Sucks dude. I don’t think the button is the stop pin. Its internal theres 2, one for lockup and one for detent i think. I did a disassembly so you could check. Its also not a front flipper he didn’t design it to; but it works. But it sucks that it disengages. Scotch n things said the same thing

@NeevesKnives

2 жыл бұрын

Good to know, glad I was wrong about that, internal stop pins are always the best, I should have watched your break down because without taking it apart it looks like the way so many others do there stop in the closed position that I don't like, thanks brotha

I dont know if you watched the instagram video, but im pretty damn sure the knife doesnt touch the button at all, and the stop pins are built into the blade almost grimsmo style.

@TheStabbyCyclist

2 жыл бұрын

This is correct. I just verified with my own FSD as well. The blade comes close to the lock button assembly but does not touch.

@batcarpet1225

2 жыл бұрын

@@TheStabbyCyclist thanks for confirming. I know its only a minor complaint in the video but imo one of the coolest things about this knife is the fact that the stop pin and detent are built the way they are and even allow for custom tuning.

When Craig made the release video for this knife, I think he mentioned that the front flipper was a "it's not really supposed to be an opening method, but it's mentioned because you can do it" kinda thing. So I think the jimping is just for your thumb when the blade is deployed. But I do agree that he should have went ahead and done the tighter jimps, knowing that people would want a grippier front flipper.

Since I don't particularly love the knife, it's perhaps easier for me to see that the flaw is fatal. If it were me, I would send it back for fix or refund. Folding knives replace fixed blades and can't be as stable. But they absolutely should not close of themselves in normal use. It shouldn't be sold at all. Period.

@Mr2fierce

2 жыл бұрын

Trade for my zirc full TI evo?

@mmikee407

2 жыл бұрын

This cannot be fixed. It has to be redesigned with a much recessed button. It needs version 2.0 to mitigate the design flaw, even if it won’t be experienced by all users due to the fact that they have different hand shapes and sizes in addition to different way of gripping/purchasing on a given knife.

@charleswood2182

2 жыл бұрын

@@mmikee407 Sure. I wonder though, if they have adequate insurance.

@mmikee407

2 жыл бұрын

@@charleswood2182 Agree. Someone hurt could win in a litigation if he/she can prove design flaw causing injury during bona fide use.

@adamimberti6948

2 жыл бұрын

A lot of his criticisms are personal preference but that button is a non-starter for anyone who wants to actually use the knife. Terrible design to be completely honest.

That disengagement issue is exactly why I don't have the TwoSun Vandal I was trying out. Right hand, hammer grip, push cut through cardboard and once out of the cut it wanted to swing closed. Too bad; I loved that thing in the hand.

Speaking of bite. I have a tops Al Mar mini sere, 154 cm. I sharpened her on KME diamond stones, finished with the 1500. Razor sharp with bite. I love bite.

You have Shiros and Rocksteads.. I’m sure it’s *very* easy to be underwhelmed by stuff after experiencing that kind of perfection. Definitely a beautiful looking knife though.

I'm sure he can find a solution with either leaving the material on the milling pattern around the button a few mm taller, or have a slightly raised dome shape around it or something like that.

At 0925 good points. More good points about adding or extending the choil.

Love the grind on this blade, you rarely see thin hollow grinds like that especially ones done right(they don't have a spot that thickens up right above the edge, a lot if hollow grinds do that). Reminds me of my Gareth Bull Shami in Damasteel he made a while ago(2014 Iirc, he responded to my post about it). Its about 0.006 bte and it takes between 3/16 and 1/4 inch for it to get to 0.010 which is still pretty thin for most knives. Shame about the lock disengagement, I like the design and the blade is gorgeous. If I could I would get one but I need to clear space first. So many great knives that just don't get any love.

I love you too bro!… I’m only about a heavy 3 months into the knife game (because of this channel). I’ve made all my purchases based on your reviews/unboxings. (As well as Stassa 23) your word is bond in this world!… keep the videos coming🤙🏽

I wonder if you could get a stronger liner lock or add to it so it might make the button just a bit harder to press.. or maybe shave down the actual button piece so it doesn’t stick out of the scale as much, which might make it harder to disengage. Just a curiosity thunk.

I loved this knife at first sight, a big reason being that very useful looking choil... on top of its general beauty.. Sorry I have to let her go. Thanks for an honest review. It hurt but maybe Gen 2 won't have the disengagement issue.

Is it worth $775 for CPM 154 or $825 for CPM 20CV? That's a lot to cut cardboard. Would have like your opinion about the price. Great thorough review, Thanks Jerad.

All he's gotta do is make that button shorter so you actually gotta push down into that area. Or make the scale ramp up around the button. I wanted to buy one so bad and actually almost pulled the trigger on one on today's drop. But been waiting on a legit review first because of how pricey these are, and I'm not a fan of the cpm- 154 either so trying to get a 20cv model is even harder to get. These are so new to market and I'm sure he will only improve on the design given the demand. One he'll of a knife tho

Thank you so much for the honest review. I seen a couple reviews of it and they glazed right over this issue. I never noticed until this video. Thanks again

Thanks Jared it's getting difficult to find any knife reviewers that actually use their knives pushing hype with no regard for performance. Knives as toys is cool and all , I dig a nice looking fidgety knife but it's good once in awhile to get back to knives as tools.v

@user-cs3hi8zp7p

2 жыл бұрын

Amen!

Man I loved the look of that knife too! Hard to believe they didn’t test that grip with such a nice place to choke up. Hopefully they inset that button a tad, doesn’t seem off the top like it would be that hard to (mill) a tiny inset it. What a slicer though.

Beautiful to play with but way to expensive to be screwing around with a problem like periodic lock disengagement when in use.

Definatly one good looking knife, the lock system is cool also especially if your a lefty. Definatly prefer these kind of button locks as they have a lot less problems. The fidget factor and the sound with this one is great. Out of my price range though I wish they would release a budget version of it (with a recessed button). Thanks for the look see Jerad and keep making sharp things fun and enjoyable.

It may have already been said, but he does the FSD in 20CV too.

Wow for that price and such a simple issue???? I'd say they are not worth the metal they are made of.

disassemble and grind that button down? what a shame it's akin to having a firearm that periodically fails

classic example of knife designed for the current fidget trend instead of functional cutting tools.. this is a major defect.. no bull shit

Love the look, but I always put heavy pressure on my handles, afraid of button lock.

@busterbeast999

2 жыл бұрын

No button lock I have used have this problem. May be a side effect of the design, the button being raised and seemingly not needing much force to press causes the problem.

I know I’m comparing this to a much cheaper knife with much cheaper materials, but this knife reminds me of my favorite beater knife (and what I carry most often…as well as being the cheapest knife in my collection by a large margin) and that’s the Zancudo. I sure wish someone would make a high quality blade, titanium frame lock version of that.

Those are definitely some major issues that need to be addressed, thanks for bringing attention to this, I think I'll wait to see if the design gets refined a bit.

Thanks for the great video. I appreciate all the good and bad about this knife. I have been trying to get one on the drops for a few weeks and your the first person I have seen that has brought up the problem the button could cause for some people.

Wouldn't be my 1st choice if I could pick any knife I wanted but that said it's beautiful. The handle design and the way the clip is set up to blend into the scales is amazing. Congrats on getting it

Is the Demko 20.5 with aluminum or titanium your favorite now for sound?

OMG, I wanted this so badly. That is a complete dealbreaker! I have the same exact issue with compression locks. I've had them unlock and pinch me. I will NEVER again own a compression lock because they're dangerous to me in my hand. Man that must suck on such an expensive knife.

I’m glad I waited on trying to get one on a drop because of saving up for blade show.

I have 62. Blade grind is not great towards handle. Gonna send in for sharpening service. Otherwise. NO issues with unlock for my hands.

@Ughthisagain

2 жыл бұрын

Update. Got the knife back was a quick one week turnaround. Sadly I feel the edge is still not what I would expect for $800+ so I’ll carry it a bit and then send it off to the pros at way of the knife to put a laser edge on it. Still an awesome flipper that I am passionately carrying. Once my factor arrives I’ll give it a rest and fidget with the factor while it’s in sharpening repair.

Ah, I will never get tired of hearing a Brown FSD open. 🤤

A knife that expensive needs to have the bugs out. Even a third that cost needs to have the bugs out.

Man....I'm really digging this one! Sucks about the disengaging .... Still want to give it a chance though. 👍🏼👊🏼

Would love your take on the new mini FSD-I. I’m sure you heard of it but fixes a few of your nit picks. Magnacut and integral 😍

Would love a purple and black DLC! 🤤

I owned FSD #16 and I currently own FSD #73 and I can say for certain Craig has already made some improvements as production has gone on. On #73, the “front flipper” jimping is moved further back, resulting in the ability to front flip easily 100% of the time, vs #16 which was about a 50% front flipping success rate. The top flipper also has jimping that wraps further around to the flat of the flipper tab. I have had no issues with the lock disengaging, but I understand everyone’s hand geometry varies.

@NeevesKnives

2 жыл бұрын

That's awesome I'm glad to hear, and I have been corrected about the stop pin

@stevenfairhaven6388

Жыл бұрын

I hope it’s that good. I just spent lotta money on a new one here it’s not I’m sure going to be that disappointing it’s gonna be terrible. I wish I watch this review before wealth living learn but that’s a lot of money to teach me a lesson gosh I hope it is as good as they say it is

I have to get one. The sounds are incredible

I wish I was as passionate about ANYTHING as he is about knives.

@badboybootz8

Жыл бұрын

Dude is super passionate! Lol that's why I subbed!

B-E-A-utiful! It appears the jimping on the blade slightly disformed the edge of the fuller groove. A slightly more narrow fuller groove would remedy that issue. Unique locking system. Technically, it would be what, a Button Activated Liner Lock? They could have inset the button with the similar milling as the pivot screw and not compromised the aesthetics. Hell, you were willing to spend $775. For $50 more, you should have gotten the 20CV. $50!? I would’ve given you the $50.😂

That's a shame, the milling is epic. I'm surprised the choke up problem wasn't noticed during production, the choil area is designed for that grip 🤔

Man so much money, and not perfect for you. Nothing is but I can tell how much you like it. That pinch point is something that will get you when you dont expect it. As much as it costs it too it should be ti. or 390. Hope it works out for you brother.

I. Love. That. Grind!!!! WOW!!

That is wicked!!! Idk what knife I’d call my grail knife bc I kind of have a bunch of grail knives lol. Right now I’m saving some for a Roman Chavez all titanium street rendecion. There’s some always for say on eBay so hopefully soon I’ll have one!

Mega Cool Knife

Been waitin' on this one, Glad u got one to check out.

If he made this at like 3.3 inch blade in Magnacut I would get it hands down. Do you have the same problem with RWL34 as with CPM154?

If only it had a lock for the button like hogue does

Acoustics are sick!. I'm not a "frag" fan, but that's just me. that choke up problem is for sure a issue.

Thanks @Neeves Knives I almost added to my buy list. I tried 2 weeks in a row, but lazily tried. Was going for tonight, but nope not anymore. Any chance of that unlocking is a deal breaker. As we looked at things as a toolmaker, if you can make it happen, it WILL happen.

@NeevesKnives

2 жыл бұрын

Yeah, others said it didn't but also some it did, so I'm not the only one, which really sucks because I love it but as a tool guy myself I won't get over it

Good review. I'm glad you were honest with your review.

Can you imagine a blade like this but k390 and stonewashed finish

The sound is amazing

Hmm, I have a hunch the good Sir is going to shorten/grind down the button and engrave an N for Neeves on it with a smiley. 🙂

👍🏻 Wow! All the problems aside, that sure is some quality milling! Especially that clip matching the scales. It is a complete looker, but with some serious glitches.

What is the green handled knife you showed for a split second? It looks amazing!

I haven't found my grail knife yet! Hey Jerad I been trying to join to help the channel but it keeps say to up payment method and I only have one card and it works fine on amazon is there a preferred method of payment to join? ✌👍✌

Wish I could afford a knife like this

Faults considered, still it is an absolutely beautiful knife, still worth buying. Excellent video showing various deployments. I loved it.

I feel for ya big dog!!!! I once met my hero Crocodile Dundee (Paul Hogan) in a pub in Sydney, I asked him to show me "the knife" but he said that he does not carry "the knife" day to day and that it was a prop for the film. I was gutted, I could feel the joy of the moment leave me like a big poo. Rule number 1. Never talk about fight club Rule number 2. Never meet your hero(s) Rule number 3. Always have a clean pair of bloomers in a clean bag coz you never know when ya guna poo ya pants like me.

@jimcarlson6157

2 жыл бұрын

Rule 4: never admit to soiling your dungarees

@Mr-kn6uk

2 жыл бұрын

@@jimcarlson6157 Mr Jim Carlson honesty is the best policy when it comes to taking a dump in one's underwear.

Beautiful bummer!

As a lefty, I'm sorta disappointed it's so expensive because that lock looks perfect for us..!

@NeevesKnives

2 жыл бұрын

You would be fine as a lefty with it

Why they didn't put the button on the left side makes it for lefties and it's a bad bad move for such a amazing knife.

I paid 98 for my riffle out the door and there isn't a thing not perfect about it. You want premium bearing. Only thing I've done is tight the pivot "barely" once. Sharp like a scalpel

I feel like you should come up with your own grail knife and make it for sale so your followers can purchase it! After listening to you pick this knife apart I feel like you could design something pretty sweet 🤙

@NeevesKnives

2 жыл бұрын

I'm Definitely going to eventually, but my intentions are not to pick it apart buy to give my opinions ad a person that uses, sharpens, and collects knives.

I think the biggest issue should be the certificate of autenticity. Looks very much like my grocery list sticky note...

So..I immediately grabbed my FSD to see if this would happen with me. I just received it a few days ago and haven't gone after the cardboard yet...to be honest, I'm not sure if cutting cardboard should be a determining factor for a good EDC, but let's say the equivalent motion of a push cut should be. I have big hands (XL) and this is not an issue for me. I moved my hand around with a tight grip to see what would cause the knife to unlock and found that if the base of my pointer finger was resting on the button when I gripped it tightly, it would consistently unlock. It's uncomfortable for me to grip like this. For me to grab the knife for a push cut, I always tend to put my thumb on the spine for better leverage and this raises my hand enough off the button that it will not disengage. Alternatively, if I wrap my hand around the knife, I find it uncomfortable to also wrap my thumb around in the opposite direction like your grip. Instead, I tend to bring my thumb up on top (same side as my fingers) to get more leverage with the additional pressure of my thumb forcing downward. In this grip, my hand is raised away from the button and I will not disengage the lock. This grip is similar to how I was taught to hold the bar for bench pressing...more of a cup without my thumb wrapped around the bar. The ergos of the knife still provide a ton of stability and my hand won't slip off, even at the end of the stroke because my fingers are fully wrapped around the handle. I can confirm if you disengage while holding it near the pivot, it will bite the hell out of you, but a simple change to your grip (which is standard for me) will alleviate the disengage and bite. Give it a try and cut some more cardboard and let me know if you find this grip more stable and less tiring?

@maskito4256

2 жыл бұрын

You sound like this review hurt your ego. Stay strong.

@markedfortime

2 жыл бұрын

@Mas Kito nah..not really. Just providing factual feedback on how people might hold the knife without getting bit.

@TheStabbyCyclist

2 жыл бұрын

The whole idea of choking up on the blade during long push cuts doesn't really make sense to begin with. Choking up is usually done for precision cutting. I've been using my FSD at work without any issues and it cuts like an absolute dream.

@markedfortime

2 жыл бұрын

@TheStabbyCyclist with my large hands, I can't choke up on most knives unless they have a huge chiol, otherwise my finger will be in the sharp. The only time I personally choke up is for detail work. Neaves was changing his grip all over during this cardboard session. It was clear his hand positioning that caused disengaging was when he was choked up and holding the knife like a hammer...which is not ergonomically consistent with cutting cardboard.

@maskito4256

2 жыл бұрын

@@markedfortime it’s Neeves. Not Neaves.

It was one of the concerns I have watching a few videos. I'm sure it's not a issue for most people that for the most part will just be fidgeting with it, and not really use it that hard. That's a real bummer man, hopefully Brown can figure out a way to revise it. Cause he definitively has the skill to do so just by designing this beauty. I really want to pick one up in the future, so I hope he finds a fix for people that plan on using it.

For over $800 you should be completely satisfied, not conditionally satisfied. I'm learning, that there is always a favorite knife being made in the future. If my sebenza that i ordered doesn't make me completely happy, it's going back. Imho Love your reviews. ✌🏼🦁 ✌🏼🦁

Have the button machined down a mm shorter so that it's counter sunk just a fraction. ❤️ that knife

Great 👍 video. I need to watch more!

I'm 2 minutes in and am loving it. Can't wait for the rest of the review.

Sounds a lot like Lefty’s video on button locks. I am sure a ton of folks would take it off your hands. Thanks for a truthful video from your perspective.

@craze77

2 жыл бұрын

He doesn’t own the knife so he doesn’t need anyone to take it off his hands 🤷🏻‍♂️

That black pivot screw on this particular knife is an eye sore.

love this knife. I cannot get mine to unlock no matter how hard I try. Not sure what's up with reviewers hands, seriously 3 people tried many grips in front of me and knife did not unlock not even once. Then again, I would never use this beautiful piece out in the woods, but I see no problem slicing some fat rib-eyes

@NeevesKnives

2 жыл бұрын

if it works for you then theres no issues, for my hands specifically i had issues with the lock as i showed, kara did not and others did or didnt either

I wish he’d make a mini fsd

It's your Honesty that keeps us coming here. If he's a true knife guy it won't be taken personally. This is how we get better!

@NeevesKnives

2 жыл бұрын

Absolutely 👊

I guess this is a problem of this day and age when knives are sold almost predominantly online. You lose the chance to handle it physically in brick and mortar store. This knife can be amazing for one type of hand and disastrous for another like Jarrad’s hand. You won’t know until you physically handle the knife and at least pretend its different use scenarios to discover if it will be a problem for you. The issue of the steel is a matter of preference and can be worked out by opting for s20v which is better any day of the week but with such price I guess CPM 154 should not be an option. In a $800 knife you can afford to offer your customers the most premium of steels out there with your knife.

What kind of knife is this? The kind were you can flick/flipper the knife out easily but had the button release. What would recommend in this style that doesn’t have the issues you said as well as a cheap price.

Overpriced pocket jewelry. I don't see that lock holding up.

Detent was apparently sacrificed for the purpose of fidget factor.

Reason why after some affection for button lock, now I'm going back to anything else. Even traditional button lock is too easy to unlock by accident with those buttons sticking out.

I'd definitely pay the extra $50 for the 20cv.

Truly appreciate the honesty! No reason to apologize! Why do so many knife reviewers feel bad about leaving a negative review!?

That double clack on the close drives me insane

Have you handled Spyderco's pm2 or para 3 lefty's converted into button locks / compression locks?

Damn and I really wanted one. Thanks for the video 👍👊

I would think the button could be ground down a bit to sit flush enough to avoid accidentally unlocking it, couldn’t it?

I have FSD # 042 and there are some small details that are entirely different from yours. Primarily the jimping and the heel of the blade (front flipper area). If I choke up on the handle mine disengages as well if I really squeeze but in practical use I hold it further back. For "hard use" purposes I don't know why you would be choking up on it anyway. I only choke up on the blade for fine work, so I find the unintentional disengagement to be a non-issue for that use case. Lastly, your point about the plunge grind hitting the stop pin is entirely incorrect. It doesn't contact whatsoever. Not to mention that you weren't pointing at the stop pin. The stop pin is internal (watch Craig's video on Instagram). You were pointing to the lock button shaft (not sure what else to call it), which does not contact the blade at all.

Can’t you take the lock apart and grind it down then concave the top?

That is a beautiful knife bro. I hate that one issue. It still looks like an awesome knife, even if it doesn’t quite do everything well

The double bounce tells me that the pivot needs micro adjustments to hit the perfect amount of friction to let it fall but not too fast. This happens due to lighter detents being overpowered by the opposite force upon closing. If I had to guess, they did it to make it easier to flip with such a tiny flipper tab.

@adamimberti6948

2 жыл бұрын

We know how knives work dude. A perfectly tuned knife would have all of that balanced out. And for the price it should.

Yowch! Such a great first impression… Those flaws kill it for me though! 😩

Thanks for sharing I'm not going to invest my money I appreciate you as always

Just my opinion but I wouldn't think at the price there should be no issues

Find a good machine shop and overpay to put the relief in, show them a good example to duplicate.

So did I when I saw it!

I just came up on a kershaw skyline s30v carbon fiber right off the wall. It's brand new! Where's David c Anderson and nick shabazz. Finally I a got a steel worthy of the knife gods. Your in there but you have a modern metro head about you. Like Apollo