Just discovered Jinjer (was never a metal fan) and I’m blown away by them. I guess I’m, cautiously, a metal fan now. I’m old enough to have been a Captain Beefheart fan in the 60s, and trying to make sonic sense of some of Jinjer’s compositions reminds me of a comment in a review of Beefheart’s Trout Mask Replica which said that Beefheart’s music was the ultimate dance music, depending on how many dances you can do at once! I think the same thing applies to Jinjer. I’m not a musician so I love the comments on the technical aspects of performing in and recording a loud live concert.

The click tracks that can be played through IEMs are highly customizable and each band member can have slight variations, if desired. Vocal counts can even be added to a click track....for example, at a stop, the vocal IEM track might countdown 3.2.1. to queue the singer when to come back into a track. The actual rythum itself doesn't really change (unless there is a deliberate tempo change)...it's how the rythum is subdivided in various parts of the song. That still requires the musicians to know a song cold and to know where the "1" is at any given time. The click tracks mostly are there to help make sure all of that is happening tightly to remain "in the pocket". Very important on a song like this where straying would be a train wreck rather quickly. There are times where a drummer will intentionally play a little behind or a little ahead of the beat/click, but that's another discussion. IEMs also allow the members to hear each other more clearly. Rob Halford from Judas Priest has said he doesn't know how he lived without them and that he often oversang in order to hear himself on stage. This Video: I don't think is a good video for a reviewer that is going into the video cold. It's better for Jinjer fans who already know the song. The audio mix is very washy, the mix DOES heavily favor the right side in the early part of the song and the fast parts of Captain Clock have that rare moment where Roman's and Eugene's frequencies are stepping all over over each other. The result being a muddy mix that is true on the studio album as well. This IS a great video to see the energy level of the band live, which I can attest is fantastic. Tati is a great frontman that owns the stage and crowd. The jazz-fusion fan in me loves all the changes in this song, but too much of this song is a sonic mess, which is rare for Jinjer and now sounds very sophomoric considering how this band has grown. Cheers

@coder4liberty

6 ай бұрын

I hate to be that old guy who goes on about "back in my day" but yeah these crazy kids and their new fangled toys. We didn't have in-ears back in the day. The loudness wars existed on stage before they existed in recording and it got bad toward the end of the 80s and into the early 90s. In-ear monitors saved everyone from a bunch of hearing loss. They aren't perfect but I would have loved having those on stage. You're exactly right about the recording. it shows the energy but technically isn't great. None of the recordings from that festival are including the full Lamb of God concert that is out there. I was listening to a pod cast the other day with Max Morton who is Jinjer's engineer and producer. He said that festivals like this usually just supply a feed from the FOH board for recordings and if a band wants better they have to do it themselves which is actually mind blowing to me because that's how bands on a lower level like bar bands have done it for a very long time. I've done so many of those I couldn't even count them at this point. Modern digital consoles have the ability to facilitate full multitrack recording easier than it's ever been and yet bar bands that own their own consoles and carry them around have a better chance of getting a decent multitrack recording of their performances than bands like Jinjer or Lamb of God. They should be able to set it up so that the band just gives them a little money and an SD card and they get back a multitrack of the performance. Hell they can hire me to do it. That's apparently what happened to the Wacken Open Air performance. Perennial turned out better because the band did their own multitrack. The others not so much on top of the technical problems they had the entire set.

@easyfunkycrazy

6 ай бұрын

Wow, thank you so much for this explanation! I learned a lot! :D Now I'm even more annoyed thought that the guitar player wasn't wearing his XD

@ThePizzablogger

6 ай бұрын

@@easyfunkycrazy some people don't like their IEMs and can play without them. Tati very frequently takes out her left ear IEM during growling segments of a song to hear better. It's a matter of preference. Either way, you have to be very talented and practice all the time to play as tight live as Jinjer does. Cheers.

@coder4liberty

6 ай бұрын

@@easyfunkycrazy Well one side effect of most people using them is that for instance the guitar players don't have to have walls of speakers on stage to hear their guitar. So overall stage volume on stages is much lower. The in-ears bother some people because while it lets you hear all the instruments direct from microphones or direct from the instrument they also seal you away from the environment. You can't hear the crowd or the room and that is disconcerting to some people. So they may only leave one in or insist on having a traditional wedge monitor on stage. The volume only gets out of control if everyone does it so it's not quite as bad for roman as all that. Vlad (the drummer) has a drum playthrough video of their song Mediator out on KZread that he did at a show. 20 years ago that would have been harder because the stage volume would have been too high to get the same quality.

@srudine

5 ай бұрын

Thanks for the great commentary!

Resurrection Fest is held in Spain.

The socks are kind Tatiana's signature. Just about every look she's had (and she's had a lot of them) has included those socks. Resurrection Fest is in Spain. I believe it's basically on the ocean shore..

@easyfunkycrazy

6 ай бұрын

Hahahaha, interesting signature XD And thanks for letting me know where Resurrection Fest is! :D

Jinjer never becomes boring because of the changing of the rhytm while other bands like for instance judas priest which i grew up with as good as it is you know it by heart after a while. Don,t get me wrong i still love judas priest but not being a musician myself i keep discovering new things in the music with jinjer things i did not hear before. That is also why i watch these reactions i constantly learn new things from people that know more about music than i do. It never bores!

@easyfunkycrazy

5 ай бұрын

I think there's probably a good place for both, you know? Sometimes you want something new and odd, and sometimes you just want something familiar 😃

Spain!

Lol the final part of the song which is the generic part with clean vocals, a band like jinjer can make a thousand songs like that without even trying an iota 😂......but they are an extremely technical proggy band who keep experimenting with complex time signature changes and unorthodox song structures even though it may lose some mainstream appeal for casual ears. Different bands choose different paths...it is what it is lol.

I consider Jinger more of a jazz metal. I usually listen to Jinjer in my playlist at the gym. I found that the Jinjer song Captain Clock really grows on you the more you hear it. I found that by the fourth or fifth, listen, I really liked the song.

@Iamsmallfry

5 ай бұрын

Also, as I’ve aged and understand and feel lyrics more, this one tickles that spot, too. Well, tickling and talking about life flying by probably not the best way to put it.

The guitars in this recording aren't the best and it took me listening to the album version to really appreciate how good it is. The OMV is a lyric video and there are some other singing parts in it where she screams here. The live version from the Alive In Melbourne album is mixed better than this too. I get why people recommend this one with the way Tati just crushes this performance, especially the ending.

This is stereo track recording so definitely problem is with your audio/headphones.

@easyfunkycrazy

6 ай бұрын

I recorded other reactions after and the sound was fine. 🤔

@tomislavkosanovic1104

6 ай бұрын

It seems only your left ear likes Jinjer, the other just can't stand them ;)@@easyfunkycrazy

@easyfunkycrazy

5 ай бұрын

@@tomislavkosanovic1104 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Guiarist doesn't wear any ear... 🤣 Honey, there is no such noise on the stage, you are in a more dangerous situation with headphones on your ears than he is on stage

The time signatures and polyrhythms JINJER utilizes are complex, these guys aren’t your run of the mill metal musicians. As far as click tracks, most jazz musicians or accomplished musicians don’t use them and usually what you see are ear pieces that protect their hearing. But, some good musicians do use them and they can be programmed to the rhythms and time signatures and sometimes that has solely to do with the venue. On stage the acoustics can be horrible and the music sounds like just a roar on stage, but to me, even when playing complex time signatures click tracks are a hindrance. I don’t know any jazz musicians that I’ve played with use them. Admittedly JINJER is what I like to call a musicians metal band. It’s like jazz that is sometimes hard for non musicians to digest, but after a few listens you begin to understand and enjoy them. The drummer is an accomplished classical pianist and took up drums just to play with JINJER whose drummer left the band, he’s considered a genius. That’s one of the driving factors of the bands complex rhythms I’m sure besides the guitar and bass players who are phenomenal!! AND THEN THERE’S TATIANA!! WOW!! LOVE JINJER!! 🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽🤘🏽

@rodneyramirez603

5 ай бұрын

I don’t see ear monitors on the guitar player or the bass player I think

якщо від початку і до кінця займатися сексом у одному ритмі то це швидко стане нудним. Музика є таким собі аудіосексом

I like some, but not all of Jinjer's song's. This one flat out sucks IMO! Try Tati's Judgement & Punishment live one take. It actually has rhythm for a (welcome) change and it has a fun intro (also IMO). Give her one more shot. Thanks Shira!

@easyfunkycrazy

5 ай бұрын

Hahaha will do!