You cremated that poor spider at 18.21mins 😢 Anyway great kit The gas welding - you needed a smaller nozzle to concentrate the flame to the weld pool

Thanks Jon for a great Demonstration. I have this Set in mind, because i am searching for something simillar. Verry informative! Take care!

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Chris, thanks for the comment. As long as you aren't going to be doing much more than 30 mins work a year, this is an economical solution, for more than that, I think large bottles are the way to go. I do like how compact and portable this set is. Cheers, Jon

Thanks for this review Jon, very useful. Hope you haven't suffered too much from the storm. Best wishes, Stephen.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Stephen, thanks for the comment. No, we got a bit of damage (still to be fixed) but got away lightly really considering the battering we got. We can look forward to another one on Tuesday now!! Cheers, Jon

Thanks John that's a big help. I've seen another review which was very helpful but seeing the control with the small nozzle and heating the thin wire is very much in line with what I want. As a hobby jeweller I'm being limited by LPG even with a professional jeweller's torch. And hey, it's good to se that you can have a laugh along the way. When I first started to weld car body parts together, a million years ago, there was a lot of reference to chicken droppings. All the best and thanks for the demo and the laugh. . . Andy

Good review Jon. A couple of thoughts come to mind, keep the gas only burner as the gas for it is most likely cheaper than the Map and Oxy and you can use that to preheat and then use less of the expensive gases. Just thoughts, John, Australia.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi John, thanks for the comment and excellent suggestion. I will absolutely be doing this, the propane bottles for the el-cheapo torch are 99p, so I can use 20+ for the same price as 1 Map. Cheers, Jon

Hello Jon, An entertaining review... the logic of why you have gone down this road makes sense... See you on the next one... Take care. Paul,,

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Paul, thanks for the comment. Yep, I will monitor the ongoing costs and report out in a future Blether video. My biggest trade here was floor space, this unit takes zero up which was important as I am rapidly running out! Cheers, Jon

Nice one buddy, the oxygen torch is absolutely up there in my most useful kit, thanks for sharing, have a wonderful day

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Ralfy, thanks for the comment. Yep, I would love a full on Oxy-Acetylene kit, but my usage is so low, it makes no sense. Floor space is a premium for me which is really what drove this purchase. Cheers, Jon

Gday Jin, great demonstration and it did stick, I have looked at these kits before but the cost of the replacement bottles are up here, I’m still undecided, all the goodness goes to the poolroom mate, Cheers

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Matty, thanks for the comment. Yeah, it's an expensive solution but I don't plan on using it for much more than 30 mins a year so £20 a year is acceptable for me as I don't lose any valuable floor space. The pool room gag had me in bits, I filmed that end section about 4 times lol. Cheers, Jon

Spot on that Jon for the occasional jobs. It's ideal for concentrated heat for bending as well. Enjoyed the review. Tony

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tony, thanks for the comment. Yep, felt like the right choice for me due to my low usage and limited floor space for big bottles. Also very portable to be able to take the heat to the job if necessary. Cheers, Jon

Good review Jon, looks like a very handy bit of kit for intermittent use! Certainly saves massive rental charges for large cylinders from big companies as you say! 👍

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Tony, thanks for the comment. Yep, I think on balance the costs won't be too much different but a huge difference in the space taken up in the shop, and also, if I need to move my heat source round its a single handed job to pick it up and take it to where its needed. Cheers, Jon

Good review. If you sprinkle a little flux on the workpiece before heating, it keeps the metal clean as it heats- the braze then takes better.

Cheers Jon, good review as expected. Decent price for the kit and for occasional use, the cost of replacement cylinders isn't too bad (Mapp gas slightly cheaper on Amazon - but oxygen dearer). Ideal addition to the workshop specially for helping with seized nuts and bolts and silver soldering/brazing

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Pakrattuk, thanks for the comment. Yep, I don't think I will be using it very often at all so seemed like the right choice for me. More important for me was the space it takes up (zero floor space which is at a premium). Also very portable if I need to take the heat to the job! Will check Amazon out, thanks. Cheers, Jon

Hi Jon, great review. I've often looked at those over here in NZ. Although the kits aren't to badly priced the replacement bottles are so not really viable. Oxy/LPG kits are available and here you can get the larger bottles without having to have a bottle contract. That's probably the way I'll go. Cheers Kevin

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Kevin, thanks for the comment. Yep, I had the choice, I think the rules have changed in the UK now, and you can buy bottles which would work out probably cheaper. The benefits of this system for me is the space it takes up, and the portability, single handed job to take it anywhere. Cheers, Jon

Looks like a decent little kit! I’ve not done a lot of welding with any particular system but I did have a week’s welding training (doing MIG/TIG/Oxy/plasma cutting) some time ago and (in my view at least), I found joining metals with oxy acetylene easiest of all the methods. On leaving the course I bought a proper BOC setup but found I didn’t use it as much as I’d hoped. Bottle rental was expensive and eventually I returned the bottles which were probably the original ones! This type of kit probably makes a lot of sense for the average home user who will do a bit of brazing and a bit of heating on the odd occasion even though it’s tempting to buy something bigger.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dave, thanks for the comment. Yep, that was my thinking, they take up a hell of a lot less space too. On current usage, I reckon it won't be much more than about £20 a year so much cheaper than rental. Cheers, Jon

Top review and honest yes they sell similar down-under considered them often but gone that road yet. As one who has used a lot of Oxy/Acyt with many metals and filler while working and owning my own kit when doing a bit more than I do now as hobby projects this has to be the way to go depending on cylinder cost.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Raymond, thanks for the comment. Cylinders aren't cheap but at the rate I use them it's not going to be expensive, probably around £20 a year on average, much cheaper than rental. Cheers, Jon

Hi Jon. I got a very similar unit to yours. I bought the Trade Flame brand which was on special at my hardware store. They are good little unit for the home shop. Cheers, Aaron.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Aaron, thanks for the comment. Yep, for very low usage, they are a good option and a good trade for valuable floor space using big bottles. I also like the portability to be able to take the heat to the job if necessary. Cheers, Jon

Very good review Jon, really enjoyed it. I think it is a cost effective way to have such a capability, like you say. It will be interesting to see how long the bottles last.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Carl, thanks for the comment. Cost effective for my very low use I think. As and when I get a bigger place and need to use more, I will probably convert to big bottles. I will update in a distant Blether video on running costs etc, probably in Year to get an annual cost. Cheers, Jon

@carlwilson1772

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonsworkshop I have a boc account for my argon, and I have thought about getting oxy/propane. I don't think I would really use it though. And as my workshop is integral with my house, I am always worried about having fuel gases and oxygen in the place.

just ordered the oxyturbo 200 as I really wanted the guages over the cheaper ones, thanks for a great video

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi, thanks for the comment. Glad you found it useful. Cheers, Jon

Thanks for showing this Jon. Luckily you live in Scotland and are probably used to being Frugal.. This could cost an arm and a leg to run if you need to use it a lot. Hope you have got all your services back on and working. Regards from Australia.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dave, thanks for the comment. Yep, we are all back up and running, just in time for the next storm on Tuesday!! Spent the weekend clearing out the other shed to locate my Gen-set that was buried under piles of crap. Hopefully a bit better prepared now! This kit is expensive, however, I don't really plan to use much more than 30 mins a year so £20 odd a year is an acceptable trade for the floor space that would be taken up by two big bottles. Rapidly running out of concrete real estate in there now! I also like the portability to be able to take the heat to the job if necessary. Cheers, Jon

Hoi Jon. silversoldering is an art . some tips use more flux, the silver rod should always be covered with flux, preheat the rod and dip 3/4 inch in the flux. the gasflame should be a litle bit softer , more gas less o2, and keep the flame away at least 2 inches . there are parts wel over 1000 C and less than 600 in the same spot. I bought a map gas burner a year ago and that works fine , the butane before works but takes far to long heating and only small parts. Nice engine you building, have some myself most stirling and a flame licker that never works. Greating from Holland

Excellent video…very similar to the Smiths Little Torch and the lead welding Model 0 torch… I presume those gauges just show the output pressure from the cylinders, not the pressure going into the torch…

@jonsworkshop

8 ай бұрын

Hi John, thanks for the comment. Both pressures for the propane and tank pressure only for the Oxy. Cheers, Jon

Good job Jon, have been considering buying one of these kits 👴🏻👍

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Terry, thanks for the comment. Just do your maths up front, you have more floor space than me so large bottles may be a better option (same as John Mills has got). If you plan to use for more than 30 mins a year, then bigger bottles will be cheaper in the long run. Cheers, Jon

Good luck👍👍

As the old mechanic told his son starting out - start buying tools at the level you will end up at. Saves a lot of money not leveling up, and prohibits lots of frustration. LOL. Sadly, I tried and lost to defy the logic. Great tip on the o-ring. My old torch antique regulators have it clearly labeled “Use no Oil”. Clearly old solid wisdom, my Dad echoed that as well he did not want his youngest “blown to hell…” That is an interesting little torch. We have small what are called plumbing and HVAC torches here. Pricey and essentially the bottle size is convenient but coupled to a very disproportionate cost versus the large bottles. Hence I don’t have one evn though it would be the cats arse for convenience. Extra hose provides my limited convenience level up. If my little MAPP torch won’t get it done, its time for the full oxy acetylene torch…LOL. Not strangely our welding supply stores seem to be a very lucrative business. I will need a sedative when I go to refill my larger bottles. LOL. All the best Dan

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dan, thanks for the comment. Yeah, the bottled gas game is a racket, and about to get a lot worse with current world events unfortunately. BOC have ruled to roost in the UK for years, and it is illegal to own acetylene here unless you are a business. Cheers, Jon

That Was Fun Thank you

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Frank, thanks for the comment and support, much appreciated. Cheers, Jon

Looks ideal for very occasional use. Cheers Jon.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Gary, thanks for the comment. Yep, definitely, a good cost v/s floor space trade for me. I don't think I will be doing much more than 30 mins a year so £20 odd a year is acceptable. Cheers, Jon

Excellent review. I have been trying to avoid buying one of these for a while... For most silver soldering jobs a more powerful propane torch is a better choice. The job you did would be easier with a mid range, maybe 30ish Kw propane torch. Even with the oxy-propane setup I would recommend getting a proper propane cylinder and a decent torch, even if you just use it for pre-heat. I have a sievert torch with various burners from 20-120kW, connected to a big 19kg cylinder. TBH, the cheaper torch options (look at the silvercrest ones) are fine so long as you have a big gas bottle. Look at zoro for replacement gas cylinders for the oxy setup, they may not look the cheapest at first, but if you register an account they will often be 20% off.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Matthew, thanks for the comment. I went with this for two or three main reasons really, my floor space is very limited now so more big bottles would pose an issue, I also wanted something that would put a lot of local heat in quickly for shrink fits and seized bolts etc, and I like the portability of being able to take the heat to the job with one hand if that makes sense. I will definitely check Zoro out, thanks for the tip off. I plan to use my crappy propane torch for some preheat, bottles are 99p at Home Bargains lol. Cheers, Jon

I used to use ozy/acet when I was at training college, we were always told not to direct oxy towards greasy hands and such, so when a know nothing youngster was spotted directing the torch(not lit) at a workmates neck, he was quickly escorted off the premisses!!

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Trits, thanks for the comment. Ah Haa, the joys of college students, I remember very well seeing some equally dangerous things during my apprenticeship lol. I watched a gear wheel being spun up on a shaft with an airline, then let go on the floor, it made quite a mess!! Cheers, Jon

Very interesting Jon. Looks like a capable kit, with similar characteristics to oxy/acet, but on a smaller scale. I strongly suggest you try brazing with manganese bronze rod. This medium works very well for carbide brazing and model making, as it flows cleanly when used. It's all a learning curve. Cheers Rob

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Rob, thanks for the comment. I will get myself some to try, I have seen your work with it and it looks very neat. What diameter rods do you use, and is there any particular grade or supplier etc, also which flux to go with it please. Thanks mate, Jon

@Xynudu

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonsworkshop Hi Jon, I use uncoated rods as it gives more control of the amount of flux added. I only use BOC ProFill manganese bronze rods. I'm pretty sure these are not available in the UK but you can buy a similar item called something different. They are stronger and much cheaper than higher content silver solder. The flux is dipping type CA303 formulated for brazing bronze, brass and copper. It will do ferrous as well (Borax based). Go with 1.6 and 2.5 mm rods. 1.6 is best for fine work. Cheap no name rods are usually rubbish as the amount of manganese in them determines how well they melt and flow. I had a UK viewer try to source manganese bronze rods a while back and I'm pretty sure they are called Sifbronze over there. Don't buy any silicon based bronze rod as they are for TIG. Good luck. Cheers Rob

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xynudu Thanks for the info Rob. Cheers, Jon

@ozyrob1

2 жыл бұрын

@@Xynudu Hi Rob. What happens if you use silicone bronze tig rods with propane or acetylene?

@Xynudu

2 жыл бұрын

@@ozyrob1 They require a higher temperature torch so you have to use an oxygen boosted gas torch. Plain LPG/Propane/Mapp won't melt the rod. Cheers Rob

i was wondering what is the time that you can use the oxygen bottle before it runs emtpy? i got a oxyturbo 110 set today but the oxygen was empty within 20 minutes.. so im trying to look up what other users experiences are with this

Jon, Like your hearth bricks, are they standard Piza Oven ones or did you order them special. Thanks from Dave.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dave, thanks for the comment. They are standard wood burner / pizza oven bricks made from vermiculite. Cheers, Jon

Thanks for a really good review. I recently got a small stationary engine casting kit and was wondering if I should get one of these to replace my Rothenburger plumbers torch for the silver soldering that will be required - still not sure?? Best wishes Mitch

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mitch, thanks for the comment. Lol, I didn't do the best job on the silver soldering so probably not very convincing. The kit in my opinion is great for this application as long as you aren't doing much / regularly etc. I am sure with the right flux and rods, it will be a doddle. I am tracking down some manganese brazing rods to try instead so we will see how that goes. Cheers, Jon

Ive got a near identical kit. The oxy doesnt last anytime at all versus the cost so i ended up using a hobbyweld oxy cylinder with the rest of the kit to make it more cost friendly. I did have a larger reg n flame arrestor so didnt have that additional outlay. Worth considering if you find your eating through small bottles at 20 plus quid a go

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi A Cooper, thanks for the comment. Good shout, we will see how we go. At the moment I don't see me using more than 1 Oxy can a year based on the 30 mins life on the box, so £20 odd a year is acceptable as a trade for the floor space saved etc. I also like the portability to take the heat to the job if necessary. I will monitor and update in a future Blether video. Cheers, Jon

You can mix most powdered fluxes with a drop of water to make them into a paste, I do this & the “hot rodding” method together for best results. Also, I’ve been told you can’t weld (steel at least) with oxy propane or oxy Mapp, it has to be acetylene for gas welding. The others are too oxidising & you’ll get a rough & brittle weld (which is a shame as I just bought a kit & would’ve liked to see if I can still gas weld, but I’ve got MIG & TIG, so I don’t really need to). I’ve heard mixed reports about aluminium welding, but most say it’s not suitable again. I’ve found these kits invaluable for those jobs where you need that really localised concentrated heat, like moving rusted bolts, as well as brazing & silver soldering.

@jonsworkshop

Жыл бұрын

Hi Matt, thanks for the comment. Yes, I have always done that too, I got some el cheapo silver soldering rods off Ebay with a small bag of flux that said 'do not mix with water' on it, very strange. Need to get myself some decent stuff at some point. Cheers, Jon

Yep seems pretty useful but I’m not getting one unless they throw in at least two pens lol

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Steve, thanks for the comment. Lol, good luck with the wait then! Everyone is chasing pennies these days in the commercial world thanks to the Internet and our Asian friends! Shame really, an 'at cost' Oxy bottle would have only stood them at about £15, and would have put them in a much better light. Nevermind. Cheers, Jon

Great little portapack Jon. Unfortunately you cannot weld steel with Propane. It Oxydizes. Ask me how i know. But what a great addition to the workshop.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Stevie, thanks for the comment. I thought so, it seemed odd when they advertised it on the box. I guess it just about welds, perhaps a fluxed rod might be better to control the Oxidation, I was just using MIG wire. Good kit though and zero floor space taken which was a big deal for me. Cheers, Jon

handy little unit

A plumbers bottle of the yellow colour hi temp gas will do all the silver soldering Jon that’s what I use cheap as chips thanks for posting

Hey , beats lugging around the big bottles . And the constant rental !

Your welding results with oxy propane is what I would expect from my experience. I will stick with my oxy acetylene. Just bought a TIG machine and hoping for great things.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Glenn, thanks for the comment. Yep, I did wonder when they called out welding (I suppose it did sort of work, probably OK for patching car panels up etc but nothing serious, also the Oxidation is an issue). I will invest in a TIG plant, probably in a couple of years or so, I think it's a steep learning curve mind. Cheers, Jon

@glennwright9747

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonsworkshop I will let you know how my learning curve is. I started stick welding as a lad on the farm 55 years ago…fixing what I broke. In my teams I started a little gas welding and in my early 20’s did some gas welding repairing exhaust etc on a small aeroplane my dad had. When you are handed a torch with the correct settings and the correct filler wire it makes things a lot easier. About 20 years ago I got MIG that included a spool gun and that opened the door for aluminium welding… my aluminium welds are so so … has been described as looking like chicken shit. I bought the TIG so I can weld S steel … and TOT makes it look so easy. TIG also uses Ar same as the MIG aluminum welding so I don’t need more tanks. Guess hobby machining is like golfing- as long as you don’t go broke you keep playing. It’s a hobby.

It seems to have the minerals Jon. I wonder if you could fit larger bottles easily enough. For the motorbike stuff, I think it would be uneconomical to use. A friend of mine had a very similar kit a few years ago, called a Bernzomatic. I think it was from America. Yours looks a bit more advanced. Best wishes, Dean in Oxfordshire.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Dean, thanks for the comment. Yep, it certainly has some heat. I am hoping my running costs will be about one Oxy bottle a year, and one gas every 3 yrs or so. I will happily pay that not to take up any more floor space with big bottles, need my space for more exciting stuff lol. I think you could convert it easily though. Cheers, Jon

hi jon great honest review, shame the tight buggers could only give a pen to you. Ah well you can't win them all, see you next time cheers and take care Kev

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Kev, thanks for the comment. Lol, bit of a missed opportunity on their part I think, nevermind, all companies are struggling these days so I guess it's understandable. Cheers, Jon

Man, out of the whole KZread you seem to be the only one who really tried to WELD with it. Many, many thanks! 1. Regarding welding - it would probably be nice to see it on an angled pieces WITHOUT a filler, like this guy does with the oxy-acetylene: kzread.info/dash/bejne/e6uftbafftyXfto.html 2. Wouldn't smaller tip make it better? More heat to the exact welding/melting point only.... just a guess. Special thanks for showing off safety measures and the actual measurements of the kit. Oxyturbo - shame to you for not printing all this on the website!

I've never seen the powder flux for silver soldering, just the paste. It seems to work very differently.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark, thanks for the comment. You and me both! I don't like it at all, will be disposing of and getting some Easy flow or similar to go back to paste. Also looking to get some manganese brazing rods to try instead of SS. Cheers, Jon

Lol, Great review Jon. What can I say, well your MIG welding wasn't that good to start with so I reckon you'll get there lol If you need to. 👍👍

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Del, thanks for the comment. Lol, I stood a chance of getting better with the MIG, absolutely no chance with this, if this was the only choice of metal joining, I would be buying lots of Gorilla glue and rivets lol. Cheers, Jon

Yes good point Jon,NEVER EVER get grease or oil on your OXY threads.

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Terry, thanks for the comment. It's a shame, the instructions did call this out but made no reference to what might happen if you did mix the two, I think people may pay more attention if they know the consequences. Cheers, Jon

Hi Jon Yes, I did get a laugh out of that review 😁 I expect it is only your lack of experience that was/is the limitation. You held the torch too far away from the welding point. Moving much closer, with a smaller nozzle if necessary, would improve the outcome. Too much gas and too much heat wasted warming up the area outside the weld. I am sure you are aware that the hottest part of the flame is just at the end of the blue part of the flame, hence the need to move the torch closer to the work. Regards Peter

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Peter, lol, glad you enjoyed my ineptitude! That said, it's a very useful addition to the shop for what I will use it for. Already coming in handy for one or two jobs. Cheers, Jon

I will tell you mate its cheap it does a job done 👍

@jonsworkshop

Жыл бұрын

Hi, Thanks for the comment and view. Cheers, Jon

Rite Jon, Not quite as bad as myself but pretty crap all the same! I jest honest. Hope your safe n well Dude n you ain't snowed under n still got a roof! TFS GB :)

@jonsworkshop

2 жыл бұрын

Hi Graeme, thanks for the comment. Lol, you must be bad then! Yep, all good here, still got some fixing up to do but power is back on. We have the joys of a repeat performance this Tuesday by the sounds of it. Snow gone just but more on the way apparently, such joy!! Cheers, Jon

@graemebrumfitt6668

2 жыл бұрын

@@jonsworkshop Just read an email bout that storm, looks like some of our sailings will be cancelled! Hope this one doesn't hit you bad! GB :)

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