Lukas, I renewed my retirement visa yesterday at Si Racha, took an hour, 1900, easier to do myself!!!!!

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah I did mine there a few years ago 👍

@billybob7522

2 жыл бұрын

I'm learning that some provinces are lot easier than others. Sounds like yours is very good. Did they have the same requirements as outlined by Locus? Did they request a police criminal report? They do in the UK.

The lady is a gem! Sweet, smart, actually cares about her tenet. She follows through on details, I knew the moment each step happened on my washer install the next day as I couldn't be there. No train noise as of yet, minor rooster crowing, but I spent six months in Mexico before coming here, so that's nothing. So far, I'm loving the place.

@icekangz817

2 жыл бұрын

I don't mind the noise of trains passing by, it's the horn blowing. But they usually only blow it near crossings. Be interesting to know if they blow those horns on a set schedule.

@billj9838

2 жыл бұрын

I live exactly 1 mile from a railroad crossing. Every time there is a accident or definitely a death on the tracks near my home. They will blow their horn for at least 1 mile while traveling through my portion of town. It will last for months. Then it calms down again until the next accident. A few years ago I installed double pane windows. If I’m awake at 4 AM in the morning I can hear it blowing its horn but it’s not loud enough up to wake me out of a sound sleep. But for the last year or so no horn.

@julianweekes

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Terry... can you or Lucas post some contact info for Suk.... help her out... and me when I get into town! Cheers :)

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Her email is in the video

@terrycavender

2 жыл бұрын

@@julianweekes honestly, I think you'd be better served by using Lou's Survival Guide. Many of the little things you need for Thailand are not shown in KZread videos, there's time constraints. Fortunately for me Lou took me under his wing and taught me, it's because of him I learned how to make my own way and find a condo. 👍 These condos Su has available will go quick, where would you look if they were gone? Right, it's that old teach a man to fish thing.....

Greetings from Pratumnak Hill, Lucas! 12,000 baht per month on a 1 year lease in that building - is a TERRIBLE DEAL! No water views, No Gym to speak off, no Sauna, no Rooftop Swimming Pool...I pay just 13,000 baht per month and I get all that and I am not in the Dark Side, but in Pratumnak Hill - next to the Chocolate Factory, with Direct Water Views from 31 floor!

@Roof_Pizza

2 жыл бұрын

He's paying for the privilege of a new build and the opportunity to see it fall apart right in front of his eyes. Hell, the penthouse even has the sam plastic flooring, colour and everything, just another cheap build. If he moves out in a year or two and he likes the location etc I think he did ok but it's no steal in my book.

@alblack9869

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roof_Pizza The fair price for that condo is 7,500 baht per month

@Roof_Pizza

2 жыл бұрын

@@alblack9869 Care to point out a BRAND NEW BUILD that's in the

@alblack9869

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roof_Pizza I am not interested in any sub par condos, so I don't know...

@Roof_Pizza

2 жыл бұрын

@@alblack9869 Of course you fall short.

Great video as always Lucas. Your friend's new condo is exactly what I want for me. The location is an advantage 👍❤

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Very good, 👍👍👍

Hi, this video was a great help. I pitched up at her offices and found that i didn't have enough cash but Lana still started the bank acc and visa process. After a visit to bank and immigration her driver took me to my hotel to collect cash.Definitely recommend.

Always love to see the penthouses. Those are some of my favorite videos. My retirement income will put me in that range, so always appreciated. Thanks! Edit: My favorite penthouse so far was the quite large, and older one that you showed a couple years ago, with the hot tub and entertainment space. I believe V's friend's daughter was in that one and that you stayed there a night or so. Great video!

@frankkie3849

2 жыл бұрын

Yes that was nice to visit and see.

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, yeah, I'll never forget that one 🤣👍🙏🙏

Good information in this video….good work Lucas

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Many Thanks 👍🙏

The 20 year Thai Elite visa comes out to 4,166 Thai Baht a month over the 20 year period. Money well spent to avoid the bank/immigration/re-entry hassles as well as the ever changing rules. Thats $118 USD per month at today's exchange rate.

@TheLonelyPostman

Жыл бұрын

Yes I have been going back and forth for months with the Thai retirement visa and the Thai Elite Visa. I know I can afford the 20 years Thai elite visa for $28,825. But at the same time my cheap ass tells me to go the other way. If you look at the 20 years Thai Elite in 20 years time day by day you only pay $4 a day. 😅. Most people forget to look at things in real long terms.

Hey buddy. I've been lurking your videos for a long time and just subscribed. Man, I appreciate that penthouse tour and wish you'd do more in this price range. I'm retiring end of this year in Patts and am looking online constantly for what i might expect (of course i expect what i'm seeing now to be gone, but just getting a feel for things). My limit is 50K baht monthly for a place and am considering both nice condos and pool villas. More of these please! Thank you for the work you do there. I hope to cross paths someday.

Maura and I are very happy we got to meet you both at the HOOKUP CORNER and WOMBAT & KIWI. We are leaving this morning but hope to return soon.

50k a month for a 2 bedroom penthouse? Sure, but only if it was at The Base or another central Pattaya condo. 50k a month can get you a 3 or 4 bedroom HOUSE with a private pool in a gated community. Condo building in the middle of nowhere? Hard pass! I will say the 38sqm condo was nicely laid out for the size, I'll give it that. Better and bigger than a 15k condo I rented off a side street of Boukow last trip.

@nickmondo222

2 жыл бұрын

agreed. 50k is a crazy price for that condo. even if it is a penthouse. Great houses available for half that amount here on the Darkside.

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, agreed, very nice house can be had for that price in the area.

Nice vid, I like the 2BR and awaiting the train noise followup, thanks.

Terry's condo is nice and very affordable. For me it's a bit too out if the way but he has that new Royal Enfield to get around town. Congrats to Terry. Another good video!

Wow...that is a new or nicely maintained building...and more my type of area...being an older fella. Nightlife is ok...but quiet is better! Great Video Loucous!😀

Another gem thank you

Great video.. good info on your Visa and that service you used. Will come in handy for many I think.

Trying to decide, I want to winter somewhere, 90 days or more. It looks good in Pattaya! Fun and relaxing , so man you make it easier for me to decide. December-March then who knows .Thanks

Hi Lucas, I love your channel and have probably watched every video you posted in the past year and so. Love your suggestions and the places you visit and have tried a lot of them. But, I have to say that I had a really bad experience with Frang Thai Visa. I thought to pay a premium and get a professional service for a visa on arrival extension to save me the headache of doing it myself, boy was I wrong going to these guys. Totally unprofessional for the high premium they charge for the service. The whole process was a big cluster you know what. It was much harder dealing them than actually doing the work myself at the immigration office. Hope to meet you one of these days as I truly value your work and the content you bring.

Can you bring back the prior intro with the flame explosions? I really liked that one

Nice place he found. I like the penthouse. The train must be relatively quiet since it's in the city, so slow speed and not as loud horn warnings

Very high standard of condos 👍

I used Lana this past Wednesday to extend my tourist visa. Excellent service and a much better prices than I was quoted by other agencies. I went to her office without an appointment and within 2 hours my passport was stamped with my 30 extentions. HIGHLY RECCOMENDED!!!! THANK YOU

too funny lucas, i live in the rust belt by train tracks and the train rumbles the house and rocks me to sleep at night.

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, nice 🤣👍🙏

Have a great day lucas 🇦🇺🇹🇭🇺🇸🍾🥂🇦🇺🤙

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Erikh, you too, I'm going on a short trip today, should be fun 👍🙏

Looks like a good price for that quality. Very smart looking and decent space. I live smack bang on a rail line. You get used to it.

Hi . I wise your friend well with his new condo looks good 👍 take care all 🙏🙏🙏

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Paul 👍🙏

Thanks for the information. I would love to visit Thailand one day. Looking into all.the visa requirements and 90 day visas.

Well edited & informative😎 thank you 🙏🏻

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Glad you liked it!

retirement extension is very easy to do for yourself if you have the correct funds in the bank, marriage extension slightly more difficult but no need to pay agent, but like they say ,up to you

I don't see the point of putting 800,000 baht into a Thai bank account or paying for insurance, it's all dead money. Why not pay a visa agent 20,000 per year to do your visa (no deposit required), and keep the 800,000 in a safe at home for medical bills, you could even top that up with the amount you pay annually in insurance premiums (average 40,000 baht per year), so it's growing every year, but at least it's still your money. Many Farangs and Thai's don't realise how difficult it is to get funds from a single named bank account in the case of death, or if you choose to leave the country. A solicitor has to fight for the money in the case of death and generally after that, there is very little left if any, as it can take 1, 2 or even up to 3 years to sort out. Don't believe me? ask your Thai bank. You may say once i'm dead who cares, but many people have partners and/or children that they need to consider, so keeping access to your funds could be important for you.

@Resmith18SR

2 жыл бұрын

I know exactly what you're saying because I personally had to go through it. My mother owned a condo and lived in Pattaya for many years. She developed Alzheimer's and I had to take her out of Thailand because she needed full time care. Getting her money out of the Thai bank that was in her name was a complete nightmare. Depositing money in a Thai bank is no problem but try taking it out especially if your name isn't on the account.

@lockieharris2005

Жыл бұрын

Do you know any reputable agent that can sort through all the possible visa options what you say ? please in box me

@Resmith18SR

Жыл бұрын

@@lockieharris2005 Having visited there many times I think it's best just to go there on a tourist visa and that will give you at least 30 days there to just go into one of the many offices there and they will help you extend your visa and tell you what options for living there long term.

@Resmith18SR

Жыл бұрын

Absolutely correct it happened to me in Pattaya when I attempted to withdraw money from a bank account. Easy to deposit and a real nightmare to withdraw your own money.

@lockieharris2005

Жыл бұрын

@@Resmith18SR Thanks mate Ill be in Thailand end of October to check things out

will be coming over to thailand for a while in a few months... useful info as always... see ya there and maybe grab a beer if you free..

great breakfast choice with tomatoes basil and coffee.

I like Terry's condo better than the Penthouse. He got a good deal! Good Luck to you Terry.

@anthonydowling3356

2 жыл бұрын

Not a good deal for the other side of Sukhumvit .A similar Condo in Jomtien can be got for B8,000 a month.He pays B12,000

Fun video! The visa info is helpful too. (Though it seems like there are always changes!) I know what you mean about the railroad track thing. Before I had to move back to Indiana to care for mom, I was living in Spokane. Right in the downtown. and there was an elevated trail track that was like a parking lot away from my building. I swear I never thought so many trains would go by in a day. LOL. I tried to do the "no cable/HDTV antenna" thing. Every time the train went by, my tv could lose the picture! haha. had to get cable:) Glad Terry got a place he liked. it looked great! anyway, hope you guys have a great weekend!

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Matthew, you have a great weekend as well 👍🙏

To make a multiple re-entry stamp worth while you would need to leave the country three times in a year. If you only plan two trips a single entry twice is still cheaper.

@grahamjohnson4702

2 жыл бұрын

Only cheap Charlies would worry about that.

That penthouse Worth every Penny. Looks like a very Nice place to live. Happy travels and stay safe. God bless You guys👍🏿.

Always better to get someone to do paperwork for you. I did like to explore the housing options. Heaven knows there are enough condos and houses to double the country's population. On my trips I would sit on the balcony and count the number of lights on (occupied) vs the never lit ones.

Great value apartment brand new and quiet away from the mad house…my council tax alone is more than the monthly rental…

Very great review of the condos and for sure the visa renewal is now so easy!

That's a nice building!

thanks Lucas nice video

Good 👍

I did the visa renewal myself last time but it was a right hassle. Got the paper work wrong and had to fill it out again and get back in the long queue then when I did I had forgot something so had to go back the next day, nightmare 😂 definitely worth paying a bit extra for someone else to do it!

Key Visa Pattaya Darren is excellent as well one honest person

Sorry but it takes me less than 30 min: to do my 1 year visa. Cost 1.900bht. Just do it yourself and save 6kBHT. Mind you I don't live in Pattaya. Even if I did I would still do it myself and spend the monies saved for something else.

@fredob43

2 жыл бұрын

@Mark Seymour How is it relevant ??? I would have thought that was simple to work out. Making a vlog on how to waste monies, after you had done all the work yourself. Bank, Pictures, Forms, Then spending another 6100 BHT because you can't be bothered to go the the I/O seemed a bit crazy to me. Having dealt with Pattaya I/O myself before, I found them very efficient with sorting Visas. The sorry bit was for having to reply to a person that doesn't mind throwing 6k+ out of the window.

Railroad are great i worked for the Rock Iland line in Peoria,Ill. and & Amtrak in LA,CAL.

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

great info...thanks lukas

Thank you Loucous. 👍😎🙏

I like his new condo very much. Great size bedroom. You can keep the oversized penthouse.

Lucas I really dig your style. Marijuana themed dress shirt. Hedonism t-shirts. Like a boss!

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

lolz, thanks Fred 🤣👍🙏

Hay Luckaz ,Happy Visa Renewal Glad to see your friend sort himself out he’s accommodation very good price to 12,200 a month excellent for the standard of condo the penthouse look good not sure if I’ll enjoy staying the seventh floor though 50,000 Great video and the lady from the Vesey shop was fantastic very helpful Chris

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris, glad you enjoyed 👍🙏

The condo for 12k is priced in the range but the penthouse is extremely overpriced in my opinion. That area requires your own transPortation. He is a brave soul. Now may not be the best time to be entering the rental market. Prices have jumped in many cases by 15k or more on the belief that things are returning to normal. Have a good one and thanks for the video.

@Roof_Pizza

2 жыл бұрын

There's always taxis. I'm like the renter, I'd prefer not to be right in downtown Pattaya as well.

@alblack9869

2 жыл бұрын

The fair price for that condo is 7,500 baht per month

@paulhefner2813

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roof_Pizza i agree with not being in the center of things. It is too much mentally to be around it for more than a couple weeks. I rather walk to the supermarket or restaurants or cafes, but that is my way of living comfortably. There are a few residential places that meet both criteria but they may not meet everyones budget or lifestyle. One place I found was almost perfect. Only missing a tennis court. Another in jomtien had the court and tennis wall but the markets were not as good. Sometimes, we compromise. That is part of my life, i love the crazies but only for a whike. Have a good one.

Thanks great video very informative 👍

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

Thanks for sharing Great video🙏

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

So nice of you 👍🙏

Decent condo. Amazing penthouse.

I know the win.Good area and can avail of the cheaper food & Markets on Soi khaotalo also close To Tesco Lotus & Outlet mall and Big C.

I like your shirt!!

Hi Luke, Good morning. I forgot to ask about health insurance. What kind of coverage they offer, and how we can get it. Can you disclose monthly premium for it? Thanks

im getting ready to make the move , i think the best bet is to deposit 800,000 baht and dont worry about the monthly income requirement

The fair price for that condo is 7,500 baht per month

@Roof_Pizza

2 жыл бұрын

Once it's past the new build stage I'd agree.

@alblack9869

2 жыл бұрын

@@Roof_Pizza How does living in a "New Build" make your life any better? Why would I possibly pay extra for that? I don't really care about old builds or new builds - I only care for what I consider to be the best! You might have different priorities in your life, due to your working class education, but hey, we can't all have a University Degree!

Why would you pay 200 baht for a 90 report when it can now be done on line?

Condos hmm many around for the right price most times better to let your hands do the shopping and look for oneself it's not hard.

Wow! That’s a lot of trust to give someone your bank statement, your personal documents and passport for a few days. I’m surprise they don’t go and drain you bank account and open up credit cards. Not sure I have that much trust in anyone outside my immediate family member.

@anthonydowling3356

2 жыл бұрын

The business has been there several years i think ,so i would trust them.I always did visa renewal myself though .Its not that complicated if you have the necessary requirements .

Lol, I was going to say.... The downside is the railroad tracks. 🤣 I live 4 miles from 2 sets of tracks either side, I still hear the trains.

100% if i was lucky enough to retire in Thailand, i'd go the same way you did Lucas on the subject of visa's .What a Nightmare if i did it alone 🤦‍♂One pet hate of mine when staying in a hotel is the aircon units pumping hot air onto the balcony .Lovely place though for a single bloke ,Wish you all the best Terry, We are here on this earth only the once mate 👍

Two-story (1 and a half) floors "penthouse" doesn't justify the price. -- Perhaps trying to emulate big city "lofts"(converted factories) ?? -- His condo looks pretty nice.

Why are 82 units for sale at The Residences @ Dream Pattaya (Na Jomtien) for sale? out of 165 units in the development. Anyone an idea? Thanks.

💖 that penthouse.

Thumbs up 👍

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks 👍

ah yes, visa renewal time.. surprisingly, it's gotten quicker and easier post-covid... My last renewal took under an hour (from entering the bank, to leaving immigration; pp pickup next day after 2p)... Learned the front immigration check in desk closes early, so don't rush in @ 4p, expecting to get a service number... lol Had to come back the following day (after pp pickup) to do the multi-entry permit... That penthouse looked nice, but a lot of wasted space... Check out some of the ones at LK Legend... lol above my pay grade...

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Haha, ok Tom, Thanks 👍🙏

really helpful your video for people sir

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Glad to hear that 👍🙏

Looking forward to you taking me on your adventure in India Sir

I like India! Love it actually. I am going to refer my friend to your channel. Maybe he will reach out!!

@Roof_Pizza

2 жыл бұрын

Had a flight change in Mumbai, that was plenty enough for me.

Great info. Hey Lucas, on another vid you said you tried to do online reporting but it didn't work, I've found some possible issues with that. I'm no expert so bear with me. 1) your first one has to be in person 2) you can't do it from outside of the province you reside in 3) were you using a VPN? 4) if you're too close to the 90 day period. As I say I'm no expert. Cheers.

@nickmondo222

2 жыл бұрын

also, sometimes its impossible to log in with Chrome. Having said that, I have no problems

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks that all makes sense 👍

Lucas ! How are You? I want to inquire about Lana's Farang Visa services ! If you come into Thailand on a Tourist Visa with the Intention of converting that into a O- A retirement Visa can she set that All up for me ? Finding me a Bank to set up a Bank Account and all the other requirements for the Retirement Visa ? Or do I need to go to an Agency like Baan ??? Please Reply!

All I gotta do now is win the lottery and I be there, in the penthouse, with bells on!

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

Welcome to India.. :)

Nice modern looking condo at a very good price. How much for a monthly rental … ?

I have lived most of my life in the close vicinities of airports, and it is something that you don't notice after a while, unless the 4.30 Concord doesn't fly over at 4.30.

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, that's another one to watch for but I guess a person would get used to it after a while. 👍🙏

Why not just get the Thailand elite 20 year visa? My buddy got his and paid a one time payment of 30k and he gets in to stay in Thailand and leave and return when he wants no issues… its priority also and no need for all this proof of funds or health insurance etc

I like that place for that price. I will remember Lana, I definitely will need some assistance with my paperwork when I retire there.

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

👍👍👍

Hi Luke, Thanks again for your new video, very informative for affordable living. I heard that you mentioned about 3 month immigration report the agent can do it. How it work? Thomas

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Yes, correct, just drop your passport off at the office, then pick it back up the next day. They take care of the reporting.

I could never see the value in paying an agent when the paperwork is not complicated. Mind you I had a Thai wife who is an accountant and she completed all of the required forms. One correction regarding the re-entry permits. You said 2 trips would make the multiple entry permit worthwhile. That is not correct. The single entry permits are 1000 baht and the multiple entry permits are 3800 baht so 4 trips would be required.

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

But the cost of the visa is already 1900. You are getting that anyway, for the additional 1900 you get re-entry so in 2 trips you are already up 100 baht.

@brettallan7417

2 жыл бұрын

@@Rides4Kickz Not sure that I can follow your line of thought there. The cost of the visa extension in 1900 baht. The cost of the multiple entry permit is an additional 3800 baht. You certainly can't buy both as a package for 3800 baht.

@brettallan7417

2 жыл бұрын

@Mark Seymour Stupid comment.

Hi Lucas, I watched both your videos with this lady, but I think I missed the part where she tells the price for the 30 visa for tourist extension. Can you let us know? Thank-you

สุดยอดมากลูกัส👍👍👍

Your financial info would be more useful if you consistently reminded viewers the exchange

Really good condo Myself as I stay in most nights I would like to know how much electricity as each condos vary My Thai house is just over 4baht a unit but I believe some condos charge 10 baht per unit

@alblack9869

2 жыл бұрын

The fair price for that condo is 7,500 baht per month. Electricity and water depends on your usage, of course, but mine is around 2,000 baht per month.

@nickmondo222

2 жыл бұрын

@@alblack9869 I think you must like aircon if you pay that much living in a condo. I have 3 bed detached house, never paid more than 800. But I pay the government rate....maybe yours is loaded by your owner

Lucas, is a month long enough time for an agent to sort a Visa and bank account for me ?

How did your friend like Grand Avenue and what I do if I want to rent there for two month?

do they take credit card?

That massive condo is nearly 3x the size of my appartment 😂😂

I have to Renew my Retirement🇺🇸VISA THANK 🎀 YOU

Great video work

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Patrick 👍🙏

How far away from robin hood steakhouse were you ? I which I knew this information back in May because I had all my paperwork with me , and I was told by a agency I would need to go to the embassy in my country to obtain an O.A !

What bank do you use Sir?

50k on the Dark Side 🤔, I like it...

Each to their own, but i could never live in a condo. He will know when more people move in.........he will hear them.........yes, some people need to use a visa agent......normally if they dont meet the criteria and the agent works the special magic. Personally, I do my Retirement Extension myself..........very, very, easy. But again.....each to their own.

beautiful vlog big guy take care Love Ya LOTS LIMEY overt the pond XXX

I think that if you pay an additional 200 dollars (7000 bhat) there are agencies that will get you the visas without you doing the banking statement requirement and the insurance requirement. Maybe she can do this as well. I did some research as well. There are agents who will do the 90 reporting for free if you use them to get your yearly visa. 200 bhat is a cheap price relative to other agents that charge for the service. How long has she been in business and does she accept credit cards? At least she has an office which is a good sign. I talked to a few without offices which is a no go for me. Thanks for the video.

@davidj.7779

2 жыл бұрын

There are Visa Agents who can do that but usually it is because they have a "connection" in a particular office. A lot of people who went that route have reported problems later on, especially if they change location, say for instance they move from Pattaya to Phuket. The office in Phuket (or wherever) can and sometimes do refuse to renew the visa because it lacks the proper chain of documentation. Just because one office pushed the rules doesn't mean other offices will carry it on. One can end up stuck with the same agent and find every time you need a renewal, you have to travel back to that location to do it. It's a slippery slope.

@paulhefner2813

2 жыл бұрын

I know two agents in the area who do it. They have local connections and I will not give their names, but they have been doing it for over 10 years and their service is extremely professional. The thing is that some people would rather be making money on that cash than having it sit in the bank gaining a very low interest rate. If you gain 500 or more dollars a year then it may be the right choice for some individuals. Not to mention the wasted time in banks. My time is worth more than waiting in line for hours to find out I did not dot every i or cross every t. I have heard far more horror stories from the DIY group needing to go to offices 5 or more times because they wanted to save that little money. If you are that tight on money then retirement will be challenging. I rather spend money in Thailand than go on the cheap. Everything has risk in life. As long as no crime was committed then you have options. I will not expound.

Did the realtor work in restaurants in Pratumnak about 5 or 6 years ago?..she looks familiar

@Rides4Kickz

2 жыл бұрын

Dunno, but I think she was attending school with Vee, that was how we first met her.