FPGAs are common in digital signal processing, infotainment systems in newer cars, and in modern wireless communication infrastructure hardware. The great advantage of a FPGA is it is "Field Programmable" meaning that you can constantly update and change things without having to do complete hardware replacement. This means the fundamental hardware has a longer lifespan and developers can continue to update and improve a product over years (Similar to what happens with the Line6 Helix, for example). Thanks for the informative video! Such a cool sounding synth.

Appreciate your honesty on your thoughts on this synth. I've had mine for a couple years now, and honestly, it's my favourite keyboard I've ever owned. I found the tweakability of it so instant and gratifying, no menu diving. It took me right back to the early days of wonder I felt when I played around with my first ever synth, a Juno 60.

This is indeed a great synthesizer. Owning 20+ synths, mostly analog vintage and modern, I can totally recommend the Super6. Beautiful, amazing sound and quality. UDO, great company.

Thanks for the insight and audio demo on this one Jorb!

Your honest thoughts are much appreciated!

I've had mine for about 20 months, and I've been involved in the owners forum most of that time. Speaking with UDO has been a pleasure and I have confidence things will get better, though I would not have kept mine if I wasn't already satisfied with the state it is in today. I think an editor/librarian running on the computer when you want it, to keep track of shift functions, help you shuffle custom waves in and out of inventory as needed, and show you all the modulation occurring is going to solve a lot of problems. It's a screen that's there when you want it and not when you don't, in that way. I also have already recommended that whatever UDO does for their next synth, they just make all the 16 mod matrix buttons sources and use the parameter wiggle to set destinations. I never use the buttons to set destinations anyways, and even the number of patches where I get in and do that is minimal. Like you, I find I'm having the most fun when I stay on the front panel.

@lo-firobotboy7112

Жыл бұрын

Menu-diving and software editors have always been deal-breakers for me. As soon as a second piece of equipment is required to fully utilize and instrument, I stop having fun. The physical design of the Super-6 is beautiful but relying on hidden software and a laggy digital interface make this synth unappealing to me. As a user I'm surveyor experience is different and I'm glad you enjoy the synth.

I got lured into buying one because of the beautiful design. I used it for almost a year. I felt pretty handicapped and limited in my time with it. Tried to accept that as “part of the charm”, but it really does under perform in the modulation department for the price. The onboard sequencer feels tacked on as an afterthought. I think one day I’d like to own the keyboard version to get the “full experience”, but for now I will take the $2k in my pocket. Thanks for the honest, detailed review man! Made me feel better about my decision

Wow, this is my first time seeing this synthesizer, what a crazy interesting machine.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

It really is unique in whats being made these days.

Best part of the Super 6 for me is how gorgeous the filter FM and crossmod sound. You can discover the most delicious sweet spots by dialing in both of them together. You can also put DDS2 in Sync mode, which makes the crossmod behave more linearly and musically. You have additional FM and filter FM options if you put LFO1 into high frequency mode. It’s really an audio rate modulation playground.

Hi Jorb! Great review. I was considering this thing this week. Lag would drive me nuts, even very tiny lag. Thanks for your report. I'll stay tuned to news about it and probably pick up a JX-10 ;) Happy music-making! Cheese, Glenn

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I suspect it will be addressed in future firmware!

@Bananskuden

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, that lag thing. It's definitely a deal breaker for me too.

@glenesis

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear I'm looking forward to it. This synth is a beast!

Binaural PWM via LFO1 just announced in new firmware, releasing this Friday

Great video, Jorb! I really appreciate the no-nonsense, straight-to-the-point vibes of this. I'm still kinda drooly at the binaural sound capabilities since my work is kinda entirely stereo field / quadraphonic based, but hearing from folks that the Rev2 is also capable of those tones has me wondering what my options are. If the Deepmind could be a 6 voice binaural synth I think it'd be the perfect box, but Idk.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

Deepmind ~sort of can! Unison 2 pairs 2 voices, then the mod matrix has a source for unison voice. And *I'm pretty sure* you can offset the phase of polyphonic lfo's in there as well.

I work with FPGAs. DDS stands for Direct Digital Synthesizer. It's one of those things that's pretty much trivial to do with an FPGA, but very difficult to do with a traditional computer. I was working on an oscillator that would use a DDS chip at the heart of a wavetable oscillator. Probably would have been easier to do the whole thing in an FPGA!

Love this synth. I'm a sweet-spot synth kind of guy. Love its unique timbres, etc. I agree it could be stronger/more intuitive and a screen (even just a ob6/p6 style screen) would've been really great. Still, daaaamn does it SOUND and FEEL great.

UDO today fixed the problem you mentioned with the immediacy of the faders. And implemented the promised MPE and added binaural PWM.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

Yup, video coming today

Fabulous synth. Both access virus and Udo are my two combo synths these days.

I don’t know why but your voice is very calming and you make dope content, just saying I appreciate your feedback and videos

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I appreciate that, thanks for watching

I love the super 6. I purchased my keyboard unit a bought a month ago. I’ve never had so much fun and lost so much time playing a synth. While the functionality is not as expansive as some of the other polysynths available in this price category, everything it does feels perfect to me. It’s such a fun instrument to play due to how easy is it to throw around the faders and create wild shifts in sonic character. I was trying to decide between one of these and the polybrute. I saw so many people chose the polybrute over the super 6 but I’m very glad I went with the super 6!

@ArkaHtun

Жыл бұрын

I feel the same way as you , nothing sounds as good to my taste .

@omarpx23

Жыл бұрын

Fully agree, there is nothing that sounds like it

I love these switch caps for buttons on gear. Definitely underused nowadays

@SonicVibe

Жыл бұрын

Kinda like on the Erica Synths Perkons HD-01 Drum Machine and Rhythm Synthesizer

@NikoNoxious

Жыл бұрын

@@SonicVibe which is what I want the most, right after this....man. maybe there is something to the switches 😂😂 also both hybrid designs using analog filter

Wow. Your perspective is a refreshing take on Super 6. Fader latency is something that I’ve never seen mentioned. Did others not notice? Thanx for a deep dance with UDO.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I think it's part of a recent update, and certainly can change soon

@modeswitching

Жыл бұрын

It’s something that has been brought up recently on the forums, and George seems open to changing the smoothing constants to make them more responsive. The problem is that there needs to be a smoothing algorithm applied to translate MIDI’s 0-127 scale to the high resolution of the parameters. I’m not sure why this would affect the controls, but it sounds like it will be improved soon.

@dr.feelicks2051

Жыл бұрын

@@modeswitching ✌️🤞

Jorb you are the best. Im learning on my Minilogue XD like you recommended.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

Hell yeah, appreciate that

I have several synths you mentioned in this review (Polybrute, Hydrasynth). I also have had the S6 desktop for several months. I think your assessment is very reasonable. It's a sweet spot synth for musicians more than a technical synth for designers, creators, and synth nerds, but still lovely. It's also a beautiful showpiece.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I hope to get my hands on the polybrute soon, it seems like the best fit for me. I did appreciate the hydrasynth as well, but it didn't seem to have much of its own identity, in my opinion. Just good, complex sounds.

@chrisstaubyn774

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear the complexity is the identity. The flexibility is what makes it a top-rated synth, IMO. The Polybrute has flexibility and less linear behavior. You may love it more. They're both the last synths I would part with if I was forced to sell off my collection.

@kaitlyn__L

3 ай бұрын

Feeling called out here 😅 I _do_ enjoy flexibility in sound design but, especially for hardware rather than software, I care much more about having a distinctive sound and good playability to justify taking up space and money. Just like how I have a real saxophone and a real guitar, and I'm 100% satisfied that they only sound like themselves. The Super 6 also always sounds "like itself" across the wide range of patches, and I love that for it. So yeah, "a sweet spot synth for musicians" is certainly accurate!

One thing this (and quite a few other synths) is missing is some kind of customizable macro-mod knob or fader, which gives a massive boost to the performability. That's one of the many design decisions that the Hydrasynth gets right, with its 8 macro knobs.

I bought this synth when it first came out and I still love it. I’m still a bit put off by some of the intricacies and complexity of the layout. I understand that UDO wanted to focus on using two hands to teak the sounds live, and as such rather than a ‘left-to-right’ layout you almost have to think about that as two halves side by side. Beyond that though, KZread doesn’t do the sounds justice. It just sounds so huge. Expensive yes, but still wholeheartedly recommended.

That’s a dang good lookin synthoscissor

Great review. The term premium means different things to different people. To many it means higher quality faders/switches/circuit components, SMB/IC/DSP(FPGA) build on higher layer PCBs, and a rugged housing. To a few it means discrete through hole and LOTS of shielding which, if used here, would at least double the price. (Maybe call that "super-premium"?) For me Polybrute is a masterpiece which would pull me in before this if ever getting a fixed architecture poly. Still, I do feel this is a great synth and would take it all day every day over anything from Sequential/Oberheim, Waldorf, Roland, Yamaha (though FMX is pretty swank IMHO), or Moog save Matriarch which is a different animal anyway.

Ah, Geoff, I bought my Virus Indigo from him back in the day. Not surprised he is distributing these.

great technical review. I'll stick with my Summit for as long as I can. btw, did you go to Iowa State (the mug)?

Damm, I really want to love this synth. Hearing this and also reading many users thoughts definetly makes me doubt it. I have an oberheim 6 and a Rev 2.. Been thinking this would be a cool one next to these. Any opinions? thanks for a great review

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

🙏🙏

Wow, the price is steep, indeed. I've been eyeballing this synth for a while and had no idea that they'd release a desktop version. It's a shame that the price is pretty much the same as the FS

I had not heard anything previously about the input delay for "what feels like all" parameters, as you put it. Super 6 has been pretty much at the top of my list for a digital oscilator core/analogue VCF and VCA polysynth for a while, but that lack of immediacy is disheartening. no matter, I can wait and see what, if anything, can be done about this.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I imagine it will be addressed in future firmware.

@ArkaHtun

Жыл бұрын

This smoothing was introduced in the latest firmware 0.30 .. and I can speak for george the maker ,as I spoke with him about this just a day ago, and you can hear him say in interviews , the firmware updates are steered by the feedback from the users on the support forum . And I think this is being addressed . I personally tryed os 0.30 last night for the first time , I’ve had my keyboard for over a year , and for my style of playing I didn’t notice . How ever this video shows it in a way you can see it .. I think firmwares in the future will change from users wishes .. but as george says , you can’t please everyone and they have to go with the votes of the majority , so users make it known what you want ..

@IOSISDRONE

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear do you know what firmware you were using when you made the video?

Thanks for the review Jorb! Trying to decide between this or the GS e7. Like them both; I realize they are both different. Which one do you think is more immediate? Which one do you like better and why? Thanks your video of this as well as the e7. Nicely done!

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

If the prices dont make the difference to you, I'm more into the super six. More immediate is pretty close, they both have all the controls right out there

@jfishnotes9177

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear thanks Jorb!

I had a Super 6 but returned it which was a tough decision. The UDO sounds great but complex patch creations are difficult to grasp due to the missing display. I strongly recommend looking into the Waldorf M as an alternative! It has the same analogue filter as the Super 6 but on top of that all the digital filters from the Microwave XT with a far more powerful wavetable synthesis and a more comprehensive synth structure and multitimbrality. PPG style patches are also a lot more accurate. You don't get the binaural structure but the pros of the M clearly outweigh the cons compared to the Super 6 imho...

@kylew706

4 ай бұрын

I feel like the super 6 and M are totally different though. I have an M and I love it, but I’m thinking about selling it for a super 6 😂. It’s the only module I have and I strongly prefer keyboard versions. But back to my point, the wavetables are static in the super 6 aren’t they? While the whole point of the M is the modulation of wavetables. I guess it depends on what you’re looking for. The super 6 seems to be more bread and butter while the M seems to be more unusual and edgy.

@LousyFacelift

4 ай бұрын

@@kylew706 Yes, I agree. They are quite different from eachother after all, despite having the same filter and other similarities. The Super 6 has a nice kind of overdrive on it though to keep the sound from thinning out when turning resonance up which was nice to have. That gives it a bit of a different character. In the end the dfference was more than I expected. You can get similar results but the M has clearly a different approach to synthesis overall and is more of a specialist for classic early digital sounds with its asic bug feature and PPG related waves. The Super 6 sounds a lot more modern and smoother in a way. I think you can modulate wavetables in the Super 6 somehow (usually through a PWM setting) but I don't have it anymore so I can't check. I'd say the M has its focus on classic wavetable synthesis and the Super 6 on (hybrid) VA sound design.

not only does the layout & sound attract me but it reminds me of my very first synth, the jp8000, i do prefer sliders for adsr then knobs, just makes more sense for my brain

Fair review with warts and all. It's fantastic, but it's far from perfect. I think I drew various similar conclusions in my "five polysynths.." video last year. I was slightly lost with the LFO 1 mod conversation. You said it can't modulate both oscillators, but it can, at least on the keyboard. Or was this about binaural outcomes rather than general pitch? Sorry if I misunderstood. I do really love the Super 6. It has sound to it and that's important and it is probably the best built synth I own, really solid and smooth. What's exciting is that this is UDO's first synth as a company. Just imagine where it goes from here.

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

Good and fair assessment, I know the sliders are smaller than the keyboard ones, does the lag really detract from live playability? Jorb said there was 5 frames of delay, I haven't checked what his frame rate is in his recording, so it could be 24 FPS w/5fps delay as 200 ms delay, 50 fps w/5fps delay 100ms delay and 60 fps w/5fps delay 83 ms delay. As a gamer, I would find this jarring, almost unplayable, so how does it affect live interaction?

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

Much appreciated, I agree the sound is wonderful and it feels great, which is the end of many conversations. The LFO stuff, yes! Sorry if that wasn't clear, in the binaural mode, the pitch of DDS 1 doesn't respond to any L/R phase differences of LFO 1, just behaves like one LFO. Not a huge deal, and maybe my expectations were too high but it surprised me to find that limitation. I think that's absolutely the right way to look at it; "just imagine where it goes from here" in regards to continuing support for this instrument, or eventually more of a product line.

@ArkaHtun

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace if your on the fence , join the support forum and follow the thread .. it’s all changable with code , so I guess if enough people really want it changed it will be .

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

@@ArkaHtun Oh not on the fence, just simply a synth I cannot afford but can appreciate what it can do.

@samuelmartin8326

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear I think the binaural capabilities are overblown as a feature. I haven’t yet managed to usefully use it in a way that is obviously beyond what other synths can do. That said the synth is very musical and very useable and it’s an instant classic in my eyes. Good review.

Great review, I hope the guys over at UDO are watching this

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

They did, and a lot of my small complaints were addressed in the new update!

Nice video! Is your oscilloscope showing both left and right channels of the synth? Or what are the upper and lower part showing?

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

Left and right yeah

The weirdest thing about the Super 6 is the volume - by far the quietest synth I own even after the firmware update increased it. Makes it weirdly frustrating to use - through my UAD interface it needs 15-20db more gain to get a decent signal.

damn i like it.

My name is Mikkel, and i love this channel,-

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

lol, welcome

Your conclusion is really interesting. I would see it completely the other way. The more I'm paying the more I want it to be specific and focused, and maybe a bit idiosyncratic

Coolest aesthetic

If you like the Super 6, wait until you get your hands on a Super Gemini. Hands down, my favourite synth ever!

I loved this synth at first and really wanted one, but it feels overpriced and I feel like synths are so good now, you don't have to spend this much. Random (but on the modulation topic) - think you will get your hands on an 0-Coast?

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

Agree on that, its great but steep. No specific plans! I would love to try one if the opportunity comes up, though

@lo-firobotboy7112

Жыл бұрын

I agree. It's a beautiful looking synth and I love the choices they made with the switches, knobs and colours. That said, you could buy an equally beautiful vintage instrument for the same price, possibly less.The keyboard version is $4000 - $5000 here in Canada. You could get a Juno 60 and still have $2500 leftover for a second JUNO, a nice laptop, or a whole studio full of Behringer instruments. I Love the look and feel but cannot justify the price. Also hearing that the digital interface underneath the sliders has a built-in lag is a definite deal-breaker.

I wanted this, but the hydra is still checking off a lot for me to the point I'm starting to focus on building a small modular system.

@joshuamorganmusic

Жыл бұрын

The hydrasynth is the best🤘no real need for anything else. They knocked it outta the ballpark!

@RikMaxSpeed

Жыл бұрын

Hydra sounds very harsh and digital compared to this. Yes it has many brilliant features, but I sole mine ultimately because the sound didn’t gel with me.

@joshuamorganmusic

Жыл бұрын

@@RikMaxSpeed yeah, the FPG oscillators do have a ‘warmer’ tone but the hydra can be very organic and ‘warm’ as well. It just excels at the harsh wavetable sound and it’s super easy to make a patch that’s cold and metallic.

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

@@RikMaxSpeed HS is one of the most over rated WT synths in a long time, the fact you can get the same engine in the Explorer as you can in the Deluxe says a lot about the worth of the engine. I prefer my Blofeld over the HS that I too sold. I made 1 track with the HS, it took me a ton of time to try to fit it in with my analog gear, it just is too front and forward with its presence. By itself it sounds fine, just when you try to fit it in a mix, it can get tricky depending on what you pair it with. Personally I think the HS and S6 are in 2 different playing fields, the S6 can do so much more and do it with character imo.

@ToyKeeper

Жыл бұрын

@@joshuamorganmusic Yeah, the Hydrasynth is pretty fantastic. It takes more skill to use than a knob-per-function analog synth, because it doesn't really have a character of its own... it's more of a chameleon, and requires the user to dial in character manually. But it can do just about anything. Whenever the user asks, "Can it do this?", the answer is almost always "yes". Plus, it's relatively inexpensive and has great performance controls. But it gets a bad rap sometimes because its lack of character means patch creation takes longer than it would on other synths. Like, on a modern Prophet, if it sounds too "digital", just turn the "vintage" knob and it'll suddenly sound organic. Or on the Super 6, just press a button or flip a switch. But on a Hydra, it takes more time and more expertise. So a lot of Hydra reviews seem to have a common theme. It's a bit like someone eats meals from a restaurant, and heard kitches are good and cheap, so they tried to make food in a kitchen... but failed to cook something tasty, and gave kitchens a negative review. I can relate though. I often don't want to spend hours cooking up new patches from scratch... I just want to pull a preset out of the pantry for a quick snack so I can get on with my day. Because in those moments, I'm focused on song composition, not patch design. Every once in a while, I'll spend a day cooking up patches to store in the freezer for later use... but most days, I use the keys a lot more than the knobs. But that's another reason I like the Hydra. With its macro knobs, each patch can be heavily tweakable with almost no effort, so I just need to find a patch which is sort of close to what I want, then tweak a little to make it fit the song.

The Waldorf Kyra does a lot of binaural things that you hoped the Super 6 would (especially binaural / quadrature LFOs that create beautiful relationships between modulations across the stereo field), and uses FPGA for direct digital synthesis as well. I think Kyra's digital filters sound good, but like the commenter below I think Waldorf's M is a pretty perfect combination of FPGA + analog filters. Kyra has been largely overlooked since its launch, which is a shame, because it is a phenomenally powerful and sonically impressive synthesizer. Worth playing with one if you can get your hands on it - 8-part multitimbrality with 128-voice polyphony on such a powerful synthesis engine is pretty amazing.

The summit and peak have fpga oscillators too

Thanks for your view on this, up front I’m aware I’m definitely not it’s target market - aside from too much money for me - I hate synths with no display! I don’t have the seeming modern phobia of “ menu diving “ it seems to be missing few things that I think should be there for the price ( you mention the non simultaneous waveforms)... I also happen to think it’s a clunky design and err...really ugly 😱. BUT does sounds awesome and great for the right person I’m sure...

My thoughts are: sounds great, but when placed in a rack, you must use angled cables for EVERYTHING and with 7U it's WAY too big. I think I'll rather buy something from Black Corporation that's 4U or the Melbourne Instruments Nina with 5U.

I love the udo stuff so much🤤 Edit: I also can't imagine spending that much though lol. The binaural thing always seemed like a gimmicky word to me, but I didn't mind because I love the sounds and styles they go for. I appreciate how truthful your videos are man!🙌

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

Binaural = super room filling STEREO

It looks like a broadcast video switcher from 1996! But sounds much much better than that.

crazy that the alpha Juno is also fpga based oscillator from 1985

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

oh is it? interesting

thanks for this. i have been lusting over one of these for a while but the flaws you pointed out would piss me off into selling it if i had one

I won’t lie, I wouldn’t mind one of these. Sue me! (I do have a Polybrute though, so can’t complain).

Field programmable Gatorade?

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

Correct

JORB

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

LUKE

I was really excited for this thing when we first started hearing about it just because I'm a big sucker for stereo manipulation stuff. That being said it doesn't seem like this has any major advantages over the Novation summit, in fact according to your video it has some pretty big disadvantages, which leads me to wonder why anyone would want to spend the money on this. Cool design and I like to support small companies but I really think the price point hurt its potential

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

You know very little about this synth and compare it to a Summit? LOL Stick with John's channel, where both of you keep talking in circles.

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

It literally feels like an aesthetic choice to buy this synth because of how many disadvantages there are in comparison to the summit. If anything they probably should have gone for trying to clone the Roland filters since that’s the only thing they’d have over novation and Roland of course hehehehe……

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

@@JENewJazzPerspective1 stick to John's channel, where you run other channels down.

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace johns channel doesn’t run others down like what world do you live in are you uhhhhh dumb ….. or like what

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace your also the one tryna get mad at kiko who does a great job reviewing synths so you obviously are just lost good luck ahahhahahahaha

They (UDO) should really fix that lag and write an editor software. I believe the latter in their todo list.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I suspect the lag will be addressed!

I enjoy it so much that you giggle when you complain about something.

Would like to hear your thoughts on the Summit

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I'd love to try it or the peak!

I feel like going the FPGA route is the future, just no one has figured out how to do it right yet.

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

Super-6 did it right.

the price is very high!

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

Small startup company.

I wonder what they will go for used in the distant future.

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

More than they do now.

@thedeepblueskys

Жыл бұрын

@@SPAZZOID100 most likely the case with this one.

So much gear and so little money. What about some tutorials about how to enhance one's budget to be able to afford more gear? :-)

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I have a whole series on what to buy instead of more expensive things!

@michaelm1

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear Oh, in that case, I'm all over it. Cheers!

I was considering selling my Polybrute and getting a UDO6. After watching this and then playing one. Defo keeping the Polybrute.

I want to like this synth so bad but I’ve only seen maybe two demos that sounded anywhere near exciting enough to justify the price

@christdolphin69

Жыл бұрын

I think the Waldorf m would be a smarter choice (and way cheaper via thomann)

Before I write anything else: I spoke with developer and LFO as a MOD source, level cross-mod between oscillators and delay freeze will come in soon via FW update. Now, while I can understand your point, what are the sources you want to modulate with LFO 1 SO BAD that you can't now? Entire upper panel can be modulated with LFO that , aside from binaural, can be also of a complex waveform "borrowed" from DDS1, as well as audio rate - drone or tracked! How much more modulation can a patch take if you modulate entire upper row with a complex waveform in audible range? The fact that "it costs premium so I can criticize" - I don't feel it tbh. I got my Super 6 a year ago, ( I have Jupiter 6 Juno 106 and Alpha Juno 2) with expectations of a clone - it actually turned out to be one of the boldest new synths out there. Binaural aside (!), using FPGA is extremely bold choice, and smart one too. adding it to analogue signal flow, and adding all these features - it really makes for something else. I also have Prophet 10, OB6, REV2 (just so it's clear, these synths pay off as I am making living out of production for 30 years almost) , and except REV2 and its crazy modulation options, I haven''t seen a synth with so much immediate control that can also modulate everything so quickly . My impression of Super 6 was modular in a poly suit. Yes , slight offset of parameter/slider is a bit of a grit, but not a deal breaker. Definitely Super 6 is in my top 3 used polis, and probably in top of 3 my fav poly synths of new era - Prophet 10, OB6 and this one. On the topic of price and premium - do you know how long it took for Moog to fix oscillator callibration on Moog One? Synth of 8 k £? I feel a little bit weird hearing all this negative stuff bout Super 6 and you are extensivelly using - Deepmind. Yes, you are spoiled:) you young'uns. Want to see everything. You did not mention detachable envelopes either. a smooth delay. Bah. You made me angry! :)

@LordoftheBadgers

Жыл бұрын

Hi mate - yeah I know your feeling on the s6 and I'm surprised at the nature of some of the comments elsewhere here. Not on this particular thread though. It's like being in camera forums years ago again... Ugh. Like. Don't like. So what! But quibbling over fixable features makes no sense to me.

@ArkaHtun

Жыл бұрын

Mate I here yah , I don’t own the premium analog polys synths that you do , but I’ve got moog sequential and Korg Yamaha analog mono synths , and a good few VA polys .. and the super 6 is my favourite . The experience is unique, I spent 40 hours 8n the first week of my owning it .. I a have a shit tonne of modular , I’m used to modulating the modulators , and I’m no way feel like I need more modulation on the super 6 . I do feel that if all the haters could own one , then they would soon pipe down . As for the price . I’m 50 an if I can’t get a beer a like , I’m not gonna be happy with two lesser beers end of .. if find most analog polys so dated . Too big to for in the mix . This thing is fresh , and for me the sound I was looking for ..

@earlsfield

Жыл бұрын

@@ArkaHtun I said when I tried it, after I sent Iridium back - this is modular in a poly shell - and a mate of mine asked how do I mean. Well, you have oscillator that can play classic and complex waveforms. you have lfo that can also be an oscillator, with complex waveforms and still modulate stuff. You have DDS 2 that turns into LFO if you want. You can modulate entire top panel cross - plus you have matrix. You can even modulate delay time. You can detach envelopes from amp and filter and use them as complex lfo's (something Jorb didnt think of mentioning). There are just so many things in this machine that anyone who uses modular will recognise. On top of that many classic poly inspirations. It doesnt matter what synths you have mate, they do more less the same thing , except synths like this - that are designed boldly and step into unknown teritory. Even the looks, both blue and black, without oak panels make it look retro but top notch. And honestly this one hjas nothing to do with Jupiter 6, for all of you who wanna know.

@ArkaHtun

Жыл бұрын

@@earlsfield I just loaded the latest wavetables , and got lost with a patch for an hour on the first one I picked 16 . Man those looping envelopes ,I loved them so much I bought the soundforce dual envelope , which is two of those , and you can mode all the stages with cv . So that feature I really love about the super 6 . Your right , you can modulate the crap out it .. it’s defo a keeper for me .

@earlsfield

Жыл бұрын

@@ArkaHtun i have custom waves I made for my Pro 3 and PPG-original stuff. While you can’t scan, I don’t even care - i love taking noise - like waves and copying that to the lfo, and then go crazy with modulation. Take a complex waveform and slowly modulate pitch, filter, and even super dds - man, what a machine. As for the envelopes, I think thats the most ignored utility ever - because people know how to use them only in a conventional way mostly, not like lfos. Take cycling envelope, detach it from the filter and modulate say, other envelope (recursive mod), or go bonkers with pitch and inverse envelope, then loop it, sooo many options. Or apply envelope to the delay. Or take LFO1, copy complex waveform from dds1, some nice custom (or even factory one, those organ like ones are super cool for slow mod), then keep LFO1 in HF range and drone it say to 7th in respect of the dds1 pitch, and on top of that cross mod filter and dds 2 pulse width, c moooon. So many great options to get lost in this machine, I get you. I also have bunch of modules and that is why I am convinced UDO did this deliberately, to appeal to the modular crowd too.

It obviously sounds good, but you can just about get two Peaks for the price of one Super Six desktop. Especially with the rudimentary effect of the Udo it just seems way overpriced. But hey if you have the moneys.

@jasonmedina4560

Жыл бұрын

Yes! I’m surprised that neither Peak nor Summit have been featured on this channel. They’re highly versatile, relatively affordable, and great sounding. Maybe I missed it?

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

@@jasonmedina4560 I haven't had either on the channel! I have tried the summit at conventions and it always impresses

Who would want and accept a 200ms delay / latency when changing parameters? I wouldn't even want that on a software product. Let alone on a hardware premium (priced) product.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

Its smoothed relative to how fast its changed, my choice of demonstration is probably as bad as it could be. Plus I imagine it will change soon.

@MultiMam12345

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear I cant imagine this is a design descision. Hopefully its not a technical limitation because that would be a total dealbreaker no matter how great it is.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

@@MultiMam12345 it is a design choice, wasn't in earlier firmware versions. Just a bit too aggressive as it stands

Nice video. I recently got the non keyboard version and I am not as wow'd as I expected to be. Build is wonderful and the binaural is unique but that is kind of where it ends for me. I feel like a Novation Peak is a better choice if you want a small footprint, quality sound quality and versatility. I say Peak because I am comparing no keyboard to no keyboar. The Summit blows the Super Six out of the water. Not even close for all the Summit offers. Last, and this could just be me, but when I first sat down with the UDO, the interface just makes little sense. When I have tried the Peak and Summit, yes, there is a little learning curve, but I was able to get playing quickly. Oh, the "fx" on the UDO are just silly. I say silly because at this price, I expect quality and features at every stage of the product. The fx on the UDO are featureless and should have been left off or at least take the delay off and really work with options and features for the chorus. I have no experience with the UDO keyboard version, so cannot speak to that at all.

@davidallred991

Жыл бұрын

Plus one on the peak, I think it is probably my favorite of my synths. I have two Keystep Pros and a MODx 8 so I only like to get desktop synths with no keyboard, and currently I think the Peak is the best. I would be really interested in a desktop version of the Take 5 if they launch one.

@blindianajones

Жыл бұрын

@@davidallred991 Good idea about the Take 5. I have considered the Prophet 6 module many times but not sure about the price is worth it. Do you like the Yamaha? Does it have sounds for the cs80 in it? And does it hav any piano? Id like to have a synth, piano and cs80 all in one.

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@blindianajones the prophet 6 is more worth it than any other synth on retail unless you wanna get ob6, prophet 5/10

@blindianajones

Жыл бұрын

@@JENewJazzPerspective1 I think the Korg Prologue 16 is hands down the best value for its sound and features.

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@blindianajones yeah if it actually had a full digital fx bypass like sequential it would be great and I would have one right now really which they’d fix it !!!

For the price you can get the Prophet 12 that did digital analog hybrid great. It has a nice screen and a perfect modulation matrix interface. No screen is a deal killer, and those delayed sliders is terrible. 😆 Otherwise I'm not interested in digital synths these days, for that price I want full analog.

They still should have made a screen with save mode. It’s a modern synth.

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

Doesn’t need it.

While it looks like a great synth in many aspects, I think the Binaural part is mostly just marketing. Many bi-timbral synths let you pan each part left or right, so you could create slight variations of the same patch and pan them left and right for the same binaural effect. Even something like the DeepMind 12 can be "Binaural". Set up 2X Unison, route "Uni Voice" to "VCA Pan" in the Mod Matrix and dial in some Unison Detune. You can use the "Uni Voice" source to target multiple other parameters to create further variations between left and right, and the Phase option in the LFO menu can be used to skew the phase of the LFO differently between left and right.

@earlsfield

Жыл бұрын

totally wrong. I have Super 6 and say, REV 2 which can "pan" ,but binaural is not a gimmick and Super 6 is unique thing out there.

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

@@earlsfield I don't think most people understand what Binaural is, it is 2 mono sources, where as stereo generally is a mono source panned. With synths you have much better control over your oscillator in binaural than you do with panning. To call binaural a gimmick, people really do not understand what is at play here. There is a massive troll who was on a live stream, who dismissed binaural as some stereo fad or something, but their knowledge is limited to asking questions like *does a Juno X sound as good as VA* ? Some people need to stop posting about subjects they know little about. 😉

@earlsfield

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace damn right but you know it is going to be the opposite- they gonna write the most about things they know nothing about. Let alone entire binaural theory and psychoacoustic, why stereo is stereo. There are complex binaural engines done for video games for instance, check “Papa Sangre “, where sound is 360 degrees - you think those guys would bother with binaural if thry could just copy paste two mono signals, done. And those “does x sound like y” …. Urgh. I am just tired of people with no knowledge calling out this example of bold innovation. And those that want Jupiter x - and pay premium price for a skeleton with ZEN (not even the best modeling Roland does) - and criticize this synth - I don’t need to comment.

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

@@earlsfield you hit the nail on the head, it's abt psycho-acoustics, 360 degree sound. Spatial aural sound. Whilst panning can do some things, it doesn't give you anything other than a x,y axis. Binaural is supposed to mimic your ears, the actual ear and diffused parts to allow for a proper 360 degree surround 3D immersive sound field. But But But I can pan in stereo? Lol. I just wonder how much in patch design the element of proper Binaural has gone. You would need a certain finesse with tweaking frequencies to try to mimic the ear as this isn't a recording but live, if this makes sense. I was a few years ago talking to some students who were doing their major on binaural recordings, how they were using material to mimic the ear in density, so the diffusion would allow for a proper playback of what we were hearing in real time. Given gaming specifically VR is using binaural 3D, this feature on the S6 is far from a gimmic.

@earlsfield

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace I work as video games producer/designer. binaural engines are waaaay far and while they are used in VR, ofc, they are used more and more instead conventional stereo. it is a time in which most of gamers use headphones, so these engines are built for phones only - simply because they don't wor as well on conventional stereo, or multichannel in any setup. Again, check out papa Sangre 2, its is ios game, there is no graphics, entire gameplay is just about binaural engine - and Sean Bean is the narator :)

3:50 oof... that's gross... For a lot of money too... @Jorb you should check out a Motas-6 if you have the chance, I think that would be right up your ally.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I suspect it may change in future firmwares!

@localhost4460

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear Yeah, but like, a Blip Blox doesn't do that...

You should try the Polybrute. When I bought it I was also considering the Super 6 but I finally went for the Polybrute. Even if the Polybrute is not truly binaural, you can make binaural effects by setting the two filters in parallel and modulate the panning mixers at the output of the filters. For the price I really think it’s a better synth overall.

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

Arturia’s oscillators are a bit thin. And the filter is harsh IMO.

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

@@SPAZZOID100 on anther channel, said poster has ran down this review. They're being disingenuous.

FPGA is just a technology to create relatively custom chip. From a completely custom chip designed on silicon, like an intel i7 you can go and buy chips that have logical elements, like a bunch of AND gates, to an array of transistors, and everything in between. It's for when you don't have enough need to justify a completely new chip like an i7, so you buy a lot of FPGAs, and you can "program" them once and they become final and do your algorithm. There's everything in between, you can buy chips that have more complex blocks already and you can customise the rest. t's not really "what they can do" it's just a technology to create chips cheaper in a smaller series. It's obvs slower then a DSP on silicon, but can be faster then a general chip, because it could be made to do one algorithm only, I don't know how much you are interested, if you are, let me know, my point is: it's not mythical, it doesn't have "a sound" or certain capabilities.

4:37 "Field programmable Gatorade"..

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

correct

It's a great synth, just too expensive here where I live *FIRST* (nice subliminal too). I get the synth, I really do, just that I can buy 2 very different synths for the asking of the Udo here and the worst part, there is only $300 difference from the desktop to the keyboard. It's totally and utter bee eeess. Someone is taking a large chunk bringing them here, so just no way ever now or in the future unless they drop a ton. I think they're like 1K over priced compared to US $, this is $ conversion and import duties etc, inline with other gear pricing vs US. This is the price of a P5 here. EDIT (disclaimer I might be wrong but i never am), I checked pricing and it seems I was a little off, BUT the desktop is 4K here, the keyboard $229 more, now that's beee eessss

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

1 thing I will add abt the desktop with the sliders as they are, you can maneuver them like a desk, whilst possibly not being a desired effect, you can do more with sliders than you can with knobs, technically you can tweak 2 knobs at a time, sliders, well you can move as many as you can lay your hands on at once, and they don't have to be linear either, I'll explain. You can have your hand at an angle and sort of twist it so the slider in the palm moves slower than at finger tip and you basically just rotate your hand. That's 4 sliders with 1 motion at different speeds. 2 hands makes 8. Will it work? erm probably give you some really weird outcomes BUT the point is, sliders are more hand friendly, and they seem closer to each other than the keyboard version. Shame I will never get to try this out. :/

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

Lol after my explanation 1:45 shows you doing the most basic of slide but 3 sliders I think.

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace no one in the u.s really gets to try this because it’s not even in guitar center I mean your defending a product your not in the market for so now I know why your opinions seem incomplete…

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

@@JENewJazzPerspective1 I'm defending a product? I have already posted it's too expensive and you call this me defending it because something something abt Guitar center doesn't stock them? What a funny observation, incorrect, but funny none the less.

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace uh not rlly your the one telling kiko to get off jorbs channel so go back to preschool it’s like please just realize your not making yourself seem that smart

I realized very early that its just a sexy looking synth with a not so sexy price tag. Lack of features and just something off with it that made me skip on this one.

Poor George Hearn gets so much flack. People never criticise Roland, Yamaha, Sequential etc as much. Those lagging controls are INTENTIONAL, not some design fault. It makes playing it so much better - just try it. LFO mod is covered in the newest firmware. Those (now 32) waves are single cycle, not a sweepable wavetable. Many resemble static Hydrasynth/PPG sounds.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

The controls are changed in the newest update, its clear that they thought the smoothing was too aggressive too. Besides that, people absolutely do criticize the big companies. Roland gets cranked all the time, so do the others.

@bilonggrisimmeri

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear As a customer, I'm on UDO Audio Forum email, so received the news after my comment above. In fact that new OS v0.52 to be released tomorrow (Friday). I was thinking, UDO may ultimately offer a choice of OS for different kinds of synth behaviour. I'm more a Minimoog/Sequential/CS-80 kind of player, so don't need to make atonal industrial chainsaw stuff. Believe me, if you've not read UDO User Forum, there are a huge number of features requests. I need to check similar forums of Roland/Korg/Sequential etc, to see if you are correct.

Super 6 in a nutshell: It would have been, like, the best thing *ever* in the 80s. And it's still a very good instrument today, with some really cool features. But compared to other modern items in its price class, it seems to be missing some pretty significant stuff. So it's fun to use, but hard to justify buying, even as a desktop module... because for around the same price or less, one could get an Arturia Polybrute, Novation Summit, ASM Hydrasynth Deluxe, Akai MPC Key, Waldorf Iridium, Yamaha MoDX, Sequential Rev2, Roland Juno X, a few Korgs, or lots of other things. Like, I got my Pro 3 + Force + Keystep + Decksavers + mixer + mic + stands, all brand new, for about the same price as a Super 6 Desktop. At a lower price though, the Super 6 could be much more tempting.

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

None of those synths sound like a Super-6 though.

@ToyKeeper

Жыл бұрын

@@SPAZZOID100 True, none sound exactly like it. But they're all analog-style subtractive poly synths, and there's a ton of overlap within the entire category. They're all capable of making a wide variety of good basses, leads, plucks, stabs, pads, brass, chiptune sounds, organs, flutes, arps, noise, drums, growls, sfx, etc, etc... a full suite of sounds to use for making music. The differences between the listed models are primarily about the interface and workflow, with sound being less distinctive. They're like a bunch of chameleons which can do pretty good imitations of each other, but operate in different ways.

High,

Much as everyone else seems to like this synth, I strongly dislike the sound of its oscillators which are just too cold and plasticky sounding.

Can’t cope with the fact of the really LOW Preset count for this "Flagship" synth. Not at that price. Is like they love to keep the worst features of the 80’s synth’s in the modern times. Ridiculous

Yeah I am more convinced than ever that the polybrute, summit/peak and anything from Sequential is way more legit. The udo feels like it has the workflow of something old but doesn’t sound nearly as big and even my mom who is not a synth nerd heard Binural and thought it was a joke. The modulation limitations are embarrassing for a device that is not fully analog and are the nail in the coffin for me!!

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

"Your mom heard Binaural and thought it was a joke?" is your technical assessment of an industry standard? Welp internets, we have now read it all, his *mom* disproves.

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

Is this what you posted on John's channel? James Bell 1 hour ago Also we have the jorb vid on the udo super six to watch ahahahhahahahahah this’ll be really something ^^ Wow just wow, I mean so you're gloating but trolling at the same time?

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace your literally slow I don’t care your arguing with me on a channel that has 17k subs like this is literally useless like why are you on synthpunks channel if you never watch and also you don’t know what I mean by that comment because you don’t talk to John directly, I actually do….

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace uh the common listener is more important than the synth community when it comes to actual music so maybe rethink your statement danke your actually slow

@JENewJazzPerspective1

Жыл бұрын

@@dankeplace like let me know when the common listener thinks about synth schematics your probably just a coin dexter and you’ll never be a true SYNTHPUNK

Really? Lagging pitchbend lol. I’ll pass.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I expect that to change in future firmware!

too much dollars. I will wait for the Budo super 12

The sounds can easily be done on a plug in that costs a tiny amount in comparison. Why are you spending money on stuff when you dont need to? Is it gear aquisition syndrome?

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

I like hardware. Also this is a loaner

@dankeplace

Жыл бұрын

Enjoy using the same repetitious bland mouse input, unless you have a controller and then add the screen and PC, w/e OS you're using. So you're saying that a plug in can match this as an interactive piece of hardware? Highly doubt.

@ArkaHtun

Жыл бұрын

I’d challenge you to hear music made in a daw with the plugin of your choice vs someone who can play this synth ..I think the difference would be palpable .. read Alex balls comments , I think he qualifies as a good authority

@crochambeau

Жыл бұрын

It is no doubt amazing things can come out of a DAW. That said, I prefer the ability to make and record music without a computer being powered up - as it removes from my consciousness a potential attention drain.

@SPAZZOID100

Жыл бұрын

Vst’s last about 6 years. And none sound like the Super-6.

It’s Pretty but highly over priced.

Where’s the fucking sounds man

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

In the vid king

This guy again 🙄 - stopped watching him when he got silly trying to tell me a new digital Yamaha with the build quality of a Kinder Suprise Teenie Terrapin was a better investment then a constantly appreciating in value Rhodes piano... Anyway goodbye not interested in this silly hipster channel.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

You must be thinking of another guy

@ushnicyuvnikof2748

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear It was you advertising the Yamaha Reface CP.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

@@ushnicyuvnikof2748 you must have me mixed up with someone else

@ushnicyuvnikof2748

Жыл бұрын

@@JorbLovesGear But Jorb anyone who types "Jorb Yamaha Reface CP" into KZread will see you advertising the CP like your Truman Burbank's wife claiming its better then a Rhodes.

@JorbLovesGear

Жыл бұрын

@@ushnicyuvnikof2748 no, that's another guy

Re: sluggish controls, firmware update v0.52 just landed: www.udo-audio.com/media/support-items/Release_Notes_v0.52.txt "Superior responsiveness of all controls for more immediate playing experience. Try it: - Interact with the fader and rotary controls on the instrument and feel the improvement. Pitch Bender, rotary as well as toggle switches have all been subject to dynamic enhancement. Delay time sweep dynamics much improved. Also great for automations."