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I wish they kept in the scene where Camila helps Daisy get into her hotel room after the band's last performance and convinces her to go to rehab. The book did a better job with showing that Camila still admired Daisy and wanted the best for her.

@coco604

Жыл бұрын

Totally agree. The fact that they added in a "hands off my man" kinda fight between the two when if i remember correctly there isn't one in the book also rubbed me the wrong way. I really appreciated how Camilla in the book was kind but firm about this to Daisy, almost like a big sister, essentially saying "hey, this thing with you and my husband isn't gonna happen, but you're amazing and deserve better than pining after someone who's never gonna be available and destroying yourself in the process." Sadly this didn't really come accross in the show

@ayibanna

Жыл бұрын

i think the direction they went with in the series is how daisy was the one to realize that she wanted an out. camila had influences that made her do it, but ultimately daisy was the one who made the choice. in the book, camila was technically the main catalyst.

@sherryjohnson3791

Жыл бұрын

The show was great!

@conniehemmings3170

Жыл бұрын

Agree! That was one of the things I really missed

@mike-m123

Жыл бұрын

As a child of divorce watching my mom essentially burning all bridges with my dad who cheated on her and married his affair partner, I welcomed this change. It's more realistic. Camila should be upset.

one particular change the show made that rubbed me the wrong way was the erasure of daisy’s ED. i don’t think i would’ve been as upset about it had it been removed all together, but instead they took a very important scene from the book- where billy takes daisy for burgers and realized she only eats, at most, once a day and gets stressed when faced with eating more- and turned it into a very manic pixie dream girl scene where she orders two burgers for herself and billy thinks she’s so cool because? she eats? i guess? in the book, her very apparent ED felt like cracks in her perfect persona. it showed her hidden fear and sadness not only to the audience but to billy after he notices. she states multiple times that as long as she was skinny, things would be okay. to change this scene in particular feels like they didn’t care as much about making daisy a sympathetic character, just the cooler option for billy.

@christenpotvin

Жыл бұрын

I might be wrong about this but I don't think an ED is ever really emphasized? I interpreted it as a byproduct of her drug addiction (as uppers, like cocaine, reduce appetite and she partakes constantly).

@_jojosephine

Жыл бұрын

@@christenpotvin Personally, i think it was very heavily implied. she was always cold, very thin, billy says himself she only ate once a day. she got upset when he tried to offer her more food. she says herself multiple times all she cares about is making music and staying skinny. karen mentions that when she had left the country before the aurora tour that she had lost even more weight, which was scary because she had none to lose.

@name1323

Жыл бұрын

@@christenpotvin that is still an eating disorder tho, if you develop extremely unhealthy eating patterns as a by-product of another illness such as depression or addiction it is still an eating disorder. Even if daisy didn't care about being skinny at all (which she did btw) it still would've been an eating disorder.

@ChocolatexCherries3

Жыл бұрын

​@name yes many autistic people have ARFID which IS an eating disorder but is not the "beauty obsessed" versions we are fed in media! there are ways to have an eating disorder that aren't AN or BN.

@sillygoose420

Жыл бұрын

@@christenpotvin 100% agreed, as someone with ED experience it didn’t ring The Bell for me, she was railing coke and drinking a lot and those deaden your appetite. everyone’s interpretation is valid so i don’t begrudge the original commenter at all but i also feel like the writers of the show likely had a similar interpretation to me

graham and karen’s dialogue was SO odd to me. it felt lazy at a lot of points, and the scene where graham gets mad at billy for being so self centered after karen’s abortion would’ve been SO GOOD in the show. I also agree they did not show enough of camila and billy’s chemistry in the show. he spoke so highly of her and she referenced times when they were just happy together even while daisy was a part of their lives. the show made it feel rushed, like daisy came in and screwed it up immediately and camila and billy were never really that strong which is so upsetting.

@amazingabby25

Жыл бұрын

Agreed they needed another two episodes that happened when they are on tour and famous imo

i so agree about the interviews not being involved enough!! in the book there's not just different character interpretations of each other, but also moments where they'll remember dates of a concert or dialogue completely differently. i was so ready to see those in the adaptation--like, the same scene filmed two different ways--and they didn't use it at all, which was disappointing. it's ignoring one of the main Points of The Story imo, that whole "the truth often lies unclaimed in the middle" bit. edit: lol i wrote this watching like the first three minutes and you mention all of it later haha

@ollieanabella264

Жыл бұрын

Engagement

@brynniefresh9746

Жыл бұрын

i didn’t even read the book but i would have loved to see that it would’ve made it so much more interesting

@GioGio-fq1vl

9 ай бұрын

I haven't read the book yet, but the characters having a completely different recolection of certain events is so interesting and rings SO true to how bands are in real life. Like, it's so common for former members of disbanded groups to spend the decades after debunking what the others have said in interviews, writing memoirs where the anecdotes are completely different, and so on. I really wish they would have done that in the adaptation.

my main criticism is with karens character… in the book she says she doesnt wear low cut shirts or revealing clothes because she doesn’t want to be objectified, and in the show she says the exact same thing then is seen wearing low cut shirts in literally every single episode after. it made NO sense, it was a big part of karens character in the book

@chappellgroan

Жыл бұрын

Apparently they planned on following the book and making her full tomboy but Suki asked them to glam it up.

@brianawilder2770

Жыл бұрын

@@chappellgroan that bothers me so much. I was full on excepting a choppy Patti smith or Joan Jett haircut not a Dyson blowout or form fitting sheer clothes

@amazingabby25

Жыл бұрын

@@chappellgroan yea, unlike normal costume designer and actor relationships…..she was extremely extreme heavy handed!!!!, probably because she has fashion line😊

@miatownsend6088

Жыл бұрын

i didnt like how they made her always have the moral high ground it was interesting how she didnt want to be defined by her femininity while in the six but is seen (lowkey?) judging daisy for what she wears and i just felt that added to her complexity. That wasnt really on the show. she was always supportive to daisy and perfectly feminist. maybe i interpreted book karen wrong(?) tho so idk

@TSD0416

Жыл бұрын

@Noname I also read it in an article that it was Suki who changed Karen’s look and asked hair and makeup artists to glam her up. She also asked the wardrobe team for glamorous clothing. In the same article I read that the idea behind her look is a combination of Brigitte Bardot and Debbie Harry not Joan Jett.

My impression of Chuck in the book was that by him dying it motivates the band to stick together. Like in the show it feels like there’s no reason or push for them to stay together but some how in the book it felt like chuck was like a looming reminder of where they’ve come from and why they should keep going

One thing I think the book did better was portray Daisy and Karen's camaraderie in the band as two women in a male-dominated space. It's sort of touched on in the series but not quite.

@violetlavi2207

Жыл бұрын

the series sorta shifts it to Camilla and Karen

for those interested in reading the book, I highly recommend the audiobook - it's a full cast, and everyone feels like they are ACTING and not just reading through the transcripts. I honestly don't think I would've enjoyed the book as much as I did if I just read it with my eyes.

In the book I read Pete as a foil of Billy, he as actually dedicated to his girlfriend/family and willing to prioritize them. He was supportive of his brother when he was struggling where Billy was not. I don't think it was fully fleshed out, but this is how I read it. Didn't miss him in the show though, it's hard to balance that many characters on screen.

@seancampion319

Жыл бұрын

I definitely feel like this is what she was going for but it wasn't fleshed out at all lol

I hated the ending. It’s the same ending as How I Met Your Mother and I hated it then. The whole “go get the woman you actually lived all along dad!” Is so weird to me.

@alexdavis360

Жыл бұрын

its so annoying

@deeplyshalllow8967

Жыл бұрын

I haven't seen the show yet, but as someone who was so into the himym fandom and was so angry after the trash ending, my reaction to the ending of DJat6 book was actually "this is himym's ending done right" I felt the book portrayed two different but valid loves for Billy (neither of which were better than the other) and a great deal of respect and understanding from all sides of the love triangle as they deal with the cards fate has played them. Contrast this to himym where they did not treat Tracy and Robin the same and changed the entire tone of the story to fit his excuse happy ending which any writers with a base understanding of the characters would know would make no one happy anyway.

@piya6929

Жыл бұрын

i hate that kind of ending too...makes it feel like the wife was only a hindrance in their great love story...like she was a conflict that needed to be overcome...like she just needed to move out of the way and the main charecters can be together and happy ever after

i particularly disliked how they handled camila and billy's relationship in the show, making it seem like billy is with her out of obligation. they get married when she gets pregnant, not because billy actually proposes because he simply wants to marry her. while i'm not a fan of their relationship (or billy in general lmao) in the book you can tell they truly love each other and i feel that billy's love for camila and their children is his redeeming quality, because otherwhise he's a selfish jerk. also hate that in the show we do see billy and daisy reunite, i feel like it's better in the book that we don't really know if he calls her or not. all this said, i've read a bunch of tjr's books and dj&ts is the one i like the least, my favourites are the seven husbands of evelyn hugo and malibu rising!

@piya6929

Жыл бұрын

also their meet cute...i liked Billy and Camilla's meeting at the wedding more... amd i really didn't like how they cut off the proposal part...it really made ut seem like Camilla was an inconvenience which was in the way of their happy ending

They ruined Karen’s character. First they made her British to hide Suki’s poor American accent (a la Don’t Worry Darling) and then glammed her up per Suki’s request. It also didn’t help that Suki was the weakest actor of the bunch. I was so disappointed.

@mollie.28.15

Жыл бұрын

they reallly had me questioning myself and my memory over her accent. This is one of my fave books of all time but i haven't read it in a few years so thought 'omg is my memory of karen, one of my favourite characters in the book, so bad because i don't remember her being british'. i almost felt like i was a fake fan so thanks for clearing it up for me!

@Daythinking

Жыл бұрын

god suki was fucking terrible. thought i was the only one who thought this

@anna-ie5lk

Жыл бұрын

Oh my god, she was so bad that i thought she had on a fake english accent! It reminded me of harden’s accent in after, with both of these actors i had to google where they were from and was in disbelief that it was england

@dw89music73

Жыл бұрын

I didn't mind Karen being changed to British, because Daisy Jones & The Six is inspired by Fleetwood Mac and Karen is supposed to be like Christine McVie, who was British herself.

@Thecuriousincident1

Жыл бұрын

Also her hair wasn't 70s at all.

Somehow I avoided knowing Daisy Jones was a series and a book until after I had found the album on my Spotify explore and fell in love. I thought it was a legit band, then got on TikTok and realized it’s a show. Watching the show after learning all the songs I was so excited it was like a concert.

@zynpkrdg

Жыл бұрын

wow that's so cool!

@roisinbb

11 ай бұрын

omg i was exactly the same!! then i read the book and watched the show. the album is so incredible, my fleetwood mac obsessed heart adores it !!

one of my favorite movies is I, Tonya in part because of just how well they utilize the interview format, they explain things and give different statements about what happened, but then will also show those situations, obviously they're different and I, Tonya is a black comedy so it plays up those elements but it definitely feels like a missed opportunity to do something like that with daisy jones

Totally agree with the lack of unreliable narrators, personally that was my favorite part of the book. I re-watched the Interview With The Vampire show after I finished Daisy Jones and I kept getting mad about how easily that show integrated the idea of an unreliable narrator into the show to create suspense and intrigue, and I feel like Daisy Jones could've gone from okay-ish to amazing if they had leaned into that aspect. Great video!

@berlineczka

10 күн бұрын

I, Tonya does unreliable narration extremely well too.

I felt like they ruined Billy sobriety and everything he had been working towards after rehab; in the book he never cheated on Camila again after he got out AND Billy and Daisy never kiss, Daisy is the one to lean in but Billy shuts it down. but then in the show they have Billy kiss her over a song... And after Teddy dies they have him get drunk and high but in the book he only takes a sip or 2 of alcohol I'm pretty sure. I also didn't like how they changed the ending performance, because to me the book's final performance was incredibly emotional yet powerful but the ending of the tv show isn't and when the show started it almost seemed like there was bad blood between Billy and Daisy from the way he spoke about her. I also don't love how they tweaked Camila's relationship with Billy. I feel like in the book she was more of a force to be reckoned with, she wasn't telling Billy if he falls in love with Daisy it's over or having a scream conversation with Daisy about Billy always choosing Camila over her. Camila just felt more assured of herself in the book to me.

@jessicabowers4811

Жыл бұрын

Preach sis!

@renata374

Жыл бұрын

i mean, we are not really sure if they kissed or not. its your interpretation so thats what you believe and thats fine but no matter if you believe that he didnt tjr purposefully let that be up to interpretation so there is a possibility

@piya6929

Жыл бұрын

​@@renata374what do you mean...billy doesn't kiss Daisy in the book...mit's not upto 'interpretation'...it's simply not there...or did you mean the ending like you think it's upto interpretation if he kisses her after the interview/Camilla's death?...cause in the book he definitely does not cheat on Camilla after his rehab trip...after her death yeah maybe but that's not what the original commenter is talking about

@renata374

Жыл бұрын

@@piya6929 its up to interpretation because they are telling the story and the books makes it clear they could be lying or nor remembering correctly and billy and daisy's story that day does not match 100%

i definitely agree that the unreliable narrator was utilized better in the novel, and to me really serves to let the reader understand the perspectives of each member of, not only the band, but the love triangle better. the show had the opportunity to do narration in a non-cringey and canonical way (documentaries LOVE narration), which could have let the viewer really immerse themselves in the minds of the characters on screen outside of the acting. one example that comes to mind would have been during the feelings of daisy and billy during the first song writing session. i felt like daisy-in-real-time saying how obviously she admired billy was out of character bc daisy knows firsthand how bad men can get when she validates them like that. but having her say it in retrospect would allow the feelings to be clear while remaining in-character. agreed a lot with what you said, esp about the karen-graham relationship reveal scene which was SO awkwardly worded good lord. great video as always!

What I like about the book and hate about the series is that it doesn't leave the spaces gray. As in the book, it is the opinion of all band members about certain events and controversial, implying that they may be lying or omitting facts. The 70's for a rock band was messy, vicious and noxious but very glamorous and heady that doesn't show in the series. It was very clean and positive for me, and reading the book it was more raw and sometimes even pessimistic. I expected a report of the decade closer to what they did with Mad Men or even the incredible Almost Famous.

forever a billy "i put the moon in the moon" dunne hater to my chest, every single person in the show and book deserved better than anything he gave them

@seancampion319

Жыл бұрын

I was able to overlook most of his shit until how he treated Graham after Karen's abortion. That was definitely the straw that broke the camel's back

i agreed with almost everything you said! i do think that the show did do a disservice by reuniting billy and daisy at the end, but as well as not allowing karen and eddie to be too successful in their careers, at least not more than billy. it seemed to undercut the theme of billy having to curb his need for control as a recovering addict who for obvious reasons struggles with this. i think the book better showed how camila, daisy, and karen were all very driven by their own decisions and autonomy, that billy, as much as he would like to, cannot control the actions of the people around him

exactly the insight i was looking for! i enjoyed the book and DNF the show and your analysis is always good at explaining my feelings when I can't so thank you, Julia!

12:41 why did you genuinely Ratatouille style send me back to my 13 year old self singing this Julia please it HURT

I think the change to Chuck's backstory is horseshit. The music movement The Six were in is inextricably tied to the anti-war movement. Taking out that piece of history does a disservice to the work.

As someone who has studied the 60s, 70s and 80s extensively, there are many problems with this show. The wardrobe choices seem more like costumes than clothes that people actually wore at the time. The atmosphere feels almost like a KZread video with a filter on it to emulate the 70s. The band itself was a lazy copycat Fleetwood Mac, sans everything that made Fleetwood Mac as iconic as they are. Overall it's an otiose attempt at imitating one of the most colourful and exciting periods of history that makes the era itself seem dull and indolent. If you're looking for a show that does the scene-setting of years passed well, I'd suggest The Marvelous Mrs Maisel. It's set in the 50s and 60s, but it does a.. well- marvelous- job capturing the spirit of the time. Interestingly, they were both made by Amazon, but for whatever reason, if I may quote the Muppets, one of these things is not like the other.

@brokencandy1797

Жыл бұрын

The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel is set in the 50s and early 60s.

@JohnnyCredit

Жыл бұрын

@@brokencandy1797 yes, and?

@brokencandy1797

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyCredit And not in the 40s.

@JohnnyCredit

Жыл бұрын

@@brokencandy1797 I get your point, but it seems rather trivial to point out?

@brokencandy1797

Жыл бұрын

@@JohnnyCredit Well, if it was set in the 40s the clothing and hair would not be historically accurate. That is all.

i’m glad there’s someone else other than my sister who drew the HIMYM parallel. i’m on neither team and think that both couples work in different ways, it’s push and pull and i see it in a twin flame vs soulmates situation. they’re too different to be comparable. daisy and billy clash because they are similar and see each other for who they are, but billy and camilla decide to choose each other, even if billy is cruel in how slow on the uptake he is about it. i think it would’ve been far better to leave it being an open ended “what if” for billy and daisy, the way those relationships often are. if we were going to progress past the interviews, i would much rather have had a scene with camilla and daisy making amends with each other. daisy made the band famous, but she almost destroyed a marriage and herself in the process, and a debrief with camilla and julia would’ve been cathartic. anyway that’s my take, as someone who hasn’t read the book but definitely plans to

@taylorgayhart9497

Жыл бұрын

I HATED the ending and compared it to HIMYM too! Lol I just can’t stand the whole “go get the woman you really loved all along” bullshit. Like how is that cute?

@alexandrafrench

Жыл бұрын

@@taylorgayhart9497 right?! i’m personally a sucker for a plot ending with the whole “ah we almost had that. but we’re better off that we didn’t get it” kinda vibe. it would’ve been so easy to give us a satisfying conclusion that way. how i met your mother got it so right UNTIL the last four minutes. (and the robin/barney split was so uncalled for)

@alexdavis360

Жыл бұрын

I realized as I was watching and was like this is literally the ending of HIMYM how predictable and was so annoyed.

@chaaaargh

Жыл бұрын

@@taylorgayhart9497 honestly made me roll my eyes lol

@lenusniq_9746

Жыл бұрын

You should really read the book. There was basically no clashing over Billy in the traditional sense from the Camilla's side in the book. I think that the book Camilla is one of the most interesting female characters. And book Karen is so so good as well.

Personally I stand by disliking Daisy, I thought she was depicted as a kind of manic pixie and she did not have as much depth as I felt she should have. I think it’s a fault of the writing but I just could not bring myself to feel sympathy for any of her struggles (especially with the way she treats Simone).

@allisonchainz82

10 ай бұрын

I couldn't wrap my head around how comfortable she seemed with trying to steal Billy from Camilla, he had a baby with Camilla it would've ruined their family, and Daisy didn't seem to care. I found her so unlikable in the show.

YOUR HAIR LOOKS FANTASTIC okay now onto the video lol Thanks for making this; I loved the book, enjoy the author, and have not yet seen the show so this is perfect for me

you should definitely check out the final revival of opal and nev! it's similar in set up (oral history about the rise and fall of a famous classic rock band) but the author's experience as a historian lends the story a lot more depth and it's definitely more aware of and willing to engage with the politics of the era than daisy jones was

@booksvsmovies

Жыл бұрын

That twist in Opal and Nev still gets me riled up to this day! I've never been as angry at a fictional character as I was at Nev Charles.

@thepriceisright048

Жыл бұрын

Adding to my tbr

@ember53608

Жыл бұрын

@@booksvsmovies right! and i love love love how it was handled in the aftermath of the big reveal about his hand in things. i don't want to give spoilers here for the sake of other people enjoying obv but i've never been simultaneously more surprised and thrilled with a narrative choice the way i was here. truly phenomenal book

another himym comparison could be drawn from the ted-robin-barney and daisy-billy-camilla love triangles. Ted and Robin share a very deep connection and love for each other, which is what pushes them to always fight for their relationship even though odds are against them, just like Billy and Camilla. Meanwhile Robin and Barney are two dysfuctional and very similar people (like daisy and billy) and its their similarity that helps them understand each other better and last longer than ted and robin. I would say the main difference between the two lies on Billy genuinely wanting to become the man that -he thinks- Camilla deserves, while Robin isn't willing to change her dreams to be with Ted even though she loves him. Maybe this is a bit of a strech considering Billy's internal conflict wasn't just about choosing to be there for his family or follow his career, but had also a lot to do with his addiction, but I think the similarities are enough to draw the comparison

The River is SO good I have it constantly on repeat

I stood up from my seat and gasped when I saw the notification! Julia you will always be famous🫶🏾🥺

wonderful video as always!! and completely agree with ur take on chuck- couldnt understand why everyone was devastated that it wasn't in the show when it was barely in the book.

I did enjoy Chuck’s character use in the book, even though it was brief. I understand why they may not have wanted to draw on the war themes (*ahem*) but I feel like his death helped drive home how lucky the band was. It’s drawn on more in the book Billy’s guilt over not working his life away at the mill or being drafted and dying like the guys he grew up with. It also makes Eddie’s unhappiness in the band feel even more privileged. And the idea that people can have everything they ever hoped for and still wind up angry and unfulfilled. Also just liked how Chuck was described as this clean cut guy, but then is more into the rockstar lifestyle. I thought it gave a glimpse into an interesting dynamic with how the other members talked about him. Maybe I read too much into it but I feel like more could have been done with him even in the book. There is a fondness with which they talk about Chuck (which makes sense given his death obviously) but also shows that golden period of when the band was just starting out. I guess all of this suffers from how compact that initial start of the band is in both the book and show.

i actually hadn't heard of daisy jones and the six before i watched the show and am now listening to the audio book because your video was so interesting! so thanks!

you are always so wonderful at this

i haven seen a single comment about eddie. i hated show eddie (not for being a fusion of book pete and eddie but) because he just seemed like a jerk. I thought it was much more subtle in the book how eddie just took billy’s orders and started to get tired. he never stoke me as spotlight hungry, just someone who wanted his thoughts heard by his own bandmates. he was supposed to showcase how painful billys controlling persona could get to others, not (kinda?) reinforce how talented billy is and how no one can reach his level (by having eddie be an unsuccessful musician at the end)

So excited about this

Never read the book and I loved this show. I was so invested in all the characters by the end!!

I thank you in Australia, you uploaded for my lunch time viewing 😊

Wake up babe, Julia just uploaded

Possibly Unpopular Opinion: I couldn't get into Evelyn Hugo, but I really enjoyed Carrie Soto (which was my first TJK book, followed by Daisy). But I'm still excited to watch the upcoming Evelyn Hugo adaptation!

@ernstfall8478

Жыл бұрын

Omg same!! Like i thought i would LOVE evelyn hugo but only liked it but didnt feel for them so i wouldnt want to read daisy jones but i watched the show cried which i dont usually do then read the book and cried ageain?

I would definitely be interested in hearing your review of Evelyn Hugo; I read it a few years ago and while I enjoyed parts of it I had a few gripes I never see anyone mention, namely that I found the characters kind of one dimensional. It’s not a spoiler to say it’s framed around an interview of an elderly woman, and she feels sometimes like a mouthpiece for the writer in a kind of on-the-nose “I’m going to make a point” way. The character defects were more tell than show which made them less nuanced, and the voices didn’t feel distinct and realistic enough for me. That said I might be misremembering slightly and would be curious to hear your thoughts! So glad I rediscovered your videos with this one. :)

@emilys1447

Жыл бұрын

This is exactly what I thought reading Evelyn Hugo too!

hi Julia nice to see you!!

@juliacudney

Жыл бұрын

hiii

I bearly begun watching this video, but I just have to tell you that I looove your hair here ♡

haven't watched the show yet but i finished the book yesterday and now i know i'm getting into with the show! i do wish they kept pete though. he kind of provided a middle ground at the end by just moving on with his life like nothing happened but everyone else was greatly affected. and i didn't understand the book ending until you explained the show ending so thanks lmao also definitely read evelyn hugo next!!! for me, daisy jones & the six didn't completely live up to its hype but evelyn hugo went above and beyond. the themes, the plot, the character growth, the TWISTS!!! it's all fantastic and that reminded me that i think the twist in dj&ts is dumb and i didn't understand it being treated as a twist when it meant nothing to me. if someone could explain that would be great

Thank you Julia

I didn't read the book but I thought the show was fine. It got me invested week to week. My biggest gripe as a Greek is that during the Greece episode they played italain and french songs? Could they not have found one Greek song??

i loved the show up until the ending, like it just revealed so many problems with it all for me. like i feel like it was just too short snd they tried to do too much with what little time they were given. daisy hardly interacts with the members of the band outside of billy so she always ends up feeling like an outsider especially after she marries that dude whose name i don't remember. that would be fine if that's what they were going for but at the end when she's talking about how much she's gonna miss them and its like bitch do you even know eddie's name? they did a really good job at building tension in the last episode and you can feel it all going to shit but like its hard to feel any real sense of loss there bc they never feel like a cohesive group. and when i say cohesive i don't mean they all need to get along bc obvi the show is about the drama and mess but the drama and mess can only happen if they care about each other and like i think they could have very easily left warren behind at hotel and not noticed at one point. and I'm with you, I'm a fan of a love triangle but you gotta do them justice and i feel like the love triangle was a big problem for the writers. they had to dedicate so much time to it to the detriment of building a solid general band relationship as mentioned but like also they didn't really have enough time to do either camilla/billy or daisy/billy any justice. i really liked the start of billy and camillas relationship, i understood why they were together and saw that they loved each other but after his bender i fucking hated him and wanted to see how they were gonna rebuild their relationship and after that point it never felt like he loved her as a person but only as the mother of his child. they then dedicate so much time to daisy and billys relationship and yes he loves her bc she's messy but also there's like a passion there and you hardly see him with camilla anymore and when you do its with julia or their fighting about their marriage. yes they give camilla more agency by getting with eddie but they still just did the whole like nag wife vs the sexy passionate affair which is still just fucking lazy unless you end it well. they tried to subvert it by having him choose camilla but it falls flat particularly with the backdrop of his trouble with addiction. it feels like billy chooses camilla bc shes the safe option and its the right thing to do. it was so fucking insulting that they thought they'd earned the "its always been camilla" moment when like the past 5 episodes have been dedicated to daisy and billy with camilla in the background watching her husband slip away. and then they fucking kill her so daisy and bill can be together, fucking great. and its also insulting as fuck to daisy. like yeah she gets to be the exciting option but its clear the thing they were going for is the only billy that would choose her over camilla is a billy that's destructive to both daisy and himself. she only gets billy dunn at his worst or if his wife is dead, fucking great. like i had started to warm back up to billy after the whole cheating and bender thing but that ending had me out for his blood. god that was long, no one will read this, i just have had feelings about this show for a while and nowhere to out them and its a shame bc i actually really liked it, i just wish it were better.

@lenapenrhyn2173

Жыл бұрын

haha no you're completely right!!!

12:30 OMG I remember Perfect Two 😂😂 I had Auburn’s debut album growing up too

I WAS THE 7TH LIKE!!! Also I need a video of Julia ranking fictional love triangles! I think it'd be a blast. Also Also, show and book sound like a good time and thanks for another great video!

Girl you turned on my Alexa when you did that ad 🤣

I think how they handled the love triangle was good cause he shouldn’t have been with Daisy it wouldn’t have been good at all…I do see how the Daisy and Billy reconnecting is kinda dumb tho…like I think it’s stupid Camilla wouldn’t tell her HUSBAND this instead she has her daughter film her saying it just to show him after she’s dead like that logic is weird

I could NOT get behind the marketing around the show. The music on Spotify, the merch...it was just puuuushed, which turns me off.

Kinda unrelated but your hair is so cute here! ❤️

i haven't read the book yet bc i read evelyn hugo before, and i liked it a lot, but it was hyped so much on tiktok i was like ok it wasn't THAT good, so now I'm afraid all the books in her famous four series are overhyped lmao

@rcollins1061

Жыл бұрын

omg no u should totally read it. i mean people are into different stuff but its one of my favourite books because of the unique characters! i also think taylor’s writing isn’t showing off her talent as much in the 7 husbands because it’s first person, (i can’t recall right now but daisy jones might be too but the documentary style format is done really well)and the world building isnt as strong as it is for this one. i totally recommend it :) it might not be your favourite book ever but i personally like it way more than 7 husbands because it’s a lot more unique and goes really deep with the themes of love, devotion, addiction, etc. i always recommend it to people.

@miatownsend6088

Жыл бұрын

as someone who liked evelyn hugo like an 8.5/10 i liked daisy jones like a 9.5/10 for reference :) I also really like sally rooney if that reference helps at all.

I really liked the book. I didn’t finish the show but I still think it had its bright spots. Loved your points on the interviews and the younger actors. I didn't love Camila's character from the little bit I’ve seen. Something about the way she fights for her family really made me love her character. (It might be present in the show too lol I’m not sure) Another thing is I read the TJR quartet books by order of release and I did like Malibu Rising the second best but if you’d like a fuller read it’s probably better to read Evelyn Hugo to build the world and have a more in depth experience

@GA_131

Жыл бұрын

Also omg the perfect two was FELT

When I read the ending (or actually heard it because I listened to the audiobook, so there is that discussion again) I was immediately reminded of himym as well, I was soo disappointed!! What a bad ending to an otherwise great book. It made me really scared for the ending of the seven husbands of Evelyn Hugo, but I loved that ending, so yay :)

I'd never heard of daisy jones and the six before youtube recommended me this video, and my first guess for what it was (based on nothing but the title) is a true crime documentary lol

I didn’t see the ending as Camilla telling Billy to go BE WITH Daisy, I thought she wanted them to get the band back together. She knew Billy was his greatest creative self when he was writing with Daisy and she wanted him to get that back. I do think if they do a season 2 they will get together romantically at least for a little bit. But the main thing was making music together.

@brokencandy1797

Жыл бұрын

I didn't interpret it either way. I interpreted it as urging him to go and talk to her, make amends and be at peace with their past. In the book, anyway.

I love TJR, but I think Evelyn Hugo got super overhyped and ultimately oversold by BookTok (which is overall pretty cringe despite sometimes having some good recs). My favorite TJR book is Malibu Rising, but I think it's the least adaptable. Carrie Soto is easily the worst of the 4 though

@CanelaAguila

Жыл бұрын

I loved the Evelyn Hugo parts of that book and absolutely hated he framing devices. I don't remember her name, but the interviewer was so uninteresting and weirdly bad at her job

@demitwice

Жыл бұрын

i kinda agree. i like evelyn hugo but it's my least favorite one. my favorite one is also malibu rising, it is SO good. but i liked carrie soto a lot, it's 2nd place for me

@Joka191095

Жыл бұрын

@@Chibbykins compared to the other three, I felt the story was not "worthy of telling" in a way. I thought it was predictable and her character was annoying (I know it's on purpose but it was too much for me)

@Joka191095

Жыл бұрын

@@demitwice I live EH a lot but I much prefer the next 2. Maybe it's because film is my absolute passion and I didn't feel it was explored enough in EH. Also I thought Celia was unbearable by the end

Finally someone else who doesnt like the ending! It just felt so weird to me and the time jump only exasperates my issies with it.

when I was reading the book (I abandoned the show at barely episode 2, I was hating Billy so much more than how I hated him in the book, I really could not continue) at first I was thinkng "why do people make team Camila or team Daisy in relation to Billy when it should be him, alone, forever" (that's how much I hate him) because I though that both deserved better........ In the end I was completely team Camila (not with Billy, just her, she truly deserved better than him and what he made her go through) because Daisy and Billy are both extremely annoying and obnoxious they would deserve each other but for the wrong reasons. It's safe to say, this was not my favorite book I've read by far 😂

You might want to read One True Loves next since the movie is coming out soon.

I would have loved if daisy was younger than Camilla like in the books bc I think it would have added a lot of dimension

my biggest gripe with the show i think, dealt mostly with characters linking to camilla. eddie's crush on her i hated, her hooking up with him instead of a spanish (i believe?? i can't remember exactly) man which felt a lot more impactful to who she was (he wasn't a rockstar, and he was the stable domestic life she could've had, had she broken up with billy when he and the band left), and daisy's and billy's relationship being unambiguous, and expecitly sexual at that. maybe i missed something in the book, but i always interpreted the 'did they didn't they?' as they committed emotional adultery with maybe one heat of the moment kiss, rather than a physical adultery. camila was way more annoying and less strong in the tv show i found; in fact, all the characters felt like characatures of themselves -which is kind of ironic that the show feels like a biopic, where that almost always happens.

i love camila but i do think that she’s much more complex than what we’ve seen in the show she’s not just the loving and devoted wife she can be bossy and manipulative it’s clear that one of the reasons for which she decides to stay with billy through all the cheating is that she sees his talent, she knows he’s going to be a star, and she wants that kind of life, that kind of family why does she ask daisy to leave the band and go to rehab after their last concert? was she really worried about daisy, or did she just want to get rid of a rival? is it a coincidence that we never hear her version of what happened that night? is that why she wrote that final email to her daughters, because she felt guilty that she didn’t allow daisy and billy to have their shot?

PLEASE also read One True Loves - controversial take but I think it's my favorite Taylor Jenkins Reid book (especially as a fellow defender of love triangles)!!

Evelyn Hugo MUST be next !!!

i enjoyed the show over all. the music is great. but i definitly did not feel the same way about characters in the show as i did with their original versions. show didn't explore karen and graham relationship almost at all. and i hated how much focus was on billy and daisy. in the book it was obvious that billy loved camila and was fighting with his feeling for daisy for the family. in the show however camila is showned to be more of a second best thing. really glad they decided not to have camila and billy have two more children bc it would've been an awful decision with how they decided to portray this love triangle. the lack of the unreliable narator was also upsetting since it's such a big part of the book i know they are considering making season 2 now and i'm not sure i want that to happen

Disclaimer: I didn't watch the show. I agree with you - Camilla and Karen were also my most favourite characters. And I loved their friendship in the book. I have a conspiracy theory that Camilla wasn't so sweet and it's supported by the fact that Karen said something similar when she shared the "innocent" story of Camilla preparing them a breakfast. Maybe that's why I (uncharacteristically for me) prefer the "mommy character" to "femme fatale character". And there it goes - I didn't really like Daisy. NOT because of the love triangle thing but b/c how entitled she seemed and how badly she treated Simone.... Also Karen and Graham relationship seemed more interesting that Billy and Daisy... but that's just my take. I love how Karen said that maybe if the marriage was more egalitarian in the 70s (as it is now), things could have ended differently. Also Camilla playing matchmaker at the end was too much....

I also thought of How I Met Your Mother with regards to the ending! It’s clearly an attempt to have it “both ways,” but it left a bad taste in my mouth. I prefer your idea of ending the story before the Julia reveal.

You are sooo right though, it IS a tall order to ask for a chart topping album written specifically for this show but like.... rumours would eat aurora whole and then play its ribs like a xylophone. so many songs are repetitive and forgettable and frankly, toothless. the show goes "waaa it's a number one album/single/song" etc and I kept going uhhh where. why. how 😂 also same with riley keough and her acting - so many scenes fell flat for me bc of her. at some point the show was all "the crowd goes wild every time daisy moves", I mean... why though. I'd find it much more believable if simone was the one getting mega famous, nabiyah be has a MUCH stronger energy and stage presence.

Well, I knew something bothered me about the ending (both book and tv show) but until you just said "How I met your mother", I hadn't connected those two. And you're totally right fyi. HIMYM is one of my favorite TV sitcoms of all time and I own it all on DVD, however; I've only watched the original end when it was broadcast. When I bought the DVDs it came with an alternative ending which is the only one I've re-watched for the past decade. By the time I read "Daisy Jones and the six" for the first time in 2019, I'd deleted that HIMYM original end from my brain cells 😂 Now, the show adaptation is vanilla in my opinion, I was expecting Amazon -since they produce "The Boys" - to greenlight a more adult content version of the book, one that really screamed "Sex, drugs and rock and roll" but this wasn't it for me. A wasted opportunity 🙄

lol yes. way too devoted and forgiving. i like camilla as a person, but her husband was a serial cheater. and i guess she cheated too. they were both wrong and shouldve gotten a divorce

Omg yess the ending, it also reminded me of HIMYM and that made me dislike it even more. Like you said them being as an obstacle to overcome etc. That just pissed me off!!!!

Not to be that person but I think I’m the first person here? Hi!!!

@leilaniz5909

Жыл бұрын

Hi! I'm the third and I'm glad you're that person so I don't have to be

I'm a big fan of the series. The authentic nature of recording the music at Spund City the sheer quality of that music and the casting choices. I didn't and haven't read the book which I understand deviates a little from the Amazon series. Karen/ Suki Waterhouse is unbelievable and I'm surprised there wasn't a little competition for her to be lead singer. Riley/ Daisy is amazing in her own right. As are the male cast. Sam/ Billy is every bit an echo of Jim Morrison and Michael Hutchence from Inxs. Teddy Price was my favourite male character and of course earth angel Suki my favourite female in this series. The sets like Teddy's house were awesome. A firm five stars from me. Camilla was a wonderful wife to Billy despite his very predictable love of Daisy.

I haven’t read the book yet but the fact that you think the dynamic between Daisy and Billy is better in the series worries me because I haaaated it

@piya6929

Жыл бұрын

the show is very oviously made for billy×daisy shippers and yes it definitely portrays their chemistry better

My first time on your channel, and I really wish this video hadn’t triggered my Alexa… so unnerving

i both hate and love, love triangles. personally I like when love triangles involve no one who is committed, once kids and spouses come into the mix it becomes very unbearable for me to watch because it is more than just those two people involved then. Billy is an awful person, and Daisy is not much better. I felt bad for Camilla while reading the book so I ended up shelving it. Every time I see a commercial for the show I always just want to watch it, but it just makes me sick. I wish we could find a way to explore those kind of dynamics in relationships, because they exist, without romanticizing infidelity.

@piya6929

Жыл бұрын

that's the main problem i have with it too...people are picking sides and going team Camilla or team Daisy as if Billy and Camilla weren't literally married with a kid...all i see is a rocky marriage and an emotional affair(in the books) and an emotional affair with kissing(in the show)...i hate how people act as if Daisy and Billy deserved to have a chance at love and Camilla was simply in the way of that happy ending

id love to see a video on how i met ur mother

So I watched this without having read the book or watched the show and I just have to say that on the ending - so this is basicaly Kuch Kuch Hota Hai then?

@hazelsingh3887

Жыл бұрын

Oh my gosh you’re right! TJR out here plagiarizing classic Bollywood, smh

@piya6929

Жыл бұрын

yes!!! but i feel like its kind of worse becayse in kuch kuch hota hai Rahul never cheated on Tina with Anjali or even vice versa

19:03 well, I'm def of the end Billy team

Hated Honeycomb's version on the show. That's the only song I wish they would have used TJR's lyrics. But that's my opinion. Still grateful the book exists.

@TalkSickMass

10 ай бұрын

TJR made the call not to bring the lyrics from the book

I’ll say this about Evelyn Hugo, the drama was amazing. I read it in like two days, I couldn’t put it down. But… I can’t say I fully liked it because I just could not stand Evelyn as a character. And I like complicated protagonists, but that girl just had no redeeming qualities for me

I love the point about the band’s name. But, I think there’s a fix which could have been more fun and been a great spot to enhance the tension about the unreliable narration without having to present “what if that’s happen” or anything like that. With this, we would have felt more anticipation for what we were going to see or not going to see without feeling cheated, which is really fun, and would have made the interviews more interesting. So, the fix is: you just only keep the idea of who named the band in the interviews. Don't show "the truth." I mean, with this plot point, there isn't a lot of weight - unlike Billy's infidelity - we don’t need to know what really happened. The arguments between the recollections are more interesting. If anything, we might even keep looking between the interviews to see if we can spot who was more unreliable - Karen and Eddie, so we could figure out who actually named the band. But, either way, it’s the band’s name, right? So, it’s low stakes and we don't feel cheated. It could have even become a fan theory which would have given the show life after. But, yeah, fun and easy fix.

you would adore evelyn hugo please read it!!!

Everyone talking about the book and I haven't read it so... still liked the show tho

I am obsessed with the series on prime. I am totally lost trying to figure out the story of Daisy and her daughter. I have to assume that is a cliffhanger that will be resolved in a second season. I so wish for a second season!!!

the only reason i appreciate look my in the eye is because they're kinda cringy, which really suits where billy was in his life and musical career. people giving it crap need to stop taking it so seriously 😂

One thing that really bothered me was how Mary Sue the band was: Like, in the novel Daisy has good songs, but they're something you would probably listen to at a shooping mall and never research again, whereas the show tries to tell you over and over again how she is basically the Picasso of musical composition; and, probably one of the changes I HATED the most, The Six already had two albums out before "Aurora" that were their "Debut" and "Seven Eight Nine" which weren't as powerful as their third, but had been comercial success and even Honeycomb was from their second album, not from Aurora, same as Daisy who had her own debut album out, so making Aurora their first and only album that inmediatly went viral and then trying to convince the watcher that they were actually the best band of the 70´s is a bit...too ridiculous. I know that it was probably difficult for them to make two full albums, but if they wrote songs for Simone and The Dune Brothers, they could've actually put a bit more of work into making their path to fame a bit more belivable.

it’s so sad bc you can tell the actors put their absolute ALL into their roles just for the show to be so mediocre compared to the book

The thumbnail 😅

I had to quit the show the colours and .lighting made it so Visually boring

Railey is so loving and sweet. She is very talented and humble. I liked the series, she definitely shines. Camila, on the other hand, seems to be always posing, it's annoyng. In the shots she is always in a posed attitude, not relaxed but as if she was checking that she looks good and that makes her lose authenticity and spontaneity. Riley on the other hand is an actress who shows herself as she is, she gives depth to the characters, she makes them complex and you can connect with them.

evelyn hugo is so good- the rest are just meh/ daisy jones was good not great

i dont think daisy and billy went back to each other in a romantic way, i think the implication was that theyre going to make music together

"promo sm"

nothing about them are anything like Fleetwood Mac, I don't know why anyone makes the comparison.