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5:55 Thank you man! More people need to see how amazing this community is! 🤙

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

That’s something we can all get behind!

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Also can this be on the next cover: “Seems like a lot of cool people” KMart’s Mom

we all have our opinions on this not everyone will agree but I hate seeing people trying to start arguments in comments with pilots that have posted their concerns about this topic. Rotor Riot was always a hobby friendly organization and I personally am against what they are trying to do just for money. on the other hand you see these FPV drones used in the Ukraine war and me being from Ukraine myself I fully support the use of drones in that war(probably lots of bias there but I cant help it). they have been an amazing tool to defend Ukrainian territory. Red Cat just wants to hop on the drone as a weapon train to make money but if I was a Rotor Riot employee I would have a lot to think about, if I really want to be a part of this. going from a hobby friendly organization to creating killing machines is a wild jump and they should not be surprised if FPV pilots hate Rotor Riots actions.

I HATE that FPV is becoming synonymous with war. It's a hobby that has brought me together with people from all over the world (Russia and Ukraine included). And seeing companies put out PR saying the quiet part out loud feels like a very personal attack on that. I can empathize. And boycotting RR is your prerogative and right. But, you're going to have to start boycotting a lot of companies. If you start paying closer attention you'll find that many have already been working directly with the US Military. As far as any US FPV company having a detrimental impact on the hobby now. The cat has been out of the bag since 2016/17 (wouldn't be surprised if it were sooner) when ISIS started using Phantoms to drop munitions on people AND develop their own UAV's. FPV companies working to develop weapons is a symptom. Not the cause. I don't like that it's happening either. However, I also understand it.

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Well said. I think the best thing to come of this is the conversation and dialogue about ethical practices in FPV. I’m sure the history of FPV in warfare has linger roots than what I’ve covered here, but this was my last straw with RR - it’s a personal thing.

@robert_g_fbg

11 күн бұрын

A lot of dual-use tech exists out there. ESC, camera, vTx, etc. are in many products. We’ll keep using them in our hobby drones, and won’t disparage the folks that make them. Where I agree with y’all is that marketing our birds for war is bad for the hobby. Boycott RR 4 sure Btw, I don’t do DJI on principle too 🤜🏻

People act like all the other companies advertise war drones

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Seriously!!

What is gross to me is all these shills trying to justify RR's actions with the actions of others. Deflection is not an valid argument.

@angelnunez6476

12 күн бұрын

A huge amount of there parts were already being used to build military fpv drones and even if they didn’t go military they still would’ve been building military drones.

@easyefpv6609

2 күн бұрын

They don't have a real choice in it. They are owned by redcat 😂 bro our drones are being made for military. What are you going to do? Stop buying from rotor riot? Cool 😎 this is going to happen no matter what company.

@joem.5134

Күн бұрын

@@easyefpv6609 do you have brain rot?

I feel the same way! It's heartbreaking to see our passionate hobby used destructively. Greed and war destroy literally everything. 😥

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

THis is actually really nice to hear! I’m getting ripped apart in these comments! Haha

@derelictfpv

13 күн бұрын

​@@Kmart_FPVDont worry Kev. You are a well respected member of the FPV clan.

Some are clearly not getting the problem. Fpv is struggling reputationally. Community developed hobby tech is being used as cheapo cruise missiles in Ukraine. Companies like Rotor Riot should be trying to protect the reputation of FPV not set it on fire by marketing precision strike drones that look identical to FPV drones. They should have made a clear effort to differentiate there precision strike drone from a standard bind and fly fpv drone. It would have made them look more professional and less like a bunch of crash grabbing get rid of old stock warmongers.

@Kmart_FPV

12 күн бұрын

Perfect! Well said!

The heroes you grew up with are not supporting death. They have not been in charge for years at this point. The company is still there, but it changed hands long ago. I totally agree with you that the community that flies is what is really important.

You are 100% spot on. I have been flying FPV for 13 years, and RC for 40 years. Very few things upset me more than seeing our flying machines, these things of beauty, used to kill people. The companies that have sold out to the defense industry do not deserve our support. There are plenty of Lockheed’s and Raytheon’s in the world.

@hallio111

6 күн бұрын

i was in shock when ukainians used fpv drones ... felt so wrong.

I miss the old RR.

Congrats for standing up and speaking about a topic that can be touchy! Been into RC for about 17yrs. Walked away end of last year! Just isn’t the same as it was years ago!

@Kmart_FPV

6 күн бұрын

I was terrified to make this video, but I did feel it was important to have my stance on record. So when I look back I can say I was against this shitty moment in fpv.

Great Video Kev. Very good points you put out there. 👊🏻

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Thanks 👍

I'm with you bro. The whole way. I liked and subed ya!!!

@Kmart_FPV

12 күн бұрын

Thanks man! I’m getting a lot of hate, but I can assure you this one video is not indicative of my content. Welcome to the party

@Nanoblaster77

12 күн бұрын

@Kmart_FPV alot of us are. Don't cave I don't want to be at a park and have people run for cover and swat show up because I'm flying my personal drone!!! This is a small movement but it's a movement.

@Kmart_FPV

12 күн бұрын

You’re a good dude @nanoblaster77 . I’m gonna like having you around!

@Nanoblaster77

12 күн бұрын

@@Kmart_FPV I'm always up for flying with good people!

I did not know that. Thanks for the heads up

I too was enamored with early rotor riot content, after the ogs left shit went down hill. I think we can all push through this and survive as long as we continue to have positive influence in the hobby from you and many others.

most people would be ok with this new RR development if RedCat would just make another company that just makes war drone using hobby parts maybe, but not using funds and development from RotorRiot which makes its money from the comunity and this hobby, this is the line, Think about if FliteTest would start making war drones using money or development from its comunity members....also RR deleting any comments mentioning these issues from their video doesn't look good

@Kmart_FPV

10 күн бұрын

That would’ve been fine! Don’t put the RR logo on anything, and make your war drones and disassociate with the FPV community

I get ya! The worst part of the Redcat promo was the rhetoric and slogan they used...'Welcome to the family'.. Like what the..? No thanks.

I totally understand your concerns… HOWEVER, if anyone believes that there will be “quad/drone” manufacturers/sellers that do NOT do business with the governments around the world for military purposes… you are smoking premium stuff… the $$$ that is involved with military applications is MASSIVE. And in the end the $$$ will ALWAYS BE THE DRIVING FACTOR… it is what it is…. Get used to it or get ready to leave the hobby. You will not have any place to purchase quad technology that is not involved in the military end of the hobby. Try to buy a gun from someone who doesn’t sell to the military. In the very near future that will not be an option… peace ✌️

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

That’s a fair point. I guess to me, there is a difference between soldiers drinking coke, and coke selling its product as a poison that will kill people. I know that the military buys the product, but this feels like development for the military and that rings in my head differently. I appreciate your point though, it’s a good one!

@philsonnenberg6092

13 күн бұрын

Kinda like every other company in the world that we deal with every day. Ford, GM, Microsoft all have large military contracts. Most are directly involved in the killing of humans on the battlefield. NONE are totally free from having blood on thier hands.

@MrTwocansam

13 күн бұрын

(Toy planes) There has never been a death in the hobby of R/C planes, helicopters, multirotors, or experimental R/C aircraft. Toys with FPV have never been safer with the onboard view.

@magiofthoth

13 күн бұрын

I think the fact that a bind n fly we can get is used as marketing for a lethal strike drone... is the main issue. My issue goes on to the fact that arming the smaller drones for military use means we lose our hobby due to more and more restrictions to size and weight. Yet in my area today, my national guard is testing black hornets, which are well below sub250. Keep the hobby away from the wars. Otherwise, we lose access to flying in any place other than a FRIA without massive fines. 😅 and I have a whole other issue with fines as punishment for a "crime"

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

There are tons of companies in FPV who don't sell shit to the military. MOST of the companies in FPV are one man companies, pilots who have innovated and created products for our community. There's many corporations who are taking from our community and feeding it to the military.

i was about to say the same goes for dji greed ...

Imagine designing a frame and BnF quad with the soul purpose of it being YOUR perfect freestyle tool to share with others, and now it WILL kill people. Damn 😮‍💨

@Kmart_FPV

11 күн бұрын

It’s got to be the worst feeling

redcat was sketchy from the beginning

Sounds like the fang is gonna be used for laser targeting for airstrikes (isr) infrared or sonar or radar targeting

Im new to the hobby and i totally agree with your points, i watched riot for a bit but i cant continue to enjoy their content if in the back they are making drones specifically to kill.

I hate war, it sucks that people are dyeing wars are lame and it reminds me of kids fighting in a sand box over a toy or space. Its just so primitive, but most tech that we enjoy came from military applications unfortunately I don't think it has to be this way and now it seems to be going the other way this time. I still think the Rotter Riot crew are great guys and i think not supporting them because a company that bought them out also is selling drones to are military. I hope there sending them to Ukraine so they can defend democracy and there way of life. The Military also has drone racing leagues they have had them for years now and who knows maybe in a year or so drones will be useless on the battle field with more powerful radio jamming systems and wont be of any use. Well I'm just a dumb guy and I don't think boycotting drone company's is going to do much get out and vote and keep flying. I hope for peace

Couldn’t agree with your thoughts and sentiments more. Very well said! It’s a shame, a letdown, a really big bummer that RR has decided to take this route. I started with one of there drones, about three years ago as well. It was their content in part that got me into the hobby. And I will never again support them for this indiscretion. Neither through their content nor their store.

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

#fpvfamily will stand together

This makes me sick, man. I hate when business decisions are made like this one. You mentioned of the money is on the table it would be hard to turn down. I place morals and ethical decisions above money myself.

I am conflicted. On one hand I absolutely understand Ukrainian FPV pilots weaponizing FPV drones. After your first build or two its capabilities are obvious and unfortunately the invasion of has vividly demonstrated what we all knew to a global audience. On the other hand the commercialization of FPV as a weapon by Redcat is disgusting. What I find as an interesting thought experiment is does this now provide leverage for a possible second amendment challenge to the FAA’s enforcement of Real ID laws? Disregarding the huge can of worms that would potentially open of course. I used to fly safely and responsibly every day for 5 years but stopped as regulations became more burdensome. Now that FPV is seen more and more as a “precision strike weapon” I don’t know if I will ever feel safe flying again…

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

I've been flying 8 years, still feels as safe as the day I started. I do always pucker up with the cops roll up on us, but they usually wanna know how fast it goes, and we slap the goggles on em 👌

Very well said! I think and feel exactly the same way. Thanks for standing up and for sharing this video! ✌

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

no joke, I've been worried about releasing this. But when we look back historically, I want to be on the right side of it.

@sino155

13 күн бұрын

True words bro! 🙌 Much love to the entire FPV family!

Thank you for using your platform to bring awareness. More need to speak up

@Kmart_FPV

8 күн бұрын

I’m happy you see it this way. Thank you

@jp-3dairgunworks152

8 күн бұрын

@@Kmart_FPV I believe the majority who love the hobby agree. Seems there is a noisy minority who are screaming the loudest to somehow tie this with some anti-Russia pro war propaganda. A DOD contract is not exclusive to Ukraine. Lethal machines will end up sent to third world countries around the world. To fuel what ever conflict our politicians profit from.

@Kmart_FPV

8 күн бұрын

@jp-3dairgunworks152 agreed! It also seems as though many people are missing my point, maybe they didn’t get it or maybe I did a poor job explaining how this negatively affect FPV, not wether it not drones should be used in war. That’s probably on me

@jp-3dairgunworks152

8 күн бұрын

@@Kmart_FPV no you did fine. The RR fanboys are a small minority in the community who seem to be all out on the defensive

Just ask rotoriot if it's weapons grade on each n every video they release

6:25 amazing

What you say is absolutely right. It's all a shame...

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

It really is.

Its not only rotor riot who is out for blood money. Just check out the latest releases from all the big fpv brands.(foxeer, geprc, etc.)... A lot of 1w,5w, or even 10w analog vtxes and 7+ inch frames

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Yes, but in those cases the military is using their product. In the case of RR/RedCat/ Unusual Machines, these drones are marketed as weapons and that’s the optic that turn my stomach. It’s still a great point that you made though.

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

​@@Kmart_FPV naw. The $3500 night vision fpv cameras were not made for us. The cheapest one was $700 for a 19mm cam...it's Def military focused.

It's all about greed my friend.

It's interesting that FPV quads have been used as a aerial attack and reconnaissance platform for a couple years now and a company openly acknowledging that they are benefiting financially from it makes everyone go into boycott mode. By no means in my condoning this but, I find it interesting that all of a sudden now the outrage.

@Kmart_FPV

12 күн бұрын

It's in writing, now. I think that's huge.

I agree i unsubscribed back when they started to turn fpv multirotors quads into weapons of war shame on rotor riot

I get all you said thats how i got in the hobby i even got all my stuff from them they helped me out tramendisly to get started in the hobby and i feel like you the hobby brings me peace and kills my stress i love it so much i mean i go fly everymorning before work that feeling in the sky helps me relax and 90 percent of my stuff is from RR ya it sucks they got involved i get it i wish they didnt caise your right the karens are going to look at it different now but alot of companys are involved in the military some way or another if you give up on RR then you will have to give up on alot of other stuff too anyway good video everything you said is true i subscribed thanks man

Please show some Consistency and also boycott Lumineer and getfpv.

🥂 Cheers to your statement about DJI not being an FPV company! All these developments are examples of how huge corporate interest just want to profit out their users expense. As much as they can be a benefit to the FPV community they're a hindrance to innovation within the real community. And the take over of Rotor Riot by one of those corporate interests is such a shame.

I'm glad to see you on board with the rest of us (as your mom put it) good people ❤. To hell with the explosive sex toy company

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Agreed!

Hey you're totally right! We have a Hobby and they have a Business, but the sad thing is, propably all FPV Pilots in America will be called to fly4freedom!

Nice one fella,I really think the only way to fly safe in the future is to get away from the public and Karen's is get a permission as if it was a permission to shoot/hunt,I've made a few over the years it is so nice to really relax and fly I think if I didn't have them I'd give it up. Happy flying frend😊

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

well-said. I agree.

It is sad but... I think it's a logical step for a company, atm. With more and more division between countries popping up everyday, conflict is inevitable. Even here in America, we've NEVER seen this nation as divided as it now. The war in Ukraine has been a MASSIVE eye opener as to how easily a weapon made of cheap and readily available parts can be slapped together and used with mind blowing effectiveness compared to weapon systems that cost a hundred times more. On top of that, combating the use of these cheap weapon systems has proven to be VERY HARD to do. An ENTIRE country, like Russia, is having an extremely difficult time finding a way to effetely stop them. Now, imagine if a foreign or domestic terror group was to start launching attacks inside the US using these weapons (I'm refusing to call them "drones" on purpose). I think it's just a matter of time before using, purchasing or even owning a drone in the US will be illegal. It could be that Rotor Riot sees the writing on the wall and if they want to continue staying in business, they have to shift focus. Besides, there is a metric Sh** ton more cash to be made with government contracts versus our tiny hobby. I'm not giving RR a pass, I'm just stating that there 3 sides to a coin and not just two.

@Kmart_FPV

12 күн бұрын

I agree with all of this.

To be honest most of Our tech came from military or military Gains so I mean it is what it is

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

That’s a great point, and I’m not 100% sure why this one hit extra close to home. But this is my hill to die on…

@stevenhaines1105

13 күн бұрын

No wrong the other way round,the OZ Military use BF and I don't think trappy and friends who constructed the first fpv goggles from sky goggles are in the military

@impalabob81

13 күн бұрын

@stevenhaines1105 your right I'm sure our military is using something way better

@ryanrockey9108

12 күн бұрын

Strongly disagree. The opposite is true. For example Betaflight is arguably the most important enabling technology for FPV “drones” developed entirely by volunteers and Open Source with no ties to military sources.

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

I've also gotta strongly disagree, you've got it backwards. The FPV Community are the pioneers, and the military is copying us. The military wasn't tearing apart Wii-Motes to find cheap gyros...and they didn't build betaflight or blheli or any of the current transmission systems. They certainly influenced our hardware, did you see how fast ELRS and Crossfire got encryption after it came out DJI lied about being encrypted when they werent. Military has been too busy playing with Boeing and Lockheed Martin, until our "toys" started busting tanks...

I get the concern and I get how bad this is/looks for the hobby. But damn we aren't going to have anything left to fly if we go down this rabbit hole. Every company has blood on their hands. From lumineer, tmotor, rotor riot, DJI, orqa, flywoo, iflight... I mean literally all of them. So do we boycott or do we start going out of our way to promote the real side of why we love this hobby? Figure out a way to appeal to the masses and show them.. I dunno. I'm torn on this topic. Rotor riot isn't any more guilty than any other company..

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

I love this take - and I agree! We need to promote the art of FPV. I do think Rotor Riot is the tip of this spear though. That is where my line is drawn

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

@xorlockx What do they really sell that nobody else makes? Most of their in house brand is stuff stolen/copied from the community. I see no reason to continue letting them take from our community to sell to the highest bidder.

@xORLOCKx

12 күн бұрын

@Fly_High_FPV you could say the sane exact thing about Iflight and DJI. Except RR didn't sell to the highest bidder they sold to the US government. And strictly the US government. Wasn't a bid at all. I get what you are trying to say but it's not thay simple. Iflight and DJI sold to the highest bidder. That's why you see them on both sides on the conflict. RR sold to the US and only US. Not justifying it but what you said seems to be more of a catchy headline and less based in fact. But I'm not trying to take a side. I don't want this to turn into what it's turning into. I don't want our hobby to be used as a weapon. I think this stems more on people waiting for a reason to not like rotor riot. Has to be.. because every big company is just as guilty. Has everyone forgot about the picture of all the iflight drones in a warehouse with to RU soldiers? Was even shown on bardwells live stream. We just ignoring that one? You think they didn't know where that was going when that order was placed? I guess I don't just want to immediately pick up a pitch fork against someone who has done so much for our community. I want to at least take the time to research and find the right side to settle on with this topic. Rotor Riot has done a lot, like them or not.

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

@@xORLOCKx I've said similar about alot of companies, that I can't support. I've been telling people Fvck iFlight for years, because they sell faulty trash and don't support the trash they failed to QC. We've seen hundreds of their drones sold to Russian. We've seen GetFPV's backrooms, where they make war drones en mass....you won't find me sending a penny to any of them. I don't ignore them, I take notes. There's plenty of upstanding alternatives to their stuff anyway. You'll notice a common thread on all these shitty companies...they lack innovation and instead steal and copy from our community. No need to pick n choose douchbags, there are plenty of corpo bitch companies who happily sell out our community. I'd like to see them all publicly shamed and boycotted. There are no double standards here, fvck all the companies who sell out our hobby.

I feel like I got to this topic early. I posted a really crappy video about this because I am not really a youtuber. A lot of people are posting about this and comparing retailers like getFPV and asking if we are ok with that. It isn't a fair comparison GetFPV didn't have a media arm in the same way Rotor Riot does. They had an established brand, an image and portrayed the hobby in a certain light. Rotor Riot may not have come out and said "These are our values" but actions are louder than words and people pick up on that. The change from Rotor Riot to Unusual Machines is quite the heel turn. In turn people who identified with the old brand and values they saw on display are now experiencing whiplash over this new direction. FPV drones like the fang are nightmarish bombs not surveillance tools. Comparisons to Toyota trucks are not applicable. These are comparable to guided missiles, just very small. The potential for collateral damage is high.

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

Getfpv did have a backoffice that was building stacks of "single use drones" to send to war...most of these corporations have zero morals and just sell anything...fuck em. Plenty of of shops out there with integrity

No way around this happening. If slot cars made helped the war effort............

Very well said and articulated with facts

@Kmart_FPV

10 күн бұрын

Thanks.

Are you boycotting getfpv too? How about RDQ? Tyler is an active air force pilot, what do you think he does? Luminer? All of China because they are the ones making most of it. The dudes at Rotor Riot are awesome.

@Kmart_FPV

12 күн бұрын

I have nothing against the flight team at RR, they all seem cool.

Very good points.. unfortunately fpv / quads have now fallen into the “gun control” drama… Maybe we as a fpv community can educate and inform.. and minimize the damage…

It does sound like a sex toy company. I laughed so hard at that one.

I wonder if someday in the not so distant future, we will be restricted to flying only 1S whoops

That's a valid point. People should watch this video because I didn't think about that

@Kmart_FPV

4 күн бұрын

Please feel free to share if you think it’s important.

Really well put.

No doubt Vanover has been AI training their drones. They've been showing but not telling. The pieces have been there since before "Overseas" tensions. IMO

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Agreed, about the pieces being in place for a while.

@captainvanover

13 күн бұрын

😂😂😂 bro really

@austinspired

13 күн бұрын

What? 😂😂

@that_jason_black

13 күн бұрын

@@captainvanover Nail on the Head? Not hating. I have no steak in the game. Just have to do some course adjustments. 🙂

You got my subscription with your first thing you said.

@Kmart_FPV

9 күн бұрын

Welcome to the party

It all comes from China. You would have to boycott basically everything we buy and consume.😕

IMPORTANT NOTE THAT NO ONE IS TALKING ABOUT - Redcat Holdings is a VERY DIFFERENT company from Redcat Racing. I'm really hoping the latter doesn't see any any harm from all these boycotts.

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

This is a GREAT point that no one seems to be mentioning. I didn't know this was a thing?!

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

Honestly there isn't much overlap, one is a military drone company and one sells ground rc

@notice_fpv

12 күн бұрын

@@Fly_High_FPV you do understand how there could be confusion? What with the names being so similar?

@angelnunez6476

12 күн бұрын

They both sell to the military. One does intentionally while the other doesn’t.

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

@@notice_fpv oh yeah, but I don't think anyone thinks RedCat Racing is strapping grenades to drones and selling to the military. This is clearly a RedCat/RotorRiot/Teal/Unusual Machines joint effort to ruin the hobby and sell our technology to the highest bidder

Hahaha “so disappointing…😢” 😂😂😂😂

U wanna know how to get the message to more people.....make fly tribe free (digitally) or make a few issues that are free like 1 e try 3 or 4 months and get someone with a huge following to fly fpv... like Mr beast or maybe Tyler Perry (he's big into flying giant scale rc planes) and also get fpv showcased by doing demos or workshop meetups.. make fpv more approachable for the outsider... alot of people I show my footage to say the same thing..." that looks way too hard to do" they don't realize you don't have to be doing juicy flicks a foot off the ground to enjoy yourself because all they really ever see is freestyle or insane cinematic long rage stuff... and multi gp looks gnarly and I timidating

@Kmart_FPV

12 күн бұрын

That would be a hard sell to FlyTribe, lol.

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

​@@Kmart_FPV gotta be hard enough to break even, it's not like the other paper magazines that are full of paid ads from cover to cover..most of the "ads" in Fly Tribe are gratis, for the community. They need all our support because you're right, we need embassadors

Sucks period. But this was bound to happen soon as they started using our drones in Ukraine.

I read the description, but still... the use of FPV drones as a weapon was pioneered by Ukraine ("signum" unit). Ukrainians are waging defensive war against agressive dictatorial country and they had to innovate and militarize civilian tech because they lacked the proper convenient military support from their western allies. Strike FPVs today is the major reason Ukraine still holds. Now russia already produces hundreds of thousands of strike FPVs. Other dictatorships like china and iran will 100% follow shortly, no matter if you want it or not. And they will use their advantage to attack their democratic ideological opponents just because they see the opportunity - no matter if you want it or not. And the day some russian/chinese/iranian drone will strike your car or your home, I'm pretty sure you'd beg there were more companies like Rotor Riot and others working with strike drones and defence from them. It's important to stop being naive!

Yeah, it's killing the fpv hobby reputation. *everyone is doing it* concerning manufacturors shows bad morals. Such a lame excuse. Just be honest and admit money is sweet and rather take the money than protect the hobby. Yeah, you cant stop fpv in war. But promoting it, calls for more Karens and restrictions

skip the music next time

noone's talking about how getfpv recently acquired rotorriot's IP, as well. are we going to boycott getfpv too? where does the line stop?

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

I haven’t heard about that acquisition yet. As far as where the line is, I think that’s for each of us to decide. The “slippery slope argument” is weak.

@Juicy-J-FPV

13 күн бұрын

@@Kmart_FPV the company that bought get fpv bought race day quads I haven’t heard anything about rotor riot.

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

@@Juicy-J-FPV this was my understanding too.

you should look into every other big fpv store there is before you commit to not supporting stores that are providing to the military because you wont have anywhere to buy gear. And if there is one or two give it a bit. Theyll jump on the wagon. Guns have been in war for how long? But i still have mine. And im not saying i dont hate it, i do. But im not going to quit flying because of it and thats what it would take to keep from supporting any one involved in this.

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

That’s a fair point. But it’s not about providing to the military, it’s about classifying FPV drones as weapons that’s sticking with me.

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

Fvck those big stores if they're gonna sell out our community to the military...there's plenty of small shops who aren't corpo douchbags

Don't forget to unsubscribe

@robert_g_fbg

11 күн бұрын

from RR, not this channel 😉

@Kmart_FPV

11 күн бұрын

@robert_g_fbg thanks for that! 😆

It’s not about the pilots we know from ‘ol RotorRiot. Hold judgment until we see who stays with the new military co., and who goes their own way.

Sounds like a sx toy shop! 🤣🤣🤣😅

Yall do know that the batteries you use in this hobby and everywhere is minned using child / slave labor, where is the call to action on that or do we not care because they don't look like us?

Just ordered my first FPV... was seeing some of these "controversy" videos recommended to me as I did research on what to get. Now that I know this is the "controversy" I'm just laughing and very glad I DID buy from rotor riot.

I really wondered what problem you saw in this. I watched a lot of videos with reasoning and I also have something to say about this. I'm saying that you should start boycotting Rotor Riot if they start selling these drones to the Russians. But if they donate them to Ukraine or sell them at a reasonable price to the Ukrainian defense forces, then that’s great. And you should be proud and support this company. Unfortunately, now Ukrainians have to buy drones from China, for example from the company dji. But you know what the problem is, this company sells drones to Russians too. Of course, not officially, but we all know how it works. That is, they really make a business out of war and death. We, ordinary people who help the army, generally buy components on Aliexpress to build our military 7", 9" drones, because this is the only way to protect ourselves in the current circumstances. America has always considered itself an example for the whole world, the righteous... So now is the time to show its righteousness and choose a side. If this company is preparing a legal, official way to help Ukraine, then that’s great.

@jp-3dairgunworks152

8 күн бұрын

RR buys their components from communist China. Then sells to the US gov. So they are literally supporting both sides of the conflict via China also sending weapons to Russia. If you really believe in the Ukraine war, then you need to leave the hobby and get EU to stop funding it through purchasing oil from Russia

A system is what it does... this is Capitalism. We live within one of many rivalrous war economies that nuked 226,000 civilians, firebombed entire cities and jungles, conducted torturous and deadly medical experiments on persecuted ethnic groups they abducted into extermination camps, and literally genocided away entire creeds that no longer exist with machetes and hammers. As Americans, we live on land that was stolen by killing 55,000,000 natives, to build foundational wealth with slave labor that continues to this day in privately-owned, for-profit prisons across this pirate ship we call a country. You know I could go on and on, and because of that we all seem to think these tragedies provide perfect justification and endless whataboutism for any and all conceivable atrocities we could ever hope to profit from ourselves. If you want to know what Capitalism really is, reason backwards from any conception of it's horrifying ending, to this very moment, and realize that every decision possible within such a confining system is what will ensure the inevitability that it will end horrifically. We're on rails from here on out, there's no getting off, no brakes... there is only pointless acceleration. If you even start to regard one of many "no-no" words as a positive, such as "pro-social", "utopia" or "sustainable"... your own indoctrination will turn you against yourself, and give you bad feelings when you even think them, let alone say them aloud. The only ones that are promoted upward are people that further our faithful goals of self destruction in embracing this incomplete mind virus as the, best and only possible option. This explains all these people, who they are and what they do... on rails, until the end, without a second thought about any of it.

Better start boycotting cell phone companies, fast food, starbucks and a shit load of other companies that are overseas and in the warzones with the troops. Where do we draw the line on what companies can and cannot boycotted?

@jp-3dairgunworks152

8 күн бұрын

Is McDonalds sending poisoned food to war zones?

How do we get people to see the peaceful side of FPV? Start talking about that and STOP talking about them used for war. 99% of non FPV pilots have no clue about this, but the more you guys keep making content on it and the more you guys keep putting it out there the more non FPV people are gonna see it. Also, RR is doing nothing differe t then Iflight and many other FPV companies. What radio do you think they are using? RR is literally selling the same drone we fly to the military. They are not redesigning them, they are not equipping them with "things" . Do you or anyone you know drive a JEEP? How about a hummer? Everyone is acting like RR is doing bad things. I get it, I don't like war.... I don't want people getting hurt, but we're not gonna change that or how it's done. You know FPV has been in the military way before we got it. Strapping things to FPV helis, plains and even RC cars is nothing new, but because Rotor Riot did it everyone wants to hate on it. Why? Cause it's cool to fallow the sheep and hate in RR. You do what you feel is best but I wish everyone would stop talking about it and just go back to flying. We ain't changing nothing...... not when it comes to war

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

I agree with this 100%. But if this serves only to start a conversation, it will have been worth the post. I do believe that Unusual Machines is doing something different than iFlight and everyone else, they're marketing drones as weapons and that's not good for the hobby. War will win, I agree.

@Fly_High_FPV

12 күн бұрын

You've got blinders on if you think 99% of non-pilots haven't seen a drone with a grenade on it. Now Redcat is making commercials with them 💥

Let’s start American FPV drone company ..and concentrate on consumer recreational 100% …we all could take roles…I can write flight control firmware …you could test the drones and do KZread marketing and internet sales …talk to Bardwell ..he’ll be CEO …juddeye

Catalyst machine works did the same thing to ua hobbists.

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Yeah? It's a good point to make that Rotor Riot isn't alone in this, but they are getting the most hate.

You said you won’t support a company that supports the weaponization of your hobby, a couple things… A) are you planning to boycott / stop using the other fpv manufacturers selling drones / parts for military use? Dji, Iflight, Getfpv, etc etc. b) Do you have to explain to people why your car isn’t a weapon? Because cars are used in war. Look I understand your feelings, weaponized Fpv drones = no good, but the reality is almost every known Fpv company is doing the exact same thing.

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

Hey @captainvanover, I appreciate your reply. A) Short answer is that I don't know - it's something to consider. iFlight/hobbywing/DJI products were purchased by the military. That feels different than creating or marketing a drone as a weapon. It's like a video of a soldier drinking Coke. That's different than a company selling coke as a poison to kill others. In reality, I'd absolutely favor a company whose mission statement included verbiage that clearly states that none of its products are intended to be used as weapons. B) Cars are used in wars, and so is Goldbond Medicated Powder for chaffing. My car wasn't advertised as a weapon. It's the reason I drive an Accord and not a tank. Not every item is used by the military to end lives, I don't own anything that is. I appreciate that you see my point, and I understand you jumping to defend Rotor Riot in the comments of a tiny channel that really isn't on your radar - that's a character move to stand up for your squad. But just as you said, "weaponized FPV drones = no good,..." and when I look back on this in my own history I want to feel good about the stance that I took. This is what that looks like to me right now.

@Gierzu1

13 күн бұрын

Yep it is so amusing to see all Americans boycoting RR and thinking they do anything different than all major FPV brands in China. Lol do people in US really think that soldiers have nothing better to do than soldering their own 7" drones on the battlefield? Of course they have them delivered so do what you want but if you really don't want to support war than stop FPV all together. And if you think it will make any difference you're wrong it's just so much more money from military than from hobbyst, those companies are really doing the hobby a favour to still sell their products to public xD

@Kmart_FPV

13 күн бұрын

@@Gierzu1that’s a valid argument

@bennett_fpv

13 күн бұрын

Great points! My thoughts exactly. Keep up the great flying vanny!

@captainvanover

13 күн бұрын

@@Kmart_FPV those other companies may not be publicly stating that they are selling / making drones for military use but I guarantee you that they are, and not just selling off the shelf 5inch quads, but custom built stuff. What troubles me is that everyone is only coming after RR but not the other guys, even though what other companies are doing violates the morals that people are using to attack RR. Also my point what the cars is that you don’t need to worry about explaining to someone that your hobby drone isn’t a weapon the same way that you don’t have to explain to someone that your Toyota isn’t made to kill people.