Producers carrying all the fkin rappers.

@sebbo1496

Жыл бұрын

that'S why i hate when people say "he's and artist...and he's a producer". wtf you think creating music from scratch is? it's art. i'm just a hobbyist but i hate the terminology. producer/composer etc. is what they are doing. especially with how dumbed down rap is these days in terms of lyrics and with the autotune the percentage is even more questionable

@TahniZCat2

Жыл бұрын

Noooo, not all producers are carrying all the rappers. Some. . . Maybe. All? Naw. . .

@fiirasmusic5366

Жыл бұрын

@@mcmdbeats yeah the beat sets the atmosphere of the song

@jamesjr2550

Жыл бұрын

@@TahniZCat2 most let's not play like the beats ain't saving most of them

@simpiderman

Жыл бұрын

Some rappers also carrying producers.

He’s right about the fact that he may deserve more for putting in the money & the work to promote the song, but 10-20% feels almost spiteful. Record labels will steal the fuck out of an artist’s earnings, but God forbid someone who actually contributed to the existence of the song get paid sufficiently for their work.

@jamesjr2550

Жыл бұрын

But he still can get money from shows we dont get none of that money we

@terryperez7615

Жыл бұрын

No he’s not right in any way he’s salty asf…..he’s spending money on promotion because that’s what it takes to be an independent artist he prolly can’t even rap fr

@single_cam9199

Жыл бұрын

Fuck no. He went to someone who made music. Why sound we pay the way for them. No one payed for my equipment

@Corporate_Desecration

Жыл бұрын

@@terryperez7615 Right, but if you’re making royalties off the success of a song, it should be proportionate to the resources you put toward that success. If the artist spent more for promotion on a song that became very successful, I’m fine with them receiving more of the share to compensate for that cost. But it should always be fair, and the industry does largely undervalue producers. If he’s mad at someone for wanting too big of a percentage, there are much more predatory systems taking their cut (streaming services, distribution services, record labels, management companies, etc). I’m all for negotiating a fair price based on the resources contributed to the success of a song, but right now the splits are largely unfair

Tbh none of it is black and white in any capacity. There is SO many factors that go into play with splits. There is no blanket answer, gotta take into account if the artist has a label, indie, dropping with video, budget and a million other things. The different types of percentages in a song is waaaaaay more in depth than 90% of musicians understand and it was made to be that way for a reason... But really understanding the differences between leases, publishing, performance royalties, advances, points on a record. SO many different things to take into account and I don't think it helps that most musicians don't understand how income works in music.

@brotherlygaming1520

Жыл бұрын

Wassup Cxdy

As a producer in this for 13 years, this is a heavy topic so I'mma shorten it to this: Back then in the 80s going into earliest of 90s people were rapping over the same beat, till some people changed the game and made something sicker to rap over. Since then beats have fluctuated in style and cadence, simple boom bap drums with industrial sounds, or complex Futuristic (no pun intended) trap, Hyper pop, neo soul, rnb and other sounds that completely changed the game. That said, most super producers are super producers cause they put heart and soul in their music and aren't the type to say "I made 10 finished beats in 10 minutes"; with disappointing similar patterns and styles, expecting to get the same type of percentage as a "T-Pain", "Swizz Beats", "Just Blaze" etc. If you make a hit instrumental that makes everyone wanna rap to it (Never by J. I. D., Panda by Desiigner, So gone by Monica, lemonade by Gucci, etc.) The producer deserves more than a mere 20%-30%, but if you aren't putting in that work, and the rapper is doing all of it, don't expect more than 10%! Simple as that.

@prodbygunter

Жыл бұрын

Could not have said it better!!!

@fiirasmusic5366

Жыл бұрын

This makes more sense but it’s about how the producer thinks

Producers dont sell yourself short. It doesnt matter what these fools talking about. Nobody wants to pay. They always want to go cheap on production but rap about all the money they got. If you go and chop up the beat doesnt mean we didnt make it.

@11blocktrapper

Жыл бұрын

congrats bro but theres to many producers to think your special lmao

biggest rap songs have so many views just cuz of the BEAT, prove me wrong...

@SAVAGEXD29

Жыл бұрын

Most of Joyner Lucas songs & eminem songs. Both of those people are famous for their ability to use lyrics in a different way or be able to tell a story. Everyone pays attention to the words way more than a beat. Another example is killshot by eminem. It went popular cause the lyrics (that includes almost every diss track)

@kuriosagamisou1330

Жыл бұрын

@@SAVAGEXD29 20 years ago maybe, but i would argue that em songs had that silly ass beats that added alot to the songs, i wont even comment about joyner lucas he is 1 of the most irrelevant rappers... as for killshot the reason for that getting views is not the lyrics (ofc it has good lyrics) but cuz its a DISS TRACK and people love drama, if you look up all the hits throughout most of the years from hip hop, you will see that the beats are crazy on those tracks, ofc there are gonna be exceptions but that doesnt mean that most of them are popular cuz of the beats, especialy in the last 10 years

He needed to make it clear he's okay with 50/50 on publishing. I feel that caused a lot of confusion when this came out a while back.

Good conversation 💯 never really heard anybody talk about this

Looks to me like people aren’t putting anymore effort outside of the production. Marketing and promo is also a huge part of the song.

I’m doing music for one and a half year now. Had a lot of customers who I helped for free and I’m doing my first payed music jobs (mostly live mixing) now. I was never in it for the money, I just love music and the music industry. But every pay check is a reminder of how I’m making steps (since I’m still studying), but most of all, it shows appreciation from my customers towards me. After all without the tech guys, there are no beats, no studios, no live gigs… We’re unmissable in this industry and people are starting to notice that

Just recoup the marketing, recording costs etc then split it 50/50 after. Ez enough 👌

@drakehasbula5557

Жыл бұрын

🌚🌝

As an artist and producer, most of it will boil down to what you can negotiate for yourself regardless of which side of the coin you're at.

Great vid! 👍

Definitely agree with Kyle and Futuristic on this one 💯

Producer's are definitely so under credited. Without them, us artists wouldn't be able to make our art. I do think the artist does ALOT but Producer's are like the puppets. I think 50/50 is definitely fair or at least 45/55

@AJ-ed7mx

Жыл бұрын

Producers are artists 🥴

idk but this was useful info thx kyle

Kyle Kyle Kyle

In my eyes the artists get all the cloud and that is worth so much more than just money.

Kyle, you're literally a producer. all the time you put into your craft, do you think you deserve just 10-20 percent? 50 is too much, but at least 30

he wana shaft the composer/producer go sell a fucking acapella then 😂 😂

so when you go on tours, perform on different places will i as the producer get certain percentage on that? if we talk about me promoting the song and doing these post song things then i should get money on everything including sync and performance cheques, if i want 50 on a song, its only for the song it doesnt include other money you will get on your music video and all that

I’d say im on between and i think both u guys agree that it’s very situational , every song is gonna be different depending on many many factors like you saif 😊

The beat has been carrying these artists for years. Producers should do what's best in their interest because no one is buying an acapella of someone talking about how kill,sell drugs, and sleep with your spouse. Lyrics haven't mattered for over a decade.

Damn you got to tour with Futuristic? That's insanity!

As someone who is just starting up, 50/50 is fair. I want both of us to come up if the song pops off

@CatDribble

Жыл бұрын

Yeah, but you gotta pay the man before you can even use the beat, then you gotta pay him when his shitty 5000 lease stream runs out for another lease, then 50% of anything you make, so he's not getting 50% he's getting more. Some of the leases I've seen from guys are so low on their stream lease you're only gonna be paying them money and never earn any, plus they can sell that beat to anyone else. There's a side to both stories and neither artist or producer are gonna see the other side till they've tried both and felt the hardships and benefits.

Gotta have those talks in the begining before the project starts at times, credits and percentages are worth a lot let alone studio time. The last thing the producer wants is falling out with a friend, underground or commercial artist about cuts. Let's hope those artists never forget the come up's, early stages or current points in their career!!

Hey Kyle beats, is it possible to buy beats from you and get 100% ownership of the beat? Im really into writing lyrics and mixing but making the beat is what i struggle with, your beats is just something else❤

What about touring when the song is now 🔥 do I tell get my 20% across the board then.

Do producers get money of concerts? Do producers get money of TV shows or any other live performences? Artist make a lot of money without the producer even involved! No appreciation ! No luv for the art! He is Dick, for real!

Where can I buy a beat from you?? Do you have a website I can buy beats from??

When he did the interview with Kato to really explain his side of the story, it made a lot more sense. I kind of agreed with him when I first heard what he said, but it made even more sense when he broke it down. I’m a nobody. Of course I’d like to be compensated for my work, because I’ve invested into my craft. But I also understand I have zero leverage. We need each other to build, and people are letting a few dollars come in the way of possibly making way more down the line. But he did say the video was just referring to streaming splits. The producers were still getting their 50% on the publishing and songwriter side of things.

without producers there wont be rappers so i disagree completely.. 50/50 is fair. producer and artist play both a BIG role in making a song 🙂

I disagree completely as a producer you may not have name but you put hours into your craft. I may not have a huge online following but I have played guitar for 15 years now I have performed live several times. I am a certified audio engineer. At the end of the day they need to understand that we put so much time and practice into this we deserve it. It is problem with video editing too people don't want to pay you for your skill. If you think it's that irrelevant go to someone else or let me give you one of the first tracks I have ever made. See how you like it. You should be paid for your skill & practice. I do percentages I don't try to steal at all. But if you come in not even having a bass line and I produce something from scratch you have no song. Most of these rappers can't even write lyrics until someone gives something to bop to. Just saying yea you build a crowd over 10 years. Just because we make it look easy doesn't mean it's not hard. You definitely need to pay at least 30% if your producer is literally making chord progressions and introducing live instrumentation. You don't like it? buy guitar lets see how quickly you get your own songs together. Also promotion isn't gunna matter if your song is wack. I am a live audio engineer I work tours for living. Let's see if 20% songs hit.

@MavihsLH

Жыл бұрын

I mean thing about the production world, especially for mass media music, you can always find a dude that'll do it cheaper and just as well. If maybe you wanted something specialised like some high grade rock music (not sure why i used rock as an example it can be anything complex) and what not then having professionals makes sense. You could ask a rapper 30%, but they'll just find someone who'll do it for 10. That's the unfortunate reality. Especially when songs nowadays don't have something revolutionary going on with the beats. You can always find the same chord progression, drum loops, samples etc. throughout all the top rap songs going hot rn. That's not to say i'm advocating for music producers to be paid peanuts, im just giving some insight.

@noelgallard1128

Жыл бұрын

@@MavihsLH quality over quantity I've had people do that they always come back you want the best you gotta pay for it. If they think so little of you why not do it themselves. Also if an artist is just hiring random producers. They have other things they need to sort out.

@lightblace3458

Жыл бұрын

EXACTLY

@TahniZCat2

Жыл бұрын

@@noelgallard1128 I don't think it's the idea of thinking so little of an individual. From an independent POV, I think it's more the fact that an artist is putting in money to promote, push and profit from a song that they've put in the most work for (in the same vain that the hypothetical producer did), and 9 times out of 10, the producer isn't helping to push that work out to the public because in some ways, it's not their job. They only got payment for making the song and some want to keep it that way. So why give a portion to a person who spent a few blood sweat and tears converted into hours, when you've been putting in blood sweat and tears converted into Days, weeks, months even? And 9 times out of 10, if you listen to most "type beat" songs online, they aren't all too outstanding, and most sound exactly the same as the next with a very few amount of exceptions. Not many people put heart, mind and soul in their craft anymore like some. And most of the time, they're the ones looking for a percentage because "I made like. . . 5-10 beats in 10 minutes" is their pull instead of putting that heart into their work.

@noelgallard1128

Жыл бұрын

@@TahniZCat2 it’s not about how much time it takes me to make the beat it’s about how much time it took to learn that skill. You are selling yourself short if you think your skill are less valuable. If you don’t make the beat they don’t have a song to promote.

doesnt matter how good your raps are, if the beat is wack then the song gonna be wack, other way around doesnt work like that... if the raps wack and the beat fire, song is gonna do numbers anyway and we have so many examples of that

@recoilgamer

Жыл бұрын

respect

@fiirasmusic5366

Жыл бұрын

Also mixing the vocals

@Rapper2000

Жыл бұрын

Rapper and music producer are far diffrence but in my thought producer and rapper should at the same percentage kush rapper r just standing on the mic n rap on it and the producer turn on the auto tune and all that stuff and so on but I don't know bout fuckin producer 🤣

@fiirasmusic5366

Жыл бұрын

@@Rapper2000 some producers can sing, collaborate with other vocalists, or sometimes a vocal from splice, in my opinion, vocals are instruments, but I don't know why people think that the vocals make the song, not the melodies and the bass and the bouncy drums, producing is hard and understanding it and u pay for good plugins and even a very expensive Mic and I’m talking about the music producers who love making music, not the cheap ones which make 10 in one hour

@fiirasmusic5366

Жыл бұрын

10 beats

Sonny Digitals reaction is hilarious whether you agree or not 😂

I think if the producer has been paid and advance maybe like 1000$ then he we can negotiate a smaller percentage like 10 to 20% but if he has given you a free beat or is collaborating with you,or you are both starting from scratch and growing together then it should be 50/50

@CatDribble

Жыл бұрын

Yeah that seems fair, of the beat ain't tied to a leasing agreement, those are the times I'd want to lift my producers up and help them get there name out, I think artists get frustrated when some expects to be paid $30 for a lease of 50,000 streams then another $30 each time, plus there fee of 50% on top of them already getting their leasing money. At that point it's no longer a 50/50 it more like a 60 - 70% to the producer until you buy a higher lease or exclusive which could be a bag or more.

Man I used to bump some futuristic

FOR ripping off another companies plug-in .What spits should you get?

Yo Kyle. On your main channel you should make a Christmas beat. Would Be so dumb and so fire

When you sell anything you can attach any price to it whether you think it's fair is irrelevant whether people buy or enlist your service for that price is what matters, sometimes you may have to take a few steps back to get your foot in the door,build your reputation before the masses will respect the skill, doesn't matter how long you took to acquire the skill your catalog will speak for itself .I've seen certified engineers with huge catalogs giving better prices than dudes self taught with no skin in the game.

Yeah cuz some artist that hops on my beats don’t have a distributor so that case I’ll upload what they recorded on my beat on my distro kid but I always do 50/50 distro kid splits

I produced a beat from scratch for a dude in my studio and we are in the final leg and I mention doing splits, assuming it would be 50/50 and he started calling me greedy and threatening me with violence and refused to leave until I exported stems because he thought I would try to steal “his” song. Making the beat took maybe 2 hours and the other 8 were because he couldn’t record vocals to save his life. The lesson here is talk about splits before you work with someone because fair or not, if a dude is bigger than you and has a gun… good luck.

@lilgingy75

Жыл бұрын

i agree with you i know i'm super late on this but i don't think artists should be worried about producers taking "their" song if anything we should worry about the artist not giving us any of the credit personally i think producers deserve more than they get because if it isn't for the producer than the artist is no one. they got nothing to use. the producers are the ones who make the song. because a song wouldn't be a song without a beat. anyways sorry for rambling lol

First🤛🏽🔥

I now Kyle knows how to reduce noise in audio, yet it sounds like he’s Darth Vader the way he’s mouth breathing throughout the whole phone call. 😂

Artist and Producers need each other just get the business situated upfront everybody will have there own opinions and veiws if ya can't agree on terms then find another Artist or Producer to work with but don't get so caught up in tryna make the most $ u can as a producer on every song making some reasonable compromises and being easy to work with will get u further in the long run

@Untitled89203

Жыл бұрын

for the overall music scene yes but producers have proved that just beats can go mainstream and get streams lofi and phonk are prime examples millions of streams no artists but how many artists can pull those numbers with an acapella?

@lazyeyemuzic7490

Жыл бұрын

@@Untitled89203 100% agree was just staying on the video subject matter with artist and producers instrumental music is definitely a way to go as well as syncs

I think when you're a smaller artist trying to get to a point where you can making a living, you get charged a lease, which you have to pay again when it runs out, then you have the 50% of the song on top. That's hard to take when a producer can also sell that beat out to everyone else. You as an artist can only get paid from that song, when a producer can get paid from everyone that uses that song and their royalties, I do get that they have to make many beats that might get nothing and only the good ones get money. But even getting to be an artist that can go around buying multiple beats here and there is hard when you can only get a beat per month

Yes there are thousands of beatmakers selling beats.And there is an equal number of lyricist buying beats. Its a symbiotic relationship. If youre so sure you only need to pay 10%, just drop it to 0 and rerelease the song as an acapella. It'll still be 🔥 right

that moment when the LMAOO

thats why we need do a split xd

Beat makers aren't producers. Producers help make the song. If the beat maker just made a beat, and the artist took the beat, and produced a song around it, then the artist should get production credits too. The beat maker is technically the producer of the beat, so they deserve their credit, but they should lose some percentage, if they weren't there during the whole/majority of the production. Now, if a beatmaker formats the song, makes the hook, and the artist just raps, then they technically produced the song. I used to make the intro, verse's, hooks, and outro, and then send it to the artist, so all they had to do is do their verse's and adlibs. I would also get on the phone, and work with the artist to work out how the song should go. I've actually been complimented by engineers for formatting everything from beginning to end, so all they had to do is load the beat, and record the artist. Rappers don't understand how much some producers pay for the equipment like samplers, audio gear, synthesizers, FX units, computers, audio monitors, cables, vst's, samples, etc.. I used to get mad at some rappers for thinking they put the same time and money as I did. I get that some rappers use some simple beats, with trash sounds, and sometimes those songs go up, Versace is a great example of that, but if you want quality beats, with professional sounds, then the beat maker has to spend a lot of money and time to get those beats sounding right. I get that there's Splice, Cymatics, and other sample libraries, where you can get good sounding samples, for cheap or free, but if you want something original, and high quality, that nobody else has, then the producer is going to have to put in work and money. I used to rap, and rapping is way easier than making a professional sounding beat. In my opinion, the beat game is messed up right now, because beat makers just copy everything that's popping. When I make beats, I don't think about what's popular. I create songs, that changes up continuously throughout the song. I don't just make a verse and hook, and then copy/paste. I take the time to compose something that will standout from these carbon copy beat makers. I don't just load up an 808 Mafia/Lex Luger 808 trap/drill kit, and Omnisphere, and do my best Nick Mira impression. I don't even watch beat making videos anymore, because 99.999% of so-called "producers" just copy what's hot. I grew up in the Neptunes, RzA, Timbaland, Havoc, Just Blaze, Heatmakerz, True Master, Mathematics, Kanye, Marley Marl, Dr Dre, etc.. era, and back then, producers had their own sound. That's a very rare thing these days. There's a few like 808Melo, that have a sound that stands out, but it's rare, and I've noticed that the carbon copy artists are already jacking his sound. I get being inspired, but I hate when beat jackers steal peoples whole vibe. There's way too many beat jackers, that don't have a sound of their own. It's made me stop listening to rap music for the most part. Between over used 808 trap drums, and vsts, to autotune bots, or wannabe Drakes, I can't mess with the new $#!t called rap anymore. I mess with artist like Griselda, YOG, Mach-Hommy, Tyler The Creator, Pop Smoke, and some others, but I've lost my love for rap. I used to listen to nothing but rap, up until about 10 years ago. Now I rarely listen to it at all, and a lot of it has to do with the beats, but it's also bad rappers, that have low iQ bars about ignorant dumb $#!t, while sounding like robots and Drake. I rarely hear a rapper that stands out. It's usually more about a rappers image on social media, than their talent these days. For example, I think YB and all of the babies are trash. I don't understand why people think their music is good. I guess it's all about brainwashing, and the lack of good original music.

I left the video soon as you said you agree

This hurts my soul.

Yooo please Lemmi get a chance !!!!

Drop an accapella album and see how that does 😂. If you really wanna use that beat split it 50/50 or get a diff beat

@rajshah7984

Жыл бұрын

they could say do the same with an instrumental

really important video. feel like all them american producers on pg get a little to comfortable sometimes just cause they got the placements

Hey man Love the content.. just a quick one..I'm new to selling beats..been producing for quite a long time now but I'm kinda confused.. with this percentage thing instead of say selling the beat for 100 bucks etc your saying you can also agree on a percentage your going to receive then receive cheques like royality instead of selling the beat in the first place for a lump sum?? ..can someone explain plz? Lol I no about leases I have like 4 differnt leases and an exclusive rights where u can by the beat and own it...BUT the confusion with me lies on where this percentage stuff comes into the mix of things ???

GIve FOE RICHY a shot!

Nobody: Kyle Beats: "Rappers who said they'd kill a beat get their shot pt.15 w/ Marco Bahma

The first thing a person says is who made the beat

As a producer I agree with what he says… things will vary depending on who the artist is but if a big name says they will give you 5% you will take it because you know that you will still eat better than an unknown giving you 50%

@emgodas

Жыл бұрын

500 of 5000? Or 2500? What if you don't find an artist to work with again for like 2-3 years and the song just drops down because no one listens to it anymore? Doesn't profit for us the producers bro. Either 45 or 50 nothing more nothing less, both artist and producer had to bring food to the table

music is collaboration - fuck anything else. we BOTH GO UP or its a bad partnership

What’s a rapper without a beat

Music started with a beat not a lyric , Im a producer myself and I agree that 50/50 isnt completely fair depending on the case but I think it should be split atleast 20-40% for producers . Depending on who the producer is and the quality of his production and if he has a big name or not . Alot of small producers would put days into a song and get paid nothing just to get a name , and getting a name as a producer is 10x harder than an artist . And there are a bunch of producers who just copy and paste and it makes it harder for artists to know what to trust but thats why I think most songs should be a real collaboration and them literally working together if it is a big deal then it should be split 50/50. It its just a beat you found online and asked a producer to quickly pump out a beat for you then yeah I'd agree to like 10-20%

That’s kinda true tho, as much as it sucks there’s a whole supply and demand thing where a ton of beats and producers are supplied so the competition makes their work less valuable. Like if there were only 2 producers who were elite and production worthy, they would get an insane amount of the cut

@wherehouseedm

Жыл бұрын

The market being saturated with beats, just tells me that we should sell ourselves as more than just “beat makers”

@PD_Swag

Жыл бұрын

@@wherehouseedm For sure I agree, gotta find different ways to make yourself stand out from the crowd. Maybe become the best in a certain genre or do something with your beats that no one else is

50/50 splits are fair especially if I’m not getting any bread for the beat lease. Producers are composing original art. I don’t understand this like producers basic leases are generally $25-50ish and $100-300ish for exclusive rights but some rappers charge over $2k for a feature some cases only 32 bars for there price and rappers don’t wanna just try to scam.

This brings up the legal distinction between "song writer" and a "producer."

Some producers want 50% of the song, mechanical and performance royalties, money for the beat lease, and then a fee to mix and master. Where also this money come from, that 50% is now skewed towards the producer so you have to think about what the artist feels when they aren't getting 50/50 of there own song.

Yeah these BeatStar producers are tripping with that 50% BS, F all that.

hes not right. producers only get royalties and maby a payment, rappers get royalties, use the song on tour where they get big paid, and also the songs make their image bigger so they can sell merch and get paid for promos and all that stuff. Producers are not benefited from any of the extra stuff the song generated them. A song is 50% the beat 50% the rapper so the split should be 50/50.

Nooooobody is listening to the song without the beat

I think 25% is the absolute bare minimum you should share with anyone on a creative project

Making music for 6 years, and all i gota say on this topic is the fairest split for any revenue earned from the song must be shared 50/50 brev. No music = no song. So if you want the beat then 50% i gotta get some food on the table you know, maybe i might not get another artist to work with for a year or more, so the living it will make the 50% of the song. I wanted to work with an artist 3 years ago but because i was 16 and couldn't make bank account for lifenses and royalties etc he said leave it buddy ill find another one, then i found another artist after 3 years... Imagine if i couldn't find an 9-5 to work just to live, lets say i sold that beat 3 years ago and got 10-20% as these rappers nowadays want to share with the producers for 100$ royalties i would've live with only 10$-20$ a month nothing else. But thank God I'm able to work and make a living with 9-5 since music ain't working. But you know gotta keep going with faith. God bless ✝️♥️

Good conversation. However, there’s talk of the costs but not the benefits. The beat leads to the song that leads to merch sales and live show bookings. Producer isn’t goin to see any of those gains that the song was a part of promoting. A lot of artist making more money from merch and shows than royalties from streams

There's no way to have a one size fits all approach to splits. There's a lot of factors that have to be considered. Rihanna's Umbrella proves that for certain genres the beat doesn't matter as much as people want you to believe, and it's definitely not 50/50 split territory.. At the end of the day I listen to Taylor or Rihanna for Taylor or Rihanna, not whomever made their beats. And yes, people download acapellas all the time for dj sets or producing their own music.

What about the payments to the in house engineer and then the mastering guys, anyone else who worked on the song lyrics or is featured, not all beats are great out of the gate and mastered to fit want you what, the producer isn't always the only dude the artist has to pay, so when you ain't making shit and having to give most of it away to even get the song done. It just seems pointless, and in that case artists won't make songs, producers won't have artists to sell to, and everyone starves

Maybe the issue isn't with 50/50 but no one actually really understand where the money comes from and how it's paid put, who gets paid from what royalties, what royalties there are, how to make sure they get paid and how to make sure their producers get paid, can we get a video on this

Biggest Cap, love how he forgot to mention the money artist make from touring, merch, shows & producers get nothing from that

Bro as a rapper/artist myself I would always do 50/50 with the producer cause I would never even come up with the lyrics if it wasn't for the beat it's a half and half thing if anything I'd ever do is 60/40 and that would be the worse deal I'd give a producer

Let’s not forget producers literally create rappers 😅😅😅

Do something with Sophia Hunter

😂 i just rap because i love to. i pay money for the basic lease so i can upload my work. i always credit the producer in every song. its not about money for me. its about vibin and enjoying making the dam song lol. take 80% for all i care. i just cant afford to pay £100 to just put the dam thing on spotify 🤣. if your a producer with a love for making music and want a PARTNERSHIP then hmu. always greatful to work with new people and express myself through music. have a great day everybody 🙂🤙

@yape

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yo! lets work!😁

@travisscott8104

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You got an instagram?

@THELEAGUEMUSIC

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@@travisscott8104 yeah bro... @thel3ague, same profile pic

I am neither a professional musician or producer, just thought I’d give my two cents on the subject. To me, rap is spoken word poetry being recited at a certain tempo while using rhymes to connect ideas. Anyone can do it. I personally, can rap verses from popular rap songs and can even come up with my own raps if I wanted to (even if they are simple). However, play me any song that has singing in it and I won’t be able to repeat that for my life. Singing requires much more musical knowledge such as staying in key, creating vibrato with your voice etc… People even go to Music colleges just so they can improve their singing technique. Point being, anyone can rap, not everyone can sing. Rapping requires more wittiness than the use of musical knowledge (i.e staying on beat). What drives a rap song to be successful is the the meaning of the lyrics rather than the actual musical prowess.That’s why rap artists fall off after a year and even bands like The Rolling Stones are still gaining young listeners. Not only is the instrumental behind their singing phenomenal. But it accompanies the vocals and In a way that is pleasing to the human ear (I’m sure there’s some scientific info to back that up out there). Now for the producers, I put them in same group a vocalists. A producer can set an average person in front of his computer with his Logic Pro and all his multi thousand solar equipment, and the average person won’t come out with a good sounding song. They can meddle with certain effects and aimlessly press things but it would come out terrible. As a human, I have all the muscles in my body to create vibrato or to hit a certain note. But without technique I won’t be able to get it no matter how hard I try. That’s why we have schools dedicated to these. For me, rapping is ability you can further hone to become your talent. Producers deserve to make more than the artist.

@bvellcendarrel

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As a producer and artist who tryna make it out, this warms my heart.... Have a great day bro 💥🙏🏽..... Btw if u wanna check out exactly what u tryna mean in this.... U could check my song, bV - swervin and the prod and the singing, rapping in that are just like u said it

Comethazine is the first rapper to drop a acapella song and it went platinum

A hit is a hit. Major artists on a flop song, it's still a flop no matter how propped up it gets. 2% of a Smash is better than 100% of a flop. Lawyers worked this out years ago as to who owns what. Melody and lyrics always worth more in song writing. Now go write hits and worry about who owns what later!!!

@mantisno9201

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What do you mean exactly help me understand? Are you saying futuristic should have at least given a 2%?

I would actually love to see the logistics of how you get paid as a producer when you actually DO get a percentage.

okay so i see many people in the comments talking about how producers deserve 10-20-30 even 50 percent of all earnings made off a song they produced. To clear things up both the artist and producer have to be willing to put in equal amounts of effort and skill to be 50/50. Lets put the scenario as the producer and artist are together in the producers studio the entire time from start to the completed song. The duration from start to finish can vary heavily, might take a couple hours, or a couple sessions, lets say it takes them 6 hours and both of them put in equal effort in their own ways in the studio. After the song is finished, the artist has to pay curators and marketing experts up front just to get the song noticed in the industry, when you finally get your lump sum of money the artist has to atleast take a cut of what he paid up front (the money for curators and such) and then after that you split it 50/50 because their was equal work put in. IT GOES BOTH WAYS. just like how you have an artist without a beat, you have a producer without an artist. The two must respect eachothers hustle for the bag, like he said in the video "if i eat my producers eat." NOW, if you are a producer selling beats online and taking percentage cuts, fuck you. You are literally going into fl studio and whipping something up in less than 2 hours and posting it on youtube and calling it a day. If you sell a beat to someone you are saying hey this beat is worth this much and thats it, for 2 hours of work that you did on your computer i'll gladly slip you a 20 and we both walk our seperate ways unless we do business again. If you're looking to get into percentages than you are looking for partnership which is obviously an IN PERSON ACTIVIST. You both are changing the way things sounds and then from there it goes back to what i said before. It all just depends on how the business is happening. very heavy on HOW.

@braizzyg

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@@mcmdbeats i never said taking a percentage of a song was a bad idea, i said if you sell a beat for say $20 (as example) on your website you shouldnt expect to get a percentage of the finally song after the artist already bought the beat, put lyrics, and did their own thing with distribution and marketing with the beat they made a song with. The beat the artist bought from you for a fixed priced is what the producer thought how much that beat was worth, the producer puts themself in the shithole when they sell a beat for a fixed price unless you are just starting out but at the same time the whole idea of selling a beat for a fixed price is fucked to begin with, i was considering the fact that equipment costs money but if they already have the equipment then they already paid for it, the producer is just trying to get the money back from the money he spent which in any artists case they presume that the producer has already done so. The producer doesn't have a say in the final song after the beat is sold, its like fixing a car and selling it, you have the equipment to make something nice so you make something worthy out of nothing, and when you sell it who now owns the beat? thats why percentages are a better take on split pay because you're not selling the beat, you are leasing it for a percent of however much capital that beat makes. Makes sense? Percentages W Fixed Cost L.

@R3BBiT

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Agree with you! You can’t just demand percentages later if you didn’t agree upon anything BEFORE release or even before songwriting (which is the best way to do it)

If you think about it though you need 2 things to make a song. The beat and someone on the beat. It’s split in 2 ways and it’s 50/50 also producers put in more time most of the time making the best and the song itself and the whole mixing and mastering process including organizing the best including punching in the artist. The song won’t be done in one try. So it should at least be 50/50.

@donovanc1323

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Also time is money

Define producer to understand. If you only make the beat then you don’t deserve 50% . If you work closely with the artist fix the beat according to the vocals and then work to choose features for that song and work on the release then you deserve 50% fr sure

🤣 By this logic, record labels should take money from an artists publishing to market them I guess

@CatDribble

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Most artist are in debt to there record labels

Only person to dropped an Acapella was Michael Jackson!

So artists don't want to give a percentage but when a producer asks for 500K for their beat it's a problem? Lol. Artists are going to perform that song (show money), royalties endorsements and copyrights (if it goes big), youtube money goes to the artist for the music video, etc. Artists make a whole lot more money off a song than just the radio and distro money. Plus there's publishing and all other kinds of earning avenues where the producer doesn't see a cut.

Honestly seems like buddy was just trying to go viral. It takes one (1) sentence to clarify pub vs. master royalties.

all true same thing what the ufc has with figther pay when you can sell ticktes like big boy you get paid like a big boy!!!!

Tell them to sing acepella then

I know where he lives

Or just pay up front.

im with futuristic on this one too for the sake of simplicity, heres an example this is assuming ONLY 2 people are involved, and beat maker JUST made the beat while the artist was to go off to mix master, promote, distribute, etc you got a "WRITER SHARE" and a "PUBLISHING SHARE" 50/50 of WRITER SHARE is split between artist/beat maker then you got PUBLISHING SHARE which goes 100% to the artist overall the beatmaker ends up with 25% for the song as a whole but in reality, there are usually more people involved. so in end beatmakers do usually end up with anywhere between 1% - 20% futuristic just spittin facts There really should be more clarity on these things so it doesnt piss people off as often as it does

The numbers that are being referred to in this video post, of how producers get 3% is correct but, that comes from the artists 15% points that the record company gives the artist. Not 3% off 100%. This is where in the video any professional would walk away from that logic cause its not true. It’s plain and simple false. If an Artist can’t pay upfront they’re gonna have to give up extra in a percentage. It’s that simple. And yes if the producer is a writer it can be up to 50% (or more pending who is doing the production work) Here's a lil major label and indie 101. The costs of promoting a record are the artist and the artist alone. These companies are basically banks that give out loans. Of which, whatever they pay out they get 100% return on before an artist sees a dime. This is called recouping. The artist pays for all of it. This is why artist get budgets, to pay for production and promotion. Not so an artist has pocket cash. From the artist incoming royalties is what pays for the promotions. The writers and producers do not share in those costs. The artist does. So as a producer, they get paid (and pending on if they have to mix and master, that has to be paid for as well) and if they write the music i.e. the composition they get paid on that as well. Quick recap. In the major label, indie world: 100% comes in. Record company takes half off the top. So that 50% becomes the payable 100%. 15% is paid to the artist and 3% of that is paid to the producer. The artist has to pay other people from that percentage too. The remaining 85% is paid to P.R.O’s,/ Publishing (writers). The toxic part here is the 100% return on the upfront loan the artist accepted to get their career started. So 10-20% non writing would be fine but if the producer wrote the composition, that percentage is highly unfair and toxic for the producer. Oh, and we didn’t even talk master ownership either! The producer would get a percentage of that as well, especially if an artist couldn’t pay upfront. Everyone is taking a financial risk here. Don’t let there be more writers on the song either. Cause everyone deserves there fair share. I repeat… the risk of promoting a is not the responsibility of the production staff, i.e. Producer. It’s solely the responsibility of the promotion staff, i.e. the Artist. And the revenue from the recording is to be shared equally amongst the writers and any unpaid production fees, if the fees weren’t paid upfront. That is fair. My logic is coming from being a working professional of 30+ years, I work with the majors, indies and solo internet artist. My peers and myself do these indie deals all the time. If an Artist wants to retain a higher percentage then they must pay in cash all of the production and production related fees. Recording, mixing and mastering are all separate fees from producing. Unless you are paying an all in fee to the producer then he/she takes care of those costs. If the artist has no money the that percentage goes up. These are the costs to make a record in the real world. So, 10-20% all in production, plus writers royalties is fair. Providing the producer wrote the music, which is the situation in most cases. Or the artist can pay the production fees and just have to share the writers fees or just produce the whole song themselves. A producers inexperience at business doesn’t mean to do them dirty. And just because the artist have to promote themselves doesn’t mean the producer should get less. It means the artist needs to do more. Cause bills have to be paid on all sides. And if the cost of being an artist is too much… then maybe the artist is doing something wrong or in the wrong line of work all together. Promoting and becoming a successful artist is not an unresourceful man’s game At the end of the day whatever you agree to is what it is for you... but, hey here's the game do with it as you like... #Respect

Well, it depends on the genre of music. If it’s a rap beat, you don’t deserve 1/2, not more than 25% If you’re an EDM producer, and you’re getting even 50%, you’re getting ripped off.

That's why I make 8-10 a day. 2% of 5000 beats is a good living