What a great comparison. I have the pp1 version of these cars. I'm in love with it. I am the "1 trackday/year type of guy", so it suits me fine.

All I know is, the new Mustang looks very cool. And I want one.

@michaeljordan6008

5 жыл бұрын

It's a very good looking car. I wish the Camaro wasn't so ugly.

@jellyii8886

5 жыл бұрын

2019 camaro is ugly, not the 16 - 18 camaro.

@vali69

5 жыл бұрын

All I know is that i can't afford one

@kb2711

5 жыл бұрын

I bought one couple months back. Be it new or used, you won’t regret it. This is an incredible car. It never gets stale - you’ll always have a great time driving this!

@Dante_S550_Turbo

5 жыл бұрын

I just got an old stock new 2018 since the 19's are already out. Cheaper than the used ones XD

I hate when people review cars and it's raining how are you going to talk about Michelin sport cup two tires while it's down pouring

@jpogigtxcr1778

4 жыл бұрын

Istayfly Always Like can't they just wait for a sunny day? There's no monsoon season in North America, it can rain one day and be totally dry the other. I'd understand if it were in the UK.

@jeremyhuggins8796

4 жыл бұрын

They did a complete comparison before getting rained out. Did you even watch the video?

you should review a pp2 vs 1le Camaro

@MarkB-zt9jm

5 жыл бұрын

Camaro will kick ass ! But if you can't see out of it who wants it ?

@macace21

5 жыл бұрын

They first need to learn that you don't track this 10r80 car in auto mode when "track mode" is paddles only, what a shit review!

@Steve-yr5vi

5 жыл бұрын

The comparison is fun, and I'm glad they do them. This competition between the Camaro and Mustang is good for Camaro and Mustang fan alike. I personally see the Mustang and Camaro as competitors only because of their history. Today the Mustang is much more utilitarian than the Camaro. There are video's on how unusable the Camaro's back seat and trunk are, the Mustang is a very good track car yet Ford managed to find a way to keep the car usable for those that have a life outside their car.

@73asbwoods

5 жыл бұрын

I agree that will make a great comparison video. By the way congratulations on your Mustang, it's coming along and looking great.

@DragonKnightX12

5 жыл бұрын

Before Sunrise Mustang has a bigger trunk but even more worthless back seats. The Challenger is the only one that is really any utilitarian

Both need to be manuals to be a fair comparison. The PP2 pack has one of the better looking wheel designs from Ford that I can remeber. Love Hollie's insights

@thefitnesslife4988

5 жыл бұрын

Blake Swan Yeah, those wheels look better and different , almost everyone with a s550 5.0 has those same black pp wheels with spacers set up.

@Toto-wk6kf

5 жыл бұрын

Garbage waste of money and gas

@DragonKnightX12

5 жыл бұрын

PP2 is manual only PP1 can still get the Auto

@Spiritcr1jsher

4 жыл бұрын

@jon doe not really true in road racing .

@teddydavid2816

3 жыл бұрын

Yea those might be the best stock wheels I've ever seen not on a supercar..

wow, great compare. pp2 is like a GT350 Lite

As far as wheel design the level 1 gloss black look better but the level 2 is a beast!

So appreciate the review bro, but its a MUST, that both have to have the stick my man !!

I wonder that the pp2 wheels and tires would do to the pp1. I'm going to assume the pp1 would gain a full 2 seconds on the track just with the wheels and tires alone.

Great review. I have a 18 PP1 with Magneride and I added Ford Performance GT350 Springs (M-5300-W) to the car. These springs are from the GT350 and only work with Magneride equipped cars. I also added 11 inch rear and 10 front wheels and tires. Completely changed the dynamics of the car for the better and it's a beast on track. The car ran a lap time of 0.6 seconds behind a GT350 with the same driver on same track. These are amazing cars and with a small amount of mods from Ford can really up the ante. This is the route you should go if you want a 10 Speed with the performance of a PP2

@webersteve1547

3 жыл бұрын

And how are the wider tires on the road (rain etc)? I plan to upgrade to wider tires

thanks for the great video! deciding between GT premium and GT premium with PP1 as daily driver.

@mykejohnson582

3 жыл бұрын

That's what i got the 2019.5 Mustang GT Premium PP1 6 sp Shadow blk/blk package/w373 rear end and i absolutely love this car!, at first i did't because i had a 2014 Mustang CVS 3.7 Prem/PP with 355 rear end S197 and that V6 was a lil rocket but man this car here screams and means business.

Great review! Really wish ford put the tr6060 manual in the 18' GT that mt82 is kinda not so great even with revisions 😥

Right now there is still pp1 and 2 options or just one performance package option

I live in Arkansas between the Ozarks and the Ouachita Mountains....the PP2 makes me drool and I can't wait to trade/sell my 2017 GT.

I would go for the PP2 and then get a second set of wheels/tires from the PP1 for driving on the street, save those Cup 2 tires for track use only. Seems crazy to wear down a great track tire puttering around on the street. C&D tested it on their annual lightning lap this year and it was actually faster than the 1LE, although they liked the feel of the 1LE much better, and they said the rear diff kept overheating after only 2-3 laps.

@DragonKnightX12

5 жыл бұрын

Eric Michel Seems odd they put it on a car they know most people are gonna keep on the road and just brag about having it.

I got the Ford Mustang GT PP1.. Kona blue ..Loads of fun.. leave traffic behind always!

I bought the Automatic specifically for the drag strip and yes, 11.9 in a factory powered car is exceptional!!! It comes out of the quarter in 7th gear and the Hellcat only has 7 gears so it’s a real close race between the two. The 10 speed transmission is of that super car stats. Best bang for your buck at the drag strip, is where I am usually at because there are so many in any direction I go, get the automatic and be one of the fastest cars that you never had to mod in your life for under 40k.

- Manual versus automatic - Cloth Recaros versus leather comfort seats Geez what an awesome comparison :S

@DJ_Force

3 жыл бұрын

Next up, we compare the Corvette C8 to the F150. The Corvette is seriously lacking in towing and cargo, while on the track the F-150 was struggling around every turn...

I run a 1:47 in a '15 Ecoboost Mustang with PS4S tires. I would expect the PP1 to be faster but you guys where 2 seconds slower. A 1:44 in the PP2 seems okay.. I'm currently looking to replace my Mustang with either a new PP2 or a used GT350.

I was hoping you'd compare regular gears vs. 3.73 with Torsen

It was obvious that the better and wider wheels give it better traction. Also put 275/40R19 on the rear of my 2010 GT and it makes a lof of difference on acceleration and in turns.

What color blue was the PP1 ? Lightning ? Just guessing ?

Going 2 test drive the PP2 tomorrow!!!

wow that PP2 looks really sharp

How come you don’t use the shift-paddles??? 🤔

you should do a comparison of the 2015 Mustang Rocket V.S. the 2018 Mustang Rocket Bunny

Hey Cars.com, pay attention: PP1 vs PP2, both manuals, both with same fuel levels, both driven and tested in sane 'DRY" conditions and back to back, with a skilled driver!!!. I'm not the best stick shift jokey but in the too 10% and ran a PP2 car with 3/4 of a tank of 91 octane (which means 447-450 hp), to 60 mph in 4.4 sec (the magazines ran 4.3 sec) and a 12.6@116 1/4 mi. Again, nearly matching the magazines, and it was worth noting it was 92* degrees outside too. I then went and drove a Camaro SS 1LE, same temps and roads and hour later and did 0-60 in 4.5 sec (magazines did 4.4), and 12.6@115 in the 1/4.... This test shows a manual PP2 car with super sticky tires running slower than a 2015-17 GT or even a 2011-2014 GT. Pathetic.

HOW can you compare two packages with different transmissions?

Why no mention of paddle shifters?

I just bought the PP2 Great video on it. But one correction there is a difference in brake hardware. PP2 is equipped with the Extreme duty police brake pads and PP1 uses the standard duty pads.

Love the fact that someone actually compared both levels on the track, granted one was an auto. I imagine that the PP1 could've done slightly better with a manual. Now if only we could see PP2 against the 1LE!

@AF93510

5 жыл бұрын

pp2 does not compete with the 1LE... base gt350 is at the same track performance level as the ss 1le

@mistamaog

5 жыл бұрын

Angelo F A GT 350 out laps the 1LE, and the R is barely a slower than a standard ZL1 on a track.

@rlhmarines

5 жыл бұрын

The SS 1LE out laps the regular GT350 and is faster than the GT350R on some tracks, the ZL1 is also faster but the ZL1 1LE is much much faster.

So bottom line is they need to make a PP2. 10speed!!!!!

How do i know if my 2019 mustang gt is pp1 or pp2?

Do the Mustang GT PP2 vs the Camaro SS 1LE

I've been a mustang guy through and through, but with the issues with the trans in the mustang for the manual gear box, esp for the price of the car, it's really disappointing. The SS 1LE has been a lot appealing lately. Both beautiful cars it would come down to the test drive since there aren't any head to head vids of PP2 vs SS1LE.

It is a different car ,but Ford engineer said the pp2 is actually considered a street car . For example couldn't track the pp2 for long not having a differential cooling for long tracking that's big deal .

Why cant you get pp2 in an automatic???

Crazy how big a difference a set of track tires make.

@Ford_Raptor_R_720hp_V8

6 жыл бұрын

Track Tires and their Size

I googled pp2 and it doesnt come up

why compare 2 different trans options against 2 packages DA

is there a difference in horsepower when it comes to the non performance package (regular mustang) vs performance package?

@untactfuldragon5978

3 жыл бұрын

Did u ever find out was their a difference

You are the first person I’ve ever heard say the 10 speed is sluggish on the street and it shifts slow, I honestly feel like you lost credibility on that statement. The 10 speed in the 18 gt is anything but slow. Numbers don’t lie.

@michaeljordan6008

5 жыл бұрын

james merrell - I agree. Unless the 10 speed wasn't properly operating, it makes no sense.

@nigel_white

5 жыл бұрын

Have either of you actually driven the car?

@teamextreme334

5 жыл бұрын

Nigel White what kind of stupid question is that? Have you? Obviously you haven’t if you agree that it shifts slow lol?? I’ve been in the Zl1 under full pull and a roush charged 18gt on stock trans and internals and both cars shifted flawlessly faster then tanner foust...

@nigel_white

5 жыл бұрын

james merrell no I haven't driven the car, which is why I was asking. Given the choice between someone who has driven the car and someone who hasn't, logically speaking, who's opinion should I be more inclined to listen to? Obviously the person with first hand experience. Neither you nor the other fellow indicated that either of you had driven a Mustang with the 10 speed so for all I knew you may have been yet another couple of ass clowns shooting your mouths off about something you had no actual knowledge of. But of course, that never, ever happens in youtube comments, so I guess it was stupid of me for asking. I'll try to be more gullible in the future.

@sliknik1025

5 жыл бұрын

I drove new 10 speed 5.0. Felt a little slow to me even in track mode. Coming from 8 speed ZF Charger SRT. I think I prefer manual. But they still put Chinese mt82 as in my ‘14 5.0. It’s not bad. But honestly I just can’t really say it’s good. Lol

damn 11.9 in a mustang gt....

@joemomma707

4 жыл бұрын

The hunger has returned. It never really left. Right

I'm not a huge Mustang fan, but I love the GT350 and I thought Holly had a great body, lol.

now if we can see a pp2 vs a ss 1le...

@alexanabolic5099

5 жыл бұрын

It has been done many time and the result is always the same. Better comparing mustang vs mustang

@alexanabolic5099

5 жыл бұрын

CareerFireman if you want to conpare to the 1le, you must bring the gt350r

@gigi9467

5 жыл бұрын

Alexandre Baril it still loses sorry to tell you.

@gigi9467

5 жыл бұрын

CareerFireman u said the same thing i said "if we can see thr pps vs the 1le". trying reading some!

@bmillz5.054

5 жыл бұрын

Alexandre Baril bring the zl1 then

So the pp2 just have better tires?, that can be worn out in just a track day use. No power boost or anything?.

@daironhorse

5 жыл бұрын

The suspension is more track calibrated as are the springs and sway bar with better brakes and rotors along with more downforce at Both the front and rear.

We need motortrend to test this two and the gt350

@A.ChristopherJohnson

5 жыл бұрын

Nah bro PP2 vs the Gt350 or the Bullitt vs the PP1

Some comments in the video seem funny. Like the PP2 being "questionable" for road use... At the most all you'd have to do is swap the tires out and keep the stickies for track days.

Compare these drag times to the BMW 335i: Coupe Automatic. Car and driver tested the 335i coupe automatic: C/D TEST RESULTS: Zero to 60 mph: 4.9 sec Zero to 100 mph: 12.1 sec Zero to 140 mph: 26.7 sec Street start, 5-60 mph: 5.5 sec Standing ¼-mile: 13.4 sec @ 106 mph

Too few pp2 made. What’s the point?

Pp1 without the shocks vs pp2 both in 6speed is the only way to have a real comparison

@WobblinGoblin1

5 ай бұрын

Agreed. That way we can see the exact differences between the performance of the two cars, apple-to-apple. Their PP1 with an auto and Magneride shocks defeats the purpose of the comparison.

they are worried the 3rd/4th gear shift forks will break..

I would get the PP2 mustang and put less aggressive tires.

They should have made the pp1 and pp2 both optional for the automatic and the manual. I wonder if Ford will bring out auto pp2's when Chevy more than likely decides to bring out the 10 speed in the Camaro because you know it's likely coming. I mean they did co-produce the transmission lol. I want to see an auto pp2. We would be talking about better times and numbers across the board. They could easily calibrate the transmission and other things even more if they needed to as well

I do not agree with the street for the pp2 I have one and it’s fine on the street

1:17 omg why does the wheel and tire look so small!????

@thordiesel6.7

4 жыл бұрын

Angle.

I love mine.

I don’t know. I have the pp1 equipped with Magneride and you can feel it instantly. The steering wheel instantly becomes tighter when putting it into sport mode over normal based on the suspension change. Huge difference. But I do agree the car has different stabilizer and strut bars that are stiffer. But really it’s doubtful there’s any other advantage besides what I mentioned and the stickier tires when it comes to the Magneride itself. You can’t “fine tune” a dampening system that’s the whole point of the dampening system. It does it on its own. If you were to get the pp1 with the Magneride and add stiffer struts and sways plus upgrade the wheels. Besides spending about 2k extra. You would come out with a better car if not the same vehicle feel. This “tuning” your speaking about are replaceable parts. Not much more. Price wise the pp2 is the better deal. 100%. No doubt. Unfortunately wasn’t available when I got my pp1 with Magneride. Shame because the difference in price was minuscule at best.

@thomasreynolds1530

6 жыл бұрын

I don't have magneride and mine does this. It's not the suspension.

@biggboysouth

6 жыл бұрын

The steering is electric and is not tied to the suspension. You can change how the steering feels through the infotainment in any drive mode.

@TheCdM1981

5 жыл бұрын

biggboysouth you instantly feel The stiffer suspension when you adjust it. And the feel isn’t the same as a mustang with out magneride. You feel every bump when in sport mode. It’s an instant difference. And yes the steering is stiffer which it’s supposed to be.

@nigel_white

5 жыл бұрын

C M you can't "fine tune" a damping system? Oh really? Huge amounts of time and money are invested in tweaking compression and rebound rates of dampers for optimal performance. They don't just work by magic, particularly with something like magnaride, which opens up a whole new world of damping adjustability.

Next time 2 stick shifts dude, for your loyal subscribers bro !!

Why would u do an automatic on the track and compare it to a manual? Lap times should be different🤔

Nittos are longer lasting tires..Best to have a second set of wheels..swapout the Michelin Pcups for the Nittos

Idk why they didn't offer the pp2 with auto. Also, did you guys not know the car has paddle shifters? I wish it shifted down one more gear lol. Then do it on the paddles. Also, just slap those wheels on the pp1 auto and you'll beat the pp2 everywhere. I highly doubt the little "tuning" makes that difference. The 13.3 1/4 mile is embarrassing.

Ok I have the 2018 gt in a mt82, (stick) now the 10speed auto is really fast and I feel like it is hunting for the right gear but it's not bad at all. But plan and simple the 10 speed is no slump on the street the car hauls. And i feel like everything this guy said was BS after that statement. I love my pp1 with the manual for daily use and moderate track use. For the price the you can keep the pp2. I have the base interior with a pp1 and people it's the way to go. Decently priced when you consider the performance across the board for a push button fun daily. That really you don't have to do anything. Plus the 6 piston brembo. Upfront are really nice.

@gerritgraham9185

5 жыл бұрын

In which performance package do you get the recaro seats and the 373 gears without the active exhaust? I have cool neighbors, they wouldn't say anything if I came in my neighborhood with straight pipes lol.

If the 10 speed automatic transmission has paddle shifters why would anyone complain about it not downshifting in the straight aways?

I wonder if the PP1 would have killed the PP2 on the track if it had a similar tire setup.

@williamdriver1959

3 жыл бұрын

I bet it would

PP1 and automatic of course. I believe my PP1 2022 is better than my 2018 gt350. It’s just a better car, comfortable, nicer and more practical. If you want to go to the track just buy a new wheel and tire setup. The paddle shifters and a better tire and wheel combo would have decimated that standard pp2.

After having driven the GT350 and the '19 PP2, I'll say this, the PP2 is on the street what we wish the GT350 was... That car is absolutely aggressive, sounds nasty, looks nasty, handles really well.... What more could you want? Oh it's also got a usable powerband 💪 (And that active valve exhaust....)

Pp2 is the dream car

When Ford drops the Tremec in the GT, I'll take the stick. Until then, I'll be enjoying the brutally quick automatic.

@joemomma707

4 жыл бұрын

Michael Jordan same

@thedude2897

4 жыл бұрын

2021 Mach 1.

So PP2 with 10 speed auto? Got it.

I was so ready for this video till he said automatic.

I like manual mustangs

@sategllib2191

5 жыл бұрын

@jon doe it means you actually enjoy driving the car. Not scared to drive it yourself

All things were not equal with these 2 cars. Looks like the pp1 had 401a package which is the lux stuff. Vs the pp2 which can be equipped that way but seems to be more purpose built for track duty with less options tacked on. Oh yeah Auto vs Manual, really?!?? Oh yeah and tires make a huge difference when it comes to track comparos pp2 had track tires vs the pilot 4s pp1. That alone was single biggest issue with this comparison. Love both cars though. Just not a great apples to apples comparison.

How the fuck do you get a 13.3 1/4 mile with the PP2?

Dat overheating doe..

Shoulda been same transmissions

I'd want a pp2 but with the pp1 spoiler

I’m a little confused---Ford is saying that pp2 is not a real track car due to fact that the car has heating issues on track due to lack of trans and diff coolers?

@AF93510

5 жыл бұрын

that is correct, pp2 is a street performance pack, it is not a package designed for extended track use... unlike the camaro 1le which is

Quarter mile elapsed times without trap speeds? Come on guys . . .

In good air: PP2 should be good for a 12.30 1/4 mile PP1 with the 10 speed maybe 11.90 Don't even bother drag racing a manual car if you're not going to power shift...

@SpyderRios

5 жыл бұрын

331Grabber I don’t think you can do that with the Mustang transmission but I agree that a 12.3 is attainable but more realistic is a 12.5

13.3 for the pp2 WTF some one needs to learn how to drive a manual. I ran a 12.9 in a stock 2012 with a track pack only thing I changed was the trash Pirelli tires to 285 BFGs

@golden290

4 жыл бұрын

Rain..

13 seconds!

man stock gt runs 11.9 thats pretty mad

Who really stays in normal mode?

Looks like those coup tires are worn out already! Not cheap to replace. As much as these cars cost who would take a chance going to the track? Get a 2012/13 Boss for the track! Much cheaper!

The blue sucks...but you want the orange to show on the street...not the track...just a color mistake....blue track with orange parts....they advertise mag ride....had it first on my 2003 50TH annv vette

Everyone talks about the auto not being in the correct gear out of turns. Why don't they take it out of auto mode and use the paddle shifters? The formula cars all have paddle shifters. You would think a so called professional would use them but she wasn't either. It's really the Same thing you shift the car manually just without the clutch. It's really funny how many people down the autos and most of them can't drive stick the right way anyway.

And the 18s got even heavier than the 15s.... which got heavier than the previous Gen, the Pony got FAT.

Once I saw they had different transmissions, I clicked it off 😒

@k.c.slawncare6046

5 жыл бұрын

Quincy Jones Actually, you probably wrote this comment before clicking off.

The average guy who tracks his car maybe 5 times a year won’t be able to tell the difference between pp1 or pp2 granted they have the SAME tires.

Doing a comparison and they have different transmissions.. lol fail

PP1 look more pretty

Wish the 2017 had the 10 auto the new body are ugly not worth it I'll just wait 2 more years

they shouldnt have produced a "performance package" car with an auto. what a shame.....

And if you did a 13.3 you can’t drive

Don’t lean on the car ...

that comparison was awful. Compare the gt pp2 against the camaro ss 1le watch the mustang mop the floor with the camaro

@jellyii8886

5 жыл бұрын

Actually the PP2 Mustang is about 1/2 to a full second slower than the Camaro 1LE still on Laguna Sega.

@jast73

5 жыл бұрын

You're delusional

@michaelhill6627

5 жыл бұрын

I'm a Ford fan but the 1LE is Chevy's master piece and quite faster than the mustang. When the gt 500 comes out hopefully Ford will be back on top

@CoyoteFTW

5 жыл бұрын

jast73 - MOP THE FLOOR.

@CoyoteFTW

5 жыл бұрын

Michael Hill - Ford is already on top with that 5.0 coyote engine!

Pp2 to me is flop. What ford should of brought back was the boss 302 An retune it to 485 hp. That would of sold quickly. Pp1 autos are for drag racing I would never suggest track racing a 10r80 way to much heat for stock auto transmission my opinion. I feel tons of heat after a 1/4 mile run an that’s over in 12seconds.

@underfedcoyote5.022

5 жыл бұрын

howard weitzell when the motors don’t hold up under N/A notsure putting boost is a good idea. Mine is going in next week new motor an only has 3900 miles. Well I hope they replace my short block. From what im told they are.

Pp2 rides worse than the ss 1le..and isn't as friendly/enjoyable...and is slower on a track. (Before u shout at me..yes I've driven them and I study automotive engineering)

@xkc9689

5 жыл бұрын

The digital screen is hella cool tho, chevy should follow on that

Lost me when an auto was compared to a manual. Useless comparison. Anyone can figure out pp2 will be better on the track and pp1 better on the street. ..