Worth something?? Absolute GOLD Mark. Your depth of wisdom amazes me. The way you explain things is really relatable to me also. Thanks so much for your time,effort, sweat etc. It’s worth watching this a few times ( unless your the one in 58 bazillion ) or at least take notes. The man’s a physics genius. Thanks again. Jim.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thank you for the kind words Jim, and glad you liked, Cheers

Mark.... you're just to smart for words honestly. I really enjoy how you take such a cerebral look into things that so many overlook. It makes us all think outside the box just a bit, which is a good thing. Keep it up mate.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Rico, glad you liked, Cheers man.

Wow, this was probably 10,000 rounds worth of learning. Thank you.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Edward, thanks

From an automotive technician and mechanical engineering point of view it all makes clear sense, however your metal rod demonstration was a brilliant demonstration, It makes it easy for all to grasp, thinking that up must have kept up at night Lol, Nice one Mark, Thanks.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Walter, yes had to put a bit of thought into how to demonstrate, and as in most things the simplest approach is almost always the best, glad you liked, Cheers

so much knowlege, well presented, so easy to understand and a great learning experiance, thank you to you both, 1st class effort, quality, Extreame Love Reward, ELR

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Harie, Cheers

I didnt know it was possible to explain muzzle jump so well with a simple piece of welding wire ! Very usefull video, I'll watch it again when I'll have more time

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, yeh, trying to pass on can be more complicated than working out the mechanics of the issue, hope it works for all, Cheers and all the best.

I really appreciate your help mate. Your videos have helped me a lot with my shots. Much respect for u and sam. God bless u both always. Cheers mate

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, glad we've helped, Cheers

A good common sense video, and the welding wire was a good help. The gun industry was very stagnant for a very long time, and was-is quite frustrating, although it has improved of late. It's ridiculous to make a rifle with a comb height appropriate for iron sights and then not even putting said sights on the gun, that's how arse backwards they are, but I suppose if people keep buying them, why change. It's people like you that help change their stubborn ways, I think. Thanks.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mark, glad you liked, Cheers

Man you never cease to amaze me ! Really i mean it, thank's for taking the time to share your hard earned knowledge. It's really appreciated.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

@ronaldvigue5124

3 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork I agree with SargentRay, I really enjoy your approach. The "this is what I've found" statement has a special value.

Awesome! Great instructional video. Some more things to consider with my current setups and future purchases.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Cheers man, Thanks

Great video on the physics of what is happening when the rifle is accelerating the bullet ! I like the Bell and Carlson fully adjustable stock and will use in my next build.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Joe, Cheers

Great video! Mark, you have a gift for teaching the layman how to think like an engineer and approach problem-solving in a logical fashion, including the use of the term, "discombobulation". Loved Sam's cameo at the end. Thanks Mate! Cheers!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Steve, glad you liked mate, Cheers and all the best.

Great video. I was only just last week, trying to explain these same/similar concepts to another shooter that asked my advice on muzzle jump. Our shooting needs don't go quite to the depths of ELR but the concepts are definitely transferable. This is a far more understandable explanation than what I came up with on the spot talking in the street. Love the demonstrations to go with clear explanation.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, and hope it helps with trying to get through, cheers and all the best.

A lot of good information in this video! It Really helps a lot! Thanks

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Drew, Cheers

Hi Mark, thank you again for sharing your knowledge. I went to the range the yesterday and (tried) to put what you said about bipods into practice and it has definitely helped. Keep up the great work Mark and Sam. Cheers Tony

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Tony, glad to help, Cheers

Thanks for sharing this information Mark. Makes a lot of sense.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

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M&s holy smokes u have just opened my eyes to this exact problem I’m dealing with said rifle is 300 rum. Never on poa after trigger is pulled, mark ur presentation was BRILLIANT in every aspect never even thought about chassis/stock being an issue till today. U sir truly define what it is to be an engineer. Yes this Rum is the sendero model with h&s stock with a vias muzzle break so to shoot prone on ground is impossible without a dirt bath. I’m guessing I need to look look at a different stock. M&s I thank you again for this ingenious look at rifle behavior thanks very much Good day.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jason, glad you liked, and while your looking at the stock/chassis, and if you mean you only shoot on the bench, you will be good, but if you do want to go prone, you might want check this video out, not trying to make a sale, but just want to point out there are some choices for the muzzle end of that equation, Cheers kzread.info/dash/bejne/gH1sysemiaXAYtY.html

Thank you again! Excellent information.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Why would anyone give a thumbs down to this. Very educational and has helped me improve my form. Thanks guys for keeping it simple, clear and concise. Keep up the good work and blah to the thumb downers!

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, thanks Paul, Cheers

Watching you would save a man many years and thousands of dollars in mistakes with wrong equipment and technique , not counting the frustration of failure. Thanks

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

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Excellent information that I had no idea I was ignorant of. Thank you.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

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Mark, thanks for the vid, muzzle jump is an enemy of many in the shooting sports as we all know. I’ve worked on my form for years in each position: sitting at the bench, prone, and off hand and still have issues with it when I am working with my heavy barrel target rifles on bi-pods. Pre-loading has helped, but isn’t allowed in the class of competition I shoot, and often neither is muzzle brakes, so your video here covering EVERY aspect of jump and where it comes from is invaluable for all shooters, no matter how experienced they may be. I’ve shot long range for over 15 years now (out to 1,000 yards) but am Just now looking into the ELR shooting and have found you and Sam the best channel by far to learn from as well as enjoyable to watch. Your info on stock and chassis construction and dynamics of recoil on the chassis especially (for me) was extraordinarily helpful. I’ve not been a fan of the chassis systems, being a bit ‘old school’ country boy from Texas, I have just stayed with my synthetic stocks, some have bedding blocks, some don’t, some I have laminate wood stocks on and some rifles I have regular wood stocks with pillars in them, but I do one thing faithfully to ALL of my rifles no matter what stock system they wear: I GLASS BED THEM. And free float the barrels and torque the action screws properly... But..... I have never considered getting my buttpad height raised as a way to combat the muzzle jump... Thanks so much for putting together this outstanding video and for the great work that you and Sam do! Now I will start testing some of the mods you made to your rifles to mine and see how they work for me and get rid of some muzzle jump... God Bless Ya’ll, Shy_Bear

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers Man, glad you liked, Cheers

What a great video! Thank you for explaining it so well Sir. These videos are helping me a lot!

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Jaco

Great video Mark! Just yesterday I wondered if you ever gonna do a video on muzzle jump as I have issues with my TRG also. Here I opened your channel this morning and whala!

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Martin, Cheers

I didn’t take notes, I’ll come back and watch again. Thanks so much. You provide invaluable scientific, engineering and shooting information.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Mike, Cheers

This is a very awesome guide/instructional video to how you setup and eliminate muzzle jump. Thank you. Love your videos. Keep up the good work. Be safe. Shoot straight. And share a smile with someone.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Shawn, Cheers

Wonderful video with great information. Thanks for the work you put into this to help others.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Ken, Cheers

All that makes a lot of sense. Thanks for sharing

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

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Great video. Gives me things to think about whilst learning on my 308 Tac A1 to then take onto a higher power ELR calibre in the future.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Excellent explanation!! I anticipated some of it but was schooled by other bits. Thanks!

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Thanks Mark, this video has been a great help. Thanks again.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

Excellent information, very well explained, effective display of chassis flex and muzzle brake effects! I learned much! Thanks God Bless

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers man, thanks

Hi Mark, A very useful video that explained the problem with one of my guns. thank you

@markandsamafterwork

7 ай бұрын

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Mark, ...if you have 1/4 in or less groups...." Me, I Always have groups of less than 1/4 in! Then I take my second shot... But seriously, I've watched this several times and learn more each time. Thanks for all you do, and those short outtake videos showing muzzle jump before and after were awesome! :)

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Slats, Cheers

I'm an F class standard shooter and found this a very good logical explanation on muzzle jump. With my setup I get a consistent jump to the right ( I shoot left handed with F class ) I think my problem lies with my body position as when I shoot right handed the rifle jumps to the left. Your thoughts on stock quality seem sound and so does your thoughts on barrel to stock alignment! My bipod has sliding feet and weighs 2.4kg , that helps keep the barrel down a little. No one I know uses a harris type bipod or similar as they are a little too hard to shoot consistently with without other mods. Thanks for your excellent video, keep up the great work .

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Joseph, well yes you are right, this video will help with jump, but there is more to recoil control, I have other videos on those details and will probably do more in the future, Cheers

Awesome !!!. Thanks for sharing your knowledge

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

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Hi Mark. This video was very enlightening to me regarding the ports on the top of a muzzle brake. I had no idea that they would push your muzzle down in that fashion. I now have something to look for and see if it's an issue. Cheers.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Thank you very well explained. From America/Oregon.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

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Thank you for covering this important topic!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Mark your speaking is clear and informative ,I am like a sponge soaking up the information you so unselfish give on your vids . In general sporting and target shooters are happy to talk however some information I get feels like they don’t really know it comes across lacking or dodgie whereas your talking comes across as well thought out practiced and decisive . Mark I’m going back through all your videos and learning learning learning Thank you very much . Cheers Chris Amies

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Chris, Cheers

Thanks for the video, Enjoyed it and learned much.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

Fabulous description of the air moving ahead of the bullet causing an effect on the muzzle brake.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers Paul, thanks

Amazing explanations and tons of information. I never knew new how the stock and chassis can affect the muzzle jump. I was about to about to buy the new xylo chassis from American Rifle company. But after u explained how this curve behind hand grip affect the jump, I understand that the design with that chassis is exactly what you referred to. In regards to muzzle brakes, in 2015, there was an evaluation of all muzzle breaks different designs to check the the recoil reduction and muzzle jump. While a design got best recoil decrease, a totally different design got the best results in preventing the Jump. It is called JB TANK. It looks ugly and not practical especially if you want to use a suppressor on top of a brake.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks, and keep in mind, looks are not always the whole story, structure and strength v force are just as relevant. On the muzzle brake deal, as said, using them to fight muzzle jump, like that design you mentioned is not something I would recommend, Cheers

Learned a lot from you, love from -NY man. Sincerely

@markandsamafterwork

8 ай бұрын

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Well thought out . Parallels my findings too .

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Awesome info! I actually have that XLR chassis for my 300WM. I'm going to have to do that same mod I think! Thanks!

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

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Wow, that video brought me to a whole new level on looking on rifles... Im quite happy with my Tikka, but I will film it and learn more about it - anyway, Im planning a new PRS, longrange benchrest rifle... dont know where it will bring me but I´ll keep you video into that consideration. Thanks.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, Cheers

Well worth the watch. Thank you

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Very informative, good job with the video.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Man

Love it Saving me a whole lotta money

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

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Having lived in Australia for twenty years, and returned to Ireland, I noticed Australian people very good at all things mechanical especially in the country, the modifications to your rifles are beautifully engineered and reasoned out, have you considered 'stock and action' structure to encourage recoil to continue rearward in a straight line? P.S. I love your videos.

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Bobby, and yes that is a lot of what we do, Cheers

THANK YOU FOR ALL YOUR TUTORIAL ......... i thing i am gonna realy need it ... for the short future to come ...

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Mark you are like Bill Nye the science guy, I meant Bill Nye the gun guy! Thanks for making it easy to understand the physics of the gun. Thanks for all you do is keep up the great videos.🎯

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, glad you like, Cheers

Great video Mark. Keep em coming!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

cheers

@jamieprice6254

2 жыл бұрын

@MarkandSam AfterWork Merry Christmas. I'm watching one your great videos right now.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

awesome, glad you like em, Cheers and Merry Christmas

Thank you, thank you, thank you! This video has the info I've been looking for to help tame muzzle jump in a Savage 25-06 that I'm working on. With this video and your other one about shooting with a bipod off of a bench I can't wait to get to the range to try all of this out. I have a Choate Tactical Custom stock on the way with an adjustable butt plate and now I know how to use that to full effect. I shoot varmints with a bipod on my rifle off of a hard tonneau cover on the bed of my pick up and I'm going to use a towel with the end two inches stitched down to create a pocket that I can push the feet of the bipod into to help hold it steady. I'm looking for recoil to come straight back, no jump - no rise - no dip. I feel like I can now achieve that goal.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@robjohnson6747

2 жыл бұрын

I’m glad you said that because I too have a savage 116 in 25-06 and that little devil bucks way more than it should ! I’ve dropped the idea of a 3-5 day seminar but I don’t have it sold yet haha

@hbudsmalley6317

2 жыл бұрын

@@robjohnson6747 I don't why this rifle jumped so badly. Very frustrating. The Choate stock and an Erik Cortina tuner/muzzle brake did the job. I can stay on target now after the shot without any problem. On the plus side the barrel tuner made this rifle extremely accurate. I love it.

@robjohnson6747

2 жыл бұрын

I don’t have a threaded barrel and felt like a sissy til you said you get jump out of it too . I can honestly say my 25-06 is on par recoil wise as my .308

@robjohnson6747

2 жыл бұрын

Thanks for your info !

Awesome video.

@markandsamafterwork

5 ай бұрын

Thanks man. Cheers

This has been fantastically helpful. I got a Boyd's AT-1 adjustable stock for my Savage Axis .308, because I am 1.98meters tall. Unfortunately my muzzle now jumps about a meter to the right of where I last shot when shooting at 100m (sighting in), after every shot. When holding the front of the rifle, it still jumps about 30 cm to the right. I am able to get approximately 3cm groups despite this. With the factory stock, though it was too short for me and not very ergonomic/comfortable for my long arms and long hands, I remember recoil being much more intense, but having next to no muzzle jump. The mechanical lock on my adjustable butt pad is in the middle of the butt pad, approximately 7 cm below the rifle bore, creating a fulcrum like you demonstrated at 10:44. It is a very rigid system though, being a hard laminate wood, so probably I am just shouldering the rifle too low, increasing the fulcrum that's inherently there. I'm looking forward to trouble-shooting (pun intended), but this time armed (another pun) with knowledge. Thanks again.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Jacopo, thanks

As always learned a lot! 👌🏼

@markandsamafterwork

6 ай бұрын

Awesome, Cheers

Very, very good. Great informations.

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers

Great explanation

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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Makes sense why my rpr in .22 mag is so accurate at 50 yards. It shoots better than anything else I have at that range. I've done so much to my ar trying to get rid of jump. Just replaced the stock and put a h2 buffer in it. It's not a huge jump but enough that at 500 yards it moves to a completely different target before the changes. Can't wait till next summer and see how much it's resolved.

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

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Great educational video. I am enjoying your work. Any recommendations for an ar10 stock with cheek and butt height adjustment.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, and not something I have played with, but all advice is there to use the same, Cheers

Very informative, Thanks

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Dave

one of your really good vids ..... dude, you really gave people a lot of info...... make a vid discussing how the "corrective" brakes effect performance shooting hot and shooting cold...... and also where bipod is attached?(hot vs cold) ..... you are indeed a "thinker" ..... I personally really enjoyed your info .... yup

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Jay, Cheers

Great video! I appreciate it very much.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Cheers

@340wbymag

3 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork I have been fighting with one of my magnum rifles for a while now and your videos have helped me to better understand the cause of my problems. Truly, your videos have helped me a great deal and I appreciate it more than words can express.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks Man, glad you like them, Cheers

I hit my thumb with me hammer stapler. I must have missed that video. Everything else is described perfectly as to what is going on. Love your videos.

@markandsamafterwork

9 ай бұрын

Cheers Man, thanks

Great info, spot on. You didn't talk about the butt pad angle, some of them are not perpendicular to the recoil.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks Griz, glad you like, and yes lots of other details when you start talking about complete recoil management, this one was just about muzzle jump, Cheers

yes worth something your time was not a waste thanks Mark

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Cheers Man

Already put it to work and it made a big difference! Now I've got to figure out how to implement some of this. The folcone on where the stock context your shoulder is pretty important and when you look at some tactical chassis they come straight back on the barrel lined your shoulder so there's virtually no angle. Wondering if I can get a stock like that for my Ruger American ranch rifle?

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

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Thanks Mark n Sam 👍

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

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Excellent video, I missed seeing the in line part, couldn't shoot my Browning 300 win mag without holding down the front stock.

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Thanks dale, Cheers

@LeeeShore

2 жыл бұрын

Browning ''BAR'' .300 Win mag? I had a BAR in 30-06 and it would try to jump out of my arms with every shot, medium power Federal factory loads.

@instandfilms9843

2 жыл бұрын

@@LeeeShore Not sure if your name is a reference to a song, but I love that song from CSN. Anyway, I have a bar in .308 and it jumps quite a bit. Hoping I can tame it after watching this a bit.

I had a 7Kg Remington 700. Off the front I hung 3Kg of lead, that fixed the problem. ( It also has a muzzle break! ). I am looking forward to my replacement chassis which is straight through from the barrel to the shoulder.

@markandsamafterwork

9 ай бұрын

Not about weight, all about line of push, all explained in full video, Cheers

Great info

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

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I need to get one of your bipods for testing and review

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Links for purchase below, Cheers

I have a few questions about muzzle jump on my Mark V Weatherby in 338-378 with a factory muzzle brake. The muzzle jump is a jump and a twist

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Jump is all explained, twist is torque from bullet accelerating, or/and your form on rifle, Cheers

Thanks for the fantastic video once again Mark, I’m on the budget friendly side of things and I was wondering if you had any experience with Vanguard bi pods Specifically the ones with the spring? Thanks again for the education. Cheers

@markandsamafterwork

Жыл бұрын

Glad you liked , and no sorry, Cheers

Hi Mark & Sam, although you clearly know a lot more about shooting than myself. I do disagree somewhat with your opinion of the GRS stocks. These stocks are by far the most ergonomically designed stocks available. They literally fit like a glove and are extremely comfortable to shoot with which for me at least far over-rides any so called twisting as you described. Anyway, great channel I really enjoy it. Cheers!

@markandsamafterwork

Ай бұрын

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Great video as always. I think my problem though is body position. I shoot an RPR in 6.5cm. I changed to a VG6 Epsilon brake which helped but the muzzle still jumps to the left. No where near as much with the new brake but it still happens. I’ve been told it’s my body alignment but I’m dammed if I get get any more straight behind the rifle !

@gingrichconstruction7242

5 жыл бұрын

Hi Mark try going past what you think is straight. You probably will need to change your cheek pad height and your length of pull/ move your scope back but I used to think the same thing till i tried to go off side enough to make it jump the other direction. Good luck!

@markbyfield7050

5 жыл бұрын

Thanks I’ll give that a try.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Well, this will help with jump, but there is more to recoil control and yes body position, butt pad to body position, preload and another dozen things are involved there, we have other video's on how I do that, but hope this helps with the jump, Cheers

Do you have any tips on how to sort out the but stock digging into the rear bag ?(Cant fit a bag rider to my ar-type stock). Any specific bag design, filling or technique that works well when the butstock is more of a "boot"- design? Great content. Thank you.

@markandsamafterwork

4 ай бұрын

We have lots of bag rider options, link below video, if nothing will work, get a better butt stock, Cheers

Mark, I was curious what your take on welding the upward ports shut is. I’ve heard you mention welding brakes together before and understand the hazards but have the welds held?

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Yes, will work, if you weld properly, the welds are as strong, if stronger than the steel, Cheers

Apart from Barrel harmonics, do you think moderators/suppressors help with managing recoil, muzzle jump. Great vid, thank you.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Well, depends on the design, most give a little bit of help but not as much or as efficient as a good brake, and FYI, Muzzle jump is only one bit or recoil management, they are not the same thing, Cheers

I have a witt machine company clamp on brake on my 06, it has the top port holes for stopping muzzle jump, but I do notice the bouncing when I shot from my bi pod. Do you thank threading those holes and installing bolts to be able to adjust the amount the ports help would be safe? Or just weld them closed and test to see where the bouncing stops. I personally like the bolt idea, it leaves it with some feature of adjustability, but I'm not 100 percent sure what thread pitch would be safe for the task.

@markandsamafterwork

7 ай бұрын

If not confident of doing get someone how is, I wouldn't make the call on someone's work without seeing the finished job!!

Hi Mark, I would imagine from the butt stock placement to your shoulder you could get muzzle rise and some deflect or twisting from side to side . The more I think about it the more I want a tactical and fully adjustable butt stock for both hunting and target shooting than the traditional butt stock I grew up shooting .

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

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I find the firmness of the rear bag can also have a large impact. My ultralite bags that I have to squeeze with my hand to adjust do not shoot as consistently as a heavy sand filled sock that requires no squeezing. It's a cheap item that screws up an expensive setup. For what it's worth.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Well, that's one of the other details to recoil control, lots of those, this video just went through muzzle jump, so didn't touch on that. FYI that is why I designed and sell our 4AW adjustable bag base, lets you adjust your bag height, so you don't need to squeeze it and it stays compacted and gives you belter recoil control and better groups, we have videos on that also, Cheers

Good points. Good days - top of the world. Bad days are like hell. I always supposed precision shooting is like chess match that never ends and it takes place in a universe of 4, 5 or 6 dimensions. If things are going south, check to see if the scope is still attached as the first order of business.

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

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You totally changed the way I veiw certain things. I sure appreciate your hard earned knowledge..... I also get a kick when you stop yourself from elaborating on certain things ..... My thing is I want to know what your holding back🤓....are you an engineer by trade?

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Just a mechanic, but well, this should help explain kzread.info/dash/bejne/moyjmZixdtfUldI.html, Cheers

Hi mark I am just starting out shooting I only have a 223 Mauser for now but would like something that would go out to 1,000 yards what would you recommend thanks for your time

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Hi Adrian, well sorry I don't make recommendations, way too many good choices, but here, kzread.info/dash/bejne/jHhkpbqMobWsfKg.html hope that helps, Cheers

Do you think "ground effect" might actually cause "uniformly distributed exhaust" muzzle brakes to actually contribute to rise? I'm a pilot that has just started LR shooting...listening to your video, it dawned on me that maybe there is some of that happening. GE=increased lift effect associated with downforce near the ground ("reflected" force from the surface). Nerd in me thought of this question LOL...

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

No, ground affects are created by the movement of the vehicle creating air pressure, the rifle/barrel are not travelling, so not creating air pressure, so no ground affect, if the bullet was travelling millimetres above ground, then yes you would get ground affects, not the case here, lol, Cheers

Wish you were a Compound Archer as well, Mate... Have you ever considered a collaboration with Nathan Foster? Cheers! 👌

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

We do a bit with a few compound bows, but sorry I don't know of Nathan, I'll google later, cheers

I'm running a Christian Ridgeline 6.5 PRC with a factory stock what would be a great choice for a new stock and still be able to use it for hunting and long range shooting! I would appreciate your feedback!

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Sorry, I have not used or seen that rifle, maybe ask your gun supplier, FYI, I would always recommend doing that research before buying the rifle, Cheers

@larryrichins7887

4 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork thank you I appreciate your feedback Love watching your videos!

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers

What are you thoughts on carbon fiber wrapped barrels?

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Done very little with them, not enough to have an opinion, Cheers

Where can i get a muzzle break like yours?

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Link to ours below video, Cheers

All my life I dreamed of finding a mint 1970s BAR in 30-06 like my Grandfather's which I loved though I'd never fired it. 2 years ago I did. First time I took it to the range, (along with my very familiar Bolt action 30-06) I fired the first round and almost dropped it because I was seated at the bench holding it as I would in the field, left arm forward, no rest, and it jumped up so hard I was actually chasing it in the air so it didn't drop on the ground! - Guys at the next table over acted concerned I didn't know what I was doing and might be an unsafe shooter. I was stunned! My Rem 721 was a love, never an issue, clays at 500m no problem with an old Bushnell 3x9x40, but I'd never felt anything like that jumpy BAR. Hated it, sold it. - *Now I'm wondering if I should've kept it, if the right muzzle break would've corrected the problem..?*

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Cheers

hehehe, as the video played i raised up my butt pad so it was in line with the action. time to go to the range!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Great to hear, Cheers

@RangerCaptain11A

2 жыл бұрын

@@markandsamafterwork at the range today it was an epiphany in recoil management. i helped my buddy tweak his rifle and bag, and he really improved too. thank you amigo.

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Awesome, great to hear, Cheers

A muzzle break needs to be screwed on to the barrel, how do you get it fastened and straight ?

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

We have a video on our store to help with that, link below, Cheers

Great thinking. But one thought.. regarding the point where the shoulder/body presses against the buttstock and as you demonstrate in the video should line up with the barell to prevent lift and rotation of the gun. Does it really matter? Hear me out: from the point that the powder ignites and the bullet has left the barrel, how far does the stock travel backwards really? It must be a matter of parts of a mm? And whats more, how much of that initial impact does the body really absorb (holds back)? Should be insignificant I would think? If the buttstock rested againt a ungiving material such as steel or a concrete wall I think it makes sence(maybe), but the tiny, tiny amount of distance it travel backward before the bullet has left must be almost nothing, and the force/hold the soft human shoulder/body can resist this transfer stage cant be much? It can't really be of importance, can it? I can understand that it much improves where the rifle settles down again, as in staying on target and being able to look at you bullet impact. That is great! But I have a very hard time believing that it really affects the gun and makes it start to rotate uppwards during that micro time it travels backward? If the bullet completes the barell distance in t=S/V (approximately t=0,6m/800m/s=0,00075 seconds, then the gun should move backwards (taking newtons law in mind regarding mass of the bullet vs the gun) around 0,3% of the bullets distance during that time giving a total transfer distance of just around 0,3% x 0,6m= 2mm. And those 2mm pushing against soft human flesh and not concrete hardly has the time to make rotation start to affect the bullet course? Think of it like this: If No human was behind the rifle, It would just move backwards in a straight line without up or down rotation. Placing a body behind the rifle makes the rifle stop/slow down and eventually it can rotate up or down if the barell line is not at the same horizon as the point of the body braking the movement. BUT, not in a short distance of 2mm during 0,75 ms? It must be insignificant? No way the body can react force enough to affect that? I now that it all looks like the gun really rises a lot in your videos when you slow down the footage, but to be fair, even if it is slowed down it is in no way being able to see what happens during the bullets barell time. In order to really have a fair chance to see what happens in the time the bullet is inside the barell you have to be filming with a high speed camera taking around 5000 frames per second? (that would be really interesting though) :-) But maybe it really affects the barell rise as you say, I just have a hard time (with a engineering background) to see it happen? Maybe, maybe if you push really hard toward the stock with a bone directly against the stock (you mentioned your collarbone) it can present a force significant to making the bullet slightly rise/drop... I just dont think it? Love your chanel by the way!! It´s great!

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Very simple answer, stop thinking and start trying, this info is driven by looking at results and then working on the why. But as I have said many times, if you shoot perfectly, you don't need to listen to me, if on the other hand, like the rest of us, you looking for ways to improve, this may well be worth a listen, Cheers

@patrik.clifford

4 жыл бұрын

MarkandSam AfterWork of Course! I will take all improvement There is! And I will try to rebalance my own rifle stance regarding stock impact point as well. And I think you Are spot on A lot of info, maybe regarding this as Well, I just Am very scientific about everything and want to understand physics and this seemed... well... weird, Not saying you are wrong though... regarding how the muzzle brake deflects the barell in an angle If the holes are not horisontal I completely Agree for instance. As I agree and learn from you in almost all you conclusions 🙂 And I understand that you are a thinker... as myself... and the rotation theory just don’t compute 100% in my mind. But I can be wrong.. Have to test this out I think 👍 Keep up the great work!

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Cheers

So basically my hunting rifle with its combed wooden stock is going to have muzzle jump and there is nothing I can do about it ? I know it has a lot because after every shot I am looking at the sky. Thanks for sharing your knowledge.

@markandsamafterwork

4 жыл бұрын

Well not much, Cheers

I notice you seem to use bipods a lot. I don't understand how a preloaded bipod unloading when the shot is fired doesn't raise the barrel - I'm just looking at it from the point of view of the geometry - the legs go from being at a slant, to being straight up and down. Why doesn't this raise the barrel? Really struggling with the decision of whether to start using a bipod or not. Thanks for some really great videos!!!

@markandsamafterwork

2 жыл бұрын

Pre load is only slight so no appreciable slant, also other Bipod shooting videos to explain more on the channel, otherwise maybe go to your local range and do some shooting and see...Cheers

Mark if you are still there, the first 19mins of the vids have distortion on the sound I have checked other vids (yours and others) to make sure it's not my end.

@markandsamafterwork

5 жыл бұрын

Maybe the upload taking a while to sort, we did have some mic issues at the end, but not about to redo the video, I don't have another day to spare, hope you will be ale to cope, sorry if it doesn't improve, but tried to pass on a fair bit there, Cheers and thanks for the concern.

@DeeMoback

5 жыл бұрын

the content is the important thing..... much more so than sound quality..... just my opinion

@leafbone1

5 жыл бұрын

@@DeeMoback Not complaining in any way at all just mentioning something that Mark may not be aware of. I have intermittent tinnitus and the distortion was in the same range, so at first I just thought it had returned. Regardless of the vid or content I keep in mind that I am basically watching and learning for free.

@DeeMoback

5 жыл бұрын

@@leafbone1 I have spina bifada ..... never knew times without backpain.....rolled out of bed as a child onto my knees often..... played all sports track,baseball,football,etc....as adult played professional billiards and professional golf.....hunted and fished my whole life.....don't grieve over a handicap, overcome it...... I know a blind multi-millionaire and also one who cannot read or write..... get Mark to custom build you a rifle and go shoot..... when as a child I complained my Mom said, "just be glad that you can walk"

If we all sent you 1% of what you saved us you would be very rich, but you two already are above money rich!

@markandsamafterwork

3 жыл бұрын

Lol, Yep, thanks Dale, Cheers