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@dotbotha5898

Ай бұрын

Thanks for your program

@FeatherBoo

Ай бұрын

Yall do such a great job presenting these cases! 👌🏾👊🏽🩵🪶

@user-ow4kt2vf5g

28 күн бұрын

Thanks Obama!

@jacquelinegoble3038

26 күн бұрын

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@paolorossi8470

20 күн бұрын

This one was a thriller with a happy ending.

You can care about animals, be a brave soldier, a loving husband and still be a murderer.

@caroltenge5147

Ай бұрын

Yes, this case proves it.

@nqobilemalunga-qu4dw

Ай бұрын

Escobar also cared for his family but.....

@Berryandmango

Ай бұрын

so very true. I've seen it.

@ceejay3121

Ай бұрын

exactly. A lot of notorious killers have been described as model citizens before doing their crimes lol.

@saltycat662

Ай бұрын

@@Berryandmango Yup. I've seen it in person too.

"My son saved lives in Afghanistan, he doesn't take lives." Does anyone want to break the news to this guy?

@rm4519

Ай бұрын

Seriously. That poor guy is delusional.

@gemmaburman7767

Ай бұрын

@@rm4519 His son has probably killed more people than he's saved.

@ronaldp.slagter8335

Ай бұрын

@@rm4519👍👍👍👍👍👍

@jzloveinfinite

Ай бұрын

RIGHT!!!

@martinamladenovic5529

Ай бұрын

Haha, I think that too. People are crazy!

I think some parents are delusional. My ex-husband fought for his country in Afghanistan and also beat me when he came home from deployment....serving in the military does not mean you are a good person. Period.

@hydrostatic8048

27 күн бұрын

I don't believe you women anymore, I've seen too many false allegations. Period.

@hydrostatic8048

27 күн бұрын

The same philosophy applies to everyone. How do we know you're a good person.

@Fortheloveoflore

27 күн бұрын

@@hydrostatic8048You’ll never fully know anyone other than yourself. Anybody is capable of doing terrible things, family or no.

@ellaminnow

27 күн бұрын

@@hydrostatic8048well we certainly know you aren’t

@user-sb2dd7xf7j

27 күн бұрын

@@hydrostatic8048 Philosophy or not, action speaks for itself. Lots of Heros can have hidden Monsters you do not see or you do not want to see.

It’s sad how much the murderer’s families are in denial. Sad. The father said he deserved better than this. Well, Becky, her Mom & her Mom’s boyfriend didn’t deserve this.

@ryanhodges4393

17 күн бұрын

Makes me mad!

@BarbaraCowdery

17 күн бұрын

@@ryanhodges4393 You & me Both!!!!!!!

@kai-ul5gx

17 күн бұрын

Of course , but do you know he was guilty for sure? It’s kinda fishy

@JanesprudenciadoMaesprudenciad

17 күн бұрын

8888

@Laura-mi3nv

Күн бұрын

I think its kind of nice that they got to get married and one had kids and they were surrounded by all this family and all that just abruptly ended for them. Its so much better when people like this have even more to lose.

Christian's Dad says he is heartbroken his son wasn't there for his child's birth. Becky never got the chance to have a family.

@bernimunro1299

Ай бұрын

Amen there's so many entitled kids in America GOSH!! Parenting down the drain

@sharoncoupland

Ай бұрын

Yes i said exactly this when he said that.

@jzloveinfinite

Ай бұрын

RIGHT!!!!

@corruptduboiscountyindiana5058

Ай бұрын

and how do you know that its his fault

@catco1coolrn

Ай бұрын

Yeah that dad certainly had tunnel vision. His son was a hero in the military. Maybe he was trying hard to rectify or feel better about what he had done before his military career.

"he's kind to me" doesn't mean "he's kind to everyone" . what a limited assumption

@mattmatt6572

Ай бұрын

You know who I don't see defending the guy... his wife. She probably knows what was up

@Wft-bu5zc

Ай бұрын

Also "he saves lives!" because he was in the military. Ummm there are a TON of crazy people in the military, many who have brutally murdered others. That's the stupidest thing I've heard.

@lourdesortiz5850

Ай бұрын

That’s correct!!👍🏼👍🏼

@Cubana65796

Ай бұрын

Exactly 🙄🤦🏻‍♀️. Family sometimes wants to be blind to facts.

@Simp_Zone

Ай бұрын

"My son is a good boy he'd NEVER do anything like this" - Every mother of a psychopath ever

“Your son killed someone” Parents: *Insert your typical “he could never”, “he was going to church” bullsht*

@Babesinthewood97

16 күн бұрын

I f*ing hate how some people think ”going to church ” means something. It just means they’re prejudiced against singles who don’t go to church. It has nothing to do with morals.

@tudorDaDefender

15 күн бұрын

@@Babesinthewood97 Exactly..

@scarletohhaha6938

14 күн бұрын

Always love the "but he's an upstanding respected member of his church!" defense. My response? 'Sure peaches, but so was BTK!' lol

@tudorDaDefender

14 күн бұрын

@@scarletohhaha6938 exactly.. don’t understand why interviewers don’t tell them these things like bruh there’s tons of videos about shady churches and priests and also criminals who attended church.

@franpag2611

13 күн бұрын

I thought I heard that...on the way to church! Sure

My daughter's estranged husband is in the military, and he was so controlling, emotionally abusive etc. He even punched me in the face over and over one night when I was visiting while my daughter was pregnant. Cops showed up, and they acted like buddies. I was trying to talk to an officer, but kept being told that I didn't need to add anything. Like WTF. Soooooooo glad she left him.

@sarahemikula

24 күн бұрын

I am so sorry 😔 the cycle of abuse is very cunning and can sneak up on people then you blink and it's been however long still with the abuser. Stay safe, know your rights -and exercise them. please never give up 🙏🏻

@sakunaru0

24 күн бұрын

It’s not surprising the army would drive anyone crazy.

@Cat-Tiger-Taegi-Cult

24 күн бұрын

​@@sakunaru0The murders took place prior to his military service

@Alphacentauri819

23 күн бұрын

The system needs to change, with having the conflict of interest dynamic that often has men with authority…(law enforcement) who will more likely identify with the abuser (male who craves power). Way too often, women have been dismissed, invalidated, not believed, when sexual assault, violence, occurs. Who wants to depend on similar people to help you, as who hurt you? Seriously? There needs to be HUGE reform in this area. The irony is that these men, who act like they ‘already know’…arrogance…often are very ignorant to all the aspects, neuroscience, of abusers and the abused. Essentially, they will look at the variables in the equation they already agree with & throw out the rest. Which…leads to an erroneous conclusion. It should be, that there are women who respond to any domestic violence too, that they all have intensive nervous system, attachment theory, training, and learn to call out their own biases, cognitive distortions, and narratives. Having authority figures who think they have nothing to learn…are dangerous.

@MiaKatharine

18 күн бұрын

exactly. I was in the military 8 years and I saw tons of buddies between the men but it's all different for the women. Just because some male has a Purple Heart doesnt mean he wont abuse a woman. Military doesn't mean a good man. Sorry to hear about your experience, I relate to it totally.

Sorry, but being active in church and being former military doesn’t make me automatically think someone MUST be innocent.

@jenna-a-gogo

Ай бұрын

Not in the least.

@paleandbeyond

Ай бұрын

Yep, Dennis Rader springs to mind! He was both!

@casssmith2610

Ай бұрын

Actually makes me even less willing to believe in them… trained killers/believers that being “saved” will be their way out of sins (aka killing an old gf). I’m not a fan of military or religious.

@aldinlee8528

Ай бұрын

Was telling a friend about a decision to keep going carless, using by bike, even after the price surge has eclipsed since Covid. That it is a great relief not being a target of the city's thugs. He appeard puzzled, so I had to specify the cops/ego-junkies, to which he seem to question my terminology by saying, but those guys (cops) are usually ex-military. Though I just shrugged, so as not to inflame his politically conservative nature, I thought to myself, "That's clearly part of the problem."

@chantelletrembath3345

Ай бұрын

​@@casssmith2610hear! Hear!

The strange thing is, who else would randomly do this to the family? Robbers wouldn't waste their time with the wheelbarrow business.

@fokthewef

Ай бұрын

Hormones of 17 year olds do run wild...

@theSpiritofTamzin

Ай бұрын

Exactly...

@chrislastname1994

Ай бұрын

That's a good question but one we won't get an answer to because it seems everyone has hyper focused on 2 people.

@Yusuave

Ай бұрын

They're guilty af. I'm so glad the jury got it right.

@64endlesslove

Ай бұрын

​@@chrislastname1994focused on 2 that are constantly coming up within the investigation. I'm convinced they checked elsewhere as her own Father stated he was checked...fs you should be happy these 2 vile creatures are off the streets mate. rip Beautiful Angel 😢

I was on the edge of my seat this whole video wondering whether or not justice would be served, and I'm so glad it was

@anngitau3307

9 күн бұрын

same

@michy3075

Күн бұрын

My blood pressure is high waiting

the family just ignoring all the damning evidence is honestly sickening and insulting to the victims.

People need to stop saying.. he/ she could NEVER do something like this. If there is one thing you learn watching these crime shows it is that .. YES THEY CAN.

@TheLisclark

Ай бұрын

The only Unless I can think of is if you're the actual alibi. There have been so many cringe interviews both before and after trial of family and friends defending those with obvious evidence against them, Lori Vallow's mom and sister spring to mind.

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

everyone can.

@RM_VFX

Ай бұрын

They have to cope somehow.

@RoHa2525

29 күн бұрын

Exactly. Look at all the Chris Watts of the world.

@NotIfWhen

29 күн бұрын

@@RM_VFX I get that. But sometimes they blame the victim and everyone else. ANYTHING to not admit that their loved one is guilty. I can see saying that right away. But when all the evidence points to guilt it’s time to stop saying that.

Saying one of the suspects is an "active member of his church" certainly doesnt help his claim of innocence AT ALL!

@flawlessbylola

Ай бұрын

Exactly!!!

@TopicswithKristie

Ай бұрын

Btk was active in his church also....so yea you're so right!

@molliwilson5639

Ай бұрын

I agree

@Michigander269

Ай бұрын

Spoken like true agents of evil..but I pray for you nonetheless. For even at our worst and lowest God never gives up on any of us. He loves us unconditionally, as should we all.🙏 ❤️

@susanalexander6721

Ай бұрын

So was BTK. So was Joyce Meyer's security guard that murdered his wife and 2 children. Ted Bundy was very involved in his church, many of his friends from that church supported him at first. We could go on and on.

Before you tell someone who says they were abused that their abuser is such a good person who would never do that, understand that abusers don't abuse everyone they meet. And be grateful you never had to see that side of them.

@bonniesmith142

4 күн бұрын

After I left my abusive husband, (24 years ago), a long time friend of mine was doubtful of my experience. She said 'Well, I never saw him hit you'. Guess who is no longer a friend of mine?

Setting that poor girl on fire separately after killing her was personal. Definitely guilty

"He's kind" - So was Ted Bundy when he volunteered to work the phones at a crisis center. If acts of kindness eliminated someone as a suspect the prisons should be empty.

@user-fi3jr4th2q

Ай бұрын

And b.t.k. Too!!!

@spacemaker8760

Ай бұрын

@@user-fi3jr4th2q BTK were also in the army.. Dennis Rader served in the United States Air Force from 1966 to 1970. Four years after he was discharged he Killed 5 people during 1974. Including a 9 year old boy. Then he continued with killing 5 more until he was caught and arrested in February 2005.

@residentzero

28 күн бұрын

Hitler was vegan and loved dogs. More than humans.

@carolyndymond4065

27 күн бұрын

Yes that's true because there are lot's of people who attack others and people close to them dont know. I had a friend who I truly thought loved her husband and yet she set him and the flat on fire and those small children nearly died so we don't know people as well as we think. I think she might still be in prison I have never spoken to her since she killed him and he was a lovely guy a bit timid which made me wonder if she abused him.

@CooManTunes

24 күн бұрын

He was kind, though.

Do u know how many times I've joked about burning a house down. Never

@JMsweet_

Ай бұрын

Lmao good point

@dijanakovacevic6107

Ай бұрын

Lmao

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

Even if you havent heard (i have), how is that proof to anything? Youd have to at least see the context before you can judge it.

@viablue8143

Ай бұрын

@@Earl_WallaceBelieve it or not, there are plenty of people walking around who don’t “joke” about burning houses down. It’s not a very normal thing to do (even when nobody is watching) in most circles I’ve ever been in personally.

@texasray5237

29 күн бұрын

Where's your sense of humor?

The families of the murderers are so delusional! Especially that dad. My blood was boiling watching him act like he won the lottery when his son was initially released. And calling him “a hero that SAVES lives in war”??! Does this pathetic excuse for a man not even know what happens in a war?! Just cause he helped an injured comrade doesn’t mean he wasn’t killing other people left and right during his time served (opposition army or not it’s still people being murdered in a war). He’s delusional beyond hope. Pretty much explains the failure his son was. Thankfully the epilogue delivered us all the much wanted justice hearing that the murderers were given life without parole. It’s a shame they even got 12 years of freedom when they belonged in jail all along. The only member of their family I feel sorry for is the little baby who is so unfortunate to be born to a murderer family.

@karimanning9232

16 күн бұрын

First of all, his father believes his son is a good man because his son has not acted otherwise around him. Second it was not proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Third they should have spent more time defining the new evidence they supposedly had.

How can he hold his daughter, proudly, KNOWING what he did to someone else’s daughter?!! SICK.

@Zbee167

2 күн бұрын

I was thinking the same thing.

The way the girl was attacked was way too personal. Who else would have done it?

@Yusuave

Ай бұрын

Both their phones pinged en route to the crime & are conveniently switched off during the time of the murders. Plus the business card with his DNA on it. Yeah nah there can be only so many coincidences. They're guilty af and I'm glad the jury got it right

@chrislastname1994

Ай бұрын

​@INDOPRODIGY Everything you listed is either wrong or skewed.

@Yusuave

Ай бұрын

@@chrislastname1994 Okay, then let's hear your theory on who did it...

@chrislastname1994

Ай бұрын

@@Yusuave I don't have a theory because I didn't investigate it. But the things you listed don't even match what the prosecution said.

@Yusuave

Ай бұрын

@@chrislastname1994 well you watched the damn show and you're out here defending the perps in almost every comment so I assumed you have a theory or you're related to the perps.

I love how some people act like folks in the military don’t do bad things. They are extremely mistaken.

@nancychandler3673

Ай бұрын

Look at Jan 6 2021. Many were X Military. Stuart Rhodes of the militant group "The Oath Keepers".

@goll58

Ай бұрын

Can you direct me to that evidence as I'd like to see it. ​@@nancychandler3673

@celeste3100

27 күн бұрын

I'd hate to say this but I saw, unknowingly, this video of an Army man with a puppy held by the scruff and that monster says, "Look a puppy!" and that vile excuse of a human threw that poor baby as hard as he could into a ravine and the way that puppy was crying just traumatized me. So yes, military men can be just as heartless.

@mrsx7944

24 күн бұрын

They never said that Karen.

@poetcomic1

24 күн бұрын

Both cops and ex military men are 4 times as likely of physical abuse in the home.

Asking for Javier to have immunity is SUSPECT AF!!!!

@Donotevengotherewithme

11 күн бұрын

I thought the same thing.

This Garcia guy is shady as hell. He lawyered up, requested an immunity and his phone pinged near the house and he explained it was because he wanted to join the hike.. WTH??? This is a super complicated case. Poor people who lost all 3 of their family members.

If Robert was so gentle and sweet then why did they have to remove him from the Denny's for harassing his ex-girlfriend?

@robgau2501

Ай бұрын

There's no evidence that even happened. I'm not saying they didn't do it.

@HLBear

Ай бұрын

No - the defense attorney said they "didn't find a corroborating witness". It was a few years after the event and I'm sure most people who work at Denny's see things like that all the time, so no one working then would have a distinct memory of it. Nothing says it never happened. (Edited for a missing quotation mark.)

@theSpiritofTamzin

Ай бұрын

Excellent point...

@chrislastname1994

Ай бұрын

It could have also simply been a verbal argument and the manager told them to take it outside. That incident means nothing when one biased person provides the story with nothing to actually corroborate it.

@kitajames6029

Ай бұрын

Boy, some people clearly lack the ability to listen and comprehend.😱

The fact that she was killed by the only way she was afraid of, tells me alot!

@sonquatsch8585

Ай бұрын

that's everything i needed to know. that#s not what happens in a botched robbery.

@renayeblack5906

Ай бұрын

Yep and the 30+ stalking phone calls in one night.

@RoHa2525

29 күн бұрын

Ya that’s awful. I’m afraid that may have been her cause of death too. Like they may have lit her on fire while alive. I can’t imagine. They said they couldn’t determine it correct?

@ABC-ed8cg

28 күн бұрын

Yes and his message to Sarah about helping her to burn someone else’s house down.

@krististevens54322

28 күн бұрын

Yes! It tells EVERYTHING. Now, THAT'S absolutely SICKENING. I do NOT believe in coincidences. ONLY someone with specific knowledge and extreme, personal rage towards that person would do something that twisted. And that is 💯 premeditated.

I'm so glad that there was finally justice and that they didn't get away with it. He says i just want to be with my baby girl, well he took someone's baby girl, in a horrible way.

@RichardPlunkett-ir3un

29 күн бұрын

There was no justice here. They are innocent men in prison.

@Southamericangirl42

13 күн бұрын

Yes, eva, now he's without his baby girl. Not quite instant karma but we'll trust that Lady Justice did what she does best.

@RichardPlunkett-ir3un

12 күн бұрын

@@Southamericangirl42 what if he's actually innocent?

#1 sign of delusional liars: Brag about crowd size. “The closet room couldn’t even fit the amount of people there to support Robert” 😒

@dorindadouglas2847

29 күн бұрын

Right? Like that somehow means he's not guilty. 🙄

@stancexpunks

23 күн бұрын

🍊

Saying he was an active member in his church....is suppose to mean what? BTK was also an active member in his church.

@phongdang2874

Ай бұрын

😂😂😂 Add Timothy Jones Jr to the list.

@bernimunro1299

Ай бұрын

So darn true look at Utah just saying I watched all cases in America as I'm from Cape Town South Africa LDS Mormons GOSH!!! They are the worse cases then they say God said so poor God it's easy to blame him lol

@earthrooster1969

Ай бұрын

Our recently (in) famous Chad Daybell

@margochanning6868

Ай бұрын

The wheat and tares sit in the church together. He is definitely a tare.

@TopicswithKristie

Ай бұрын

@@earthrooster1969 exactly!!

“Active member of his church…” -every true crime show.

@Michigander269

Ай бұрын

Not many people are truly and fully evil. Even those who commit horrible crimes will turn to God for solice and redemption when there's none left for them to find on Earth. Lay your troubles at the feet of the Almighty 🙏💯❤️

@Phatse

Ай бұрын

This is part of the reason I never wanted a man who was very active in the church. These shows confirm that this is not just the scummy men I know

@katebowers8107

Ай бұрын

@@Michigander269 And yet, churchgoers routinely insist that “being a churchgoer” is evidence of goodness. History tells us otherwise. Evidence of goodness is-loving kindness, for example. Lots of churches spend a lot of time pointing at anyone who is “other” and inciting hate.

@theSpiritofTamzin

Ай бұрын

Bwahahaha, YEP!...

@mariap.9240

Ай бұрын

True! Religious people are often the worst.

It’s amazing how many families say my family member would never do this and yet they did

@joez.2794

14 күн бұрын

Why is it amazing? Think of all your family members. Now imagine people who never met them telling YOU they did this terrible thing?

I'm glad that justice has been served after a decade.

When are people going to realize that sociopaths often frequent churches and places of community service... It's because they know that people will attribute "goodness" to them just because they attend those places.

@MaxPride10

29 күн бұрын

Mostly they go to those places in search of their victims.

@AshaGlenn

29 күн бұрын

@@MaxPride10 💯💯💯

@keddy5627

28 күн бұрын

Yes it is the “Ted Bundy worked at a suicide hotline” persona! Communal narcissism at its best!

@teddyjam8134

28 күн бұрын

Exactly!

@mrsx7944

24 күн бұрын

​@@AshaGlennand how would you know? Do you attend church? Were you in the military?

These men where in their late teens when this terrible crime happened. Just because now they are married, joined the military, won medals for heroism doesn’t mean they were “good guys when in the teens. I can’t see anyone else doing something so wicked as to burn the young girl, Becky in the wheelbarrow. It’s just too personal.

@jenna-a-gogo

Ай бұрын

Yep. Even if they are overall good guys that just did something bad in the heat of the moment, they still need to pay for their crimes. Getting married and having babies doesn't absolve you of moral wrongdoing.

@pixi2209

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY.

@furball192

Ай бұрын

I think it was Javier Garcia

@Arabzene

Ай бұрын

@@jenna-a-gogo Yes, but I wouldn't say this crime was "heat of the moment"..... They took two firearms and accelerants with them, found a wheelbarrow, staged her body, etc. Cold blooded planning and carrying out this horrific crime.

@everythingisIAM

Ай бұрын

@@furball192 and Col Mustard in the library with a 40 cal?

Just want you guys to know that 48 hours is what I watch every time I'm eating my meals. So I'm always happy for a new episode, best regards

@asianleo24

7 күн бұрын

Me too I eat and turn this on my phone😂❤

Am I the only one getting Bundt vibes from Christian Smith as he walking out with the baby talking to the reporter?

@markjason5540

12 күн бұрын

Yea I just watched this and that was the first thing I thought. He didn't act right aye.

Ladies.. i know she was young.. and we aren't the brightest in our teens.. BUT once you break away for one evening to hang with a girlfriend and your bf won't stop texting you the entire night and he is stalking you at your job, etc.. RUN. These insecure controlling dudes are complete poison.

@amydrew2907

29 күн бұрын

This comment is unnecessary

@daryldixon3685

29 күн бұрын

😂 never let your gf go on a girls trip! We all know what happens when they do! It’s not insecurity or controlling to have boundaries in a relationship!

@natewexler

29 күн бұрын

@@daryldixon3685 why, what happens?

@KLee1028

29 күн бұрын

@@daryldixon3685boundaries in a relationship = calling someone repeatedly every couple of minutes when you know they are out with friends? In what world does that not point to someone being insecure and controlling? Get out of your incel discord server and stop any manifesto you may be writing and prioritize therapy. Therapy is what you should be doing right now.

@patricia-fz8et

29 күн бұрын

No, this comment is necessary....DV is taking lives every day, everywhere. Women especially are prone to give people a second chance, 'think the best of everyone' and my personal favorite....'honey, let's just meet for one more time to say good-bye and sort things out" and she is murdered. That kind of thinking can cost you your life and the lives of your children.

Christian might have saved his mate but he was killing other people at the same time. I don’t understand why people think military aren’t capable of killing others 🤔

@jenna-a-gogo

Ай бұрын

Yep. They are literally trained killers. I'm not knocking the military, because that's their job. But to say someone couldn't be a murderer because they served is an absolutely ridiculous argument.

@angel2000317

Ай бұрын

It's actually shocking if you watch/listen to enough true crime content, just how many murderers/serial killers have prior or current military experience. I keep wondering if anyone has compiled the data on that.

@456dawnie

Ай бұрын

​@angel2000317 They have. We're just not going to shown the statistics/data on it

@angel2000317

Ай бұрын

@@456dawnie Do you mean there are records that are kept from the general public?

That billboard they put up was very powerful. Such a sad story.

Just because he has a girlfriend doesn’t mean he moved on from her. An obsessive and manipulative person would not want her to be happy with someone else.

What a coincidence the ex joked about burning down someone’s house . Defense attorneys are idiots .

@leelunk8235

Ай бұрын

DEFENSE ATTORNEYS ARE THEIR JOBS, DEFEND THEIR CLIENTS, THEY GET PAID WELL FOR IT

@sonquatsch8585

Ай бұрын

and the specificity of the statement. not we'll get em or they'll get theirs, no burn down house. c'mon.

@AnimaLibera

Ай бұрын

They do what they are paid to do.

@danielboston8806

Ай бұрын

In every 48 hr episode these cruel criminals always say or do something that makes the prosecutors chuckle.

@user-df5jn2vy2t

Ай бұрын

and you are the smart one??????????????????????????

Who else WAS SO GLAD for that epilogue?

@moniaihmeita

Ай бұрын

I was, definitely. Just wish they had given more detail about the incriminating evidence.

@ceramicvases

Ай бұрын

Yes! For a second there I was heartbroken!

@danielbrofford3885

Ай бұрын

My thought when they dropped the charges was yep they got away with it then the rest came and I was glad.

@wendydebois1685

Ай бұрын

Oh man, It was so good to hear that!!😁

@user-df5jn2vy2t

Ай бұрын

prosecution won this case on very limited evidence. On a card and pinging the a phone in the desert.

Thank you 48hours for putting this full episode on

When that man was holding his newborn, he said this... "I hope life can get back to normal". An innocent man wouldn't be "hoping"... there wouldn't have been a second thought that they got it right finally!

Some of the most violent seriel killers were model citizens and family men.

@lesliewarnell5172

Ай бұрын

Yup.

@wandaervin3361

Ай бұрын

Green River killer and btk

@gussygatlin3093

Ай бұрын

Chris Watts too...

@Moonewitch

Ай бұрын

💯💯💯

@MarshasJourney

Ай бұрын

Exactly

Someone should remind those folks that Ted Bundy also saved a little boy from drowning, But also tortured & killed nearly a hundred girls including children. Oh, and i unfortunately know people who seem to be oh-so-perfect, spiritual, love animals, helpful, polite etc etc.. while they also beat up gf for 5 hours straight. Should we continue with the examples..??

@pixi2209

Ай бұрын

100% 🎯😖

@caramileelliott1719

Ай бұрын

Don’t forget Bundy, Gacy, the BTK, and so forth!! People are evil only God can save our souls when we surrender to him!

@Razormiller

Ай бұрын

Ted Bundy also worked on suicide prevention phone lines. Talkin people out of committing suicide... So yeah showing kindness/going to church/helping people doesnt mean you cant also be an evil killer. Killers can be nice guys for 95+% of their lives.. They dont act like cold hearted ruthless murderers until it suits them.

@michaelfourie345

Ай бұрын

...you need to report it to the police - and move away from monsters like that.

@Okbuuutttt

Ай бұрын

Yep. I stated that earlier too. And Ted was a good looking guy. ANYONE can snap.

Anyone noticed that when they were temporarily released from prison (36:50) they didn't look like innocents being finally released but just the opposite? Does that make them guilty? No, but it is surely striking.

@katarinamills8530

Күн бұрын

Thought the same😮

‘He’s an active member of his church’ What the hell does that have to do with anything?

I remember this story. They thought they were home free after being released, and got thrown right back in jail where they belong.

@moppy6

Ай бұрын

They looked guilty when they walked out of prison the first time

@user-mv7kh5sv9z

Ай бұрын

​@@moppy6Yup, especially the Cristin Smith guy holding the baby with his pathetic fake sobs

@pixi2209

Ай бұрын

​@@user-mv7kh5sv9zExactly... Poor actor with loud sobing. He told about his military brother... Yeh, the reason why the mur. derer should be released. 🤦🏻‍♀️🤯

@sonquatsch8585

Ай бұрын

@@user-mv7kh5sv9z and inability to look up into the cam.

@abigailh7715

Ай бұрын

They'll be freed with the Innocence Project

Narcissistic personality disorder is revenge oriented because a narc cannot take rejection & always needs to control his toys

@giorgos.triantafyllidis.

Ай бұрын

Exactly. And he thinks he owns his ex girlfriend, even if he moves on with another relationship. They view their ex, as their property. (Greetings from Greece).

@km4336

28 күн бұрын

💯

@ivydickson7596

27 күн бұрын

Coercive control and stalking. Controllers cannot let the controlled person move on without them.

@GreenClean662

25 күн бұрын

Amen!!

@janecarolbaldivia1430

25 күн бұрын

MISMO!

I did some rabbit hole research into this episode. I agree that it was a horrific crime. However, the list of "evidence" that the prosecutors presented was weak. There was one shoe print that matched "the KIND OF SHOE" they HEARD one of the guys owned. There was NO cell phone data that put them at the scene. A witness, said he overheard a 'suspicious' comment. Another witness, who seemed to know certain details, was not pursued further. Why? His father was an investigator for the DA's office and his mother was a former assemblywoman who once ran for the senate. Is there more? Most likely. But based on what I read, it did NOT sound like irrefutable evidence. Sorry, but I found reasonable doubt.

@Robert-lc6dv

13 күн бұрын

Hey now, enough with your logic. Don't you know the other commenters here watch a lot of true crime videos, so that means they know everything the TV told them was true???

@RLU-wt8vi

12 күн бұрын

@@Robert-lc6dv What was I thinking??? Thanks for straightening me out.

@angusmcpherson

9 күн бұрын

Jeremy Witt was working with Cristin Smith in 2007 and found him in a daze. Asked if he was okay, Smith replied, "Something went wrong, and we torched the f*king place." Seems pretty strong evidence to me. Then there were the recorded jailhouse phone calls in which Pape asked his wife to conceal firearms, among which was an unregistered .40 cal. Glock 22. Looks to me like these are the guys. 😮

@embeth446

3 күн бұрын

Jury took 10 days to decide this case so seems like they weren’t immediately convinced either.

18:39 i hate this excuse so so so much. why do so many people think that going to church automatically makes you a good person?

They were 17/18 years old. When I turned 25, I was a completely different person. It's called you grow up. Doesn't change the fact I was "young and stupid."

@nbaoldgirl

Ай бұрын

Preach!

@RoHa2525

29 күн бұрын

Exactly!! 7 years is a long time to realize your mistakes and learn from them. I feel like they are leading the lives they are because they regret that stupid decision when they were teens.

@KM-un8oj

29 күн бұрын

OMG...this wasn't a liquor store robbery....it was a MUCH bigger "young and stupid" than that....and if they DO regret it, they didn't regret it enough to plead guilty...a purple heart doesn't mean you're not a psychopath....psychopaths do not experience fear...they thrive in war...just sayin'...food for thought....

@laraoneal7284

29 күн бұрын

The brain isn’t even fully developed until 26 years of age. The frontal lobes needed for decision making specifically r not fully developed until 26.

@KM-un8oj

29 күн бұрын

@@laraoneal7284Wow…just…wow….

It’s so annoying to hear families say “ I know him he would not do that ……. “ . All killers have two sides . The side they show to family and friends AND THE DARK SIDE !!!!

@angieburnett4341

26 күн бұрын

I completely agree, it IS annoying!! You are spot-on with the 2 sides, this statement and it describes my ex-husband perfectly.

@joez.2794

14 күн бұрын

People who can't put themselves in the shoes of others are so annoying. We all know "someone who would not do that." Now imagine someone who never met them is confidently claiming they did do that.

This man is crazy at least his able to visit his son and his talking about his son missing the biggest life events sad that that Becky missed out on everything. Her parents visit the grave every day they will never get to meet their daughter nor grandkids 😭😭😭😭😭

Why are they just dismissing this Javier guy. I'm not convinced the boyfriend and the friend didn't do it but I'm not convinced Javier didn't do it. He seems a little sus....

It's so annoying how 'being in the military' is seen as some kind of mark of a good person. That's not what comes to mind at all.

@Rosi22229

29 күн бұрын

The opposite actually, think of vanessa Guillen. Just one example

@tesskaiser2190

29 күн бұрын

Agreed, new neighbor is military, their teens have been harassing the neighborhood doorbell ditching breaking property outside etc. When confronted, she said prove it. I'm like, my eyes. I saw them. I now have a ring camera. Aggressive weirdos. I was mislead thinking she was dignified dating a soldier. Nope

@VelveteenRabbitinRedFern

28 күн бұрын

Yeah, some are forced into the military via the courts.

@angelabacker1177

28 күн бұрын

Coming from a military family, your statement is offensive and disturbing.

@Rosi22229

28 күн бұрын

@@angelabacker1177 I'm a military family too but I have the ability to see it for what it is

I stand by soldiers however Your son took lives in Afghanistan, don't get it twisted.

@that.ll_do_pig

Ай бұрын

Yeah, the cognitive dissonance in stating that he's saving one person while he's actively shooting at others, is a bit absurd

@mariap.9240

Ай бұрын

When they say war hero, that actually means he killed before

@starzmwl9327

Ай бұрын

1000% taking lives is simply that taking lives, does not matter what soil you are on when doing such is never justified

@ezzb

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY! I'm like.. sir.. he was in Afghanistan so he doesn't take lives? killing people it's one of the reasons he was there to beginning whit

@mattmatt6572

Ай бұрын

From the picture of the two at 17 and 18 I'm going with roid rage. Most 17 18 yo I ever known not so stacked. Cept some the athletes who are taking supplements and roids. Most men would naturally start to fill out to that capacity in their mid to later 20s

Both the boys switching off their phones for 2-1/2 hours for no reason was the smoking gun.

I’m not defending them I don’t know what happened- but not one other employee, not one other witness, he was already talking to someone else. I think Becky’s friend lied: the manager in charge that night said nothing like that happened. Literally everything is hearsay. The defense attorney is right. The friends also the one saying he was calling her 30 times that night when they hung out. I don’t know man. I’m on the fence, The sister was right tho - guilty until proven innocent- everyone in the comments make that clear. “I feel he did it” blah blah blah

@firenze5555

13 күн бұрын

Not true. I just watched this 1 hour episode but it’s not like sitting inside the court room and hearing all of the evidence. I didn’t sit through the court case and hear all of the evidence. Did you? The jury deliberated for 10 days before their verdict. I accept the jury’s verdict. The 2 men can appeal.

It's always crazy how delusional families can be when it comes to their loved ones. No matter what the evidence, they refuse to believe it.

@brianamaldonado2555

Ай бұрын

I was thinking this too the whole time I was hearing the families speak so highly of them. Parents have no idea what happens outside home. These 2 monsters for sure did the crime and must do the time.

@vit3869

Ай бұрын

Baffles me too, especially parents. Maybe they think that it makes them look as horrible people to have "raised" such a monster.

@williamelliott

Ай бұрын

Parents should always say what are my kids doing instead of my kid wouldn't do that

@codyviera92

Ай бұрын

I agree, there is no evidence against those 2 guys.That family is delusional

@codyviera92

Ай бұрын

Rest in peace to the victims. Very sad case.

"My son, who is a soldier, doesn't take lives." 😬

@Lila-do6md

24 күн бұрын

The DELUSION! 😂

@Jo_Cruz

18 күн бұрын

They plant flowers...

@luvbig41

14 күн бұрын

The irony is staring him in the face.

I do think it is very suspicious that the friend was pinged near the house as well, was granted immunity and didn’t testify in front of the grand jury because dude was “a good lawyer”

@arbjful

21 күн бұрын

Yes, I have my doubts on him

@dazeyday5699

12 күн бұрын

Did you miss the part about where he was corroborated to have been elsewhere when the actual murders took place? And this was definitely a multiple person job.

Having worked in law for a long time, I have never seen such a weak case and I am shocked that the jury found them guilty.

@joez.2794

14 күн бұрын

Modern juries are terrifying. I think it's a symptom of the increased trust in authority/desire for authoritarianism ("well, if you, the highest attorney in the state, say he did it, then he probably did it").

@firenze5555

13 күн бұрын

You weren’t there in the court room and the jury deliberated for 10 days - they hardly made a snap decision.

@joez.2794

13 күн бұрын

@@firenze5555 The idea it might've taken 10 days to wear down one or more "holdouts" who wanted to get back to their families/lives doesn't exactly fill me with comfort, either.

@firenze5555

13 күн бұрын

@@joez.2794Or they wanted to make sure that they meticulously went through all the evidence before they found the two killers guilty.

@joez.2794

12 күн бұрын

@@firenze5555 That's basically what you said the first time. My point is it's not the only possibility.

He makes her pay for his bad behavior, he’s a creep and he makes her pay. A person who’s ‘moved on’ doesn’t call the ex girlfriend 50 times in one night. Witnesses in court have to swear to tell the truth or risk perjury, but lawyers and prosecutors get to lie their as- off and twist the truth - something not right about that.

@melluques8475

Ай бұрын

Exactly 🤷‍♀️🙏🏻🕊

@kimberlyhood4095

Ай бұрын

So do the cops during an interrogation, you perjure yourself and it will be used against you in a court of law.

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

Thats how the system works... Everywhere, where they have a western based system. You'd think people would know something about it by now... but obviously few do. The moved on, was 7 years later, so not relevant to the case really.

@firenze5555

13 күн бұрын

Like the way OJ moved on after his divorce from Nicole Brown Simpson? He was dating other women too.

Who jokes about burning down someone’s house?

Why would Javier ask for IMMUNITY ??????????? This is a question that MUST be answered.

@hiphopjewels

19 күн бұрын

Any lawyer who represents him should do their job and protect him before he testifies or gives a statement to law enforcement or the court. He admitted that he was originally planning to go hiking with the group, and he was on his way up there, in close proximity near the time of the murders. So, it's only natural to make sure he's protected and, as his attorney, make sure no one tries to tie him in as a potential third accomplice. He was clearly a witness, tried to be forthright and honest at the outset, and needed to make sure he wasn't going to get tied in with the killers. Clearly, the victim changed her mind and told him not to come hiking, most likely because someone convinced her that he wasn't welcome. He was only going to foil their plans.

@FunkyPhunk

19 күн бұрын

My final observation is that this was indeed psychopathy, not sociopathy. The planning was crucial to distinguish, Sociopaths are poor planners. She was even posed in front of the house.

@LisaLazuliAstrology

18 күн бұрын

Yes, these episodes only present a small subset of information and the purpose is mainly to entertain and so one should be asking these questions. What about the conflict of interests with Javier too!

@Robert-lc6dv

13 күн бұрын

Agreed. "Because I'm a good lawyer" isn't an adequate answer to that question, which makes it even weirder. Especially with Javier's ties to power in the area.

@RARochester

12 күн бұрын

@@hiphopjewels Any lawyer would have him sit in a deposition and say on his behalf "you don't have to answer that "; real easy. So ALL of your statement is common knowledge, immaterial and inconsistent. Here: If he was " clearly a witness " then why this sentence ?????? " the victim changed her mind and told him not to come hiking, most likely because someone convinced her that he wasn't welcome. He was only going to foil their plans. " How was Javier a witness if he wasn't there ????? Do you see how INCONSISTENT your argument is ?? Terrible try; your critical thinking skills leave a lot to be desired !!!!!

I thought the conclusion of this show was a little incomplete. They get released, then the rearrest and trial was covered in just a few minutes. I’d like to have a little more information about the trail.

The defense attorneys always sound like liars.

@garyolsen3409

Ай бұрын

that's because they are.

@iclite3656

Ай бұрын

😂. Did you watch the Jim Carey movie Liar Liar? The lawyer lies and so does the client

@earthrooster1969

Ай бұрын

They know it comes with their chosen territory unfortunately...

@CourtneyGilmartin

Ай бұрын

Because they are snakes

@Naturefan354

Ай бұрын

But all lawyers lie, even prosecuters

Poor thing Just 18, she wouldn’t have any idea how to deal with an abusive boyfriend

@TheStar798

Ай бұрын

Unfortunately, there's very limited defence against 'crazy' 😢

@portiawalker8334

Ай бұрын

No one does….at any age. Women who have left, stayed away, told family and friends…AND kept a paper trail with police. Still killed.

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

What do you mean, abusive???? Who said anything about abuse in the video?

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

@@portiawalker8334 Women? Men are more often abused than women... And where is the abuse in this video? It wasnt even mentioned.

@MsZoe85

Ай бұрын

@@portiawalker8334 yes that’s also sadly true I think it’s just harder to cope the younger you are But it’s not easy at any age and these ppl are vicious predators

I knew the way Christian was hugging his daughter, he was thinking: I hope no one harms her the way I harmed Becky and did you see how he did not even acknowledge Robert? Watch it again.

@arbjful

21 күн бұрын

Yeah I watched it again. He was hugging her cause she was feeling cold….i don’t know why they didn’t wrap her in warm clothes, babies need to be kept warm

@sdh4557

19 күн бұрын

I thought the same thing!

@geraldfellers5348

6 күн бұрын

And had a clear opportunity to say"I'm innocent", and never did!!!

Praise the Lord. The truth ALWAYS comes out eventually.

He saves lives in Afghanistan? That's a good joke

@Yusuave

Ай бұрын

I'm sure this psycho was also responsible for gunning down a bunch of innocent civs out there. They're both guilty af. I'm kinda surprised their conviction took so long.

@baileyarnold2020

Ай бұрын

I literally almost spit out my drink! I was like "now sir...we all know that is false" lmao

"He saves lives in Afghanistan" The world begs to differ 🙄

@hannikhadija3058

Ай бұрын

Literally… to “save” lives im sure many were lost. So, in actuality he most likely did take lives. That statement made no sense. War doesn’t discriminate.

@bryancopca8480

Ай бұрын

Have you been in Afghanistan?

@fokthewef

Ай бұрын

Yup.. traveling 15000 kilometres to a foreign country and engaging in war with the locals is criminal at best

@fokthewef

Ай бұрын

​@@bryancopca8480have you? How was it shooting at people in their own country?

@fokthewef

Ай бұрын

​​@@TheGhostOfMichaelJackson​ I respect other nation's rights to live their lives without interference from a foreign entity. Unlike you. Who gave you the rights to decide what people should do in their own country?

There really isn't enough information about the evidence in the case, but the defense lawyer is perfectly right; the case never rose to "beyond a reasonable doubt."

@LisaLazuliAstrology

18 күн бұрын

Glad to see someone here understands the actual evidence was weak.

@judgedayan9934

18 күн бұрын

@@LisaLazuliAstrology I was a judge for 18 years.

@LisaLazuliAstrology

17 күн бұрын

@@judgedayan9934 OK, that's interesting.

This is one of the most horrific crimes imaginable. My heart breaks for the families of the victims.

My mother always said "Never swear for anyone because you don't know what they are willing to do given the circumstances." A human being can be many things, you can only talk about how they treat YOU, that's it.

@eraldadevole

Ай бұрын

Not to mention how “unheard” is that unstable ppl w criminal tendencies follow certain paths or jobs

@user-xe7zc2dd2p

Ай бұрын

Exactly 💯

@laurymo2163

Ай бұрын

Words of wisdom.

@stfuplsok

Ай бұрын

@@eraldadevole *paths

@shawnadeyo

Ай бұрын

EXACTLY 💯

This happened in my town. Everyone here still believes it was the boyfriend. They had a really unhealthy and obsessive relationship.

@jmac430

Ай бұрын

The one who was found guilty or her boyfriend at the time?

@user-mv7kh5sv9z

Ай бұрын

​@@jmac430"the boyfriend" meaning the ex who is now in prison for life

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

people in love are always obsessed.

@meldog7925

Ай бұрын

I understand why they think it's the ex-boyfriend and I'm not saying it's not but what about that Javier guy? He seems suspicious. What about his father working for the police department and the ability to cover it up?. They pointed the finger right at the ex-boyfriend. There was no real evidence that the the Ex-Boyfriend and the friend went to go hiking with her

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

@@meldog7925 Thats what ive been saying too. There hardly is any evidence. 2 ppl testifying that they were there, but the pings from the 2 are at opposite sides of the city. And there is nothing puting them there. And a business card with dna on it. That doesnt do much here. Its something, but by far not enough. This case will be tossed at some point. Unless there is evidence that wasnt mentioned. They probably did it, but with the statute of reasonable doubt, i wouldnt be able to convict. And they sure should look at the Javier fella

Anyone who says because you served in the military, you are a good person needs to consider such veterans as Jeffery Dahmer, Israel Keyes, Dennis Raider, Gary Ridgeway, Sam Berkowitz...loads of murderous people do well in the military. A few of those men did very well and were respected by the people who were serving with them at the time.

I am not convinced they did it. Based on what we've seen here, how on earth was a jury convinced?

“Felt safe in the rural setting… “-90% of true crime stories.

@sheilae.9670

Ай бұрын

I know, right...smh Nowhere is safe, in my opinion. Crime can happen anywhere, unfortunately

@Poppyseed0990

Ай бұрын

“Stuff like this just doesn’t happen here” It’s kind of annoying when they say that stuff because I think these horrible things can happen anywhere and to anyone. It’s sad but I believe it to be true.

@Xx-po1fu

Ай бұрын

All it takes for a crime to occur, is the present of 2 or more people. Example the story of Cain and Abel.

@leelunk8235

Ай бұрын

PROBLEM IS, THE FAMILY FAILED TO SAFEGUARD THEIR HOME, CCTV CAMERAS/ METAL GATES, FENCING, HEAVY FIREARMS, ETC ETC, RURAL SETTING IS SAFER THAN THE CITY , FACTS

@Wft-bu5zc

Ай бұрын

@@Poppyseed0990 When you know the person, location doesn't matter at all. You already know them, it's not some stranger. This wasn't some home invasion.

Who cares if he was in the military, that means nothing when his threats of death came true

@pixi2209

Ай бұрын

Exactly.

@gertrudematilda

Ай бұрын

You are so right. Many join the military to try and escape charges.

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

He was in the military AFTER this event. They were both 18. Hadnt been in the military yet.

@PianoGesang

Ай бұрын

Oh yes it means something, or what do you think military stands for? Since when is the US Army a defense force?

@cgrnt16944

Ай бұрын

Non-violent people don't do well in the military...and he apparently did incredibly well.

My mom has always said “I only know my kids here in front of my nose” It is safe today you can know someone very well but they could always have a dark side

36:07 "legal issues had arisen". That's code for "we have no real evidence"

Both their phones pinged en route to the crime & are conveniently switched off during the time of the murders. Plus the business card with his DNA on it. Yeah nah there can be only so many coincidences. They're guilty af and I'm glad the jury got it right

Guilty as hell.

@thegoatudontknow

Ай бұрын

what proof ?

@leelunk8235

Ай бұрын

@@thegoatudontknow PLENTY OF PROOF, GLAD YOU HAVE A DESK JOB AT A MENTAL INSTITUTE

@principecaprincipeca2243

Ай бұрын

​@@thegoatudontknowwatch the program. There was plenty.

@cherylmoss3632

Ай бұрын

@@thegoatudontknow Intelligence and logic...to name just a small amount.

@Angiesensei.

Ай бұрын

@@thegoatudontknow are you the killer's wife?????

Please tell me they found some real evidence before the second trial?!!? Otherwise, the jury should be ashamed of themselves. There's no way I could say they were guilty beyond a reasonable doubt based on everything I just heard.

The friend that pointed those cops towards these two is the one I’m most suspicious of

Serving for the military doesn’t excuse him for what he did. Absolutely despicable!

@PianoGesang

Ай бұрын

In fact it's just the other way around

@bradr2142

29 күн бұрын

He Brought tremendous amount of embarrassment to the military.

@bobgillis1137

29 күн бұрын

I agree. Neither does it make you heroic. Media pushes war.

"The worst devils are sitting in the pews and standing in the pulpit." - Mama

@songforseptember4697

Ай бұрын

A to the men!!! 💯

@bdml77

Ай бұрын

Wise mama

@caramileelliott1719

Ай бұрын

Amen, sister! The devil makes a lot of people do crazy stuff. That’s why I am very careful to trust people with my kids!

@brandonm6231

Ай бұрын

This right here. Facts

@paleandbeyond

Ай бұрын

My grandfather was very high up in a local chapel. He was no murderer, but he certainly didn't take the sanctimony of marriage seriously. My mum hated that hypocrisy. Do as you will, repent afterwards! I remember hearing a woman saying in a diner to her girlfriends 'I may not lead the perfect life, but I read my bible every day'. That says it all to me!

Thank you, so much!!!

Great job on this, Troy Roberts!!! I hadn't heard about this case before.

"He's an army veteran that is active in the church" So was Dennis BTK Rader.🤦‍♂️ "Here's a picture of him saving someone's life with one hand while shooting his rifle at Afgans with the other" 🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️🤦‍♂️ What does he think the gun was firing? Hugs and Rainbows 🤦‍♂️🙄

@aubryellaotero1064

Ай бұрын

Literally that comment made my jaw drop like so he was shooting at and killing other human beings huh??? Just not Americans.

The family members of the killers make me sick. They KILLED 3 people! They don’t deserve freedom.

@junemarshall-kingsley566

Ай бұрын

At least show sorrow for what the family of the victims is going through--instead of proclaiming what saints their sons were.

@OctPSfever

Ай бұрын

Not completely understand why his friend wanted to participated in killing spree. Totally senseless and nonsense act they executed out. Killing one is already crazy yet three ppl, gosh

@ABC-ed8cg

28 күн бұрын

@OctPSfever They had to take out witnesses cos her parents knew they came to pick her up for hiking. So it’s definitely a known person to the family and they had to silence them..

@OctPSfever

28 күн бұрын

@@ABC-ed8cg I understand..I meant his friend. He got nothing to do with her except frienship. Not sure if his frienship outweighted his own sake

I cannot believe they found these guys guiltily. Not that they didn't do it. But that there was really no concrete evidence to support a conviction.

I hate defense attorneys. Defending is one thing, lying is another.

All that guy stated was he cared about “loyalty” from his people. A big problem. Their families are enablers of narcissistic men. Jury did the right thing. 💙

@Lennybird91

28 күн бұрын

Prosecutor got pressured, huh... Folks in high places. "I'm a good lawyer" 🤢🤮

@bleeknee28

24 күн бұрын

Such a scary thing that so many families do!

@Alphacentauri819

23 күн бұрын

Yeahhh, the mafia, cults, are about “loyalty”. Their definition often means to go along with very rigid rules, narratives, and they can’t see, understand, anything outside of that. They are easily threatened by the complexity of life…so their “anchors” are all trying to mitigate that

@Weezy10580

22 күн бұрын

Case was paper thin

Just because someone moved on to another relationship doesn’t mean they don’t harbor hate for the ex. A ridiculous thing to say by the attorney for Pape. Some people just can’t stand to lose and don’t even feel bad about killing someone. It’s about power and control.

@victoriavancartier7379

Ай бұрын

Exactly. O.J.

@StofStuiver

Ай бұрын

He didnt. It happened when they were 18. They were not married, not in military and not valued members of the church.

@dianas170

Ай бұрын

Exactly just watched a case where the ex wife and her new boyfriend killed the ex husband and the new wife… so yea that comment was ridiculous

@ABC-ed8cg

28 күн бұрын

Yes! Possessive ppl don’t take well to breakups. And if they issue death threats, one has to take them seriously because they usually see it through! It’s always the jilted crazy & possessive ex-partner. His message to Sarah about burning someone’s house down is also damning. Nobody makes that comment in jest! It speaks to the depth of his mind.

@StofStuiver

28 күн бұрын

@@ABC-ed8cg What a load of nonsense

Thank you. Should have watched to the end.