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I’ve been wearing a Seagull 1963 almost daily for 9 months. No issues. Paid $169 on eBay. Can’t complain at all.

I owned a few Heuer chronographs back in the 1970's and had nothing but trouble with them (consistently). Somehow now they are considered high end chronographs. They are not. I owned a Rolex Divemaster - it was okay and never had difficulties - but it kept horrible time in my opinion. My Omegas were okay - but truthfully, my lower cost watches I buy on a lark tend to be my favorites! I've owned several of the Seagull 1901 movements and (for the most part) I'm not disappointed. Potentially, you can have difficulties with ANY watch and higher cost sometimes does not relate directly to value. Yes, luxury watch parts are more polished and pretty - on the inside - but unless it has a display back (exhibition case-back) you never actually see IT. I realize people like to criticize watches from China, but that is not always warranted.

@pauloplenostracko

5 ай бұрын

" I've owned several of the Seagull 1901 movements and (for the most part) I'm not disappointed. " : what are do doing when you are disappointed by one ? repair ? sell it for parts ?

@Jubal.Harshaw

5 ай бұрын

@@pauloplenostracko I had one repaired and the repairman didn't every charge me because he only said he would 'look' at it. The problem was a misaligned part which when pushed back into place caused the mechanism to work perfectly. If I am not pleased with ANY watch for any reason I tend to sell it. Like I said, the Seagull ST1901 movements usually work with a fair degree of accuracy. But, sometimes they jump a little bit. It isn't as sophisticated as say a Valjoux 7750 (ETA) movement - but it is still a reliable and classical design which can fit into a variety of watches. That being said, mechanical watches have a lure for me. I appreciate the work and effort of design put into them. They are delicate 'children' I enjoy taking care of and coddling a little. With quartz watches (by contrast) I just plug and play - slap on and go. For me, watches consist of three primary aspect components: 1. Internal mechanism - what makes it go; 2. the overall look and function of the watch design itself; and finally 3. any history or sentimentality connected with the watch - stories and social spirit. If any one of these disagree with me, I put it into my sell or trade list and I continue to hone my collection into my all time favorites the same way I do my play list of music: History, Design and Function. Appreciation comes in many forms.

I purchased a Sugess moonphase Master 426 last week and it has blown my mind! It is amazingly accurate and is only 3 seconds slow after a week on my wrist! For reference I bought a COSC Tissot last year and it was 10 seconds off everyday! This $200 Chinese watch beats all my swiss watches in accuracy. Thank you Sugess!

The criticism towards Chinese brand is surprising. Man what is the price, yet you compare it to hundreds of dollar rollers watches. And nobody criticize those expensive Western watches, the same way they criticize these affordable watch. This is pure political

@Makeit101

12 күн бұрын

Weird comment from someone who is pretty much ignorant regarding horological matters....No, fun and popular as it may be to say, not everything can be ascribed to politics.

@highwaystar3780

8 күн бұрын

My younger Son has it and it Didn't last very long . Maybe couple of yrs and Worn maybe Once a week.

An expert technician acquaintance of mine who knows these watches well tells me the issue's tend to revolve around the chronograph function. Basically he reckons either don't use it at all, or if you do, when you reset it make sure the chrono hand is at 12 o'clock. Apparently that minimises the significant shock through the movement which is what causes problems. The Venus movement upon which this is based suffered the same issue's, as did many early chronographs.

@LenHere

3 ай бұрын

That is very interesting feedback. I will be pinning this comment. Thanks for watching!

I have a homage speedy with the that movement and the same thing happened. What caused my issue was the start stop pusher was too long. Ground a little off and now works great.

Awesome! Keep it up ⚡️

@LenHere

11 ай бұрын

Thanks, kind words are always welcome here!!

I appreciate this video. I wouldn’t have known I have a watch guy in my hometown!

@LenHere

8 ай бұрын

What’s your home town???

@robertlock6041

5 ай бұрын

My wife brought one back from China for me, so I know that it's been well treated. It was certainly well packaged on delivery, so I'm hopeful that it will operate as intended. So far it's pretty good, and I love the way it looks...

Second time in the last month or so I have seen a similar video. I wonder if its caused by inadvertently applying pressure to both pushers at the same time with the back of your hand. Other thing I wondered about is, how old is the tooling? Could the tolerances be slipping. I like the look of the watch but can't see a use for it.

I was concidering this watch but i bought the baltany s205034 instead for a vintage chrono. The looks are better in my opinion and it has a seiko vk quartz inside which is 100 times more robust. Many times we get drown in the rabbit hole of watch geekiness and we lose the sence of reality. I discussed it with a friend who likes watches but is not a collector. I showed him the two watches and he said" well the baltany looks superb, the seagull is nice but not so much". - I said that i agree. He said " so why do you debate which one to buy?" I said the story and showed the movement. He said " it indeed looks really nice but how many times will you look at it? It is still on the back of the watch." This snapped me back to reality and i chose the watch that looks good and works at all times. Maybe in the future i'll come back to grab a watch with the st19 but for the moment i need each of my 10 watches to work and not sweat it.

Three thoughts. Your transition lenses and how dark that get in the sun is impressive. I have them in my glasses but yours look darker. I like that his answer was no. I agree. Given its a purpose built tool, it needs to be reliable at any price IMO. And last. Solid review. Enjoyed the video.

@LenHere

6 ай бұрын

Thanks for the kind words! My transitions suck for 10 minutes when I go inside, like wearing welding goggles…

I had that watch and had to return it pretty quickly However it didn’t put me off Chinese watches. I have several very reliable automatics with Japanese movements and a couple with Seagull movements.

Robust movement is indeed crucial especially if it is difficult to be sent back for service. Mechanical chronograph is fragile and high maintenance too, actually if one is unwilling to prepare for long term high service cost, just avoid it totally.

@LenHere

11 ай бұрын

There are LOTS of Chronographs that are very robust and last generations. Thanks for watching.

@JS-ev4xc

11 ай бұрын

@@LenHere Provided there are constant services done for every 5 years. Chronograph servicing charges are the highest among the various movements, not to forget. Servicing a Speedmaster each time can buy a decent Swiss made auto watch, Daytona is even more costly to service.

I recently bought one in China from seagull store, definitely different to all the ones people have showed on KZread, I’ll report back in 18 months, so far so good, only thing that’s weird for me is that when you pause the timer the needle goes back 1 second, not sure if that is normal or a fault with the watch…

@EdEditz

4 ай бұрын

That certainly doesn't happen with mine.

8:50 Got a similar problem yesterday, on an Alpha ST19 watch i bought broken a week ago ... this part is subject to "move outside of the bottow screw" when a shock occurs ? 🤔 🇫🇷 still searching for such non-working ST19 i buy (i'm a hobbyist so cannot sell prestations)

@claudedidebeek3772

7 ай бұрын

🙏

Thanks for the video, maybe I'll wait a bit with my purchase then. I enjoy this one and your other videos more at 1.25 speed though ;)

@LenHere

10 ай бұрын

I watch almost all videos at 1.5 or 2x...

@endresutus124

10 ай бұрын

@@LenHere I like to watch science stuff that my brain is only half capable to understand, there the normal speed is fine :) Most of the times I just want to enjoy what I see but sometimes when people speak a bit too slowly this feature is really great.

I just got mine in yesterday. i got the 38mm with saphire crystal and swan neck. That swan neck is a bit dodgy though. The screw in it doesn't even reach the lever on the balance wheel to set the timing. So I think a lot of short cuts were taken to get this movement out at such a low price but if you keep all that in mind when you buy one, there's no reason you can't be happy with your purchase. I certainly am and because I watched so many videos about watch repair lately I have started to build my own little workshop and I recently serviced my first mechanical watch. It was my late dad's watch and it's running again with 0.0ms beat error. ^___^ So if an issue like in this video occurs I'm pretty sure I can repair it myself as long as nothing is broken. But that is of course not an option for most of us. I would still advise, if you want one, buy one. For this money you won't go broke and many people have no issues with their Seagulls.

@julienfougere3439

3 ай бұрын

Can you recommend some videos/channels to watch in particular ? Thanks

@EdEditz

3 ай бұрын

@@julienfougere3439 Wristwatch revival is a really good channel and also Weekend Watch repair. You can learn a lot from those two alone.

@EdEditz

3 ай бұрын

I think this comment was providential because two days later I dropped my Seagull from 1 meter onto a carpet and still something broke. The balance wheel started rubbing against the cog for the minute hand and stopped the watch occasionally. I managed to get it running again just by poking around the cog wheel with a little screwdriver. I've been wearing the watch all week and it runs like a train.

I bought one an it got glitchy after a week or two. The main hand of the chronograph would stope and start and get sputtery as it went around the dial. I got it through Amazon and they accepted the return. It's a shame. It's a great looking watch.

Hi, is the back of this watch is screwed or just nested ? 🤔

Thank you! Love my Xmas haul of Seiko/TMI equipped NH35A Invicta Pro Diver and Tandorio field/pilot watches. I was thinking about the Sea-Gull 1963 or some other ST19 chronograph, but 150ish dollars is a LOT of money for me these days, actually always was. I've been on disability for 5 years, so there is no money left after monthly bills! I think I'll skip the ST19, as I already had my own so-so thoughts about it vs Seiko/TMI VK63 quartz chronos, and you made the final push into a 70 dollar VK63 homage! As long as there is a good calibre inside, the Chinese watches are actually VERY nice. My Pagani homage of the Newman Daytona is just neat and was under 50 bucks, which is crazy cheap 😀

To be honest I'm not that concerned about the movement failing. I have the Sugess Breitling Top Time homage with the ST1901 and it looks way better than a £150 watch should. I wear it in rotation and only use the chrono for amusement sometimes. If it breaks I might just replace the movement completely. It's throwaway money for a watch that looks way more interesting than a Seiko or Orient at that price point.

@LenHere

11 ай бұрын

I don't have throw away money.

@Jake-bt3fc

11 ай бұрын

@@LenHereyou don’t have mechanical chronograph money then, lol. Buy a quartz chrono.

I bought an Alpha speedmaster homage with this movement and the winding mechanism broke after a few months. It's still possible to partially wind the watch and it will run but it's obvious the qc in these Chinese factories is debatable.

@LenHere

9 ай бұрын

Homage watches are the worst...

@MichaelWilliams-mo1vv

9 ай бұрын

@@LenHere I can't understand why they're so popular with watch fans. They're usually made by newish companies with little experience of making watches. You cannot get any real satisfaction in owning a homage watch

@dimasakbar7668

7 ай бұрын

​@@MichaelWilliams-mo1vvsome of us love the look, but didn't really GAF about the branding, bragging rights, or prestige. Especially in models without exhibition caseback. Most of us also didn't have access to macro lenses. A lot simply like watch but are not blessed enough with that many disposable incomes.

@pauloplenostracko

5 ай бұрын

A good option is to sell the watch to hobbyists "locally" for parts or repair ... or ebay

i planned on buy this watch but after this video, it makes me rethink about it more than twice because 100 dollars here is a lot of money 😅😅😅😅 ..

@abstuli1490

11 ай бұрын

Even good mechanical movements can be plagued by unpleasant faults such as all versions of the ETA 2824 and all its clones including the Sellita SW200 are plagued by ratchet wheel teeth breaking when hand winding the watch.

Don't be down hearted at least it was repairable, it will now probably run for many years so you have plenty of time to save for the cost of a service😊. The 40mm looks great on your wrist. Can you tell me what size your wrist is because I have a large wrist 8.5 Inches and I've got this watch at the top of my Christmas list.

Same thing can just as easily happen to a Rolex, Breitling, Omega, or any other high-end watch. That fact it's assembled in China has absolutely no bearing on that. Only real differences between the high and low ends of the watch spectrum are the finish and the price. That's it!

@LenHere

11 ай бұрын

I wish that was true, but it’s just not. China mass produces hundreds of millions of watches per year with cheap, unskilled labor, while Rolex hand crafts 1 million watches per year from the hands of expert watch makers. They forge their own stainless steel and precious metals in their own foundry. The difference is GIANT.

@LeoBond

11 ай бұрын

@@LenHere Yeah, no Rolex movement has ever failed for seemingly no reason. You keep on living in that fantasy world dude! Meanwhile, my China made computer is 8 years old and still going strong. Besides, we're not talking about some cheaply made junk, we're talking about Sea-Gull made movements, which are as robust as anything Seiko ever produced.

@captvimes

10 ай бұрын

@@LenHere So you are telling me you never get a fault in a rolex seagull also forge their own parts they bought the toolings

@LenHere

10 ай бұрын

@@captvimes Are you literally going to argue that Seagull forges their own steel? Please provide proof...

@captvimes

10 ай бұрын

@@LenHere Are you literally telling me that forging your own steel make a difference, China makes most of the steel in the world now and it isnt rocket science.You have fallen for the marketing trying to justify the price. Rich mans toys.

I have the version with the acrylic crystal. The chrono hand flails when the chrono function is actuated with the watch head held vertically at a certain angle, but doesn't really bother me. Btw, the movement in mine looks much better than the one in your video. I didn't get mine cheap though.. around USD280 from the sole distributor here in Singapore.

Will those prpblems appear if you buy the oficial version of 500 or 600$?

@uraldy

4 ай бұрын

bro its same fucking movement.

@klching4741

3 ай бұрын

@@uraldyDifferent qc. It’s just like you can buy a $200 eta2824 clone movement watch.

there are people that are search for such non-working Seagull ST19 chronos... (at least one in france)

@sdefrada9435

8 ай бұрын

where ?

@SQueme

8 ай бұрын

@@sdefrada9435 me !!! 😅

@SQueme

8 ай бұрын

thank Yassine !! 👍 always interested by such repair on such ST19... but also NH35 (at a lower price)

I sent one back for "repair" a few years ago to the Ali Express store I bought it from. Messaging was difficult at first, lots of promises were made. They have not responded to me for over year now, there is no other way to contact them. My watch was never returned.

@LenHere

11 ай бұрын

That SUCKS!! Sorry to hear it...

@pauloplenostracko

5 ай бұрын

you were refund ? or watch not kept back ?

@duncpod

5 ай бұрын

No refund. Watch was never returned. :(@@pauloplenostracko

@RnitrousAndrew

3 ай бұрын

i have also problem with the seagull st1901 now when i stop tachymeter stops also the second hand and i try comute with aliexpress and its terrible

So im thinking about getting this watch but im wondering .. if i buy that watch than means that at 5-7 years its dead and service will be to exprensive ? Cause then maybe better to buy another watch than i can service for less and have my whole life . Whats your opinion ?

@LenHere

Ай бұрын

A chronograph is very expensive to service. My watchmaker charges $325 for a 3 handed watch service, and $700 for a chronograph service. If you're ok with a disposable but great looking watch then buy it, or never use the chronograph and buy it. The problem is that the pushers are too short to give consistent performance, so service won't really fix anything, you'll need to get it serviced whenever it fails.

@b4nnediss_here721

Ай бұрын

@@LenHere oh ok so tecnically it is as i though right? U buy and when needs service u buy a new one? I mean its so cheap that i cant complain definatelly worth for 5 years i think .. ty a lot for your answer

What if i buy it without ever using the chronograph function, just to have that movement to looked at?

@LenHere

7 ай бұрын

It is the most beautiful watch in my collection for sure

@dimasakbar7668

7 ай бұрын

@@LenHere lol that is good enough reason if i have the cash i think. I was weighing in for that seagull 63 (more beautiful), or Hruodland Turbine (not a chrono and i generally prefer simpler watch) as cheaper hand winding watch in collection. Have you checked other chinese watch? I heard some tourbillon watch from some company also had interesting finishing.

No. The bluing is NOT a thermal bluing - HOWEVER - it very much is a chemical bluing (not paint) that allows for incredible polishing AND the bluing will NOT chip like some thermal bluing sometimes does. The red second hand is a powder coat like bicycles and has a bubbly or puffy look. It is simply beautiful.

What is your opinion on the Seagull 1963 and other Chinese watches?

@ltrev1979

Жыл бұрын

I've had this watch a few years. I LOVE IT. and I own Tudors and Omegas. You have to form your opinion of it on what it is; a cheap, disposable version of a high end watch. Column wheel chronos generally go for thousands of dollars and this one can be had for less then twin benjies.... what did you think was going to happen, it'd be an heirloom for the kids? People spend more on a moon swatch or a seiko. It's a cheap entry point into mechanical chronos to be razzle-dazzled at their beauty and the movement before they decide a mechanical wound, chrono is something they'll get a few grand worth of enjoyment out of, like a speedmaster. For what it is its a beautiful, generally fairly accurate mechanical chrono thats dirt cheap. Draw backs, it's so cheap servicing the movement is pointless and might as well buy a new one (which has the added benefit of being nearly instant instead of months of wait time). It's certainly not for everyone, but can easily find a space in most watch enthusiasts watch box. Don't expect it to go to hell and back, but it should give you a few years of enjoyment, memories and education dlbefore deciding if it's time to ride with the big boys, or you've had enough of that experience and move on. It's to get your feet wet, not to go deep sea diving so to speak

@MrConraA

11 ай бұрын

As long as the have a seiko movement inside I'm happy👌

If this is a weakness of the watch it should be corrected. For me watch complications cause weakness. Most of the time you look at a watch to tell the time. I have date watches. One is a Omega 1973. It is a great watch but it broke on the date part. I paid to fix it and it is still not right. I have Omega watches back to 1934. They are set and wind watches No Calendar. They work great. So I like the simple time telling watch. Another Omega I have is a 1949 18k rose black face watch with a sub second hand dial. The watch is beautiful. It is mint. They make a modern version of this watch. It is a little bigger. It cost $17,000 dollars. I paid $1500. Today is I want more than just the time, I will use my iPhone. I like classical watches. My next purchase will be Nivada Gretchen Antartic watch. It will cost $845.00

This can happen to any movement. Where a watch is made is irrelevant, that Sea-gull is a lot of watch for the money. I have had Miyota, Seiko fail or run badly, they are cheap. I also had a Swiss made Sellita SW200 fail because I stripped a gear hand winding it & particles of the gear went through the movement & stopped it working…that was my fault. the QC will be poor no doubt. Remember you were using the watch for a year. I think you are being harsh just saying you are done with Chinese watches

@abstuli1490

11 ай бұрын

It is a construction fault that Sellita SW200 has inherited from ETA 2824. The ETA 2824 and all its clones are plagued by ratchet wheel teeth breaking when hand winding the watch. To avoid the faults, you should manually wind the clock as little as possible.

@75dt21

11 ай бұрын

@@abstuli1490 I know it's a characteristic of the SW200 now, paid for a full service to fix it which was the same price as a new movement. My PT5000 is the same both eta2824 clones. You will strip the gear if you handwind no doubt about it. Thanks for the reply

@Lorenzodial

10 ай бұрын

This is the first bad thing I heard about this watch most are good! But any watch can have problems, even the Swiss

😂st1901这个机芯的质量问题确实很不稳定，坏的概率确实挺高的，在中国声誉也不怎么好，返修率很高。 不过到目前为止，我从没在KZread上见过哪怕一次真正的正品1963……很多人都信誓旦旦觉得自己买到了正版，但我负责任的讲，真的一块都没见过。 正品总共有3个不同版本，但背面都是不透明的浮雕设计，要么是中国空军的老logo，要么是写上了“天津手表厂1963”这几个文字，周围也没有用中文蚀刻，只是用英文字母和数字标识了型号，机芯序列号和表镜材质。 这些造假的厂家为了照顾欧美的收藏圈子特意把底部的英文标识换成了中文，还在表冠上加了个星星，很滑稽

@LenHere

11 ай бұрын

Here is the translation for those interested: The quality of this movement is indeed very unstable, the probability of failure is indeed quite high, the reputation in China is not very good, and the repair rate is very high. But so far, I have never seen even one real genuine 1963 on KZread... Many people swear that they have bought a genuine one, but I am responsible, I have never seen a piece of it. There are a total of 3 different versions of the authentic product, but the back is all opaque embossed designs, either the old logo of the Chinese Air Force, or the words "Tianjin Watch Factory 1963" written on it, and there is no Chinese etching around it, just English letters and numbers identify the model, movement serial number and crystal material. In order to take care of the European and American collection circles, these counterfeit manufacturers deliberately changed the English logo at the bottom to Chinese, and added a star on the crown, which is very funny.

@endresutus124

10 ай бұрын

@@LenHere Authentic or not, those $160+ 1963s are beautiful. Sometimes they are about $300. or so, maybe QC is better at those?

@adamselene5957

9 ай бұрын

Interestingly, you are UNABLE TO BACKUP anything you are claiming. You do not have supporting data or specifics on how to determine exactly what is the difference between what you are claiming is an ORIGINAL verses a FAKE movement. Therefore, you are ONLY stating your OPINION and certainly not fact. My experience with these watches is wholefully similar to that I have had with the highly touted quasi luxury brands such as (Tag) Heuer and even the problems I have personally had with (yes, believe it or not) Rolex. The Venus 175 movement redone and branded (no, not ETA) as the Seagull 1901 is a well established and utilized mechanical chronograph mechanism that often sells for thousands of dollars everywhere. Are there occasional problems as there are with ANY OTHER watch? Ahh, yep. 'WHY' you may well ask? Because it is an older style MECHANICAL movement. Want less risk? Perhaps you should stick with quartz watches with few moving parts and if you purchase solar - no replaceable battery for about 20 years. Otherwise, what you get is a beautiful vintage style watch with a movement originally established about 70 years ago and what goes along with that entire conversation. Want 'risk free'?? Better not leave the house.

@endresutus124

9 ай бұрын

@@adamselene5957 You have very good points and a strong opinion on this topic. May I ask you why you take OP's opinion so personally? Just asking, not judging as I know neither of you. And coould you tell me about your experience with the 1963? I've found some for $60, I pass when I read the buyer's comments. Then I've seen for $150 -$180, sounds good from the buyers (of course right after purchase). Then there's $300+, way above my budget. But I love the design and 38mm would be perfect for my wrist. First world problems I guess ;)

@adamselene5957

9 ай бұрын

@@endresutus124 Yea, sure. I don't mind at all. First off, let me say that the ONLY thing that I take exception to are perspectives or opinions (especially scientific as I work in the medical field) that are not supported by facts and evidence. If you state something AS FACT but are unable to back it up with evidence - then at least go into detail as to WHY you feel that way - don't just say that, "It is." That is ALWAYS somewhat upsetting to me. I believe all people have opinions - and that's just human - but for god's sake, tell me WHY at least you believe that - don't just say that it is because I said it. I have purchased many watches - but I am NOT a collector. I just like watches. I specifically have a true emotional appreciation for chronographs because they take the concept of telling 'time' a step forward by not only telling me what time it is - but allowing me to keep track of elapsed time in a very specific way. I just LOVE that! I understand that there are very expensive 'luxury' watches that cost an 'arm & leg' (or a pretty good down payment on a house) and many times those are very good and reliable watches. Sometimes, however, they are just very expensive pieces of trash with unestablished and not quite verified "In-House Movements" and that doesn't really tell the buyer anything to tell the truth. But there are VERY GOOD (and often times inexpensive) well proven watch movements that get little to no adoration. They have well established track records as long as my arm and are used in absolutely BEAUTIFUL watches! When ever I find one of those I just get giddy! No one talks about them but they are (in MY own personal opinion) truly valuable finds. I have one I rarely wear but carry around in my pocket just so I can pull it out during the day and look at it. It just makes me happy. Rolex, Omega, Patek Philippe... okay. That's all fine and good. But they are not the true jewels in my opinion. The true wonder - for me - are in the less expensive pieces I just 'find' here and there and don't always cost that much. The ones I just can't take my eyes off of or set back down and walk away from. The unusual ones that make my heart race. Hope that explains my fascination.

I appreciate this video. It was very informative and interesting as, well done. You put a lot of thought and effort into it. So, thank you for that However, I’m not sure placing this watch on the “don’t buy list” is warranted at this juncture. This particular watch was, for some reason, knocked out of wack and froze up (and was repaired). Not buying another Chinese watch because of this event would be equivalent to no buying another another German made car because your new Mercedes had a bad fuel pump which caused it to stop running. The brand is solid, the look is iconic, the backstory is amazing, and the history of the product is good. And I am referring to both products in frame here. I enjoyed every aspect of your video and look forward to seeing more of your work, my opinion of this watch is just a bit different. Good luck!

@LenHere

25 күн бұрын

The watch actually still has a systemic problem, other watchmakers on KZread have pointed out the issues with the pushers being too short and causing the mechanism to catch on the column wheel, thus needing a manual reset, which is exactly the problem with mine. Its simple for me, I want to spend my money on quality watches that have the lowest chance of being made by child slave labor. Chinese watches check both those boxes, they're crap and they are made by slave labor.

@kenfritz9565

24 күн бұрын

Len, Thanks for replying to my comment. Now I understand there is more to your point of not buying the watch than just less-than-perfect construction. I have watched several videos on the watch and seen the short pushers, etc. I like the watch for the history and backstory. If it continues to run for a few years that will be great. I just ordered one from Ali for $80. for those reasons. I wouldn't pay more. However, your moral conviction is honored. I understand your point of view, and you have every right to "vote with your feet," so to speak. I wish you the best and a successful KZread career. I'll catch you on some other watch, I'm sure.

@LenHere

24 күн бұрын

@@kenfritz9565 Thanks for the kind words and well articulated commentary. Grace and peace!

@highwaystar3780

8 күн бұрын

My Son's lasted maybe 2 yrs with h Hardly much use. Piece of Junk for Dreamers !

@user-hb1uh9mn1h

4 күн бұрын

@@highwaystar3780 Len, you know, I just bought one of these for about 115 bucks. My expectations are not exceptionally high. But, to have a wind up chronograph that was based on a Swiss movement isn’t so bad I guess we’ll just have to see what happens. Have a great day, brother.

His reasoning makes no sense. As many have pointed out, any mechanical watch can have problems.

@joemarsh4748

3 ай бұрын

I believe his point is that this specific part of this movement is particularly subceptible to damage from mishandleling.

Hi did any of you get charged custom duty & how much?

@brandonreed3660

5 ай бұрын

i just bought a red star version of the seagull 1963 and i didnt pay any shipping or duty fee. it arrived in 8 days to canada.

1/ everybody know this seagul movement is fragile!! some reviewers says you even should avoid riding bicycle with it! 2/ i have many chinese watches, i also build watches for myself with aliexpress parts, and i also own few seiko prospex and Hamilton.. the fragility of this movement has nothing to do with the whole chinese production. some of my chinese watches, essentially with seiko auto movements, are more reliable and accurate than , for instance,my seiko prospex capt Willard ( spb151)... actually, no one can compete the most famous chinese brands in term of price vs quality.. not Orient, neither Seiko or microbrands. i have some microbrands watches, i even work for one as photographer: for the same quality than my chinese watches, i have to pay 3 or 4 time more, at least..just facts..

Another great "quality control " Cihna made product.

I had one of the sub dial hands fall off in two days..I got my money back..I should have got a nother

@LenHere

11 ай бұрын

Yikes!

@endresutus124

10 ай бұрын

Invest some of that money into a watchmaker's toolset, watch some yt repair vids, open the watch, re-install the hands. They are press-fitted, you should be able to do that. Maybe start with an old watch. I just repaired the cheap watch for my friend's daughter where the seconds hand was wobbly, it's not that hard, I swear ;)

@pauloplenostracko

5 ай бұрын

what did you do with the watch ?

Just buy the Tactical Frog brand quartz choreograph version. Looks just the real McCoy and don’t have to fret if it’s real a fake or ekse

I'm fairly sure i have the exact issue with mine. A 40th birthday pressent that lasted about 6 months. I don't have the know how to fix it and the chinese warranty is worthless so it'll be collecting dust on a shelf forevermore.

@LenHere

2 ай бұрын

What a shame, sorry to hear it.

I like how your watchmaker has an inexpensive, near unbreakable Citizen Chandler chronograph. It's like he's mocking your chronograph. Just joking 😆

@LenHere

6 ай бұрын

He’s a discerning man!!

That finish is pretty damn rough...

😅thanks for your insights. In general I just don’t want anything from China, especially something as precise as a watch.

@LenHere

11 ай бұрын

It's hard to avoid anything from China, but I'm DONE with watches from China. They are garbage and we know how they treat workers. Why would we support that?

@LeoBond

11 ай бұрын

If I were to swear off Chinese products, I wouldn't be able to write this message on either my MacBook or my smart phone.

@captvimes

10 ай бұрын

You might want to check where any of your electronics have been made

@LenHere

10 ай бұрын

@@captvimes You may want to check against the options...

Walked down to the lakefront today. The authentic Seagull 1963 comes on a crappy NATO strap. Have had mine for over 6 years with no problems.

You got the wrong one mate. The real one from the real factory has China on the top line and then Tianjian Watch factory on the second line. Yours just says China Made. The real one is well over about 1000USD. I know because I just got one!

@LenHere

5 ай бұрын

Exact. Same. Movement.

i paid 150 bucks for my 38mm many years ago and its been amazing for the price... you could almost just throw it away and buy another one and not loose any sleep over it.. probably cost more to fix it.. buy your wife one so you can setal it when yours breaks lol

@pauloplenostracko

5 ай бұрын

sell if for parts when it fails : this is what i did ...

Do you want some wine with your watch?

You bought a fake watch ..... Thats not an actual Sea-gull Watch you got a red star 569 cnd VS259cnd

Please don't bundle ALL Chinese brand watches just because of a fragile movement. The quality and finishing of cases, bracelets, bezels (even in ceramic) clasps, etc, and QC of some Chinese brands like San Martin are impeccable; and with a Seiko or Orient movement, you have a Winner ! (comparable not to 3 - 4 times cost of Swiss watches, but I would say 5 - 10 times more).

thanks for posting. sadly i couldnt get more than two minutes in because of the MUSIC. why oh why do you pollute your information with this dreadful distraction?

Turn the music off.

@LenHere

9 ай бұрын

It soothes me...

Hold up. I’m no fan of Chinese made products. But within those 15 months…you didn’t consider that YOU might of jostled the watch?

@LenHere

9 ай бұрын

Let's think it through here... it took 25 days to travel from China to my home in Wisconsin, so all I can speak of is when I received it. As I think I said in the video, I had problems with the Chronograph from day one, but to be clear, it's a watch which I wore to my desk job and never wore in a remotely athletic setting. Nor was it ever dropped, abused, packed in luggage or the like. So, what was it then? The bottom line is that quality watches are shock resistant enough to withstand a fair amount of a beating, even that delivered from traveling an ocean or two away. This one couldn't take it. Therefore, it is not a watch I would purchase again.

My new 1963 40mm/Sapphire/SS/Swan Neck is awesome. It comes with a warning: treat gently. Also don’t push the chrono buttons slowly. There are common sense wordings. I suspect you are perhaps not ready for a watch like this. Treat it carefully and you’ll be fine.

@LenHere

6 ай бұрын

Tell me this you donut, why is it that if this watch is based on and made from the same equipment that made the Venus movement, used in Breitling, Universal Geneve, and Wittnauer chronographs for a couple decades, and many of those vintage chronographs are still attainable in working order TODAY, why would this one NOT last as long or be able to handle the same level of regular use? I'm in sales, hardly "hard" on my watches. You may have one too many chromosomes to be logical, dude.

@Warp75

3 ай бұрын

What a patronising comment. Unbelievable

@LenHere

3 ай бұрын

Jog onn then @@Warp75

Sir, i am NO watch expert, but how does the 1963 just "suddenly" fail that way?.........it can't be related to TRANSIT 16 months earlier........ .......so either you or your wife or BOTH have banged the watch or it inadvertently fell or something? (banged while on the wrist ....?.....or perhaps some unusual conditions like pressure or TEMP...? Ofcourse, it COULD be a lubrication issue and that would be down to QC like you say, although basic watch therapy would have seen even complete a novice be able to give TLC to that watch. ........i believe their are professional sprays you can administer to the movement....... which service them. i am Glad it's resolved and although your watch expert would steer clear of the 1963 ...... i don't think the majority of people would........

Just about any watch you buy from china should be serviced first thing.

It's a fake one.

yes i think it is not worth the money and effort to buy a lousy QC watches. tks. Perhaps the official Sea-gull ones will be better, but they now cost alot.

Caveat Emptor. (Buyer Beware)!!

The movement in your 1963 Chinese chronograph is a copy of a Swiss Venus Cal 175 movement. China purchased this movement, the machines and drawings and the rights to manufacture it for their Airforce. The Chinese used this copy to make the 1963 chronograph for all of their military pilots! However, as you have seen, the manufacturing process can't be copied! The Chinese just do not have the skills of the Swiss watch makers!! I applaud your decision to stop buying Chinese watches! They are all junk!

You are telling me that a $50,000 dollar watch couldnt have had the same thing happen. It was heavily jostled most likely by you since it was working for a year. This is also not the "authentic" seagull so i am not sure about your research either.

@LenHere

10 ай бұрын

If I show you a Rolex (or any real or imagine $50,00 watch) and a Seagull, and you had to bet which one is still functioning in 10 years, on which will you bet? What about 25 years? 50 years??? Let's say I conceded both will be functioning, on which one would you bet on for accuracy over time?

@captvimes

10 ай бұрын

@@LenHere That wasnt what i asked was it... A Ferrari is most likely going to be the car still working in 50 years it doesnt mean other cars arent any good

@LenHere

10 ай бұрын

@@captvimes Are you capable of answering simple questions or does your extra chromosome prevent it?

@captvimes

10 ай бұрын

@@LenHere Oh insults from a berk who can afford a 70,000 watch but cant afford to waste 200. Twat

@jimmbob28

10 ай бұрын

​@@LenHere I'm stealing that downsyndrome insult 🤣

Yours is not from Seagull. Original cost around $400.

@klching4741

3 ай бұрын

Original has 2 lines at the bottom,中国and天津手表厂. Moreover the case back should be stainless steel instead of see through.

@LenHere

3 ай бұрын

@@klching4741 The ST1901 is the same, identical, exact movement. That was the problem, not the dial...

@StephenLLai

2 ай бұрын

​@LenHere Just the seller told you that she was offering you the REAL Seagull movement. How can you be sure that the movement really came from Seagull? If the movement of your watch does not come from Seagull, this will be totally another story.

@StephenLLai

2 ай бұрын

​@@LenHereJust the seller told you that she was offering you the REAL Seagull movement. How can you be sure that the movement really came from Seagull? If, in fact, the movement does not come from Seagull, this can totally be another story.

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Interestingly, you are UNABLE TO BACKUP anything you are claiming. You do not have supporting data or specifics on how to determine exactly what is the difference between what you are claiming is an ORIGINAL verses a FAKE movement. Therefore, you are ONLY stating your OPINION and certainly not fact. My experience with these watches is wholefully similar to that I have had with the highly touted quasi luxury brands such as (Tag) Heuer and even the problems I have personally had with (yes, believe it or not) Rolex. The Venus 175 movement redone and branded (no, not ETA) as the Seagull 1901 is a well established and utilized mechanical chronograph mechanism that often sells for thousands of dollars everywhere. Are there occasional problems as there are with ANY OTHER watch? Ahh, yep. 'WHY' you may well ask? Because it is an older style MECHANICAL movement. Want less risk? Perhaps you should stick with quartz watches with few moving parts and if you purchase solar - no replaceable battery for about 20 years. Otherwise, what you get is a beautiful vintage style watch with a movement originally established about 70 years ago and what goes along with that entire conversation. Want 'risk free'?? Better not leave the house.

china makes cheap knockoff of all brands.....and they also make knockoff of this very watch. you need to buy the real ones at their store. what you have a fake watch.....just like a fake rolex.

It is fake product

of course it was too good to be true . how could you expect to buy the quality of 2000 usd chronographs, for 170 usd ... no , you can't . regarding this particular chronograph there are countless versions of it out there, that no one can tell which is the first reissue of the 1963 chronograph ...