My S65 powered E30 BMW M3 - Problems on the Dyno

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It was supposed to be a quick checkover of my S65 powered E30 BMW M3 on the dyno. It didn't go exactly to plan...
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  • @gareththwaite5128
    @gareththwaite5128Ай бұрын

    You and Craig should go halves on a 2wd dyno, could really cut down some of your diagnosis time

  • @Nitro1942

    @Nitro1942

    Ай бұрын

    Hub Dyno for Steady State Tuning would be awesome

  • @eddiehp6108

    @eddiehp6108

    Ай бұрын

    Where would they put it?

  • @nath_tayl0rr

    @nath_tayl0rr

    Ай бұрын

    @@eddiehp6108 a hub dyno would allow them to put the units into a corner when not using it, and not sure if they need strapping down but they could put anchors in the concrete

  • @disuye
    @disuyeАй бұрын

    Probably the most iconic modern E30 M3 on t'internet. Love this car - nice work gents.

  • @Dezdax
    @DezdaxАй бұрын

    Felt like Phill wasn't particularly happy with the power, even after the last test run. And with all my parasocial capabilities i can tell its not going to stay like that 😂😂

  • @BurpleRX7
    @BurpleRX7Ай бұрын

    Tom is an absolute legend. Other than my actual engine builder he is the only guy to touch my car. He will be up front and honest with you from the start, definitely knows what he is talking about and his previous projects and customers speaks volumes. 10/10

  • @tedpalmer1537
    @tedpalmer1537Ай бұрын

    @21:28 Jay knows. spoken like a true dad

  • @antonyread5595
    @antonyread5595Ай бұрын

    The honk from that air box is savage! 😅

  • @evaporatedcoat8235
    @evaporatedcoat8235Ай бұрын

    Just binged watched this build series over the last few days. Amazing.

  • @TBendez
    @TBendezАй бұрын

    Glad to see this back at it and grats on getting the issues worked out!

  • @hambo6713
    @hambo6713Ай бұрын

    Fuarkkkk this thing sounds good. It sounds very reminiscent of the V8 Supercars down here in Aus. Which in my opinion is one of the best sounds 8 cylinders can make. Far and away the best E30 in existence IMO.

  • @jonfollows7553
    @jonfollows7553Ай бұрын

    The M3 and 911 shot ❤

  • @MartijnGizmo
    @MartijnGizmoАй бұрын

    That induction noise though! 😍

  • @mil3486
    @mil3486Ай бұрын

    Every time I see this car and more importantly, hear it in motion is incredible the engineering, complexity and precision. Phill is really living that DTM touring car ownership dream we've all had XD

  • @Hooptyroo
    @HooptyrooАй бұрын

    I love how absolutely race car the interior is. Awesome car guys

  • @dave_s_vids
    @dave_s_vidsАй бұрын

    That induction sound at 06:44!!!

  • @icanturn6844
    @icanturn6844Ай бұрын

    I have an s65 e46 that also made 360whp on the dyno. Im convinced that these engines need an X-pipe to actually breathe and produce the power they were designed to make.

  • @neilstewart1208

    @neilstewart1208

    Ай бұрын

    i think this was at the crank, 360 whp is very healthy for a standard s65

  • @icanturn6844

    @icanturn6844

    Ай бұрын

    @@neilstewart1208 Crank? How does the dyno back-calculate drivetrain loss?

  • @neilstewart1208

    @neilstewart1208

    Ай бұрын

    @@icanturn6844 the drag on the rollers on slow down

  • @johntosh6146

    @johntosh6146

    Ай бұрын

    360whp with a driveline loss if 20% equates to 432 at the flywheels it's probably not far away

  • @unobtainiumwelding9812

    @unobtainiumwelding9812

    Ай бұрын

    Love it!!!

  • @Mart77
    @Mart77Ай бұрын

    New season has started so i think it's time for a Driftworks Nürburgring trip !

  • @keithflynn5651
    @keithflynn5651Ай бұрын

    God that sound makes me miss my S65, and mine sounded nowhere near as good as that! Thoroughly enjoyable video as always guys.

  • @ADEMSALAN
    @ADEMSALANАй бұрын

    One of the realest car channels on KZread:) Can I have a jumper 😊

  • @martinjones4776
    @martinjones4776Ай бұрын

    5:40 The tell tail on max rev's 👍

  • @Asgard2693
    @Asgard2693Ай бұрын

    Take it up to the legend that is RayWest at Thruxton. Honestly can't find a better bloke.

  • @AccAkut1987
    @AccAkut1987Ай бұрын

    Is that a whole load of bots doing those first few comments lol? How nonsense are they

  • @TheSoppakulho

    @TheSoppakulho

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah all the asses in profile pics and saying some weird stuff. Don't really know what they achieve.

  • @johnnygeorgopoulos4072
    @johnnygeorgopoulos4072Ай бұрын

    One, I adore this E30, two, what are your thoughts on adding especially some Wind Splitters to the top of the front "wings"(fenders! I'm American lol) and potentially, potentially, a Taifun Grille and headlight combo, potentially of course, I know the splitters would look dope for sure 👌 I'd literally street drive this thing....still looking for a reasonably priced one to swap a B58/S58 into, the things never come up for sale in the US, if they do, they're convertibles or expensive AF

  • @GetUpFalcon
    @GetUpFalconАй бұрын

    Dunno if there’s been a camera or cameraman upgrade but she looks a million bucks in this clip. Good grief. What a car!

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    Good old Iphone.

  • @bwm999
    @bwm999Ай бұрын

    The you choke the lambda sensors with soot since it was running rich? Careful use of a blowtorch burns that off & they are fine again

  • @CoreRye
    @CoreRyeАй бұрын

    I’ll lend you my e90 m3 to do a comparison, it’s still running your old Cup2s and should be comparable in terms of engine setup for power.

  • @G3LDY
    @G3LDYАй бұрын

    Was that running in the 70's for coolant temp 🤔 that super cool how are your temp that low or is it the dyno fans?

  • @satanaz
    @satanazАй бұрын

    @4:10 would have never guessed it was running super rich with those flames out of the exhaust on the video's intro 🤣🤣 hope you don't lean it out enough to kill the flames!!

  • @admlucius7298

    @admlucius7298

    Ай бұрын

    No esta super rich...si fuera asi no haria flamas, para conseguir flamas se necesita una estequiometria muy precisa en desaceleracion...super rich o super lean no hay flama...

  • @satanaz

    @satanaz

    Ай бұрын

    @@admlucius7298 Καλά, αν θέλουμε να είμαστε λιγάκι πεντακάθαροι, είσαι μερικώς σωστός ανάλογα με το πώς ερμηνεύεις το "υπερβολικά πλούσια" - αλλά η στοιχειομετρική αναλογία καίει μπλε... όχι το πορτοκαλί που βλέπουμε στην @0:48

  • @solar3mpire
    @solar3mpireАй бұрын

    The bonnet needs direct throttle linkage, full throttle going up on the catches...

  • @GuntherV
    @GuntherVАй бұрын

    i see m3 i hit like 😎

  • @raywinsor5272
    @raywinsor5272Ай бұрын

    If it’s an eddy current dyno (creates load via coils) vs rotational mass (created load based on centrifugal force from weight of the roller) the difference can be massive. Euro dynos are primarily the latter which read higher. This may be the reason for your low numbers. 🤷🏽‍♂️

  • @madintocars
    @madintocarsАй бұрын

    Probably nothing but at 6.29 the black hose connecting the 2 banks under the eventuri intake is collapsed at idol?

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    It’s just a balance pipe, but does need a metal connector in the middle.

  • @p0intdk
    @p0intdkАй бұрын

    Did 5 min of google´ing and it sound about right, a stock BMW E92 M3 V8 gets around 340-350whp.

  • @B4tty1234
    @B4tty1234Ай бұрын

    My E92 made 439 (fly) at Surrey RR 👍🏻

  • @victorbernabe4294
    @victorbernabe4294Ай бұрын

    Sounds like a heart breaker Mustang dyno

  • @oskarthompson3789
    @oskarthompson3789Ай бұрын

    Do you use twisted wiring for all the sensors?

  • @ChristopherHallett
    @ChristopherHallettАй бұрын

    "it doesn't have a lumpy cam in it" - why not?!?

  • @daveedwards3531
    @daveedwards3531Ай бұрын

    👍

  • @markbowdery
    @markbowderyАй бұрын

    what Goodwood day are you there as that's only 18 miles from me . Would love to see this in the flesh

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    We're there for RetroRides and have the late afternoon session on Saturday.

  • @cr11wds73
    @cr11wds73Ай бұрын

    You can borrow mine, just loaded an evovle map on it 👍

  • @cw205mi16
    @cw205mi16Ай бұрын

    Is that colour Dyno Blue? 😅

  • @ChristopherHallett
    @ChristopherHallettАй бұрын

    You didn't chuck the higher ratio rear end into it for Goodwood?

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    It's way higher ratio than I want already. It's in Nurburgring spec at the moment so is geared to about 185mph if I remember correctly.

  • @antesabic9728
    @antesabic9728Ай бұрын

    6:30 why is that rubber hose that connects both sides of throtle body's so squished... Is that normal because of a vacuum or...

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    Yeah it’s vacuum. We noticed it too. It’s only a balance pipe, but could do with a solid connector in the middle.

  • @deciplesteve
    @deciplesteveАй бұрын

    Any updates on the V10 project?

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    I may be able to find some time later in the year.

  • @stevethorne9605
    @stevethorne9605Ай бұрын

    Plonk it on an american dyno and it will make 600+ hp :P

  • @patricktheexpat
    @patricktheexpat18 күн бұрын

    Why is the accelerator pedal to the left of the brake pedal?

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    17 күн бұрын

    huh? 😂

  • @rhafikaminy
    @rhafikaminyАй бұрын

    Probably the driver side throttle actuator is going bad and just reacts slowly or Doesn't open fully

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    What makes you think that? There's no sign of any error with the throttle motors.

  • @Simb-l
    @Simb-lАй бұрын

    You defo go to the nurturing and get misha to scan the wing. It’s gotta stalling at the angle. Unless it’s for looks.

  • @smithy423
    @smithy423Ай бұрын

    Phil what colour blue is that please?

  • @antonyread5595

    @antonyread5595

    Ай бұрын

    ‘Santorini blue’ I think but could well be wrong

  • @race-it

    @race-it

    Ай бұрын

    Rivera blue Porsche colour I think

  • @ValladolidArde
    @ValladolidArdeАй бұрын

    id get a pro mapper on this, like Terry Stamper. The level of immense quality on this build calls for it. Stunning build

  • @holdawayt

    @holdawayt

    Ай бұрын

    Tom is a pro mapper...

  • @ValladolidArde

    @ValladolidArde

    Ай бұрын

    @@holdawayt Hi, I have worded this incorrectly, dont mean to diss Tom or his team. I was referring to a mapper with high end motorsport experience and lots of grey hair, WRC, F1 etc. Sometimes these hyper complex ecu's like the syvecs require HUGE experience to fully and quickly exploit the massive array of options and motorsport focused strategies they offer. Tom says in this video he has never worked with one. Syvecs is a mature product of the life racing ecu range, they are incredibly complex. And I dont mean to say that Tom can't figure it out, I'm sure the chap is a star and is well suited to the task with the right amount of time at hand, It's just that at this point of the build with so many bumps and issues when the car has gotten to a point that it´s ultra sophisticated It might be a good idea to talk to people that can sort out an ecu issue in 1hr. I'm a powertrain development engineer myself,developed and built IRC and WRC engines... I can map link, aems, omex, gems.... But I would never dare to touch a lemans works level ecu like syvecs, prodrive or life racing, a small error could cost me a 35k engine or worse, I call Terry and he always surprises my with his vast expertise, the man is a genius. I was only trying to help, by no means am I trying to diss Tom who seems like a superb bloke and did his best here despite confronting a new product and wire issues. Kind regards

  • @jdubbsvt85
    @jdubbsvt85Ай бұрын

    370whp or engine hp? If whp, that sounds pretty good. If not whp, then definitely a little low.

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    At the Flywheel. If it was wheel I'd be very happy.

  • @AxlMetcalf
    @AxlMetcalfАй бұрын

    Who built that chassis originally?

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    No idea unfortunately. Not Prodrive though. It was in a very rough way when the previous owner found it I think.

  • @euanbegbie
    @euanbegbieАй бұрын

    Why go to a mapper with zero experience on the ecu you are using?

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    Because we weren’t supposed to be mapping it. It was already mapped. This was supposed to just be a couple of pulls to check it’s not running lean.

  • @imSchwaggy
    @imSchwaggyАй бұрын

    I don't want an older car again, but this makes me want an e30 so bad. They look so cool, especially on 18s and custom bodywork. I hate seeing them on 14-16s.

  • @nicensor

    @nicensor

    Ай бұрын

    tell me you have bad taste without telling me you have bad taste

  • @guvernator23
    @guvernator23Ай бұрын

    Gale banks would laugh at this dyno setup. Fan in front is made for RC cars, and you always dyno as car goes down the road, which means closed bonnet. 370hp at the crank seems right for the S65, the 420hp claimed was always way over. When they first came out they all dynoed around 360-380hp.

  • @adamburke5400
    @adamburke5400Ай бұрын

    For a couple of thousand pounds wiring harness id expect it to be perfect . Not wired from the internet .

  • @eyedfish02
    @eyedfish02Ай бұрын

    Enough of that, show us the del sol on the ramp

  • @philsimprezawrx
    @philsimprezawrxАй бұрын

    👍👍👍👍👍👍🫶👍👍👍👍👍👍

  • @jamesf8864
    @jamesf8864Ай бұрын

    I'm guessing we weren't meant to be able to hear the fart in the intro to camera? 😂😂😉

  • @brianbob7514
    @brianbob7514Ай бұрын

    Repeat after me, LS swap

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    Not in a million years.

  • @neilstewart1208

    @neilstewart1208

    Ай бұрын

    @@driftworks 😎

  • @vladaje
    @vladajeАй бұрын

    Wolt car 😂😂😂

  • @santibh88
    @santibh88Ай бұрын

    I know is hard to to hear but stop wasting money in s65 engines, maintenance, problems, cost, power losses,..I see many many problems all the time with this engines, get a v8 coyote and you will never have any problems.

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    I’ve never had a single issue with the S65 so I’m not sure why you think I’d need to swap it. The engine is as perfectly matched to the chassis as you can get IMO. I like the Coyote engine, but it won’t be going anywhere near this car.

  • @santibh88

    @santibh88

    Ай бұрын

    @@driftworks the s65 it’s well known for bad things in everything, I know sounds badass and revs high and it’s a BMW motor, but is not a good v8… not reliable even with good mantenience, problems with main bearings, compression, hp numbers and very expensive to do anything on it, I love the e30 and I love the project but I don’t see it very often at the track…it’s hard to hear but you won’t have those problems with any other v8s that are in the market.

  • @neilstewart1208

    @neilstewart1208

    Ай бұрын

    @@santibh88 Bollocks

  • @JayDontGotThis

    @JayDontGotThis

    Ай бұрын

    It’d still have 3 to many cams

  • @driftworks

    @driftworks

    Ай бұрын

    I wholeheartedly disagree. The S65 is one of the best V8 engines to ever come in a road car. Most of the stuff regarding reliability is over dramatised internet BS. The fact that this engine exists is a testement to the final years of the real BMW M devision ,before the era of turbo nonsence came about. There is literally no other engine that I'd rather have in this car. It has never let me down, and there isn't a more perfect balance of performance, weight, reliability and sound for this chassis IMO. The reason you've not seen it at the track is because I like building and messing with cars as much as I do driving them. The car has been off track for 9 months because I changed stuff, not because it's broken.

  • @Project-D
    @Project-DАй бұрын

    Every time you turn on this e30 I fell more and more in love with it despite the struggles. It run so good on track, cheff kiss!🤌

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