyond repair.

@suzannee6673

3 жыл бұрын

www.researchgate.net/publication/323691614_A_Forensic_Investigation_Of_The_Breakup_And_Sinking_Of_The_Great_Lakes_Iron_Ore_Carrier_Edmund_Fitzgerald_November_10th_1975_Using_Modern_Naval_Architecture_Tools_And_Techniques

It breaks my heart.... Bentsen’s mom...... hearing her broken heart..... and how no one contacted her.

@peteytwofinger

2 жыл бұрын

i heard that the insurance company did nothing to "take care" of the familys of the crew untill they were threatened .

It is probably an embarsiment for one Captain to say they need life saving help.

@cle-chi

Жыл бұрын

too much Pride

The question i ask is. Why did they send Dudley Paquette away for one month while they were doing the inquiry. I find that odd. It appears he did not as much respect for McSorley as a fellow seaman should. Paquette said in his book. That night was the only night he ever thought he was going to die. It must have been really bad. And the Fitz was know to have some sort of internal problem. She was going into I think Sturgen Bay at the end of this run for major repairs. Were they (corperate)hiding something. Who knows. Well all we can do is pray for these guys and their families. Only God knows what really happened. Who's to blame doesn t really matter I guess anymore. It bothers me that they never really came to any conclusive end in the matter. And now all the guys are gone. Paquette book I think is called The Night of th Fitz. Haven t read it in a long time. Everybody be good . God bless you all. DJ

I am a health n safety officer trained n the construction industry OSHA trained. They the saety inspectors should of grounded the Fitz upon finding needed repairs.

@schmedlywhiplash6267

4 жыл бұрын

1975 was a different time! Men were built of steel.........

@ernierodriquez3315

4 жыл бұрын

So was the Fitzgerald n look what happened.

@ernierodriquez3315

4 жыл бұрын

@Hal 9000 fuck u

@briankelly3931

4 жыл бұрын

We all learn from each other to some extent one or a another . Capiche

@BonnieDragonKat

4 жыл бұрын

She was inspected on October 31 1975 in my hometown. She was deemed seaworthy.

When the ship radioed “we are holding our own,” it was actually sinking, but they didn’t realize it.

Having Cat 2-3 storms on a lake that is so far inland from the oceans sounds impossible yet it happened many times on the lakes. These lakes are very deep and have unusual currents that are very strong.there can also be large ice bergs on the lakes it took captains decades to qualify to sail the Great Lakes.

@davidpallin772

3 жыл бұрын

Category 3 storms are not unusual for Lake Superior, they happen quite often because of their geographical location and also with rapidly changing weather patterns. Nothing strange here, Lake Superior got very angry on 10 November 1975.

@DJ-iv2xo

2 жыл бұрын

@@davidpallin772 There's no "ice bergs" on Lake Superior in November.

@davidpallin772

2 жыл бұрын

@@DJ-iv2xo Never said there were, you might want to check my post again.

@zachhoward9099

Жыл бұрын

@@davidpallin772 he’s replying to the original posters claim of ice bergs on the Lake

BTW this is the best analysis on the Edmond Fitzgerald I have seen to date. Insurance companies and Lawyers prevented the required application of survival suits. But there may have been no time to use them, especially for the black gang. if that part of the ship ends upside down you're hosed even in shallow water but at 530 feet. You're a done duck . RIP Brothers.

The coast guard were not ineffective. They sent everything they could. The problem was most of their ships were either too small or in dry dock getting repairs.

44 years to the day later....this is still some what of a mystery. Great video, lots of cool info, I like the guy in the big-O-glasses. On a side note* The set decorator said, "We still have more framed pics..." and the director said, "oh....just put those on the floor"...hahahaha....

I like how the narrator acts as if a gun is pointing at him off screen and his family is kidnapped.

Since the side fencing snapped I’m going to call this a hull failure. She cracked in half.

"She might have broken up, or she mayve capsized, or she couldda dove deep and took water" - Gordon Lightfoot

@dennism48317

3 жыл бұрын

@Rosaenoke Syzlak, if you're going to quote, you should get it right. Couldda? "They might have split up, or they might have capsized, they may have broke deep and took water........."

@roaenokesyzlak7828

3 жыл бұрын

@@dennism48317 Go take your nit picking and shove it boyo. No one cares but you.

@callmebig_e

3 жыл бұрын

chill yall

I've never been near a ship in my life, and no nothing about marine vessels except what I watch in videos like this one. But I believe that the final theory of the cause of her sinking put forth by George Morris is the correct one. Just make sense to me. She rode up high on a massive wave to about half length, and then the front section snapped off due to the great weight of her cargo shifting forward. The crew would not see it coming because in the dark the height of the waves would be difficult to gauge. They had no time to react at all. Just my thought's. The Fitzgerald first entered the water the year I was born in 1958. And I remember it on the news when she went down. I was 17. I am now 64. My condolences to the victims families.

At 15:32 to 15:35 , the Captain the Arthur M. Anderson (one S) is referred to as Jesse Cooper. His name was actually Bernie Cooper.

@debby631

3 жыл бұрын

Jesse is his first name Bernie his middle

@johnhurd6243

2 жыл бұрын

@@debby631 thank you.

I agree with Capt. Cooper when the Fence rail was broken not from sagging but hogging from striking the shoals off of Caribou island

@HoshizakiYoshimasa

2 жыл бұрын

Which is actually deeper than 6 fathoms and the Canadian coast guard who just after the tragedy found no broken rocks or red paint? If she hit anywhere, it was likely at Chummy bank. (But a Fitzgerald Noob like you probably doesn't know where that is)

I think the "Big Fitz" hit a pinnacle off Caribou Island . In the rough water and uncharted shallows she hit bottom snapping the railing and slowly sinking beneath them.