Tyranny mention actually made me happy irl, such a gem that sadly was overlooked, underrated and almost forgotten even by genre fans.

@pietersleijpen3662

10 ай бұрын

Never could get very far into the game despite several attempts. I like the mechanics, but the story just could not grab me. It might be that the start as a leader in a conquerering army just did not click with me even if you can step away from it afterwards.

@sleepovr

10 ай бұрын

i wish they will release a sequel. enjoyed several run of Tyranny back then

@MDHDH-iy7nm

10 ай бұрын

i just hate how short it is

@MDHDH-iy7nm

10 ай бұрын

@@sleepovr i think Obsidian abandoned cRPGs honestly but with BG3's rise maybe theres hope

@peredliden6965

10 ай бұрын

Yeeees, I loved tyranny, way too short but really compelling!

I love how you keep boosting Tyranny. What a game.

@spaceman9599

10 ай бұрын

We all have a wish that Obsidian somehow comes fully back from the lands of venture bro microloot

@RG32822

10 ай бұрын

Tyranny has one of my favorite magic systems in all CRPGs.

@williamcase426

9 ай бұрын

boost boost raise the roof

@MeTaLISaWeSoMe95

2 ай бұрын

​@spaceman9599 what? Obsidian is one of the few developers who always seems to put their all into their games and you're still complaining lol.

I just really hope the popularity of BG3 will bring more new crpg ideas from other studios and more pathfinder as well! Great video!

@sidneyday8927

10 ай бұрын

I completely agree, but unless the production is anywhere near the same it most likely won’t.

@Dryxxxa

10 ай бұрын

I think a lot of folks are encountering CRPGs for the first time now. Many of them enjoy the genre. So a rather small yet good CRPG like Shadowrun: Dragonfall might be able to find more success now than it did like 8 years ago. These are just my guesses though.

@joaoteixeira8349

10 ай бұрын

BG3 didn't do anything new, so there's not much to take from this game. I'm actualy afraid the opposite might happen, with developers being scared away from the genre becuase people will expect the same tratment of BG3 (and by that i mean full voice acting and all cutscenes animated). The only saving grace in the genre right now is owlcat games, who keep innovating and creating reaaaly good games (rogue trader is looking realy good)

@andreisandulescu9042

10 ай бұрын

@@joaoteixeira8349 How did they not do anything new? They managed to integrate 5e rules into a video game really well and created the first fully voice acted CRPG. It is true that this raises the bar significantly for CRPGs, but maybe we'll see some AAA developers dip their toes into the genre.

@GeoGyf

10 ай бұрын

@@andreisandulescu9042 There are games that have managed to integrate 5e rules better. Not that is that difficult of a job, 5e rules are simple enough. For comparison, Pathfinder Kingmaker integrating 3.75/Pathfinder 1 rules was far more impressive. With AI voice we will more fully voice acting in the future. One minor problem for BG3 and with all RPGs that have a silent protagonist and voiced acting is that the dialogue is a bit jarring at times. What BG3 managed to do was 1. release a game that was mostly well-made, in a period where that is rare. 2. Show why Early Access, despite its problems can still deliver, 3. show that strong IPs and hard work combined can spell success.

Pillars of Eternity 2 might be my most memorable CRPG - cannot wait to get into Tyranny after BG3 runs out

@fenharel2137

10 ай бұрын

I tried Tyranny and despite loving PoE, I can't get into it. All the military stuff is just very boring to me

@malonshammer

10 ай бұрын

I liked PoE1 fairly well, and only played it so I could import my save into 2 and was very excited for a nautical RPG and... wow. It really took the wind out of my sails as it were. A lot of small issues really dragged down what could have been a cool game, but everything just kinda fell apart for me. Just beat it two days ago actually, still kind of bummed out by how disappointing the whole thing was.

@fistimusmaximus6576

10 ай бұрын

good game but wasnt a fan of the system/armor mechanics, still close but its story wasnt on par with others.

@fistimusmaximus6576

10 ай бұрын

Think the characters were weak aswell. Best character didnt make it to the second game the pervy fire priest.

@mentality4531

10 ай бұрын

@@malonshammerI liked POE 2 a lot more than 1. The combat was much more refined and enjoyable, and while the main story was lacklustre, the DLC more than made up for it.

As someone currently playing BG1 for the first time, i think it still holds up! I'm about 10 hours in and I'm really enjoying exploring the world and finding so many unique little things throughout. The game has so much heart and soul.

@spaceman9599

10 ай бұрын

I'm doing the same! Long build up to getting BG3! Currently playing BG1 EE and at chapter 5: having decision angest about running to max 5 other characters, or mix and match between a larger pool... I realise starting as a ranger was a bit redundant :)

@kingleech16

10 ай бұрын

Though the difficulty can be… unforgiving at times. I’m a fan of both BGs and the Icewind Dale games, though BG2 is my favorite.

@evanpaluch6190

10 ай бұрын

Playing Baldurs gate 1 on mobile. It's not the preferred way to play but it's still awesome. Can't wait to try Baldurs gate 2

@Asankeket

10 ай бұрын

@@spaceman9599 I like BG1 for its very well-made story. I mean you find documents detailing the strategy of the major antagonists, and they actually make sense. The antagonists aren't just there to be killed, they have believable goals and ways to achieve them. BG3 is good in that as well, but man, is this rare in so many games.

@davidpartridge3271

10 ай бұрын

I highly recommend a solo run of BG1 and 2. Duel wielding dwarf was the most fun ever.

Tyranny is just too good. Which of my potential children I have to sacrifice to get another crpg set in that setting?

@JediLordRevan

10 ай бұрын

Man i wish Avowed was in Tyranny universe instead of Pillers universe .

@rb98769

10 ай бұрын

I really like it too. It's very underrated.

@ronuss

10 ай бұрын

it was great i agree, the only thing though was that because you could make ur own spells and skils it was very easy to break the game. i remember soling it as a rogue on the hardest setting. stil fun though.

@adammusia9527

10 ай бұрын

This, so much. It's so sad that they didn't market Tyranny more, which made the chances for a sequel so low. When Tyranny (even with all the dlc) ends, it's such a cliff-hanger and if you enjoyed it, you immediately want to play a sequel. This setting is perfect! I'd also love to see another Arcanum game, another Age of Decadence game (but with gameplay and visuals closer to Colony Ship), Disco Elysium (not by the corporate ZAUM, but rather Kurvitz), Planescape Torment, also isometric Pillars of Eternity 3 instead of Awoved /or is it Avowed?/) and probably a few others I'm forgetting right now. I can make children on an industrial scale and sacrifice them just to see it all through.

@adammusia9527

10 ай бұрын

​@@JediLordRevanI wish that Avowed wasn't in the making at all, and they'd start making PoE3 and Tyranny2 instead

Surprised not to see Disco Elysium on this list. I understand its fairly different in style to the more dnd like games, but its such an amazing game from a writing standpoint. Definitely my personal favorite, with Baldur’s Gate 3 being a close second.

@preppen78

10 ай бұрын

I think it's more or less excluded from the genre here, as being more of a narrative game of some sort. I think you can call it a crpg, but with less roleplaying elements perhaps. Doesn't matter really and genres are rarely very well defined. Not sure if Planescape: Torment was excluded for similar reasons or just didn't make the list. For me, both above mentioned games are at the absolute top regardless of genre.

@duraluminiumalloy9248

10 ай бұрын

I don't think Disco Elysium would be mentioned before Planescape Torment would've been. But both of these games are more of a story sprinkled here and there with some combat tactics, rather than crpg with a good story.

@Jajalaatmaar

10 ай бұрын

What classes can you be in that game?

@brookspn

10 ай бұрын

People say the writing is good, but I just don't get why. It struck me is something an undergrad double majoring in psychology and philosophy world write--that is, it's self-important and shallow with a veneer of profundity.

@Jajalaatmaar

10 ай бұрын

Nah, the writing is really good. It's super atmospheric and has a really literary style of it's without being pretentious imo. @@brookspn

I've been a CRPG player (I'm 50) since The Bard's Tale I and SSI Goldbox games - BG and others on this list were incredible (I actually played Wasteland I), but you're right - going back that far can make enjoying them difficult. I have Tyranny on deck, and I'm 600 hours into BG3. I've got another 300 in Pathfinder - maybe I'll give that another run. /shrug Thanks for the video!

@davdav1370

4 ай бұрын

Damn, it must be quite a journey for you to see all these new titles coming out and seeing genre still standing strong.

@Arishem34

4 ай бұрын

@@davdav1370 My little brother is 45. We played RPGs when it was all text (Your Magic Missle hit for 17 damage!) and used to imagine what we're seeing today. So yeah, it's been an incredible journey. Of course, we're waiting for VR to catch up. :)

Kind of miss Planescape: Torment on this list, but that might be nostalgia speaking. The first cRPG that I played that felt like a real RPG and I absolutely loved the setting and story. I am not much into replay, so I never really replayed either Torment, BG1 or BG2.

@sieglindeeilserv8799

10 ай бұрын

Torment was all bout the story. So many incredible companions and npcs in that game. I still remember quotes from Dakkon to this day, like "Endure, and in enduring grow stronger." Or the base question of the game: "What can change the nature of a man?". For my Nameless One, it was regret. That said there wasn't a hard fight in the entire game, as you could literally stack buffs to make your char 100% unkillable. I wonder if it would be possible to update the ruleset on that game with mods. Would be a super chore, but think how amazing that game would be even today.

@feno12

10 ай бұрын

Likewise, Planescape Torment is still the pinacle for me in regards to story. I think BG3 is objectively a better 'game' but for a story. Torment is such an amazing and unique piece. Similarly to Morrowind in the ES franchise, it just bucks the norm and does something special.

@humanindustry13

10 ай бұрын

Same for me, BG3 is amazing and a contender for best CRPG ever, but PS:T still has the best story of any game I've ever played, it's still my favourite game just for the story, characters and setting. I never replayed it either, but it's still so memorable for me 20 years later.

@domagojkersun9630

10 ай бұрын

TBH I am really sad they didn't put Githzerai race in BG3. Because of Dakkon i prefer Githzerai over Githyanki.@@sieglindeeilserv8799

@superfuss1984

10 ай бұрын

Yes! I have it as App on my Chromebook and intend to play it before i die!

Wrath of the righteous was really something special. Once I'm finished with BG3 I think I'll go back and revisit it.

@christophertheofilos1063

10 ай бұрын

Want to wait for the rest of the dlc so my mods quit getting broken

@ethanduncan1646

10 ай бұрын

It's just such a good game. BG3 imo was close but Wrath still is on top of the throne. The sheer power fantasy of becoming a literal godlike entity is just way too fun.

@Necrophadez

10 ай бұрын

​@@christophertheofilos1063Is there more dlc coming?

@Izigurand

10 ай бұрын

@@ethanduncan1646​​⁠there’s a lot of bullshit in it though. I remember a specific area called Black Water which was especially wack. There’s also just way less roleplaying, which isn’t totally bad depending on what you’re into.

@Thalaranthey

10 ай бұрын

@@Izigurand hmmm... i dont think theres less roleplaying. Theres defenitely less unorthodox ways to express your character and maybe less freedom but not less roleplaying

mortym, i just wanna let you know im truly grateful for the videos you put out; i probably never would've considered in a million years playing a CRPG until i saw your crpgs for beginners video, which led to me finishing Shadowrun Returns then, and now i'm diving headfirst into BG1 (and yes your analytics are correct, i probably watched that guide 3 times over just to understand the systems haha). but seriously, your perspective entertains & helps a lot of of us here. i think it was in the bg1 beginner guide that you said there's no shame in dropping the difficulty to a more comfortable spot when you paid for the game--somehow i had never considered that--and it's helped me to enjoy myself much more when playing these types of games, given that im much newer to them, so thank you. 🙂

Always happy to see some Tyranny love. Not only is the spell system among the best of any genre, it's unique turn-of-the-iron-age setting and nuanced worldbuilding make for incresibly deep roleplaying options. If you can get past somewhat janky visuals at times and the text-heavy nature of it, it's well worth it

Great list, excited to try some of these games! Hoping we can one day get a game like WoTR with BG3's quality or BG3 with pathfinder's ruleset and complexity. Very hopeful for the future of CRPGS

While your top 2 are also my own, I love seeing Tyranny on the list! It’s such a hidden gem in my opinion. Thanks for this great list

Yes! Wasteland 3 is one of my personal favorite CRPGs of all time. I’m also glad to see Tyranny get some love on the list.

@alexrogers9051

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I really enjoyed the setting and humor of Wasteland 3. It got me into turn based games and after it I tried DOS2 and fell in love. I’m in act 2 of BG 3 now on PS

@ethanduncan1646

10 ай бұрын

Wasteland 3 was a better Fallout than the actual Fallout games released since NV. Getting the golden ending was as awesome as rewarding as getting the Pathfinder golden endings

@Faithnato

10 ай бұрын

@@alexrogers9051 I love the writing style of Wasteland 3. It is kind of crazy that they mange to wrote a dark theme story yet funny at the same time.

Your Baldurs Gate New Player Guide is how I discovered your channel, and I'm very thankful that you made that video because I love watching your content! Keep up the great work!

Before even getting to the list (and after finishing the BG3 for the first time after 150h) I just realized how many amazing, memorable RPGs I've played. And that I'd probably need to use some metrics like "time played" to be actually able to put them in some order. But definitely my favorites include: BG3, BG1&2, WoTR, Tyranny, Planescape Tornment, Disco Elysium, Fallout 1&2 and DOS2.

Really excited to see this list and how things have changed. Your ability to finish so many of these games is amazing.

Just found your channel recently, like within the past month. Been watching some old vids and all your new vids. Thanks for this video!

Divinity Original Sin EE got me into the genre, on PS4 at that. Absolutely love that game. But what pushed me over the edge was Pathfinder WotR. This channel was why I bought the game when it officially launched on PC and I never looked back. It took me doing a lot of research on it to fully grasp the game but when I did, it opened up and I love it even more now. Keep up the great work and will be a fan for as long as the channel exists!

I just recently got into this genre in May. The first game I started (and still playing) is Pathfinder WOTR. I think it'll take me many years to finish all of the games in my list haha

Great video Mort. Love your content and all the time you put into these games and the videos you make. Keep up the great work!

I'm surprised PoE 2, NWN 2 (edited), and DAO didn't make this list. Tyranny is a hidden gem though. Love it so much!

@shawngillogly6873

10 ай бұрын

He's always been a bit down on DAO. NWN is a hard game to judge. Do you base it on the sold content? If so, it's quite mediocre. If you base it on the toolset, well, it's as good as the mods you played. Which there are some amazing adventures, to be sure (Aielund Forever!). And he said Deadfire would be on the list of 10.

@ronuss

10 ай бұрын

nwn base game isn't great tbh, what made NWN great was mp, and community content. if u got into that id say its still the best mp crpg out there.

@miraclemaker1418

10 ай бұрын

Dao is the flagbearer of this crpg Renaissance, and one of my favorites, but it's just objectively not better than games in this list. Nostalgia value just doesn't cut it

@zilbest

10 ай бұрын

@@shawngillogly6873 I was wrong. I meant to type NWN 2. Though, I still love the first NWN and would definitely make the list. Maybe because it's one of the first cRPGS that I played, so I could have personal biased.

@jervey123

10 ай бұрын

i really liked DAO back when i was a kid, but its system is very watered-down compared to even older CRPGs at the time... although it was the only CRPG that delivered this sort of cinematic experience until BG3. Dragon age as a series is such a shame, it should've culminated into something like what BG3 has achieved now, but it strayed further and further away from its roots and when the new DA game comes out, it'll be mercilessly compared to BG3 as something it should have been

Always wanted to check out Pathfinder, might have to give it a go now seeing where it landed on your list!

I loved Tyranny. Ive beaten it 4+ times and the combat system, characters, and story was amazing.

I played wasteland 3 because of this channel mention as one of your favorites and I am glad I did! I loved it! Thanks for putting it on your channel

I'm excited for the continued growth of your channel. Keep up the good work! 🎉

The first CRPG I fell in love with was Exile 3 from Spiderweb Software back in the 90s. It was later remade as Avernum 3 (and is available on Steam!). Great writing, great story, choice and consequence. If you don't mind 2D retro graphics, I strongly recommend it.

Honestly surprised Pillars of Eternity 2 didnt crack your top 7

@maboilaurence8227

10 ай бұрын

I love that game, but I can also see why it would objectively not be as good as these games listed.

@shawngillogly6873

10 ай бұрын

Cliffhanger ending that'll never be finished is a sour taste. And while the build variety is great, the combat difficulty doesn't merit the investment in those mechanics. Add to that an entirely too short Main Story, and the terrible ship combat, and it's good not great.

@patrik3482

10 ай бұрын

Sorry, but it's a terrible game with even more terrible writing. And what's worst is what a huge downgrade it is compared to the first game.

@maboilaurence8227

10 ай бұрын

@@patrik3482 Couldn't disagree more. The gameplay and multiclass are much better than PoE1 and while the writing is slightly worse, Poe1 had serious pacing issues after Act 2.

@ducky36F

10 ай бұрын

I agree with him tbh these 7 are just better haha

I have incredibly found memory of playing Baldur's Gate 2. Definitely agree that the gameplay might be outdated , as the gameplay interface isn't particularly user friendly. But the character depth and party banter was easily my favorite part of the game. Playing the game genuinely felt like I grew with the party members. The conflict that occurs when team members have disagreements. The bond that was formed through the trials. I really liked it. Also, I'm not particularly fond of romance, but I remember feeling inclined to romance one character, only to realize later that I actually respected Jaheira as a character, and wound up in a romance with her. It was a very interesting experience. While not all romances are written equally, I thought Jaheira's personal quest line was exceptional.

@MsHojat

10 ай бұрын

I recall her being notoriously hard (and possibly buggy in addition to that?) to romance (possibly the hardest in any game/CRPG). Some fan patches or Enhanced Edition may have changed that though.

Love your taste and takes. I love this channel, it is what i always wanted from your reviews and concise guides. Kind of reminds me a bit of totalbiscuits reviews, which is good. Keep doing what you're doing Mort, you deserve all the recognition.

You probably get this a lot, but your reviews and video breakdowns have led me to purchase some of these games and I have been having so much fun. I can't wait to try out WotR once I am finished with BG3 because I want to experience the more challenging system that it offers.

My first crpg was pillars of eternity. I remember playing it years back and absolutely loving it!

Love your content and thank you for this video I am looking forward to trying out a few of these !

Tyranny is such an underated gem.

I'm doing Tyranny right now, and I have to say this game just made me a fan of the CRPG genre. Now I just can't wait to try Pillars of Eternity, Pillars of Eternity 2, Baldurs Gate 3, Pathfinder Kingmaker and Pathfinder WOTR as I'm a sucker for anything classic High medieval fantasy.

I love to see Tyranny here. Actual moral choices, interesting characters, unique world, a story!

WOW. RIP Pillars of Eternity 1 and 2. Lord Mortisimal used to love you.

Very excited about Warhammer 40000: Rogue Trader, could be a great addition to the ever growing list of bangers

I don't have anything of value to add so I'll just say this: your channel has become my favourite on youtube. I can see your passion for (c)rpgs oozing from every video of yours. Watching you always makes my day better. Truly, thank you so much.

You know warhammer rogue trader is coming 7th December Mort ? what a great end of year for RPG gamers

I really liked pathfinder kingmaker, the only problem for me was that it was very combat focused. There were times when you enter a cave and you had combat encounters every ten meters.

@MichaelWard-le1ck

10 ай бұрын

Kingmaker was amazing but I hated the last dungeon more than anything to ever exist

@Thalaranthey

10 ай бұрын

@@MichaelWard-le1ck they fixed it. also just play kineticist and skip every combat xD that class gets stupid op later on and i'd just place aoe on ground and then hit them with another one and watch them die slowly in clouds of burning steam on top of lava x)

@pervognsen_bitwise

10 ай бұрын

@@MichaelWard-le1ck You'll know someone is a Kingmaker player if hearing the words 'Wild Hunt Monarch' sends them into convulsions. A whole lot easier the second time around with adequate preparation and foreknowledge but it was absolutely brutal when we all played it at launch.

@Al_N_Infer

10 ай бұрын

@@pervognsen_bitwise mandragora swarm

I was here for almost the start cool to see your list update :)

I'm really looking forward to your whole review of BG3, especially when considering the not super amazing state of act 3 and the ways the game plays out based on different decisions (which I don't know a ton about being only on my second playthrough)

Pathfinder: Wrath of the Righteous has such a haunting tone to it. I think it would be hard to go back to it after BG3, but I think it has the best tone and mood out of any CRPG.

@shawngillogly6873

10 ай бұрын

I have no problem playing Wrath alongside BG3 even. They each offer things the other does not

@casadogaspar

10 ай бұрын

WotR is the closest thing to BG3 we have, and if we talk only about the system complexity it's even better than BG3.

@sidneyday8927

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I agree. I definitely would have a hard time going back to wrath now, but I still loved my time with it all the same.

@nightshademilkshake1

10 ай бұрын

I loved WOTR and could easily get back into it. BG3 is now one of my favorites of all time (think top 3 vs WOTR which is top 10), but to be honest the relationships in WOTR were written a bit better - in particular Wenduag.

@jmmywyf4lyf

10 ай бұрын

Aside from some poor balancing, I find Pathfinder games to be the best of the genre. I cant get myself to enjoy BG3 because of the 5e ruleset being so shallow. Maybe overly simplified is a better descriptor, instead of shallow..

I know they may not be as crunchy as you like, but Planescape Torment and Disco Elysium have such compelling narratives and worlds that I think you should show them a little more love.

@thepancakemann

10 ай бұрын

Disco Elysium has the best writing of any RPG. The only other story in gaming I felt came close was RDR2 and it's from a different genre.

@kyleward7417

10 ай бұрын

​​​@@thepancakemannDisco Elysium has one of the worst stories I have seen in any RPG, full of plot holes, inconsistency and one of the worst ending to a story ever. And the fact you're second favourite story is from RDR2, shows that you have the most normie and basic taste in storytelling, nothing wrong with that, but don't call garbage like that as one of the best.

@xeagaort

10 ай бұрын

@@kyleward7417sheeeeeesh

@thepancakemann

10 ай бұрын

@@kyleward7417 @kyleward7417 I'd like to think my narrative preferences are traditional. I'd also hazard a guess that you thought Disco had narrative inconsistency and plot holes because you didn't understand what you were reading and you weren't paying attention. I mean correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't even know what your to use. I highly doubt you're capable of understanding the nuance of either game's story - both of which are two of the most critically acclaimed of all time for a reason. There's certainly nothing wrong with being a contrarian, but calling either RDR 2 or Disco Elysium "garbage" in any way is just intellectually dishonest. Elysium's story is not better than the sum of its writing and RDR2's narrative suffers from length. They are otherwise absolute gold standards.

I've rewatch this video 5 times already lol. There's something so amazing about hearing you talk about CRPGs.

As always is very nice to hear your input in your favorite games, a favourite games list is exactly that, your favourite games (well CRPGs) list, not the best CRPGs to date, so other people will find Pillars of Eternity inside it, others would think Dragon Age Origins. I have yet to try any of the pathfinder games, as CRPGs go it has been this year the first time that I have gotten into D&D ones, started with Baldurs Gate 1 and 2 (which were amazing, and I agree I consider the first one above the second personally, it feels more like an adventure), then played Solasta and now Baldurs Gate 3. I might go directly to pathfinder, since I know its more dense but now I understand the D&D-like systems better.

Dragon Age Origins will always be my favourite of the genre. Incredible characters, well written dialogues, generic but enjoyable story, can be completed in a "short" time (for CRPG standards) and the game looks beautiful even now

@Thalaranthey

10 ай бұрын

It was great, but i think what held it back was gameplay. Fights and systems were really bland and shallow even at its era. Loved the game but i dont think it deserves top10 award except maybe for being popular

@Tonebaited123

10 ай бұрын

@@Thalaranthey probably top 1 for me strictly due to nostalgia. I remember it to this day and played it what 20 years ago.

@majorgear1021

5 ай бұрын

I still play it to this day.

KOTOR and NWN2 top my list but maybe I'm just nostalgic for old BioWare and Obsidian. Can't wait to try out Tyranny!

@Adonis869

10 ай бұрын

If you love obsidian, you won't be disappointed with pillars of eternity or Tyranny. Its essentially isometric callbacks to the crpgs of old. Kotor ii is still my favorite of all time, but pillars of eternity has moved to number two & Tyranny 3 due to obsidian's character development, world buildin & general story tellin'. Always cool to see fans of kotor & nvn

I seriously love your videos, man. Keep going!

nice list i really enjoyed all of these games , and i like Wrath more as Bg3 as well. This channel is the reason why i tried this type of games tbh. Thx for that!

Pathfinder WotR is mine favored too, but I personally have enjoyed the Kingmaker more, I have even enjoyed the kingdom management much more than the crusade minigame :). Also I would add Dragon age origin, which is I would say the most simplified crpg to get into.

@majorgear1021

5 ай бұрын

Interesting. I’ve watched a few rpg videos that bashed king maker for being boring. That turned me off of it.

@Daniel92CZ

5 ай бұрын

​@@majorgear1021 It depends, king maker is realtime only, so some people may not like it just from that, but I personally find kingmaker story and companions better than of WotR.

I have a lot of love for Pillars of Eternity, especially for the first one. There was something so captivatingly dark about the world there, and their take on deities was refreshing! It took risks and it mostly paid off! I love the original Baldurs greatly, but Pillars absolutely became one of the best RPGs I've ever played!

@mathieuguillet4036

9 ай бұрын

I ultimately prefer the first, too.

@souluss

9 ай бұрын

Pillars has a great atmosphere, neat mechanics and horrific writing. It ruins the game for me sadly.

I love every game you mention and your channel is an added joy for me.

The Divinity lore videos are what brought me to your channel. Im so glad I discovered your content.

Good list, only one i would add is bg2, BG1 will always be my favorite no 2 was so good not only story wise, adding much need mechanics and another great voice acted villain with Irenicus.

@douglaswilliams6834

10 ай бұрын

Agreed. BG1, 2, and now 3 would take up the top three spots in my favorite CRPG list.

@MsHojat

10 ай бұрын

Yeah BG2 was better than BG1 I'd say (although I never experienced all of BG1)

@Footsoldier1234

10 ай бұрын

The only thing I thought 2 was lacking was all the areas you get to explore in 1. Each area had a surprise in store for you and you couldn't wait to jump right into that fog of war and explore new things. Also, bg2 is much too focused indoors. Druids take a hit on that because Call Lightning could be hard to use since you're almost always in houses, sewers, or dungeons. Theiy should have given given them the Icewind Dale spell Static Charge to correct this.

The fact that you find BG3 easy is crazy and so funny to me because this is the 1st time I’ve played something this like outside of dragon age and it’s so hard and challenging for me and yet so fun.

@AlKiar

10 ай бұрын

Honestly play WOTR on the second hardest difficulty just for a few hours and you’ll beat BG3 Tactician so easily.

@kokotkokotsky3897

10 ай бұрын

​@@AlKiar I played WotR only on difficulty that would be something between normal and daring(3rd and 4th out of 7) on playthru I went with making my own build, but BG3 even on the hardest was not even close to that in difficulty, I still found WotR to be more challenging, so no need to try the second hardest to find tactician easy

@AlKiar

10 ай бұрын

@@kokotkokotsky3897 yea I meant even playing it for a few hours it would teach you a lot. BG3 is really easy and wish there was some way to make it more difficult without having to make enemies more tanky.

@Thalaranthey

10 ай бұрын

My friend told me not to go hard beacuse its SUPER hard (he had like 150 hrs in beta) i got to 2nd act and just restarted game to go tactican(i also wanted to play origin character) and still felt like i dont have a challenge. I considered playing solo, but it seems like companions and interactions are solid 70% of the game. Only tough fight was House of Hope, ofc you can cheese it with barrelmancy but i decided to fight it normally and it was REALLY fun. Also the audio

@Thalaranthey

10 ай бұрын

@@AlKiar I wish they made gold useful, maybe let enemies take less enviromental damage and have more hp, like twice. With 0 character planning i finish most combats in 1-2 turns ;/

Been a minute since I got to enjoy one of your videos avoiding the newish fun games I'd like to play first before I watch your videos on them ❤ keep up the great work

Great list, and obviously it's down to personal choice which is totally fine - but I'm somewhat surprised that Planescape Torment didn't make it in there!

BTW Tyranny fans Malazan is a book series I think you guys would like, a LOT of similarities

@vitaminc2161

10 ай бұрын

thank you! will check it out.

Very surprised no Pillars 1 or 2. Both are still my favorites, with wrath of the righteous coming third.

I had no idea this was originally a divinity lore channel, I love Divinity. I’m definitely going through your backlog

Before I started watching, I already knew what was going to be number one. :P Great video and a great list of really fantastic games.

damn never would have guessed bg3 would beat out dos2 personally. Thanks for all your hard work man =)

@syro2412

10 ай бұрын

I had a hard time getting into DOS2 because of the magic and physical armor system but after playing it for a while it makes sense why they introduced those after DOS1. It's too easy to abuse crowd control in the first game and honestly, the combat in the second game is a lot more fun@@chuckchan4127

@HEALER__

10 ай бұрын

true tbh, i played through dos2 three times at least back in the day and honestly couldn't describe the plot if someone asked me now@@chuckchan4127

@xeagaort

10 ай бұрын

@@chuckchan4127the companions in DOS2 really do carry hard. Some of the best writing in gaming period imo.

I'm wondering why you didn't think Baldur's Gate 2 made the cut.

@MortismalGaming

10 ай бұрын

I just don't like it as much as the others lol the epic levels of AD&D are also a mess

The true Aeon ending from WoTR gives me chills to this day! Also, PathFinder WoTR was how i found out about your channel!

I'm a little surprised Disco Elysium didn't make the cut, and not surprised Planescape:Torment didn't, probably for the same reasons. Both often feel more like adventure games or visual novels, with the RPG mechanics sometimes getting in the way of that.

@MortismalGaming

10 ай бұрын

Thats pretty much it, the gameplay of Torment is not great, and DE is more of a narrative game/visual novel imo

@Thalaranthey

10 ай бұрын

i could NEVER get into either of those games, i had top 7 hrs in planescape and just couldnt get into it (despite having done 20+ fallout 1 and 2 playtroughs and several for bg 1/2), disco is just... weird. Playing it i felt like writing is from perspective of very sheltered and young person that got his hands on 1st year psychology book xd

@BrainGodGenius

9 ай бұрын

@@Thalaranthey you're not central/eastern European are you? If there is one thing I wouldn't call DE it's "sheltered", the way the game talks about its wars might be the best I've ever seen in a video game

@Thalaranthey

9 ай бұрын

@@BrainGodGenius im central european georgaphically and according to us, but eastern according to most of the world (Poland) what Has it to do with anything?

@BrainGodGenius

9 ай бұрын

@@Thalaranthey how far along have you got into the game?

glad u mentioned Tyranny

Such a good list. I'm happy i have all these games except baldur's gate 3. I'm planning on playing wrath of the righteous thanks to your video.

Great list!! You and werglia got me hooked on crpgs. I've been missing out. Thought they were slow and boring for years. Now I can't get enough!!

Mortismal, what do you think, will Pathfinder/Paizo (maybe with another colab. with Owlcat again) try to make its own triple A "BG3" game? We know about the rivalries between Paizo and WoTC, and if i were Paizo, i would deffinately try to make some game to rival the BG3 and probe my way into the mainstream.

@Mark-kr5go

10 ай бұрын

Paizo absolutely needs to back more Pathfinder/Starfinder games. I found the Faerun setting so boring compared to Golarion.

@MortismalGaming

10 ай бұрын

They've stated publicly they're actively looking for partners to make video games for them, so yeah I think we'll continue to see stuff in that regard

No pillars of eternity? PoE II is one of my favorite games of all time, the game is simply great and memorable.

What CRPGs saved for me is turn-based combat. I was always too dumb to play RTwP right so allies were running in AoE spells or enemies were on completely different positions when my caster finished his spell or party members die suddenly because of damage spikes and I react to that like Slowpoke and so on. So after BG3 I'd like to take a closer look on the Divinity and Pathfinder games (again). And also there's Rogue Trader at the end of the year. (Oh, and Pillars of Eternity 2 has also turn-based combat as far as I remember correctly)

so many of these, are also on my top 7 :) I am glad someone else enjoyed Tyranny.

Is Dragon age: Origins not considered a crpg? Guess not or it should have made this list?! Bg3 made me think bout it. I loved that game! It was my best game ever for me at the time (its dark souls 1 now). I should replay it...finished it twice. But i just started octopath 2 now. Another great game.. I am not well versed in crpgs. I only played dos2/bg3 out of these. Tried pathfinder or pillars (not even sure which), but was too overwhelming for me. I didnt get what was going on with the combat at all. I gave up quickly. I may try again.

@Tiavals

10 ай бұрын

It's definitely a CRPG, but there are so many better ones that it has to make space. I might put it in a top 20 list. It's certainly better than DA2 or 3, but compared to great ones it's lacking. If you're new, you could try Fallout 1 or 2, Underrail, Planescape Torment, Arcanum, or so many others. Then again, I suppose those have pretty overwhelming mechanics too for the most part(except for Planescape Torment).

I installed again Tyranny a few days ago for that matter. Divinity Original Sin (the first one) also hits a sweet spot for me, i dig a lot the unforgiven nature of some encounters in this one.

@thepancakemann

10 ай бұрын

D:OS1 is fantastic and the only reason it doesn't get referenced much anymore is because OS2 was so monumental.

You're the man ! Literally every time a new crpg or action rpg/ soulslike hane comes out that I'm interested in I get the 100% notification from you . And your thoughts and videos steer me in the direction I want to go

Great video! All the choices, rankings, and reasonings were on point.. could you do a story summary of Torment: Tides of Numenera please? Really love your story recaps and supercuts!

@MortismalGaming

10 ай бұрын

No plans but I'll keep it in mind

@atlas07

10 ай бұрын

Thank you good sir!

Whether you prefer BG1 or BG2 largely depends on whether you prefer martial characters or spellcasters 😉

@sieglindeeilserv8799

10 ай бұрын

You could basically solo bg2 using fog of war fireballs and cloudkills. Green dragon? Cloudkill. Demogorgon? Cloudkill. :D

@jadimich

10 ай бұрын

Hi there. I greatly prefer martial characters and still GREATLY prefer BG2 over BG1. BG2 is superior in nearly every way, in my opinion. But to each his own.

@Alessandro90933

8 ай бұрын

You are right but fireball was indeed strong in Bg1. It could quickly resolve 90% of the fights lol

Its unexpected that BG1 is over BG2, or have you not played BG2? There are also the Knights of the Old Republic, and a little unknown diamond, Age of Decadence.

@MortismalGaming

10 ай бұрын

Yeah I've played and reviewed all of those, BG2 isnt here because the epic levels of AD&D are a mess mostly and I don't like how they changed the map/travel system

I found to your channel through those old divinity (and pf:kingmaker) vids! Think you had maybe 6-7k followers back then. Not that long ago actually. So congrats to your great success 🎉

There are some difficulty mods that really helped BG3 feel better for me: Tactician Plus, Stronger Bosses and Enemies, Lethal enemy AI, and a mod that puts initiative on a d8 instead of a d4. Optionally a mod that makes full camping take 120 supplies.

This might be a hot take but i would put Kingmaker on this list i loved it so much even though WOTR outshines it.

Why no planescape torment? :)

@MortismalGaming

10 ай бұрын

Because I don't enjoy playing it, the story and characters are incredible but the gameplay is just not fun for me.

Thank you sir. Ive been alittle skiddish about jumping in pfwotr but i think i will soon as i wait for bg3 to come to xbox

for anyone looking for more grate CRPG's i would recommend games by Spiderweb, their games like Geneforge and Avernum are among the best written CRPG's I've ever played. Under rail and The Age of Decadence are also strong recommends.

I'm gonna try some of these, but i just can't seem to get into wrath of the righteous...I try every few months but the combat just doesn't click.

@Dryxxxa

10 ай бұрын

I'd say it's perfectly fine.

@Sang-Drax

10 ай бұрын

It's fine to not like it, not everything works for everyone. For me it's one the best CRPGs when it comes to combat but I know many others absolutely hate the combat in particular.

I put WOTR at the top of my list for similar reasons, the level of flexibility and customisation you can do with the difficulty gives the game way more replay factor, BG3 isn't hugely difficult, where as with Pathfinders difficulty settings you can really make a challenging playthrough.

@O-D-X

10 ай бұрын

And for me no Pathfinder game will ever make the list, because of the powergaming feel they have. I want to not be forced into some build just because of the power creep. And to top it off I was very offput with both Pathfinder stories by Owlcat. They felt very tropey.

@snowolf494

10 ай бұрын

​@@O-D-XI agree entierly. Having to pay multiple feat taxes, apply dozens of buffs before each battles and having to dip in 5 different classes made the game a chore to me. Especially since the enemies get ultra bloated stats at higher difficulty levels.

@iandevine3063

10 ай бұрын

Man both commenters missed the whole point of difficulty. Bg3 is so easy, I was kinda disappointed that there was no iron man mode only to realize it didn't need one because the chance of death in 0.

@KingslayerSrb

10 ай бұрын

@@iandevine3063 so enlighten us, what is the actual difficulty in WotR? - You have to learn which of the stuff is crap (95%), and what is OP (5%), that's one. Evidence: there are hundreds (if not thousands) of possible choices, but all builds have basically a couple of same flavors. There is not a single person on this earth who has unironically played a Defender of the True Faith in WoTR, or has taken a full plate while unmounted, or has targeted some "standard" AC when they could target touch AC etc. These things might as well not exist, and again, 95% of the options are like that, not because they're bad compared to OP stuff, but because they don't work even on normal due to stat bloat without reloading (see next points) - Then, you have to know in advance what each encounter is. If you don't, you're screwed and have to reload to a previous point. Evidence: Blackwater, Enigma, etc. - Then, you have to reload heavily if dices screw you over. Watch literally any higher-difficulty playthrough on KZread, they are full of reloads. People have minmaxed builds, and they reload ad infinitum, until they get a favorable roll. I can post a couple of such "famous" (in WotR circles) youtubers, but everyone can find these for themselves easily. How the heck is that fun? None of what I listed is especially difficult, it just requires excess free time. It's not like there is any thinking involved, or creativity, a physical challenge or anything. Its literally just time. In Baldur's Gate 3, yesterday I was stuck in the middle of a haunted house that I was not prepared for, at all. You know what I did? I found a third-story window, had my main char scout fly through; Jaheira misty-stepped, drank a feather fall potion on the next turn, and jumped through. Minsc muscled through to the window and waited for Shadowheart, who drank an invisibility potion to escape, and then proceeded to Dimension Door together with Minsc to safety. Then we regrouped and tackled the house again, this time we were much more prepared. This for me is the pinnacle of RPG. What would I do in WotR? That's right, I'd reload 5 hours in the past because the game would lock me in, with no way of doing anything except for electric damage, or people will tell you to lOwEr ThE DifFiCulTy, as if that's the problem

@PayAttEx

10 ай бұрын

@@KingslayerSrb WOTR's default difficulty is Normal. On Normal difficulty you require no previous knowledge of Pathfinder systems or the game itself. You can play the game in real time with moderate difficulty. Nobody is forcing people to bump up the difficulty settings. There are even warnings when you do that knowledge is required.

Great list my dude, played a couple of them but a little sad that PoE one and two didn't make the list, loved them both 😊 Nevertheless great list and thanks for your hard work 😁👍

I 100% your videos like you 100% games for your reviews. Keep up the good work!

agreed. bg3 is an incredible game but unfortunately it is too easy even on tactician. would love a hardcore difficulty mode

@Alessandro90933

8 ай бұрын

Also maybe... a bit too slow? Bg1 and Bg2 were way more fast paced than 3.

I love WOTR, but it has some serious cheese in encounters, like crazy enemies with crazy AC out of context or things like swarms. Its combat philosophy really bothers me too, you WILL wipe in alot of first time encounters! Then you read the combat log work it out and suddenly it's too easy! You prebuff, prepare the right resistances, spells and then it's a fair fight. WTOR does not give me that in the moment react strategy I crave, walk into fight, be at a disadvantage come up with a solution and experience the rush as your balanced party build gave you a angle to turn the fight. WOTR "you have to die to live" I prefer "you have fight to survive"

@Blue3lephant

10 ай бұрын

Also the constant prebuffing...I spent hours of my life just reapplying buffs over and over.

Aye, finally a very mature and fair review both of BG3 and WotR and other games. Loved BG3 a lot. WotR also was good, but too overcomplicated with really bad balance between classes & companions. Wish we got smth like BG3, or may be Divinity 3, but with character building somewhere half-way to WotR: more complex, but not too overcomplicated, and with a good balance so all of them are equaly viable.

Thanks for the top. I was astonished by bg 3. I didn't have a modern computer for a long time and I didn't play for a long time as well. I played some good titles for last 3 years after I bought modern computer, but no other games satisfied me so much. It is close to game of decade to me, really interesting story and immersive gameplay, best gaming experience to me since last deus ex releases. I have tyranny and dos2 in my library already from sales and will give them a try in future. Also I played vtmb in teen years and thought it is action rpg, but glad to see it in a list as well. People should be aware. Keep it up!

@PaulRGauthier

8 ай бұрын

I didn't have a modern computer until relatively recently, too. And I kind of have a weakness for "lo-fi" crpgs and strategy games. So yeah BG3 blew me away. I do think that BG3's production values blew most crpgs out of the water, though, which is why it's such a smash hit.

Gave it a little thought and I found out I almost universally love sequels. Fallout 2 tops the list, because a friend gave me the cd in middle school and it changed my life, but bg2, wraith, pillars 2 DOS2 etc all above the originals. Makes me sad with Tyranny, an amazing game that’s so different that will never get a sequel.

@pmmm712011

10 ай бұрын

The first game builds out the skeleton of the game, but budget/timelines run out, plus legacy of bad decision decisions make the game hard to improve upon, so developers call it a day and release it. Like the dogcrap kingdom management system in kingmaker, its crap, but too late to cut it out. Second game has all the basic tech built, from the beginning the developers know where the flaws of the first game are, and know how to design it, so the game is much larger and better.

Just the fact that in WOTR the fun begins at level 12, build wise, while BG3 has a level cap of 12 is a huge difference. WOTRs high level fights aren't "break it with a single spell", it's "break it with a single build", bouncing synergies off each other.

@PayAttEx

10 ай бұрын

I mean one could argue early levels in WOTR are even more impactful because you get a lot of value and key feats. Also I feel like WOTR in terms of story starts strong and remains strong until the end where as BG3's story fizzles out horrifically in Act 3.

@ragvald8835

10 ай бұрын

If you got a right build in WOTR, you can keep steamrolling everything blindfolded, except on unfair, maybe. Just spend 5 minutes at the beggining of every dungeon buffing (50 buffs on average at the endgame, really?), and then click on whatever and it dies. If you`re a caster, use those two favourite spells instead and you`ll win. Bg3 is much easier, sure, but somehow i put more thought into actual tactics in battle, like where to stand and what to use, then WOTR, where it`s all about build strategy, and in actual fight you just click aoutoattack (or Sirocco/Icy prison/Higher command/whatever you`re specced for) in most cases.

hey congrats on growing so much from 30k

Good list and good comments. So sad I cannot find a single game here which I wouldnt have played already!!

Tiranny needed more, a sequell and tyranny 2. So sad